Also, that was part of the old death customs, etc. In those days it was not unusual to clip a lock of hair, or take some other keepsake from the body.
Chicago won't commemorate a plaque where John died because they use to steal from the federal reserve, and banks. The cause of the depression. So in a way he was sticking it to the man. And people respected that. Of course Washington didn't want people to get hip to this and overthrow the power of the banking system so they had to stop John and the gang. No way do they want to celebrate John Dillinger. They'd rather have it forgotten forever.
Thank you for commenting. Would you believe that your comment was flagged as spam? I wonder if Chicago didn't appreciate your comment and tried to suppress the remark?
@ipfeldspar Very interesting. I wonder how that would be spam? And whom would do that? I know there are families hurt by Dillinger and the gang to this day and that is bad they lost family in the war of depression, but there was and still is a much bigger picture.
When I went to answer your response, it had gone back to spam mode. I hit a little button; "Not Spam," and hope that it won't happen again. Can anybody mark a comment as spam, or is it some weird part of YouTubes server?
@ipfeldspar I'm not sure.. Haha. Have to google it. Might get a biased answer though. Nothing against Chicago of course. Chicago is a great city. Chicago was just participating with the lawmakers.
@ipfeldspar Yeah well you know chicago, they won't even put a plauqe near the spot he died because its 'to violent to commemorate". All they care about in that city is money history means nothing to them.
For years they tried to keep movie makers out. The fear was that Chicago would be tarnished by Hollywood making crime movies. Well, truth is stranger than fiction....
@ipfeldspar There ridiculous in that city. no offence if you live there of course but there just a little to liberal for my taste. One thing they have to learn is that history no matter how violent or how peaceful is a part of out heritage and shouldn't be forgotton just becuase it doesn't fit in with their agenda.
I grew up in Chicago and lived near the Biograph and was always told that he was shot by that first telephone pole...not the second one shown here in this video...my folks are German/ Romanian and we were raised on the North Side and lived on Fullerton...my grandparents lived in East Chicago Indiana and my mother was in the dentist office above Reilly's First National Bank when the Dillinger gang robbed it, they shot out JJ Newberry's window and killed the bank guard...
There have been quite a few comments as to the exact location of the shooting. I willingly concede that I could have got it wrong. I think your family story is great. Talk about something you can live to tell your grandchildren!
there really aught to be a monuement or plaque of some type honoring him. i live in fact i go to the same field Pretty Boy Floyd was killed in on a regular basis and theres a monument
For people who have said "I know someone who is related to Dillinger or He would have been my uncle" blah blah blah more, seriously, if u really think that, then you would have known more....Try looking up Billie, his "love" and read more about her. I would know because she is my great grandmother's friend. Since Billies name is actually Evelyn, she was in jail when Dillinger was shot IN THE ALLEYWAY by the theater. Seriously people, don't assume, look it up
I've seen three different Dillinger flicks, and each one has the death scene/spot slightly off. For my video, I went by what an old-timer showed me (that was in 1984, and he had been there after it happened). One of the commenter's had a old newsreel posted that showed a blood stain much closer to the mouth of the alley. In any case, the alley is where it likely happened.
@TanteBef You can't believe everything The informant had shown the hiding police that Dillinger had arrived. The Police opened fire on him. He ran into an alley were he was shot.
Yup, I heard that also. In the old days, it was not unusual to retrieve a lock of hair from a loved one's body. I think a dab of blood is taking that sentiment just a little too far.......
@MarquisChantdamour That is true. My neighbors father had a hankerchief in a Frame.
He never ran like this guy said, he was shot withought ever resisting! He was set up by a Cop in Whiting Indiana who liked Anna Sage and had a reson to set him up. It backfired, because Chicago PD and FBI road him out on a rail for an Ambush! And Anna Sage was a Prostitute from a Gary, but her friend was also with. No Red Dress either, it was orange.
@RJBFIRECHIEF1 I have a great book about dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde: The Dillinger Days
(ISBN: 0306806266 / 0-306-80626-6 )
John Toland 5$ in abebooks.com There are written in that book a lot of facts about Dillinger´s raids. For example the scene of the bank robbery with hostages is very well captured in ¨Public enemies¨ . And yes, the lady was ¨the lady in (half, only the skirt) orange not the woman in red.
As a chicagoan..... Former Mayor Richard R. Daley had almost ever part of the city relating to chicago's early crime years torn down. Thus, why the orignal building where the saint valentine's day massacre took place was torn down. Former Mayor Daley did not want to have any association to the early crimes years. His son and almost former Mayor Richard M. Daley also follows in his father's footsteps to keep crime and chicago seperate.
However, As a chicagoan..we all know that will never happen.
I remember that some guy bought the "bullet wall" from the St Valentine's Massacre. I think it was taken out of state and reassembled in a restaurant. It was nothing but bad luck, it got dismantles and auctioned off.
@ipfeldspar I think that it ended up in Vancouver B.C for a while, not sure what happened to it since. There was something related to Al Capone that was bought by Pablo Escobar, the Columbian druglord, I think it was one of the cars from the garage.
@RudyWannabe101 WHAT A DICK! That's like blowing up Yosemite or the Empire State Building. We need those kinds of places because people need to remember what kinds of things happened in America.
@RudyWannabe101 Probably because the Daley's are basically Irish gangsters and the St. Valentine's massacre was where Al Capone's thugs (Italian Gangsters) ambushed and killed several members of the O'Bannion gang (Irish Gangsters) in that garage.
yes its oaktown, ill let you take a guess at the state :P story gose that he use to visit his old teacher from school down there or something along that line,.. one of my family members use to stay up all night with a gun in his hand when word came to town that he was there.
