the economy so fuk right now it like a slave market and meat market so humiliating when apply for job she is right about mcdonald employers have too much leverage they can do that
The Problem is very less number of students are in the right major. If you do a bachelors in one of the STEM fields (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) followed by at least a Masters you can definitely get a job in US. You can also get Research / Teaching assistantship in these majors, thereby not having to pay anything to pay for grad school in any university. Problem is that these majors are not easy.That is why not many people choose to pursue it.
Depends on your major and intended field. Underwater basket-weaving (random liberal arts degree) is not going to present you with a desirable skill set for employers. However, some STEM degrees are very beneficial.
1 1:26 ha ha whats the matter, cant use that million dollars more bs 'statistic'
2 who are doing these 'statistics' and where are they getting their funding from? who is running them? who is influencing them? cause she named as a source for the bs shes saying, the same place that output the '1 million dollar more' bs statistic that has been thoroughly disproven
apart from doctors and in some cases lawyers, name one field that you cant study up on yourself for free between internet and library
COLLEGE IS A SCAM All greatness of character is dependent on individuality. The man who has no other existence than that which he partakes in common with all around him, will never have any other than an existence of mediocrity.
Speaking of a 19k increase over people with only a HS Diploma/ GED, this does not take into consideration the fact that going to college will almost naturally settle you with debt (unless you get killer financial aid/scholarship), debt that can amount to over $100,000 of bankruptcy-immune dollars.
That means that it would take 5-6 years of that higher payrate to pay back that debt, and then that doesn't even take into account the amount the HS/GED student made in said time, and the experience.
If you don't buy into the Hype and go to normal universities instead of a super big mega university, you'll be alright.
Which is weird, because I find that larger instituitons like the Ivy Leauges and what not not only offer the most financial aid, but actually deliver on the dream of getting high paying jobs and what not (especially engineers, like at MIT).
Going to Columbia University is actually cheaper for me than going to Binghamton University is for my sister.
The right types of engineers can make $80k right out of school, a person with only a high school diploma (guessing) maybe $30k. That's a $50k difference, massively driving up the average, so one engineer making $80k, one anthropology major making $30k, and you get an average $25k improvement over high school, even though one degree was worthless. I believe this is the source of the $19k: some degrees are very valuable, and others nearly worthless.
It really sucks that america treats education degrees so disrespectfully. I mean teachers in America don't even make that much. In Canada my older brother makes 45k he's been teaching for 2 years now. By his 10 year mark his salary will be in the 60k-70 range. Which is pretty good.
I have a college degree, but there isn't a lot of jobs in my branch :p .. on top of that, in media and design, companies just look at your portfolio, not your degree.
I agree with Jayar. IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY LEBOWSKI!! They want to keep this system of "having to go to college." College is no longer valuable unless you're one of those people who already have a job lined up for them before they graduate. Because if you can't find work after college like a lot of people now can't, the student loan companies aren't very sympathetic to your plight and they have you in financial shackles. You're become a slave to a student loan that you can't pay.
@nett103 That's a nice heartfelt sentiment; naive and erroneous no the less. Paying anything for something you can teach yourself is waste of money. If your IQ is above 100 you can teach yourself anything. If it's below that you shouldn't be pursuing post-secondary education anyways.
@AeroGastby Thats why EEs, MEs, and CEs are in such high demand...getting the degree is no walk in the park! But, if you're able to do it...the rewards are well worth it. Keep in mind, engineering isn't for everybody.
@AeroGastby Electrical Engineering...its pretty difficult too (at least it was for me). I've been in the field for just over 4 years now, and I have yet to do things as difficult as I did in school (I went to a pretty good engineering school though). Engineering is one of the few professions that most people cant walk in off the street and perform. There are many fundamental principles that you must learn before you can do the job, and you'll gain these principles in school.
college can be a scam depending on what you want to do with your life and what resources you already have available to you. if you're like me, a guy from a low-income family with poor social skills and no "connections," then college is a good investment. however, if you come from a fairly wealthy family and/or know the right people who can land you a good job, college is unnecessary. it also depends on if you have a genuine interest in a subject or if you just want a big salary
I think what the biggest detractor is that many places still expect too much. Companies still have the advantage, and are asking for at least three years experience along with college. In a low economy such as what we have, the companies have even more of an advantage in who they can hire.
But the companies are shooting themselves in the foot, because the people that they are actually hiring out of this mentality are the blowhards who sound great on paper, but fall short in reality. So be it.
