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  • i dont understand how you can get a ticket for for ruining your own tires

  • hello my name is forest gump

  • Hmm, in what previous version of America did you have the right to be a public nuisance and drive like an immature jerk? Hope that ticket was expensive.

  • @guyonearth you mad bro?

  • @guyonearth its a group of freinds somewhere way out in the country, and its not really immature, if anything its mature mature to obtain (whether restoring yourself or workign for the money) a nice car and do a little burnout than waste all that time sitting their playing games or trolling peoples vids on the internet, like you (:

    go and find someone desperate enough to be your friend ^_^ then grow up yourself :D

  • Some cops aren't bad. Got pulled over doing 40 over on a back country road at 6am and they let me go cause i'm a local, some still do things the old way.

  • I love how the guys standin there with a beer at 12 seconds.

  • I'm a car enthusiast (7 cars, including a67 442, a 69 chevelle, and a 57 bel air with a 450) but if you race on a public motorway or endager other people you will get a ticket and lose your license in some cases, and rightfully so, go to a disclosed area to flex your cars muscle. I have seen many accidents with innocent people losing thier lives because some guys want to go 100+ miles per hour on a public motorway. Go to a track or a disclosed area, it's just as fun.

  • a cop once pulled me over at 142 in a 55, i was clearly street racing with 2 other friends at 3am, we were all respectful and polite and admitted our wrong doing and the cop said it would have been different if it were at 3pm but since we didnt deny our wrongdoing or act a fool he knocked 50mph off all of our citations, he saved me from losing my licsence and gave me an expensive learning experience. not all cops are bad guys

  • If He was Black He would have been beaten and arrested...

  • @AirGunLvr... you know, that's probably fucking true.

  • Not all cops are assholes, I have gotten some good ones that were cool. If you think they all are then you have gotten all bad ones or you provoked them to be that way. When you get caught doing something wrong (or what they see as wrong) (they make mistakes just like you do) they are just doing their job and some go all the way some let shit slide but you were still doing something wrong or they couldn't jack with you.

  • No, after idiot after idiot does a burnout on public roads AND CRASHES into other people, they had to crack down.

    Take it to the Track where it belongs. Or can your car not pass basic Tech ? Doesnt cost much to go drag racing ..

  • why is it that the average joes having fun are always the ones getting busted? cops should be out more when the drunk dumb asses leave the bar and decide to go for a joyride.

  • dam what they say

  • New World Order,they are everywhere and in everything,and these mindless moorons just "enforce the laws" no matter how ridiculous.Don't need much of a brain to be a badge wearing pussy.

  • ive gotten a cop to do a burnout but i was in the middle of knowhere i dont think they care for all i know he mighnt not have been a real cop

  • thats a sweet cutlass

  • in the 60's u can be riding a bike drinkin a friggin liter of beer laying down on ur bike going 50 mph and the cops would stand back and say man that guy is awesome... gj now it sucks i cant drive my muscle car no where without being pulled over fuck cops i hate em

  • @homecubed fuckin pigs suspended my license for 80 in a 60. there just power hungry assholes

  • @matt82288228 How 'bout don't do things you know are illegal and the cops will leave you alone?

  • @damienmetalwind if i did nothing illegal this would be a boring life i was pretty pissed wen i rote that anyway some cops are -ok-

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  • @damienmetalwind but what fun is that? life is more exciting when you take risks sometimes....

  • @02turbotypeS I hear that. My comment was directed at someone who was whining about getting hassled. Maybe I should have said "then don't get caught."

  • ur a douche bag who cares about this part

  • They use to would stand there, watch you, and tell you how cool of a car you have. Now it's all about money & power! Cops are only jerks now. They need to go back to keeping peace only, and stay out of eveyones business. Can't do anything now days. "USA- NO MORE FREEDOM!"

  • @Easyliving2009 its mainly due to the economy. cops are at risk of losing their jobs just like everyone else. ive met a few asshole cops and a few nice ones. im in college atm, one day i left a halfcircle black streak in the parking lot. of course a cop happened to be right there. he told me he was in the same auto class a few years back and told me not to do it again

  • @Easyliving2009 Keeping the peace also includes stopping fucking morons doing burnouts and driving like the fuck wits they are on public roads.