Inside story im sure most of you would not know, he use to visit his teacher in oaktown, story has it that my grandmas dad use to sit on the front porch of a night when he came into town, alot more gose into this but perhaps some other time :)
Speaking of superstitious, Keanu Reeves turned down the 2006 superman part because of his last name. Look what happened to the last two actors with the same last name.
In the JD interview, Deep claimed he did not feel he would like the way he turned out on screen. You can find the interview. It was on youtube with David Letterman.
ipfeldspar-I recently viewed JD on youtube saying he never watched this movie when he finished it. He said he doesn't like to watch himself. I currently live a short distance from his old house in Miramar Florida.
That's pretty wild! I would have thought he'd view the movie just to see how all the effects (the historic look) turned out. On the other hand, these creative types can be superstitious. Maybe he doesn't want to look at it because it makes him get too self conscious? Or maybe he is just too cheap to buy the ticket! Thgank- you for watching and posting. The info is interesting!
shangab11 and slobbaknocka stop being pussies playing that role of being good, you're not good, stop saying oh yeah he did a lot of bad things, bullshit, john dillinger is a HERO, nothing else assholes.
I see many people here describe or remember Johny as a HERO!
Hey wake up, this is the director and Hollywood who did this.
He was a criminal son of a gun.
But I confess that they had chosen a fabulous music piece, when he was walking out of the theater, and the last words "ba...ba...ba" which were then translated into dramatic statement "Bye Bye Blackbird". But Johny was merciless criminal if you did not see the movie and just read his story in the FBI reports you would have hated him.
@shangab11He was respected because some of the things he managed to pull of were genius and remarkable, he did things that no one will ever be able to do again, people didn't respect him for the people he killed, but for what he did.
He did indeed care what the public thought about him and wanted it to be in a positive way, I have family that was alive during his time and they can admit that they and most citizens respected him.
@shangab11 i loved him any way i read alot a books that were written about him. and i was always into the real john dillinger and than i saw the movie and i loved it and they did prove in fact that the real john dillingers last words were "tell billie for me, bye bye blackbird" his own nephew had talk to one of the witness of his death she said he died fast but was able to get that out
@shangab11 guess what the man who orginized the whole fuckin thing fromthe gecko was a closet trannie who like 2 wear womens clothing and he said the mafia dinint exsist beecause if he fucked with the mob they would expose him u are a dumb retard who dosent know jack shit only thing uv read about dillinger was on the fuckin internet thinkin its the truth and what the F.B.I says
It's located at 2433 North Lincoln Avenue. This would be just north of Fullerton. It's a very busy neighborhood with a lot of foot traffic. It doesn't seem very hard to imagine it as it was during the old days.........
I'm having a heck of a time trying to find the location of John W Dillinger's home in Mooresville. Does anyone have any addresses etc? I'm trying to write a book and not having much luck. Thanks!
im mad watch the moive i wish the jhon could have lived out his life or the cops could of shot him in the leg or arm and took him in and that im mad the cop that beat jhon girlfriend isnt dead jhon should have killed that peice of trash I WISH JHON DILINGER WAS STILL ALIVE AND FOR THAT I WILL ALWAYS BE SAD
I've seen conflicting information on Anna Sage after the Dillinger killing. Most sources seem to indicate that she was deported, and that "she was never heard from again." A few other sources state she died in Eastern Europe in the late 1940's. I would like to see more research on her as her background might suggest what her motivations were during her Dillinger days.
I think that is only part of it. She was actively negotiating to get her immigrant status changed. She also may have wanted to cash in on the notoriety of being "Dillinger's woman. She could have easily disappeared before any of this went down. Also, if she was subject to fear, then why did she even begin to hang around Dillinger? My best guess is that she was a sociopath who would use anyone to get her own way (stated seventy years later without any real evidence).
Well, I think all law enforcement acts in that manner. It still freaks me that cops are allowed to "lie." I like your word, manipulation, as this was a huge part of John Dillinger's, and Anna Sage's life. Both were manipulated, and then manipulated others. I still think that there is a missing piece with Anna Sage, and that by learning more about here, we can get a better picture of those last couple of hours of John Dillinger's life.
@Tomken8d2 Yes. Although Melvin Purvis (Christian Bale) tried to keep Anna Sage from being deported, it was out of his jurisdiction and the Immigration and Naturalization Service continued with the deportation proceedings. On April 15, 1936, Anna was deported back to Romania for being considered an "alien of low moral character". -PBS
Thank-you for the specifics. I probably will never know what Anna Sage's motivation was. It could have been self preservation, money, or the need to prevent deportation. I personally tend to think that she got into a very bad group of people and her motivation was combination of many factors, and the motivations probably all conflicted with each other. Considering the life she led, and whom she associated with, she probably thought her decision was rational.
@ipfeldspar Yes. Although Melvin Purvis (Christian Bale) tried to keep Anna Sage from being deported, it was out of his jurisdiction and the Immigration and Naturalization Service continued with the deportation proceedings. On April 15, 1936, Anna was deported back to Romania for being considered an "alien of low moral character". -PBS
You have to remember this was 1934. Before Miranda and modern suspect rights. The FBI was brand new and needed a win. FBI head J.Edgar Hoover placed a "shoot on site" order on Dillinger and several others. Bonnie and Clyde died in an ambush even more violent. It was just the era.
I have to wonder how many problem criminals just "disappeared" in those days. It would have been so much easier, for the local law, to simply eliminate a bad guy. Maybe we have so many bad guys now because law enforcement is no longer motivated to commit street justice.
The FBI had missed Dillinger at the infamous"Little Bohemia" raid but managed to shoot some locals. They were under enormous pressure to get Dillinger and I think they were resolved to use any and all means to bring him down. As Dillinger was not likely to turn himself in, he too must have realized his ultimate destiny.