LOL 19k a year doesn't matter if you don't know the rule of 72 and you don't know how to get out of debt. I know many people who are making bank without a college education.
I'm going to end this argument right now. An education matters, but what matters more is which major you pick. Honestly, I think the best bang for the buck education route is to do a 2+2 program in Engineering. Take 2 years of classes at your local community college, and transfer to a local state university to finish your other 2 years. All the other bs can fly away! That's what I did, and I graduated with minimum student debt (less than $10k), and I have a well paying job. #WINNING
@Gushe002 Where was your first employment after college? Here in Cali for a Draftsman is around 38 to 42 grand as a starting salary. Just want to know because the statistics online are not that accurate most times.
19k is bullshit. Remember that 40+ year olds are in the job market. They already have the connections and jobs that having gotten a 4 year education back in their youth would matter. Now a 4 year degree is just bullshit.
Not every1 is made for college and not every1 should be going to college. For example, 1year at UCLA (a fairly cheap Univ) would cost u about 15K (NOT counting room/board,food,textbooks)....If you pay $250 a month, which is a SIGNIFICANT payment for a middle class person, it will take a ~ 50 months to pay off JUSt ONE YEAR! Thats over 4 years for 1 year! Thats not even countin interest!
There are plenty of applications for psychology majors. The problem is, most people only know of relationship counseling and psychiatry. Anything that involves people involves psychology, and guess what? People are EVERYWHERE.
Did they ask people who have never studied, students, graduates, drop-outs or all of them ?
I would really like to know if graduates feel like they have learned something valueable @ uni/college.
About to finish my Bachelors and I feel like I know nothing important, that I can use anywhere important. My studies were/are a COMPLETE disappointment and it wouldn't surprise me my degree ends up decorating my wall.
@computerjero ... I am forced to agree. There is no use in college whatever; especially since you can go on the web and buy a degree with transcripts and phone verification. So, someone will say to me that buying a degree on-line is dishonest. Is it more dishonest to use tax money and do courses on-line or buy your degree with your own money outright. You decide, stealing or lying, which is better; yes, neither is better.
You guys nail it at the end. So many companies won't even look at you if you don't have a college degree, and that needs to change. A very easy way to fix this: employers cannot discriminate on formal education. (Like they can't discriminate against age, gender, etc.) They can't legally ask (you might tell) where you went to college, if you did. It sucks for employers, but there are still many filtering techniques not used. (Your resume says a lot even without an education section.)
I know there are a lot of useless majors, but psychology isn't one of them. You can be more than a therapist. Just look at usajobs.gov, they have a lot of positions open for psychology. I major in criminal justice, and that department encouraged us to pick up psych or soc for a second major or minor. Philosophy, women's studies, music, those are basically useless.
@CelphProclaimed Actually psychology is expanding... nice try though. It's still one of the newest sciences but it is growing bigger. And many institutions consider neuroscience a subfield of psychology or simply term it "neuroscience psychology."
@MountHappy I kept my shit straight, you just lack comprehension skills. Psychology is on it's way out when it comes to the study of the human brain, the bulk of recent and future discoveries have and will belong to neuroscientists. Obviously their will always be a need for therapists, but the work you can do with a psychology major will become more scarce as neuroscientists become more numerous. Do you understand now that I held your hand all the way through?
@CelphProclaimed Lol being a pretentious prick doesn't make you any more right. But I'm sure you can find some nice line of work in future-prediction or theorizing. "Psychology is expanding because of discoveries in cognitive and behavioral neuroscience"... how is that not implying that neuroscience is a field of psychology? Try and answer without being a cunt and maybe we can have a decent discussion here.
@MountHappy First and foremost, you're the one who started acting like a "pretentious prick" after you posted something incorrect and added "nice try" on the end of it. I have no patience for ignorance and none for arrogance, you should have simply made your point and moved on like I did originally instead of adding a smug little tag at the end of your bullshit comment. Don't start crying now that you've talked yourself into a corner.
@CelphProclaimed You didn't answer my inquiry, so who's talked into a corner?? Excuse me for pointing out how absurd your statement was, I'd almost have thought you were joking. No patience for ignorance? How do you live with yourself? Lol, if anyone sounds like they are going on a PMS rage, it's you. Change your tampon and kindly fuck off. Goodbye.
@MountHappy "Neuroscience is a subfield of Psychology" That's what you said. That's not true, and that's that, no amount of your crying or "lol"s will change it, you spoke out of your ass and were exposed, now you're upset. Whatever you think I "implied" is irrelevant since you literally stated that Neuroscience is a subfield of Psychology and it simply true. I thought I made it pretty apparent that Neuroscience was it's own field when I said "Psychology out, Neuroscience in" but whatever.