  • @yippe on a dead end road not hurting anyone but themselves... wish i had a bullet for each pig out there...

  • @yippe Geez you sound like a pussy.....

  • @Easyliving2009 Australia is the same! too many bulls#&t laws these days. they do need to go back to keeping the peace.

  • @krmnal50 Fark yeah. i got done for pissy driving in my own driveway! FFS! we were all sitting there having a few drinks out the front of my house, so i jumped in my skyline and turned it on for the boys to hear, next thing i know they come flying around the corner arrest me and i pay $500 fin and get 6 months suspension on my licence. That is just pure bullshit. And the fucking scratched my car when they pulled me out.... fuck heads -_-

  • @Uber2DaMax

    Get out when they tell you to tough guy

  • @Easyliving2009 Bullshit. It's never been like you described. I don't know which cops you gave the reach-around to, but that's never, ever happened here. Or anywhere for that matter. Today, like then, cops' jobs have been threefold: patrol, write tickets and make arrests. That's it. "Protect and Serve", my ass.

  • @SenorSpode They were like that in the 60s and 70s. Or so i'm told by people who drove then

  • @Easyliving2009 i totally agree i got a 400$ ticket driving through a town like a year ago the speed limit was 35 i was clocked doing 34 in a school zone. the thing that pissed me off more was i didn't know i was in the school zone. no break just hand me the fucking bill and walk away thank you Florida government that should almost buy you all a toilet seat

  • @Easyliving2009 dats y canada is good i mean usa rocks bt less freedom unlike canada

  • @Easyliving2009 woh calm down t there. kinda a big statement. but ya burn out isnt going to hurt anyone.... and if it does you probibly deserved it lol

  • @Easyliving2009 thats exactly what my dad told me when i got my ticket for "stunting"

  • did you get a ticket?!?!

  • Were is your freedom hahhahahaha

  • Nice brake stand, did you get a ticket for having a lame car too or just for being a dumb ass?

  • @lawman4675 Ahhhhh! this guys a bitch.

  • @lawman4675  the dick riders are out early lmfaooo GAL fagg

  • @lawman4675  Go drive you're 82 Honda Civic.

  • @Momarr218 Hahaha! I'd rather take my "68" Camaro out for a spin. Even my "2006" Stang is less embarrassing than that thing. If you're going to drive a classic, make sure it's a classic. What is that? A "78" Olds Gut-las?

  • @lawman4675 it's probably a cutlass or a grand prix. They are nice cars man don't judge one before you've owned one. I still prefer my 53 GMC 1/2 ton chopped and shaved and Mopar 440. But I love my 86 Grand Prix, drop a 350 rocket in there and they go like stink! Watch Training day and tell me you don't think that car is SICK.

  • @Momarr218 Amen, my buddy's got a tuned up 98 grand prix and I'm shocked at what it can do, I think he's topped it out around 120mph?

  • @AronFigaro my 98 gtp when it was stock was governed at 129 and would do it easy

  • A traffic ticket... my life is over...

  • ANYONE WHO SAYS SOMEONE WILL BE KISSING THE COPS ASS IF THEIR CAR GETS STOLEN OR IN A WRECK IS WRONG....THEY WOULD BE KISSING THE CAR INSURANCE COMPANIES ASS...COPS DO NOT DO SHIT FOR WRECKS OR STOLEN VEHICLES...THEY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO LIKE...STOP PEOPLE SPEEDING AND MESSING AROUND WITH TEEN DRIVERS.

  • ....meanwhile there are how many missing kids in North America that aren't being looked for...

  • Fuck the police? how bout stop breaking the law u fucking retards

  • @shadowhunter45s YOUR A FAGET.  laws are bullshit created by rich white men to control us and stabilize our country.

  • @ESCOKIDS You complain now but i hope some Hit and runs your car or breaks into your house Then you would be crying to the police to help you

  • @shadowhunter45s i believe in the 2nd amendment i dont need the police

  • @ESCOKIDS

    you say that now now until your car gets stolen or hit. Youl be kissing the cops ass so they will find out who did it for you. Face it laws are there for a reason. too keep order and to keep people safe from morons like you

  • @shadowhunter45s COPS DONT DO SHIT FOR STOLEN OR WRECKED VEHICLES..THEY FILE THEM THEN CARRY ON. THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE THE ONES THAT FIGURE THE SHIT OUT AND ARE THE ONES GETTING THEIR ASSES KISSED..FUCK THE COPS.