@ipfeldspar i agree. i think he knew it was coming. the funny thing is that the last movie he saw before he died was "Manhattan Melodrama" with Clark Gable, William Powell and Myrna Loy. lol... have u actually seen that movie? right before he died he must have been worried anyway after seeing a show like that. he must've thought about Billie, his childhood, the end and everything in the theater. he wouldda been better off seeing Shirley Temple that night...lol
They could have got him in a number of different ways. The deciding factor was the pressure law enforcement was under to bring him down. Killing him presented the least risk to the law involved. Letting him live opened the possibility of cops/citizens getting zapped.
reminds me of the "Dakota building" in NYC where Lennon was shot dead, how theres no sign marking the spot but people who live there all know where it was.
The Dakota probably wants to stay away from that reminder. That is private property compared to Chicago's deliberate ignoring of the mob wars. For years Chicago has tried to stay away from that "taint." The irony is that Dillinger didn't do much crime in Chicago and he was just trying to hide out.
The location of his shooting and falling down is not down the alley as you say and show in the video. It was just at the entrance to the alley. It is clearly shown on the FBI website documents, and as well in several of the videos here on youtube. However, you do state correctly in your above summary. Interesting studying about "Public Enemy #1".
Chicago (officially) has always tried to ignore that era of crime. It is very unlikely that they would even consider a plaque. In that neighborhood, the Dillinger shooting is notorious and the folks there are always glad to point out the spot.
@ocarlson007 See my collection of original Dillinger related newspaperson by going to facebook and typing into the search John Dillinger Gangster Newspapers
He wasn't in the alley, he was right there on the corner, facing alley. I have a pic of the blood spot. Bank robber or not, I feel bad for the guy. And it is still debatable whether he actually killed that cop or not. Some reports say he was seen in FL the day before, and that some of his gang did the bank job where the cop was killed, but John was arrested in Tuscon with some of the money from that job, so it was pinned on him. I'm not sure which to believe, but maybe it wasn't John anyway.
He wasn't running away, he took two steps but couldn't get his .38 out of his pocket, he was shot twice in the chest, and then turned and took a fatal shot to the back of the skull. Dillinger doesn't "flee."
@ipfeldspar awesome movie you should try to get the city to put a memorial for the guy he mattered to his sonless father and girlfriend even if he was "bad" you have to feel sorry for him, and the others who miss him and still miss him his girlfriend is still alive
@spiritmartyr009 out of all his robberies he only killed 1 person. which was cop and he went to shoot him in the foot because the cop shot him in a bulletproof vest but the cop ducked and dillenger shot him in the head on accident. the guns they brought only for fear. baby face nelson killed everything he saw. my hat is off to who killed baby face. not dillenger, dillenger was amazing
the enquirer magazine said he didnt die there, in fact he died when a fat lady rolled over on top of him in a motel 6. they didnt leave the light on for him when he got in bed. lol
this is kewl. i am actully doing a project in history about Dillinger its nice to actully know where he had died. in my project it just says that he walked out and got shout.
now i know he ran down the alley and got shot probally somewhere in the back.
I was told by a my girlfriend's dad who is a Chicago police detective that he thinks that the Chicago police and FBI agents pursuing Dillenger shot him cause they didnt want him to get to far in that alley not because he drew his weapon.W hen you think about it it makes sense.....if he had have been able to get just a few more seconds he could have drew his gun and fired behind him as he ran keeping them pinned down around the sidewalk long enough for him to clear the alley and escape.
@DONTCKLICKMYNAME yeah, thats sad for you, you guys are so racist that you are not even able to recognize a great artist when you see one. The only good thing is that, at least, people care a million time more about him than about you.
im From Lima,Ohio To This Day a Buch Of Places here Still Have Up His Wanted Poster Including The Sheriff's Office And The Cop he Killed Here Has a Plaque and A in Memory Photo Up In a Glass Showcase
There are quite a few people who feel that this was a deliberate "execution", rather than an arrest. On the other hand no one wanted to take any chances going up against Dillinger. I personally think the authorities planned in advance to give Dillinger about one second to surrender, then they would blast him.
Might also be because he and gang shot first and asked questions later, had already killed, and were known to be armed with a variety of firearms at all times. Also, 3 FBI had been killed in efforts to bag he and gang (it didn't matter that "Nelson" did the actual shooting). Also, there had been no evidence that any of these guys had plans to be taken alive. Witnesses said he reached in his pocket that night and a pistol was recovered off his body (pistol in FBI museum in D.C.).
@TheGodParticle The wound that killed Dillinger entered the back of his head, passed through the brain at a downward angle, and exited through his right cheek, yes.
he was shot in the alley, used to spend my misspent youth at Wax Trax Records bout 5 doors down from the Biograph, spent some time drinkin beer in that alley...
I wonder if it's the same width and basic lay-out now as it was then. It looks very similar from photos. I wonder if the little doorway nook that Purvis was waiting in is still there. The vid shows a doorway or two on the way to the alley but I wonder if those doorways and what-not are the same as they were in 1934! Looks very similar. Fittingly, since so much time has passed, it all looks a little smaller, esp. the Biograph, from what you might think.
lesson to be leaned here,if your going to rob banks and be a gangster ,never let your guard down for a second and keep some heavy back up buddies around watching your back and never, never trust a woman never,they bring much trouble.
john died on the sidewalk and smiled and walked when he saw the men my great grandad was there and told me about it
ww2guy100 2 weeks ago
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Alesha279 3 weeks ago
Can someone please tell me why men and women were putting theyre hankercheifs and skirts in his blood? :s
TheRandomVloggger 3 weeks ago
@TheRandomVloggger because he was famous and people wanted souvingers of him..weird but he was well know and almost a celebrity
devilrobbie25 2 weeks ago
Also, that was part of the old death customs, etc. In those days it was not unusual to clip a lock of hair, or take some other keepsake from the body.