@MountHappy Second of all, it doesn't imply anything other than two fields that work closely on related topics. And regardless, I certainly shouldn't have to break down the subfields of psychology to someone who started the conversation by stating his "knowledge" of the importance a psych degree holds.
@CelphProclaimed "Cognitive psychology is the branch of psychology that studies mental processes including how people think, perceive, remember, and learn. As part of the larger field of cognitive science, this branch of psychology is related to other disciplines including neuroscience, philosophy, and linguistics."
@MountHappy Nowhere in that quote that you copied from wikipedia does it say neuroscience is a subfield of psychology, let alone even mention "neuroscience psychology". It says cognitive psychology is related to neuroscience under the larger field of cognitive science which is obvious since neuroscience has a cognitive subfield. Unless you're also trying to imply that linguistics and philosophy are subfields of psychology which would be utterly hilarious.
@MountHappy In a lot of ways it is a scam. For example I spent hundreds of dollars on USED books this semester I was curious to see how much my school would offer me selling them back they said 4 dollars for and that's for 20 books that were in great condition and no older then a year and a half.
@SumFreshDkaf That's not exclusive to school book stores, though. There was a local, privately-owned book shop in the town of my university that did the same thing. College is only a scam to people when they can't find success with it and, in a failing economy with a job recession, you unfortunately need one to find any decent-paying work. If college was a scam they would effectively take all of your money and give you nothing in return. Instead you get a pass for the job fields above janitor.
@KuntaJay Please don't cite Steve Jobs, and Richard Branson. Those are only 2 out of 6 billion+ people. Zuckerberg and Gates don't count as they could have finished college but they were already billionaires. Tell me a job where you can make over $50k that doesn't require ANY training after high school? Think of something? Oh right you might be having a hard time because THERE AREN'T ANY.
@sikvenum82 Since when is success solely monetary? Who said anything about training? Most jobs require training, but not 4 years of college, plus look at the college grads who have nowhere to work. And school just is not for everyone, some people just aren't fit for school and live happy lives without it.
@fantasmaloca No one is hating on psych majors, only sayin that my majors electives (Im Eng Mech) is your major. Im sick of hearing Ana whine and shit about how expensive universities are... if you actually apply your degree in science, it costs a lot of money for a reason. Engineering and Physics labs are expensive as fuck. The difference between my home school (UIUC) labs and my abroad school (TU Darmstadt in Germany) labs is embarrassing. My home school raises more money. It's all about money
@CBielski87 What about education and being able to do what you love? Every engineering major I know hates it...btw I'm not sure if you were implying that or not, but psychology IS a science :)
@fantasmaloca I can't speak for others, but I love what I do and most of my eng classmates also thoroughly enjoy engineering which speaks for the quality of U of Illinois' engineering campus (#4 program in the nation). I'm curious the differences in budgets between "top" engineering schools and the low quality engineering campuses.
@CBielski87 Honestly, the only thing that will matter to an employer is whether or not the engineering program is ABET accredited. I agree, its nice to have, but you need to have work experience also. But you do make an interesting point because most 'top' engineering schools get that rating because their students have access to great co-op opportunities. At the end of the day though, all that matters is ABET accredited 4-year degree + job experience...no matter what school you went to!
@CBielski87 Agreed... I attend ITT Tech here in California, 2 year program is about 46 grand, majoring in Computer Drafting & Design. Budget wise, I am safe, my father is making the payments every 3 months, so luckily I don't have to worry about the finances lol. I want to do what I love also, which is to draw and design my own products and concept cars, rather be rich in passion and happiness than rich in my pocket, but yes money does matter at an extent. Just invest in what you love to do :)
@fantasmaloca Its not an insult to psych majors. Its just that most students go for a psych degree. When you flood the system with psych majors the degree becomes less valuable.
Hm...makes me glad that even though I am working for an emphasis I at least would be trained a little in other disciplines..yay BFA requiring you to take a class in every emphasis possibility.
American students need to stop getting pointless degrees like Psychology or General Studies and go after useful ones like Engineering or Informatics. I was majoring in International Studies until I realized I probably wouldn't get a job with that, so I switched to an Informatics-related major. You have to make yourself competitive in this market!