  • Not ALL cops are bad you fucking twat liker's .

    Most of you who hate cops, are either niggers, beaners, or white trash.

  • THUMBS UP IF YOU THINK COPS ARE FUCKING MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • To all you "cop" haters, if someone broke into your house, raped your wife and daughter, who would you call? think about it, grow up and learn some respect fools!

  • @EverLastingGobstoppa LOL..cops do not save people, people save people you fuck head...learn some respect FOOL...ah..i see you have to be a cop to be a hero right...DIRTY MOTHA FUCKERZ

  • @gloverage Good comment brain cell!

  • @EverLastingGobstoppa Ghostbusters!!!

  • "I'm going under you" than like the whole top of her head goes through the frame. Way to go there secret agent. lol

  • What's the name of the song?

  • I thought i smelt bacon.stupid pigs.

  • FUCKING  COPS!!

  • kill your self PIG!!

  • i wish i new why burnouts are illigeale, when if you got a huge parking lot, when thers drugs, murders, suercides etc and yet the make the little things seem so RONG, i recon it just depends on what mood the copers in

  • @TheJaydiddymercer

    Reckless endangerment. It dose depend on the mood of the cops, best thing to do is admit what you did and toss yourself on the mercy of "their" court.

    You have to admit this tho, if video got out of cops ignoring this and or rooting them on, they would loose their jobs as some Lib jackass would take this vid and go over the top with it.

  • btw,that chick jinxed him..she said the Wrong thing..if she had said,is he gonna let you go?..the cop might have..but she said is he gonna give you a ticket? instead...

  • | "I'm goin underneath you.." *walks in front of camera* ..... fail

  • cops can't do any thing you are siting still buring rubber

  • ok its not the cops fault the goverments are the ones who enforce the laws

  • @kurtis625 umm yeah..it looked like the goverment pulled him over didnt it..not a cop...rollseyes

  • I don't understand why people are so upset with cops. Traffic violation is a serious matter. More people die every year from traffic accidents that are caused by reckless driving than from homicides.

  • that cars sweet

  • Thats what you get for driving that ugly piece of shit car

  • what a asshole cop you guys were not hurting anything donkey cop

  • I remember seeing some guy do this at an intersection in a small town on a bike. Everyone was hangin out on the corner cheering him on while the cops were sitting directly behind him.

  • rofl.. Once a year here cops would let us do burnouts and shit and didnt care.. Used to have a few cops actually get in on it.. Until some drunk asshole got mad when the cops told them to move back alittle it was unsafe to be so close and shot a beer bottle at the cop. Was the end of the fun.. Cus some asshole was to drunk to realize the cops where being nice and LETTING us do shit

  • this is awesome and all but there is a reason why doing stuff like this is illegal. (for safety reasons).

    id like to do burnouts and learn to drift when i get a little older but i am taking it on track. xD

  • Congrats......

    Its cool.

  • i smell bacon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I don't see why everyone has to hate on the cops. For all you know he could have been enjoying it when some lady walked up and said THOSE GENTLEMAN ARE DISTURBING MY PEACE and blah blah. He probably walked up and made it look like it was a ticket ( or it actually WAS a ticket... in which case that's life)

    just so the other person would be happy and not file complaints about the officer not doing his job and getting a Good cop fired.

  • @Kbrezer

    cops must have somehting better to do then worry about people spinning! go catch the drug dealers and all the thefts! spinnins just a good time and cops who give tickets for it are dumb and arse holes!

  • @lukehogan278 yeah, BUT a ton of people just tryin' to burnout have gone forward, lost control and crashed. let the cops be, just don't be idiot enough to get caught.