ipfeldspar 1 week ago
Chicago won't commemorate a plaque where John died because they use to steal from the federal reserve, and banks. The cause of the depression. So in a way he was sticking it to the man. And people respected that. Of course Washington didn't want people to get hip to this and overthrow the power of the banking system so they had to stop John and the gang. No way do they want to celebrate John Dillinger. They'd rather have it forgotten forever.
oftennoother 1 month ago
Thank you for commenting. Would you believe that your comment was flagged as spam? I wonder if Chicago didn't appreciate your comment and tried to suppress the remark?
ipfeldspar 1 month ago
@ipfeldspar Very interesting. I wonder how that would be spam? And whom would do that? I know there are families hurt by Dillinger and the gang to this day and that is bad they lost family in the war of depression, but there was and still is a much bigger picture.
oftennoother 1 month ago
When I went to answer your response, it had gone back to spam mode. I hit a little button; "Not Spam," and hope that it won't happen again. Can anybody mark a comment as spam, or is it some weird part of YouTubes server?
ipfeldspar 4 weeks ago
@ipfeldspar I'm not sure.. Haha. Have to google it. Might get a biased answer though. Nothing against Chicago of course. Chicago is a great city. Chicago was just participating with the lawmakers.
oftennoother 4 weeks ago
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oftennoother 1 month ago
Looked like a masonic type building across the street.
oftennoother 1 month ago
One of those buildings was another theater but it is a smaller structure.
ipfeldspar 1 month ago
Nice job.
Exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for posting this.
HISTORYBUFFPA 1 month ago
i wish they would turn the bigraph back into a movie theatre.
MUSICALGUNNUT45 4 months ago
Agreed! And every August they can run Manhatten Melodrama. I think the "stage" playhouse is just one of way too many of its type. Just sayin........
ipfeldspar 4 months ago
@ipfeldspar Yeah well you know chicago, they won't even put a plauqe near the spot he died because its 'to violent to commemorate". All they care about in that city is money history means nothing to them.
MUSICALGUNNUT45 4 months ago
For years they tried to keep movie makers out. The fear was that Chicago would be tarnished by Hollywood making crime movies. Well, truth is stranger than fiction....
ipfeldspar 3 months ago
@ipfeldspar There ridiculous in that city. no offence if you live there of course but there just a little to liberal for my taste. One thing they have to learn is that history no matter how violent or how peaceful is a part of out heritage and shouldn't be forgotton just becuase it doesn't fit in with their agenda.
MUSICALGUNNUT45 3 months ago
Yup, I agree. A lot of style over substance. Luckily, I'm a suburbanite.....
ipfeldspar 3 months ago
I grew up in Chicago and lived near the Biograph and was always told that he was shot by that first telephone pole...not the second one shown here in this video...my folks are German/ Romanian and we were raised on the North Side and lived on Fullerton...my grandparents lived in East Chicago Indiana and my mother was in the dentist office above Reilly's First National Bank when the Dillinger gang robbed it, they shot out JJ Newberry's window and killed the bank guard...
herrveidt 5 months ago
There have been quite a few comments as to the exact location of the shooting. I willingly concede that I could have got it wrong. I think your family story is great. Talk about something you can live to tell your grandchildren!
Thank-you for sharing.
ipfeldspar 5 months ago
there really aught to be a monuement or plaque of some type honoring him. i live in fact i go to the same field Pretty Boy Floyd was killed in on a regular basis and theres a monument
gunny426plymouth 6 months ago
For people who have said "I know someone who is related to Dillinger or He would have been my uncle" blah blah blah more, seriously, if u really think that, then you would have known more....Try looking up Billie, his "love" and read more about her. I would know because she is my great grandmother's friend. Since Billies name is actually Evelyn, she was in jail when Dillinger was shot IN THE ALLEYWAY by the theater. Seriously people, don't assume, look it up
puddunold1 7 months ago
in the movie he died right in front of the movie theater...
TanteBef 7 months ago
I've seen three different Dillinger flicks, and each one has the death scene/spot slightly off. For my video, I went by what an old-timer showed me (that was in 1984, and he had been there after it happened). One of the commenter's had a old newsreel posted that showed a blood stain much closer to the mouth of the alley. In any case, the alley is where it likely happened.
ipfeldspar 7 months ago
@TanteBef Nope, In the alley way by the theater
puddunold1 7 months ago
@TanteBef You can't believe everything The informant had shown the hiding police that Dillinger had arrived. The Police opened fire on him. He ran into an alley were he was shot.
Hikarilover123 6 months ago
A retired cop said that some men and women stained their handkerchief, shawl, even ladie´s parts of lingerie on dilinger´s blood. Disgusting!
MarquisChantdamour 8 months ago
Yup, I heard that also. In the old days, it was not unusual to retrieve a lock of hair from a loved one's body. I think a dab of blood is taking that sentiment just a little too far.......
ipfeldspar 7 months ago
@MarquisChantdamour That is true. My neighbors father had a hankerchief in a Frame.
He never ran like this guy said, he was shot withought ever resisting! He was set up by a Cop in Whiting Indiana who liked Anna Sage and had a reson to set him up. It backfired, because Chicago PD and FBI road him out on a rail for an Ambush! And Anna Sage was a Prostitute from a Gary, but her friend was also with. No Red Dress either, it was orange.
RJBFIRECHIEF1 7 months ago
@RJBFIRECHIEF1 I have a great book about dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde: The Dillinger Days
(ISBN: 0306806266 / 0-306-80626-6 )
John Toland 5$ in abebooks.com There are written in that book a lot of facts about Dillinger´s raids. For example the scene of the bank robbery with hostages is very well captured in ¨Public enemies¨ . And yes, the lady was ¨the lady in (half, only the skirt) orange not the woman in red.