I'm an American doing my MA in Heidelberg, Germany. The fees differ depending on the state you're studying in, but I'm paying the same price a German would: only €500 in tuition plus about €150 in administrative costs, etc. per semester. And they gave me a student discount for the public healthcare system.
College degrees generally means you're an employee capable of putting in serious work, even do good when working on stuff you have no interest in or don't necessarily like. That's what's attractive about a college degree for McDonalds (I think).
I pay 1713 euros in tuition- rest of my things I get from success-loans (If you finish University you don't have to pay it back) and crazy low-interest student loans (1.5% interest I think).
I know this scares a lot of Americans, but maybe it's a good idea to start funding the intellectual colleges (not the sports and shit)
the economy so fuk right now it like a slave market and meat market so humiliating when apply for job she is right about mcdonald employers have too much leverage they can do that
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limwang75 2 hours ago
The Problem is very less number of students are in the right major. If you do a bachelors in one of the STEM fields (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) followed by at least a Masters you can definitely get a job in US. You can also get Research / Teaching assistantship in these majors, thereby not having to pay anything to pay for grad school in any university. Problem is that these majors are not easy.That is why not many people choose to pursue it.
petpatatiable 1 month ago
Depends on your major and intended field. Underwater basket-weaving (random liberal arts degree) is not going to present you with a desirable skill set for employers. However, some STEM degrees are very beneficial.
jewfrok 1 month ago
Take out the doctors and lawyers and college grad make a lot less than non college grads.
mjpitche 1 month ago
1 1:26 ha ha whats the matter, cant use that million dollars more bs 'statistic'
2 who are doing these 'statistics' and where are they getting their funding from? who is running them? who is influencing them? cause she named as a source for the bs shes saying, the same place that output the '1 million dollar more' bs statistic that has been thoroughly disproven
apart from doctors and in some cases lawyers, name one field that you cant study up on yourself for free between internet and library
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 month ago
COLLEGE IS A SCAM All greatness of character is dependent on individuality. The man who has no other existence than that which he partakes in common with all around him, will never have any other than an existence of mediocrity.
James F. Coope
TheSlightlySlanted 3 months ago
Speaking of a 19k increase over people with only a HS Diploma/ GED, this does not take into consideration the fact that going to college will almost naturally settle you with debt (unless you get killer financial aid/scholarship), debt that can amount to over $100,000 of bankruptcy-immune dollars.
That means that it would take 5-6 years of that higher payrate to pay back that debt, and then that doesn't even take into account the amount the HS/GED student made in said time, and the experience.
ShadowSaberBaroxio 3 months ago
@ShadowSaberBaroxio Not 5-6 years more like 40 for someone who owes 100,000. I owe 15 grand, according to the plan i will be in debt for 15 years.
scrambledpenis 1 month ago
If you don't buy into the Hype and go to normal universities instead of a super big mega university, you'll be alright.
Which is weird, because I find that larger instituitons like the Ivy Leauges and what not not only offer the most financial aid, but actually deliver on the dream of getting high paying jobs and what not (especially engineers, like at MIT).
Going to Columbia University is actually cheaper for me than going to Binghamton University is for my sister.
ShadowSaberBaroxio 3 months ago
This totally depends, it depends on a) How much money you have, b) How good your school is, c) How much your school is charging.
kazekage321414 3 months ago
The right types of engineers can make $80k right out of school, a person with only a high school diploma (guessing) maybe $30k. That's a $50k difference, massively driving up the average, so one engineer making $80k, one anthropology major making $30k, and you get an average $25k improvement over high school, even though one degree was worthless. I believe this is the source of the $19k: some degrees are very valuable, and others nearly worthless.
jordan567890 3 months ago
@jordan567890 I majored in english. I dont know what the fuck I was thinking!
scrambledpenis 1 month ago
It really sucks that america treats education degrees so disrespectfully. I mean teachers in America don't even make that much. In Canada my older brother makes 45k he's been teaching for 2 years now. By his 10 year mark his salary will be in the 60k-70 range. Which is pretty good.
VolcardoReviewer 5 months ago
@VolcardoReviewer dude, 60k-70k is not pretty good. That sucks man. I made that my first year and I only got an associates right now.
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@echosixnoble If you look at yearly stats, you are a rare breed man. What level of education do you teach?
VolcardoReviewer 5 months ago
I have a college degree, but there isn't a lot of jobs in my branch :p .. on top of that, in media and design, companies just look at your portfolio, not your degree.
Rosalila 5 months ago
HAHAHA!!! I laugh at all you Americans! My University will cost no more than 8000 for the whole four years. Viva Canada!