  • exacly, BUT some of them are sneaky bastiges. sucks to see a LEO roll THROUGH your smoke cloud

  • Exactly.. Not all cops are assholes.. I got pulled over doing 100 in a 65 and he said only reason he did pull me over was because of a complaint.. and he let me go with a warning and a loud muffler ticket.. rather then losing my licence for another speeding ticket XD

  • @21fuzz21 its mostly the people that give them bad attitudes right away and most of the time that would determine the ticket or not haha. I got pulled over by a trooper for doing 83 in a 65 and got off with a warning. i passed a car going slow and sped up to go around when i got popped. then later on that day i responded to an accident call (im a volunteer firefighter) the same trooper was out there working it and i walked up and she said did you cause this (joking around) i thought it was funny

  • @FireFighter8865 Yeah.. I'm always nice to police at first unless it's over bullshit they pulled me over for no reason. Then i'm a total dick cus i'm pissed i got pulled over for nothing pretty much. haha what is rare ^.^ haha

  • @21fuzz21 and now they just radar for speeders to meet their quota for the month instead of busting real criminals like burglars or druggies!

  • @camaro88iroc I love the ones that always assume because ur young in a nice sports car that has rims exhaust and shit.. that you are a drug dealer. idk how many times ive got pulled over for doing like 35 in a 30 and got searched because they could "smell" the weed on me..like GF havent smoked in 2 years, havent touched it in 2 years either. So gf with smelling something that doesnt exist on me. haha

  • @21fuzz21 sounds like you are a fucking idiot driving like that. ANOTHER speeding ticket... jackass. I would have had your car towed.

  • @195Venom ROFL! You're funny. You could try :) I'd have it out soon as paperwork finished.. So it was pointless. I drive VERY well anyways dipship. Bet i'd be able to do donuts around your ass well you bitch and cry

  • @21fuzz21 if a pig let you go for endangering lives of innocent drivers he is an asshole... and an imbecile ...

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 or your just the asshole and imbecile...

    Did I ever say it was in alot of traffic? no was middle of the night and was like 5 cars whole like 4 hours i was driving doing 100-140 the whole time. So.. yeah dumb fuck. I bet your one of them dumb asses that sees someone flying up and waits until last second and rips infront of them and slamms on ur brakes thinking ur cool but actually your the dumbass endangering people.. Your the type of person on why i drive fast.. to stay away pt2

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 from ignorant douchebags that dono how to drive and want free money from someone hitting them because they're speeding.. Stupid fuck grow a set of balls.

    Someone needs to endanger your fucking life, actually they need to do more.. or do us all a favor and do it yourself..

    Kthnx bia

  • @21fuzz21 maybe you would like to come and and try to endanger it for me ???? i thought not !! what do you think speeding laws are for ??? safety ... i really dont give a fuck if you drive fast or not. was just sayin that the pig was a retard and is wasting my tax dollars.... speed on.....and hopefully you will crash soon and kill someone in your family and yourself as well. rofl

  • when people kill people in self defense all they really get is a probation with a house arrest and all this is harming is the tires and the earth so really he should just get a warning

  • Thats y I hate the cops... If that would have been a young person. BOOM Cuffs towed car.

  • You are a dumb-ass!!! That comment was for "goverage", if you think I'm joking please read his comment. Do you know what the meaning of "Pig" is to a Police Officer? If you do not know, here it is Acronym: "PIGS" stands for Pride Integrity Guts Service (plural extension of PIG as derisive term for police)...

  • dumbass white people

  • you are stupid.

  • Fuckin dumb ass

  • at least he didn't get a ticket...

  • @gloverage

    No, from breaking the law. Excessive show of power is illegal in public.  Take it to a private track and get your jollies off. I don't understand how people get so pissed that they aren't allowed to do whatever the hell they want when they get busted.

  • @ CyberPitz

    Oh christ its not like the guy killed someone like most the fuckin trash out there that the cop should be lookin for. Leave us the fuck alone and let us have our fun. Damn Cops. Never there when ya need em.....ALWAYS there when ya dont. I actually caught one of our so called finest.....SLEEPING in his car while on the job. Protest and serve my ass!!!!!

  • @KWeippert if this is true......... why didnt you do something about it ??? fuck pigs and fuck silly burnouts .

  • lol big fucking deal this guy did a decent burnout in a parking lot, its not like he was in a 140 mph street race flying by soccer moms and miss daisy. the point is this guy really and truly wasnt doing anything wrong but fools like you think they should regulate everyone elses fun.