MarquisChantdamour 7 months ago
@MarquisChantdamour They did that for souveneir sake I think.
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
@MarquisChantdamour ya they did anything to get a part of him because it was "cool" and made lot of money.
yogologo77 5 months ago
@yogologo77 and to make sure no one els stole anything his dad had cement poured on his coffin in the graveyard
yogologo77 5 months ago
As a chicagoan..... Former Mayor Richard R. Daley had almost ever part of the city relating to chicago's early crime years torn down. Thus, why the orignal building where the saint valentine's day massacre took place was torn down. Former Mayor Daley did not want to have any association to the early crimes years. His son and almost former Mayor Richard M. Daley also follows in his father's footsteps to keep crime and chicago seperate.
However, As a chicagoan..we all know that will never happen.
RudyWannabe101 8 months ago
I remember that some guy bought the "bullet wall" from the St Valentine's Massacre. I think it was taken out of state and reassembled in a restaurant. It was nothing but bad luck, it got dismantles and auctioned off.
ipfeldspar 8 months ago
@ipfeldspar I think that it ended up in Vancouver B.C for a while, not sure what happened to it since. There was something related to Al Capone that was bought by Pablo Escobar, the Columbian druglord, I think it was one of the cars from the garage.
OlegKostoglatov 4 months ago
I read a mention of it in a haunted house book. The story was that anyone who came in contact with the wall had bad fortune.
ipfeldspar 4 months ago
@RudyWannabe101 WHAT A DICK! That's like blowing up Yosemite or the Empire State Building. We need those kinds of places because people need to remember what kinds of things happened in America.
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
Legend has it that the wall was cursed and brought bad luck to anyone who owned it.
ipfeldspar 7 months ago
@ipfeldspar spam
ticklemestudios 6 months ago
@RudyWannabe101 Probably because the Daley's are basically Irish gangsters and the St. Valentine's massacre was where Al Capone's thugs (Italian Gangsters) ambushed and killed several members of the O'Bannion gang (Irish Gangsters) in that garage.
OlegKostoglatov 4 months ago
yes its oaktown, ill let you take a guess at the state :P story gose that he use to visit his old teacher from school down there or something along that line,.. one of my family members use to stay up all night with a gun in his hand when word came to town that he was there.
Truetone30 9 months ago
Inside story im sure most of you would not know, he use to visit his teacher in oaktown, story has it that my grandmas dad use to sit on the front porch of a night when he came into town, alot more gose into this but perhaps some other time :)
Truetone30 9 months ago
Oaktown? Where is that? Indiana. I'm not questioning the story, I just want to be sure its not a typo for "oldtown."
ipfeldspar 9 months ago
Very nice video. I only wished that the state would erect a marker showing the spot where he died and detailing the story behind his death.
huskyjerk 9 months ago
Dillinger probably had more class than some of the people who got expressways named after them, sooo.........
ipfeldspar 9 months ago
grazie per il servizio,onore a john dillinger!!!
alexsnowblind 11 months ago
Speaking of superstitious, Keanu Reeves turned down the 2006 superman part because of his last name. Look what happened to the last two actors with the same last name.
In the JD interview, Deep claimed he did not feel he would like the way he turned out on screen. You can find the interview. It was on youtube with David Letterman.
liondoghound 11 months ago
I guess George Reeves ended up a lot like Melvin Purvis.
ipfeldspar 11 months ago
ipfeldspar-I recently viewed JD on youtube saying he never watched this movie when he finished it. He said he doesn't like to watch himself. I currently live a short distance from his old house in Miramar Florida.
liondoghound 11 months ago
That's pretty wild! I would have thought he'd view the movie just to see how all the effects (the historic look) turned out. On the other hand, these creative types can be superstitious. Maybe he doesn't want to look at it because it makes him get too self conscious? Or maybe he is just too cheap to buy the ticket! Thgank- you for watching and posting. The info is interesting!
ipfeldspar 11 months ago
Is that the filming location of the latest Michael Mann film?
liondoghound 11 months ago
"Public Enemies" was filmed there. They used a slightly higher production value than myself....
ipfeldspar 11 months ago
shangab11 and slobbaknocka stop being pussies playing that role of being good, you're not good, stop saying oh yeah he did a lot of bad things, bullshit, john dillinger is a HERO, nothing else assholes.
vampireinlove100 1 year ago
john has style but that doesnt change the fact that he killed alot of people and just becuase he robbed banks and stole money doesnt change thast
slobbaknocka 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@slobbaknocka him self didnt kill any one i believe his friends did
airsoftrules987 1 year ago
Thanks ipfeldspar.... I'll check it out...
tugdaddy22 1 year ago
Thanks ipfeldspar.... I'll check it out...
tugdaddy22 1 year ago
I see many people here describe or remember Johny as a HERO!
Hey wake up, this is the director and Hollywood who did this.
He was a criminal son of a gun.
But I confess that they had chosen a fabulous music piece, when he was walking out of the theater, and the last words "ba...ba...ba" which were then translated into dramatic statement "Bye Bye Blackbird". But Johny was merciless criminal if you did not see the movie and just read his story in the FBI reports you would have hated him.
shangab11 1 year ago
@shangab11He was respected because some of the things he managed to pull of were genius and remarkable, he did things that no one will ever be able to do again, people didn't respect him for the people he killed, but for what he did.
He did indeed care what the public thought about him and wanted it to be in a positive way, I have family that was alive during his time and they can admit that they and most citizens respected him.