Pyrmon 7 months ago
I agree with Jayar. IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY LEBOWSKI!! They want to keep this system of "having to go to college." College is no longer valuable unless you're one of those people who already have a job lined up for them before they graduate. Because if you can't find work after college like a lot of people now can't, the student loan companies aren't very sympathetic to your plight and they have you in financial shackles. You're become a slave to a student loan that you can't pay.
kuunami 7 months ago
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kuunami 7 months ago
I think the text book publishing industry is a scam!!! It needs to be regulated.
sagitaria1185 7 months ago
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sagitaria1185 7 months ago
I got accepted to various csu's but I didnt accept because FAFSA is a scam.
Defacement4 7 months ago
Ana's trying to justify her crap degree. You're earning shit all Ana, ie. college isn't worth it.
Himhippo 7 months ago
@Vallista
Just like I said.
They drive up the cost of tuition . That is a FACT
Salvysahagun 8 months ago
STOP GOVERNMENT BACKED STUDENT LOANS!!!
Salvysahagun 8 months ago
Education is NEVER a bad investment, its just that the American education pricing system is severly flawed.
nett103 8 months ago 13
@nett103
No the department of Education is flawed
If Goverment never backed student loans prices would soar down.
Housing bubble = College bubble
Salvysahagun 8 months ago
@nett103 ... "Education" is not an investment; that is unless going to the casino on Saturday night is an investment.
thomasjrbg 1 month ago
@nett103 That's a nice heartfelt sentiment; naive and erroneous no the less. Paying anything for something you can teach yourself is waste of money. If your IQ is above 100 you can teach yourself anything. If it's below that you shouldn't be pursuing post-secondary education anyways.
12Ominous 1 month ago
@AeroGastby Thats why EEs, MEs, and CEs are in such high demand...getting the degree is no walk in the park! But, if you're able to do it...the rewards are well worth it. Keep in mind, engineering isn't for everybody.
Gushe002 8 months ago
@AeroGastby Electrical Engineering...its pretty difficult too (at least it was for me). I've been in the field for just over 4 years now, and I have yet to do things as difficult as I did in school (I went to a pretty good engineering school though). Engineering is one of the few professions that most people cant walk in off the street and perform. There are many fundamental principles that you must learn before you can do the job, and you'll gain these principles in school.
Gushe002 8 months ago
college can be a scam depending on what you want to do with your life and what resources you already have available to you. if you're like me, a guy from a low-income family with poor social skills and no "connections," then college is a good investment. however, if you come from a fairly wealthy family and/or know the right people who can land you a good job, college is unnecessary. it also depends on if you have a genuine interest in a subject or if you just want a big salary
Cuddlebunzzzz 8 months ago
I think what the biggest detractor is that many places still expect too much. Companies still have the advantage, and are asking for at least three years experience along with college. In a low economy such as what we have, the companies have even more of an advantage in who they can hire.
But the companies are shooting themselves in the foot, because the people that they are actually hiring out of this mentality are the blowhards who sound great on paper, but fall short in reality. So be it.
EsHammer1001 9 months ago
I'm willing to admit I went to college because I thought I was suposed to...
TheHammerOfJustice1 9 months ago
LOL 19k a year doesn't matter if you don't know the rule of 72 and you don't know how to get out of debt. I know many people who are making bank without a college education.
vfIskullangel 9 months ago
@vfIskullangel How are they?
rainxinxblack21 9 months ago
@rainxinxblack21 Simple. instead of wasting money on a useless education they bought investments such as mutual funds, Properties, gold and silver.
vfIskullangel 9 months ago
Scam? Maybe not but it's certainly over-priced.
MaxSachs 9 months ago
Agree with Jayar.
zaggers77 9 months ago
I'm going to end this argument right now. An education matters, but what matters more is which major you pick. Honestly, I think the best bang for the buck education route is to do a 2+2 program in Engineering. Take 2 years of classes at your local community college, and transfer to a local state university to finish your other 2 years. All the other bs can fly away! That's what I did, and I graduated with minimum student debt (less than $10k), and I have a well paying job. #WINNING
Gushe002 9 months ago
@Gushe002 Where was your first employment after college? Here in Cali for a Draftsman is around 38 to 42 grand as a starting salary. Just want to know because the statistics online are not that accurate most times.
yumyumluckycharms 9 months ago
@yumyumluckycharms My first employment out of college was a medical device company. I started out as an electrical engineer making $57k per year
Gushe002 8 months ago
@Gushe002 Thats awsome, still finishing school here. But good to know! Thank you!
yumyumluckycharms 8 months ago
@yumyumluckycharms No problem, BTW...I went to school and live in the Southeastern US too. Just to give you a frame of reference.