  • @bigbadbronco86 he did do something wrong... didnt you see the video ? do you think pigs write tickets for no reason?

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 Yes they write tickets for no reason. I would do it.. But you ma'm arnt worth my time, or gas. An' gl with me crashing.. btw car i own has a full roll cage and 4 point harness so not going nowhere with the like .01% chance of crashing dumb fuck... good try tho kid

  • @21fuzz21 so happy for you... hopefully you will run over your worthless children or your mother... and please do it soon... stop crying to me...

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 Bitch and complain about people speeding, and police not doing their jobs.. Well they are.. I wasn't endangering anyone but myself 99% of the drive... He lectured me told me to slow down, and go home.. So I slowed down and went home.. like I had planned.. In fact.. I even told the cop reason it took me a min to pull over cause i wasn't gonna stop at first haha

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 did you not read my comment? the guy did a burnout in a closed area big fucking deal man pigs write tickets everyday for no fucking reason, pigs pull people over everyday for no fucking reason, thats life man and if you dont believe it youre livin in a fantasy world

  • @bigbadbronco86 what am i supposed to do ??? the laws are what they are. if you dont like them talk to your congressmen. lol

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 i dont remember asking you to change anything. i bet your the fuzz too arent you?

  • @bigbadbronco86 you said the guy wasnt doing anything wrong, which clearly he was..... its against the law to do burnouts no matter what you think about it. so he broke the law .. i hate cops . but laws are laws .. like i said if you dont like the laws go see your law makers and have them changed. stop whining to me.....

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 wow ok man that makes no sense seeing as youre the only one whining here lol maybe you need a life? yea i think that could be it, go watch some more techno viking lol

  • @bigbadbronco86 me whine ? are you stupid ? your the one worrying about burnouts. tecnoviking was sent to me in response to another video. not my choice.. i hate fags too, as much as cops and whiners... go do your home work and brush your teeth homo......

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 fag jokes now man? wow its good there isnt an iq requirement to be on youtube or else you'd be doomed haha i say again, you child mollesting inbred, get a life

  • @bigbadbronco86 you dont even know what iq means ..... as you used doomed as a relevance only proves that much.......... "get a life" what does that mean, everyone always says that when things start getting tough for them... think before you type and maybe you wont have to feel so useless..... now go on and finish your homework and take a bath and go to bed.... i will send your mommy home in a couple hours.... check your spelling before you try to insult me..

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 lol youre a funny guy. do you come on youtube and start shit to compensate for being a loser in real life? doe it make you sleep better at night to think you might have possibly hurt someones feelings? lol. youre named after a gun and you run your mouth online, i know thats compensation for something little guy

  • @bigbadbronco86 people with little dicks always bring up the compensation thing.. all you gotta do is ask your sister and mum about it. or you could come to me and let me run it up in your funky ass.... i dont sleep, so out with that theory...i dont give a fuck about your feelings... i run my mouth on line but i kick teeth out in real life.. come and see 4 yourself next time mommy is here..

  • @DESERTEAGLE197o what'd you do dildo, copy and paste that from someone elses comment?? lol youre mentally handicapped

  • @bigbadbronco86 now thats funny.... go on to bed loser

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 youre still at it? hahaha i know it was dipshit

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 HOMO!!! lmao lets run ur dick up another dudes ass thats not gay at all..

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 @DESERTEAGLE1970 lol youre a funny guy. do you come on youtube and start shit to compensate for being a loser in real life? doe it make you sleep better at night to think you might have possibly hurt someones feelings? lol. youre named after a gun and you run your mouth online, i know thats compensation for something little guy

  • @DESERTEAGLE1970 instead of looking for validation thru useless online insults just tell your father to stop touching you there, i bet that would help you more then talkig shit to random people

  • death to tyrants

  • read my comment above (its for you)... ; )

  • for the record, cops don't have these so called "quotas." It's a myth

  • @gloverage Cops dont even have quotas.... you have no idea what your talkin about..... dont do anythign illegal... and you shouldnt be worried about them.... and their job..... right?

  • @coolclown2000 that depends...here in new york state,they Doubled the quotas for the state troopers...and they are out there.

  • @RobsMusicBox

    Well states lookin for money, But also You shouldnt have to worry about quotas if you are not breaking the law, right?