FBI reports will obviously make him look bad
bobbyjoelevron 1 year ago
@shangab11 i loved him any way i read alot a books that were written about him. and i was always into the real john dillinger and than i saw the movie and i loved it and they did prove in fact that the real john dillingers last words were "tell billie for me, bye bye blackbird" his own nephew had talk to one of the witness of his death she said he died fast but was able to get that out
TheTest4ever 1 year ago
@shangab11 guess what the man who orginized the whole fuckin thing fromthe gecko was a closet trannie who like 2 wear womens clothing and he said the mafia dinint exsist beecause if he fucked with the mob they would expose him u are a dumb retard who dosent know jack shit only thing uv read about dillinger was on the fuckin internet thinkin its the truth and what the F.B.I says
skaterboyask 10 months ago
P.s. If I can get the location, I'll video tape the area and post it here....
tugdaddy22 1 year ago
It's located at 2433 North Lincoln Avenue. This would be just north of Fullerton. It's a very busy neighborhood with a lot of foot traffic. It doesn't seem very hard to imagine it as it was during the old days.........
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
I'm having a heck of a time trying to find the location of John W Dillinger's home in Mooresville. Does anyone have any addresses etc? I'm trying to write a book and not having much luck. Thanks!
tugdaddy22 1 year ago
I can't help you with specifics but I'm pretty sure that there is a historical society there and even maybe, a Dillinger museum.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
nice video
Diabolical05 1 year ago
im mad watch the moive i wish the jhon could have lived out his life or the cops could of shot him in the leg or arm and took him in and that im mad the cop that beat jhon girlfriend isnt dead jhon should have killed that peice of trash I WISH JHON DILINGER WAS STILL ALIVE AND FOR THAT I WILL ALWAYS BE SAD
MrEclipsefreak21 1 year ago
The "Lady in Red" was threatened with deportation if she didn't
go to the movie with him.
He was unarmed.
You don't go on a date "Packing a rod."
Tomken8d2 1 year ago
I've seen conflicting information on Anna Sage after the Dillinger killing. Most sources seem to indicate that she was deported, and that "she was never heard from again." A few other sources state she died in Eastern Europe in the late 1940's. I would like to see more research on her as her background might suggest what her motivations were during her Dillinger days.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
@ipfeldspar
Her motivation? Fear.
Tomken8d2 1 year ago
I think that is only part of it. She was actively negotiating to get her immigrant status changed. She also may have wanted to cash in on the notoriety of being "Dillinger's woman. She could have easily disappeared before any of this went down. Also, if she was subject to fear, then why did she even begin to hang around Dillinger? My best guess is that she was a sociopath who would use anyone to get her own way (stated seventy years later without any real evidence).
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
@ipfeldspar
The FBI is also very manipulative, devious and amoral.
Tomken8d2 1 year ago
Well, I think all law enforcement acts in that manner. It still freaks me that cops are allowed to "lie." I like your word, manipulation, as this was a huge part of John Dillinger's, and Anna Sage's life. Both were manipulated, and then manipulated others. I still think that there is a missing piece with Anna Sage, and that by learning more about here, we can get a better picture of those last couple of hours of John Dillinger's life.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
@Tomken8d2
Dillinger was cunning.
He might have felt the trap being set but
was just tired of it all.
They made sure he was unarmed though.
Then they dropped a piece on him.
Otherwise he would have take at least one of
those glorified lawyers with him.
Tomken8d2 1 year ago
@Tomken8d2 YOU REAL DUMB
99681655 1 year ago
@99681655
ME NO DUMB. ME HAVE INTELLIGENT DIALOG
YOU DUMB
Tomken8d2 1 year ago
@Tomken8d2 YOU TALK YOURSELF SO DUMB OR INTELLIGENTE
99681655 1 year ago
@99681655
You no speak English good
Tomken8d2 1 year ago
@Tomken8d2 YES ITS JUST MY BAD OK SO IM SORRY
99681655 1 year ago
@Tomken8d2 Yes. Although Melvin Purvis (Christian Bale) tried to keep Anna Sage from being deported, it was out of his jurisdiction and the Immigration and Naturalization Service continued with the deportation proceedings. On April 15, 1936, Anna was deported back to Romania for being considered an "alien of low moral character". -PBS
shangab11 1 year ago
@shangab11
The FBI used her to set him up.
They knew he was unarmed.
Then they dropped a piece on him.
THEY should have been deported.
Or hanged for cowardice.
Tomken8d2 1 year ago
Thank-you for the specifics. I probably will never know what Anna Sage's motivation was. It could have been self preservation, money, or the need to prevent deportation. I personally tend to think that she got into a very bad group of people and her motivation was combination of many factors, and the motivations probably all conflicted with each other. Considering the life she led, and whom she associated with, she probably thought her decision was rational.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
@ipfeldspar
Hey man, check this link for the real trace of all the characters in public enemies:
shangab11 1 year ago
@ipfeldspar Yes. Although Melvin Purvis (Christian Bale) tried to keep Anna Sage from being deported, it was out of his jurisdiction and the Immigration and Naturalization Service continued with the deportation proceedings. On April 15, 1936, Anna was deported back to Romania for being considered an "alien of low moral character". -PBS
shangab11 1 year ago
You went to far, it was right on the corner of that alley.