Gushe002 8 months ago
You guys fail to mention how hard it is to take community college classes nowadays.
flipmaya 9 months ago
19k is bullshit. Remember that 40+ year olds are in the job market. They already have the connections and jobs that having gotten a 4 year education back in their youth would matter. Now a 4 year degree is just bullshit.
CitizenofDystopia 9 months ago
I wonder how much debt Jayar is in after going to SC. 40k/year. Wonder if he had rich parents or sumthin
goldenshots 9 months ago
Not every1 is made for college and not every1 should be going to college. For example, 1year at UCLA (a fairly cheap Univ) would cost u about 15K (NOT counting room/board,food,textbooks)....If you pay $250 a month, which is a SIGNIFICANT payment for a middle class person, it will take a ~ 50 months to pay off JUSt ONE YEAR! Thats over 4 years for 1 year! Thats not even countin interest!
goldenshots 9 months ago
There are plenty of applications for psychology majors. The problem is, most people only know of relationship counseling and psychiatry. Anything that involves people involves psychology, and guess what? People are EVERYWHERE.
turkoizdog 9 months ago
Did they ask people who have never studied, students, graduates, drop-outs or all of them ?
I would really like to know if graduates feel like they have learned something valueable @ uni/college.
About to finish my Bachelors and I feel like I know nothing important, that I can use anywhere important. My studies were/are a COMPLETE disappointment and it wouldn't surprise me my degree ends up decorating my wall.
computerjero 9 months ago 5
@computerjero ... I am forced to agree. There is no use in college whatever; especially since you can go on the web and buy a degree with transcripts and phone verification. So, someone will say to me that buying a degree on-line is dishonest. Is it more dishonest to use tax money and do courses on-line or buy your degree with your own money outright. You decide, stealing or lying, which is better; yes, neither is better.
thomasjrbg 1 month ago
You guys nail it at the end. So many companies won't even look at you if you don't have a college degree, and that needs to change. A very easy way to fix this: employers cannot discriminate on formal education. (Like they can't discriminate against age, gender, etc.) They can't legally ask (you might tell) where you went to college, if you did. It sucks for employers, but there are still many filtering techniques not used. (Your resume says a lot even without an education section.)
DeJach 9 months ago
@DeJach I agree with you. A degree doesn't mean they applicant is apt at all.
computerjero 9 months ago
I will only acknowledge a social science major if they pursue graduate studies. Otherwise their degree is laughable at best.
Owner46 9 months ago
I know there are a lot of useless majors, but psychology isn't one of them. You can be more than a therapist. Just look at usajobs.gov, they have a lot of positions open for psychology. I major in criminal justice, and that department encouraged us to pick up psych or soc for a second major or minor. Philosophy, women's studies, music, those are basically useless.
LadySeraph 9 months ago
@LadySeraph psychology is on it's way out, the future of studying the human brain is in neuroscience.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@CelphProclaimed Actually psychology is expanding... nice try though. It's still one of the newest sciences but it is growing bigger. And many institutions consider neuroscience a subfield of psychology or simply term it "neuroscience psychology."
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy Psychology is expanding because of discoveries in cognitive and behavioral neuroscience, nice try though.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
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@CelphProclaimed You just said "psychology is on it's way out" and now you're saying it's growing? Lol, you can't even get your own shit straight.
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy I kept my shit straight, you just lack comprehension skills. Psychology is on it's way out when it comes to the study of the human brain, the bulk of recent and future discoveries have and will belong to neuroscientists. Obviously their will always be a need for therapists, but the work you can do with a psychology major will become more scarce as neuroscientists become more numerous. Do you understand now that I held your hand all the way through?
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@CelphProclaimed Lol being a pretentious prick doesn't make you any more right. But I'm sure you can find some nice line of work in future-prediction or theorizing. "Psychology is expanding because of discoveries in cognitive and behavioral neuroscience"... how is that not implying that neuroscience is a field of psychology? Try and answer without being a cunt and maybe we can have a decent discussion here.