  • @gloverage cops serve tickets to protect their jobs haha

  • @gloverage your so cool. Yet when a group of robbers break into your home and hold you and your family at gun point your going to be crying and begging for the cops. i've seen it a thousand times as a first responder. You make me sick.

  • @marines13r

    By the time the cops get here the situation is usually over....

  • @marines13r You are very right.

  • @gloverage problem is on our cop cars up here in colorado it doesnt say to protect and serve anywhere on there. not my job to do that bud. and there are no quotas by the way.

  • @eizenjin91 LOL..does it say to harass and overpower the public on there..NO..but you guys do it anyway....so what are you trying to tell me you guys dont do that...i already know you dont serve and protect, common sense.

  • @eizenjin91

    Fuck You Sir.

  • @gloverage

    Show some respect, without them you would have been dead before you were even born.

  • @thehalflifedude ummm...dude....in order to be dead you have to be born so if i would have been dead before i was born how the hell does that work??? LOL at another idiot who thinks they know what they are talking about...your comment is SO unbelievably funny...its a JOKE right? LOL....seriously????

  • @gloverage

    If you can't understand that then you really are sad.

    Your MOTHER would have been dead therefore killing YOU before you were even born, it doesn't take much brainpower to think that up and if you can't think that up and instead read it literally then you are a idiot.

    Learn some goddamn spelling and grammar.

  • @thehalflifedude like i said, you have to be born before you are killed...LOL..you just dont get it do you...LOL at that...so are you saying that getting an abortion is murder since they are UMMMM>>>>>KILLING someone..NO because its not born yet so therefore, not killing....and everyone knows that a dumbshit like you could only come back with a grammar debate.......lol..."ah.....lea­rn some grammar and spelling" you feel tough now????? you called me a idiot...hmm not an idiot...AN A LOL..grammar?

  • @thehalflifedude by the way you must really have a pitiful life...how sad...so go fuck a duck and swim with a carp..you would finally get laid. LOL..it is funny you can not anger me...i am so careless that no matter what you say you are wasting your time...so please waste some of your life on chatting with me..you know you love me.

  • @gloverage its reckless driving and there is no quotas

  • @gloverage cops dont have "quotas"

  • @twoxland maybe not quotas but pussey's

  • @twoxland as in your definition of quota they probably do not, but they do have bets and other games they play with how many people they can stop or bust in a day week or month whatever the rules and time limit for the bet is....there have been many cases of cops actually getting fired for these type of bets or quotas...or "QUOTAS" we norms call them...there also was a case where a cop made a bet of 100 bucks he couldnt stop 2 people and he ran 2 car 2 and got struck by a semi truck.sucked in.

  • @gloverage To serve and protect (the courts)

    COURT SAYS ITS NOT RIGHT STEP OUT OF THE CAR PLEASE HURRR DURRRRP

  • @EddyMcK im not sure what you are implying here in your comment, but i hope you understand how twisted the people who think they run this country and the force behind the way they go about their business. the cops are there only to control and to make havoc on earth.

  • @gloverage thats exactly what im implying. the boys in blue used to be a good idea but now they are just corporate thugs who lack common sense

  • @EddyMcK i understand, thats what i thought you meant but i just wanted to clearify before i assumed what i thought you meant and made a comment that offended you an some way. i just like to understand someone before assuming things..makes for a much better internet experience. most of the arguements online are because people are misunderstood. thanks for your time.goodbye.

  • @EddyMcK ur an idiot

  • @EddyMcK common sence is people need not cops or gov dont kill dont steel have fun live free pay with your life

  • @EddyMcK exactly, now they give you a gun and take your brain

  • @gloverage But if he makes quota his wife gets a toaster oven!

  • damn, terrible. there was a civic at this car show I go to, and it wanted to ''prove'' it was bad ass so it just smoked them, right there next to sonic in the parking lot. What an idiot!!! there was a police car driving by as he did it, and he finished off, and he saw lights and heard sirens. soon re-enforcements, and there were a couple people given tickets and I think 1 guy arrested because he had an illegal mod, and was kinda boasting about it.

  • he probably gave him a careless driving ticket thats some bull !@!@