NRC4486 1 year ago
You have to remember this was 1934. Before Miranda and modern suspect rights. The FBI was brand new and needed a win. FBI head J.Edgar Hoover placed a "shoot on site" order on Dillinger and several others. Bonnie and Clyde died in an ambush even more violent. It was just the era.
doug12361 1 year ago
I have to wonder how many problem criminals just "disappeared" in those days. It would have been so much easier, for the local law, to simply eliminate a bad guy. Maybe we have so many bad guys now because law enforcement is no longer motivated to commit street justice.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
looks like somebody had a fight with a kebab last night in that alley , chilli sauce everywhere
MrFamilyguy777 1 year ago
@MrFamilyguy777 love chilly round my willy
Welshfirmnosurrender 1 year ago
can you go into the theater and watch Manhattan melodrama?
bigdragon8me 1 year ago
In the alley? that damn movie sucks! they said he died on the side walk
TheCharmingPhoenix 1 year ago
Thanks for posting, fascinating. The agents had no choice, John pulled his gun, end of story.
dks13827 1 year ago
@dks13827 tru. but they knew they had to do it anyway. he'd just escape again so they were gonna kill him anyway
TheCharmingPhoenix 1 year ago
The FBI had missed Dillinger at the infamous"Little Bohemia" raid but managed to shoot some locals. They were under enormous pressure to get Dillinger and I think they were resolved to use any and all means to bring him down. As Dillinger was not likely to turn himself in, he too must have realized his ultimate destiny.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
@ipfeldspar i agree. i think he knew it was coming. the funny thing is that the last movie he saw before he died was "Manhattan Melodrama" with Clark Gable, William Powell and Myrna Loy. lol... have u actually seen that movie? right before he died he must have been worried anyway after seeing a show like that. he must've thought about Billie, his childhood, the end and everything in the theater. he wouldda been better off seeing Shirley Temple that night...lol
TheCharmingPhoenix 1 year ago
@dks13827 they could have tackled him
bigdragon8me 1 year ago
They could have got him in a number of different ways. The deciding factor was the pressure law enforcement was under to bring him down. Killing him presented the least risk to the law involved. Letting him live opened the possibility of cops/citizens getting zapped.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
RIP John Dillinger Jr.
monoxidesjuggalette 1 year ago
reminds me of the "Dakota building" in NYC where Lennon was shot dead, how theres no sign marking the spot but people who live there all know where it was.
ballabogan 1 year ago
The Dakota probably wants to stay away from that reminder. That is private property compared to Chicago's deliberate ignoring of the mob wars. For years Chicago has tried to stay away from that "taint." The irony is that Dillinger didn't do much crime in Chicago and he was just trying to hide out.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
The location of his shooting and falling down is not down the alley as you say and show in the video. It was just at the entrance to the alley. It is clearly shown on the FBI website documents, and as well in several of the videos here on youtube. However, you do state correctly in your above summary. Interesting studying about "Public Enemy #1".
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kendavis2 1 year ago
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therealdjsymphony 1 year ago
awesome video I think you should patition the city to put some plaque or some commemoration, her was somones kid and I think he should be remembered.
ocarlson007 1 year ago
Chicago (officially) has always tried to ignore that era of crime. It is very unlikely that they would even consider a plaque. In that neighborhood, the Dillinger shooting is notorious and the folks there are always glad to point out the spot.
ipfeldspar 1 year ago 2
@ocarlson007 See my collection of original Dillinger related newspaperson by going to facebook and typing into the search John Dillinger Gangster Newspapers
lillback1 1 year ago
Dillinger is the shit
TheSrjo 1 year ago
nowadays they sell insurances.
rasputin510 1 year ago
He wasn't in the alley, he was right there on the corner, facing alley. I have a pic of the blood spot. Bank robber or not, I feel bad for the guy. And it is still debatable whether he actually killed that cop or not. Some reports say he was seen in FL the day before, and that some of his gang did the bank job where the cop was killed, but John was arrested in Tuscon with some of the money from that job, so it was pinned on him. I'm not sure which to believe, but maybe it wasn't John anyway.
Bailey95 1 year ago
great footage
Powerules 1 year ago
very cool video man
ShaneThompson94 1 year ago
He wasn't running away, he took two steps but couldn't get his .38 out of his pocket, he was shot twice in the chest, and then turned and took a fatal shot to the back of the skull. Dillinger doesn't "flee."
toadflax33 1 year ago
Great video.
Jubzin 1 year ago
this is a briiliant video retracing dillingers last moments amazing
gushing123 1 year ago
They should have a thing on the ground to show you where
TheRespectGang 1 year ago
thank u nice vedio buddy
male222 1 year ago
You are welcome. I'm still amazed at the number of people who have watched it and even more amazed at the number of comments. Thank-You for watching!
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
@ipfeldspar awesome movie you should try to get the city to put a memorial for the guy he mattered to his sonless father and girlfriend even if he was "bad" you have to feel sorry for him, and the others who miss him and still miss him his girlfriend is still alive
ocarlson007 1 year ago
@spiritmartyr009 out of all his robberies he only killed 1 person. which was cop and he went to shoot him in the foot because the cop shot him in a bulletproof vest but the cop ducked and dillenger shot him in the head on accident. the guns they brought only for fear. baby face nelson killed everything he saw. my hat is off to who killed baby face. not dillenger, dillenger was amazing
Skyline1134 1 year ago
@ thegodparticle public enemy it's a realy good film about him
cazzy523 1 year ago
dillinger was nothing but a murdering criminal. My hat is off to those that ended his cowardly reign of terror.
spiritmartyr009 1 year ago
the enquirer magazine said he didnt die there, in fact he died when a fat lady rolled over on top of him in a motel 6. they didnt leave the light on for him when he got in bed. lol
39tommyboy 1 year ago
Dillinger and other gangsters were able to hide out in St. Paul. The "O'Conner" system allowed gangsters to legally hide out from other states.
drnone88 1 year ago
this is kewl. i am actully doing a project in history about Dillinger its nice to actully know where he had died. in my project it just says that he walked out and got shout.
now i know he ran down the alley and got shot probally somewhere in the back.
jwedogg 1 year ago
FUCK THE COPS PUSSY ASS PIGS
PhoenixAZMusic 1 year ago
very nice video!!!
zepaulera 1 year ago
Thank-You!
ipfeldspar 1 year ago
I was told by a my girlfriend's dad who is a Chicago police detective that he thinks that the Chicago police and FBI agents pursuing Dillenger shot him cause they didnt want him to get to far in that alley not because he drew his weapon.W hen you think about it it makes sense.....if he had have been able to get just a few more seconds he could have drew his gun and fired behind him as he ran keeping them pinned down around the sidewalk long enough for him to clear the alley and escape.
coltkilla1985 1 year ago
This was an awesome video. Thanks for posting it.