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy First and foremost, you're the one who started acting like a "pretentious prick" after you posted something incorrect and added "nice try" on the end of it. I have no patience for ignorance and none for arrogance, you should have simply made your point and moved on like I did originally instead of adding a smug little tag at the end of your bullshit comment. Don't start crying now that you've talked yourself into a corner.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@CelphProclaimed You didn't answer my inquiry, so who's talked into a corner?? Excuse me for pointing out how absurd your statement was, I'd almost have thought you were joking. No patience for ignorance? How do you live with yourself? Lol, if anyone sounds like they are going on a PMS rage, it's you. Change your tampon and kindly fuck off. Goodbye.
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy I did answer your question keyboard warrior, settle down.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@CelphProclaimed Lol keyboard warrior? What a fool. Now stop spamming me.
MountHappy 9 months ago
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@MountHappy I'm not spamming you I'm educating you.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@MountHappy "Neuroscience is a subfield of Psychology" That's what you said. That's not true, and that's that, no amount of your crying or "lol"s will change it, you spoke out of your ass and were exposed, now you're upset. Whatever you think I "implied" is irrelevant since you literally stated that Neuroscience is a subfield of Psychology and it simply true. I thought I made it pretty apparent that Neuroscience was it's own field when I said "Psychology out, Neuroscience in" but whatever.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@MountHappy Second of all, it doesn't imply anything other than two fields that work closely on related topics. And regardless, I certainly shouldn't have to break down the subfields of psychology to someone who started the conversation by stating his "knowledge" of the importance a psych degree holds.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@MountHappy *facepalm* "Neuroscience Psychology" isn't a subfield of Pyschology, it's subfields of Neuroscience that deal with Psychology.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
@CelphProclaimed "Cognitive psychology is the branch of psychology that studies mental processes including how people think, perceive, remember, and learn. As part of the larger field of cognitive science, this branch of psychology is related to other disciplines including neuroscience, philosophy, and linguistics."
Facepalm yourself. Good game.
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy Nowhere in that quote that you copied from wikipedia does it say neuroscience is a subfield of psychology, let alone even mention "neuroscience psychology". It says cognitive psychology is related to neuroscience under the larger field of cognitive science which is obvious since neuroscience has a cognitive subfield. Unless you're also trying to imply that linguistics and philosophy are subfields of psychology which would be utterly hilarious.
CelphProclaimed 9 months ago
If there's a good community college in your area they're fantastic. It's like 1500 a semester - and a lot of that can get written off in taxes.
ooMONKEYoo 9 months ago
College is a scam? Right. I take it most of you didn't make it past the application process...
MountHappy 9 months ago 26
@MountHappy I think any college that charges over 10k a year is a scam.
ooMONKEYoo 9 months ago
@ooMONKEYoo There's a private high school in my state that charges 30k a year. You wanna talk about scams...
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy :O
ooMONKEYoo 9 months ago
@MountHappy In a lot of ways it is a scam. For example I spent hundreds of dollars on USED books this semester I was curious to see how much my school would offer me selling them back they said 4 dollars for and that's for 20 books that were in great condition and no older then a year and a half.
SumFreshDkaf 9 months ago
@SumFreshDkaf That's not exclusive to school book stores, though. There was a local, privately-owned book shop in the town of my university that did the same thing. College is only a scam to people when they can't find success with it and, in a failing economy with a job recession, you unfortunately need one to find any decent-paying work. If college was a scam they would effectively take all of your money and give you nothing in return. Instead you get a pass for the job fields above janitor.
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy
I take it you are one of the scammed?
dantheleafsfan1 9 months ago
@dantheleafsfan1 Ehrm no... that's why I'm defending it...
MountHappy 9 months ago
@MountHappy It's just not for everybody.
KuntaJay 8 months ago
@KuntaJay Thats because you only have enough mental capacity to flip burgers at McDonalds.
sikvenum82 8 months ago
@sikvenum82 You don't need to go to college to be successful and you can do more than flip burgers.
KuntaJay 8 months ago
@KuntaJay Please don't cite Steve Jobs, and Richard Branson. Those are only 2 out of 6 billion+ people. Zuckerberg and Gates don't count as they could have finished college but they were already billionaires. Tell me a job where you can make over $50k that doesn't require ANY training after high school? Think of something? Oh right you might be having a hard time because THERE AREN'T ANY.
sikvenum82 8 months ago
@sikvenum82 Since when is success solely monetary? Who said anything about training? Most jobs require training, but not 4 years of college, plus look at the college grads who have nowhere to work. And school just is not for everyone, some people just aren't fit for school and live happy lives without it.
KuntaJay 8 months ago
@MountHappy The simple-minded like you receives much pity. peace.
mancheromanchero 5 months ago
@mancheromanchero No pity is needed from those more simple-minded than oneself. Cunt.
MountHappy 5 months ago
Ana and her Fox News like brain washing. $19,000 more? That's the million dollar lie. I said it once and said it again. All college is a scam.
force3264 9 months ago
FUCK COLLEGE! It's a giant fucking scam and, as usual, Jayar is 100% right.
puddum 9 months ago
Stop hating on psych majors :(
fantasmaloca 9 months ago 45
@fantasmaloca All these people paying 50k a semester will need a psychiatrist.
ooMONKEYoo 9 months ago
@ooMONKEYoo LOL ur insane. My college doesn't charge that much per semester. Do some more research.
fantasmaloca 9 months ago
@fantasmaloca I don't think you understood my comment.
ooMONKEYoo 9 months ago
@ooMONKEYoo I did...I just wanted to make another point :)
fantasmaloca 9 months ago
@fantasmaloca No one is hating on psych majors, only sayin that my majors electives (Im Eng Mech) is your major. Im sick of hearing Ana whine and shit about how expensive universities are... if you actually apply your degree in science, it costs a lot of money for a reason. Engineering and Physics labs are expensive as fuck. The difference between my home school (UIUC) labs and my abroad school (TU Darmstadt in Germany) labs is embarrassing. My home school raises more money. It's all about money
CBielski87 9 months ago
@CBielski87 What about education and being able to do what you love? Every engineering major I know hates it...btw I'm not sure if you were implying that or not, but psychology IS a science :)
fantasmaloca 9 months ago
@fantasmaloca I can't speak for others, but I love what I do and most of my eng classmates also thoroughly enjoy engineering which speaks for the quality of U of Illinois' engineering campus (#4 program in the nation). I'm curious the differences in budgets between "top" engineering schools and the low quality engineering campuses.
CBielski87 9 months ago
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Gushe002 9 months ago
@CBielski87 Honestly, the only thing that will matter to an employer is whether or not the engineering program is ABET accredited. I agree, its nice to have, but you need to have work experience also. But you do make an interesting point because most 'top' engineering schools get that rating because their students have access to great co-op opportunities. At the end of the day though, all that matters is ABET accredited 4-year degree + job experience...no matter what school you went to!
Gushe002 9 months ago
@CBielski87 -___-
fantasmaloca 9 months ago
@CBielski87 Agreed... I attend ITT Tech here in California, 2 year program is about 46 grand, majoring in Computer Drafting & Design. Budget wise, I am safe, my father is making the payments every 3 months, so luckily I don't have to worry about the finances lol. I want to do what I love also, which is to draw and design my own products and concept cars, rather be rich in passion and happiness than rich in my pocket, but yes money does matter at an extent. Just invest in what you love to do :)
yumyumluckycharms 9 months ago
@fantasmaloca I dont mean to hate but a Bachelor of Psychology is useless on its own. A Graduate degree in psychology can be put ot good use.
Presto14 7 months ago
@fantasmaloca Its not an insult to psych majors. Its just that most students go for a psych degree. When you flood the system with psych majors the degree becomes less valuable.
esplin227 4 months ago
Hm...makes me glad that even though I am working for an emphasis I at least would be trained a little in other disciplines..yay BFA requiring you to take a class in every emphasis possibility.
Akmoon 9 months ago
American students need to stop getting pointless degrees like Psychology or General Studies and go after useful ones like Engineering or Informatics. I was majoring in International Studies until I realized I probably wouldn't get a job with that, so I switched to an Informatics-related major. You have to make yourself competitive in this market!
KarmicKismet 9 months ago
Welcome to the third world my dear gringos. Stop whining and fight for your right to live in a decent society.
ilotitto 9 months ago
I'm an American doing my MA in Heidelberg, Germany. The fees differ depending on the state you're studying in, but I'm paying the same price a German would: only €500 in tuition plus about €150 in administrative costs, etc. per semester. And they gave me a student discount for the public healthcare system.
dougalsii 9 months ago
College degrees generally means you're an employee capable of putting in serious work, even do good when working on stuff you have no interest in or don't necessarily like. That's what's attractive about a college degree for McDonalds (I think).
MiloDaemon 9 months ago
I pay 1713 euros in tuition- rest of my things I get from success-loans (If you finish University you don't have to pay it back) and crazy low-interest student loans (1.5% interest I think).
I know this scares a lot of Americans, but maybe it's a good idea to start funding the intellectual colleges (not the sports and shit)
MiloDaemon 9 months ago