DrowningYourMother 1 year ago
did they shoot that ending scene of Public enemies at this place?
Man5i 1 year ago
he didn't even make it into the alley
minson122 1 year ago
eyes were brown....
bongomang 1 year ago
Dillinger is a legend!
C240Flyby 1 year ago
A whore took down dilinger, capone, mike tyson etc etc. whats wrong with these bitches?
wardaddy08 1 year ago
yea the movie is horrible
the timeline i mean
svee00 1 year ago
nobody knows where 2pac was shot in Vegas ? I went there but saw nothing. Looks like nobody cares of them..
Alltimeboxing 1 year ago
2pac was shot on Koval in Vegas
krb821 1 year ago
@krb821 NO1 CARES. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 2PAC DONT COMMENT ON HIM
i2dful 1 year ago
@Alltimeboxing What do you expect a marching parade with banners saying " Heres where Pac died"! lol i think not.
john13200242 1 year ago
@john13200242 dumbass.
Alltimeboxing 1 year ago
@Alltimeboxing LOL I had a good laugh, Good day sir!
john13200242 1 year ago
@Alltimeboxing Your right. No one really cares. lol
DONTCKLICKMYNAME 1 year ago
@DONTCKLICKMYNAME yeah, thats sad for you, you guys are so racist that you are not even able to recognize a great artist when you see one. The only good thing is that, at least, people care a million time more about him than about you.
Alltimeboxing 1 year ago
@Alltimeboxing I'm not racist. And it's a good thing no one really cares about me because I'm a considerably horrible person.
DONTCKLICKMYNAME 1 year ago
im From Lima,Ohio To This Day a Buch Of Places here Still Have Up His Wanted Poster Including The Sheriff's Office And The Cop he Killed Here Has a Plaque and A in Memory Photo Up In a Glass Showcase
1richunderdog 1 year ago
:D i would so dress up as a ghost in that ally at night scare people haha *u dare disturb my resting place!*
minablock 2 years ago
LoL~!
wayprods 1 year ago
If he was running down the alley then they must have shot him in the back. Thats low
TheGodParticle 2 years ago 7
There are quite a few people who feel that this was a deliberate "execution", rather than an arrest. On the other hand no one wanted to take any chances going up against Dillinger. I personally think the authorities planned in advance to give Dillinger about one second to surrender, then they would blast him.
ipfeldspar 2 years ago
@ipfeldspar. Thanks, I can agree looking at dillinger's track record and what the police were up against. I guess they were tough times...
TheGodParticle 2 years ago
I second that.
I believe the reason the FBI was so quick to shoot JD was because he had embarrassed and frustrated them for so long.
On another note, thank you so much for posting this video ipfeldspar - I loved it!
wayprods 1 year ago
Might also be because he and gang shot first and asked questions later, had already killed, and were known to be armed with a variety of firearms at all times. Also, 3 FBI had been killed in efforts to bag he and gang (it didn't matter that "Nelson" did the actual shooting). Also, there had been no evidence that any of these guys had plans to be taken alive. Witnesses said he reached in his pocket that night and a pistol was recovered off his body (pistol in FBI museum in D.C.).
teller121 1 year ago
Yezzurr that shit is low as fuck...but you have to realize it was like a whole different world back then.
Evans238 1 year ago
@TheGodParticle . cops are low, generally speaking.
guiguox 1 year ago
@TheGodParticle had they tried to play nice, chances are one of the agents wouldn't have made it home.
The plan was to capture him alive but not to hesitate to kill him at the first sign or resistance. That was ordered from Hoover himself.
Alexn1067 1 year ago
@Alexn1067 Thanks, I guess so. Well he's in the history books now. did they ever make a movie about this guy?
TheGodParticle 1 year ago
@TheGodParticle they did right threw the back of the head
xswtfx 1 year ago
@TheGodParticle The wound that killed Dillinger entered the back of his head, passed through the brain at a downward angle, and exited through his right cheek, yes.
NHSActor 1 year ago
he was shot in the alley, used to spend my misspent youth at Wax Trax Records bout 5 doors down from the Biograph, spent some time drinkin beer in that alley...
SxDxTrace 2 years ago
I wonder if it's the same width and basic lay-out now as it was then. It looks very similar from photos. I wonder if the little doorway nook that Purvis was waiting in is still there. The vid shows a doorway or two on the way to the alley but I wonder if those doorways and what-not are the same as they were in 1934! Looks very similar. Fittingly, since so much time has passed, it all looks a little smaller, esp. the Biograph, from what you might think.
teller121 1 year ago
lesson to be leaned here,if your going to rob banks and be a gangster ,never let your guard down for a second and keep some heavy back up buddies around watching your back and never, never trust a woman never,they bring much trouble.
ilililhy 2 years ago 9
Agreed!
archangel385 2 years ago
@ilililhy ---TRUST NO BITCH ! ---tony montana
thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
@thafeelinghurter scarface?! fuck tony montana!! american mobsters started cause of jon dillinger! not that homo! pussy ass bitch
keepyaheadup13 1 year ago
@EVERY1WHO GOT THERE FEELINGS HURT ! i am tha feeling hurter ! HAHA
thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
@ilililhy HAHA!
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PassingSquall 1 year ago
@PassingSquall and a word of wisdom,those who live by the sword die by the sword,or GUN,so those who live honestly sleep peacefully
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