Here in the US, if you tell someone your applying for a job, most likely the first question they will ask s "do they offer helth care?". I knew a waitress who was in debt over $100,000 to a hospital because she became very ill and didn't have health care. I would more than welcome a high tax/benefit system like the one you have in Denmark.
As a proud liberal American, I have only this to say: long live Denmark! And all the other enlightened countries too. Hopefully my country will come out of the dark ages some time soon.
In my country we don`t have a criminal responsibility of artificial persons, because the crime includes culpability. Culpability in our law system is defined as inner (psychic) attitude of the offender to his unlawfull behaviour. An artificial person is not a human beeing, it`s just an abstract construction, it doesn`t have a mind. This is already a classical problem of modern law. How to break the corporate nutshell? How to impose proper responsibility? Who is really responsible?
I totall agree about living in a civilised country, One of my friends had 3 liver transplants in a 2 year period. Here in Ireland if you need a transplant, you go on the list, no questions.
Why do you brits have such bad teeth? If your health care system is so great, why is that that ever scot I've ever met has the choppers of a great white land shark?
Don't know about the brits, since I'm not one. I'm Danish. In Denmark, dental care is one of the two exceptions (which some of us including me are arguing against) to general health care coverage. The other being optical aids (ie. glasses or, as in my case, contacts).
I finally diagree with you on something, yup I'm a liberatarian. Look people the transplated was covered by their health plan. Now the company could give it to her anyway spending 500,000 to extend to girl's life by maybe 1-3 years or spend that money saving 10 other people's lives who don't cancers with a low 5 year survival rate. Step back from emotional responses and take a logical response. Now stop using robbery(taking by force) to support your oppressive uncivilized government.
We already have this, it's called Medicaid and it'll be bankrupt in a few years. The fact of the matter is this, if you let the government manage it, either a. quality of care goes down for everyone b. it goes bankrupt or requires obscene amounts of taxation to support, then goes bankrupt 20 years later. Besides how do you justify stealing money from people, by force. If it was mob robbing someone you'd arrest the mob, but get 300 million people together and it becomes legal?
Danish system seems to work pretty ok... Not the best health care that money can buy, and yes we pay obscene taxes... But generally, it's pretty darn good, and actually there's a majority of citizens in Denmark who'd prefer to pay more to get better health care, according to a recent survey. I'm one of them, btw.
Well your argument is already flawed becaus there are many health care systems that run using uhc abroad and thay far out do the american system.
The simple facts are that americans pay more per person and get less treatment per person
compared to say the french or swedish.
Also you pay for fire army etc why not health? i wouldnt call it stealing, if you would really have prblems paying a few extra dollers to save someone life, then i would have no problems taxing you.
Actually no, I have a better change of survival for almost every disease, or trauma even in the US under my health care plan than I would in any other nation on the planet. Yes not everyone can afford that plan, and that sucks, however I earned it. What gives anyone the right to take years off my life and give them others?
If you would rather let people go untreated, then I wouldnt think twice about taxing you a few dollers a month so that anyone can get free health care!
No, that's not correct. I have a better chance of surviving almost every disease in the US under my current health care plan than anywhere else in the world. Why do you think so many people come to the US every year for various treatments and procedures? As for you having no problems taxing me, what if I want to take that money and save someones life, but I can't, because you stole that money from me? What gives you the right to "play god"?
Sorry for the duplicate, I lost my connection after I hit post, and though it didn't, so I re-typed it. As for the Army, it's ok to fund that because it's in the constitution. Fire and police etc... are local government powers. What isn't ok is the way we fund them, income tax is outright violent robbery(threat of kidnapping and imprisonment). The only acceptable tax system are forms of sales tax on luxuries or sales tax with rebate on necessities(fair tax).
Some people have this kind of knee-jerk reaction to the idea of taking ANY idea from unpleasant political ideologies, even though suck political ideologies occupy oposite ends of the political spectrum, paticularly Fascism and Communism.
I am a Democrat, But I think on the subject of health insurance, as much as I disagree with most of their OTHER ideas, I think the Commies got it right.
That's what I said. Can they? Don't know. Should they? Fuck yeah!
The main tricky part is who specifically to punish? As you said, individual prophet without individual responsibility The guy most directly responsible wouyld be some low-level bureucrat who was just doing exactly what someone above him told him to do. Therefore, you have to punish the entire company.
Regarding health case here in the USA, when both of my ears were infected I was unable to pay for a doctor or the medication to clear the infection and thus save my hearing (and ease a hell of a lot of pain). I used expired veterinarian antibiotics from a horseback riding stable to save my ears. Millions of USA citizens ain't even got that!
the good side of libertarianism though, if you believe in the evolution of human spirit, is that evolving the species, as an individual, would be totally up to each individual (through free will, if you believe in it) and therefore would be authentic, not manufactured, evolution
I was just hanging with a corporation lawyer thursday and she said the first thing you learn is a corporation is a person under the law. So it's an interesting case. They'll settle out of court.
In my opinion there never was a real free market as there never was any real socialism ever. I think this ideologies just don´t work in the real world when tried to be imposed exclusively.
I think you have a point, but I'm not sure precicely what you mean by free market and socialism. I can tell you that communism's never been tried. In theory the workers are meant to control the capital, but in practice, the government does.
You just have to be more specific if you want to make your point arguable, that's all.
Well, this is the comment section of YT where I have to squeeze my thoughts into less then 500 letters.
My main point is, there is no 100% perfect ideology. The free market works, but if we want a somewhat fair and humane society we need some checks and balances.
As a Canadian with Universal Health Care, I agree with you. America needs to wake up and stop letting insurance companies, and groups like the AMA, control there health care while making profits.
My government teacher says that Canada's national health care was a bad move because it takes months to get a liver transplant etc.,is that true?(He's a conservative by the way, so I bet he watches Fixed(FOX)News)
"My government teacher says that Canada's national health care was a bad move because it takes months to get a liver transplant"
I can't speak for Canada, but most public services have the drawback of waiting lines. However, in the specific case of getting transplants it's likely more a case of not enough donors. The supply-demand problem is kinda turned on its head when everyone can afford the operation.
as an american with a canadian girlfriend, i've spent a lot of time in canada and with canadians. while i think government sponsored universal health care is great, i know that some canadians (particularly those with wealth) want to have the option of corporate backed health care. i mean, they even talk about it on the CBC... neither the american health care system nor canadian one is great, but universal coverage is unqualitatively superior to no coverage what so ever.
never understood why a system can't have both. Universal care for everyone, and then for an extra fee (above the payout from the health care) either via insurance or lump sums, you get "special" care.
Why are they exclusive to each other? Seems obvious to me. The rich bitches can keep their short waiting and stop bitching. Problem solved
Here in Denmark, we run a combination scheme. Basically, the government runs most of the hospitals, and if you don't mind waiting your turn, you can have all the free health care you can wish for. But if you can afford it, you can pay for a private doctor or hospital (or the company you work for can, or you can take out an extra insurance, or whatever).
The government guarantees a certain maximum waiting period. If they exceed that, they actually pay for the entire deal at a private hospital.
I'm not really sure how it works if you pay to jump the queue in the first place ;o) I've never been that rich. But it's a good bet that the government still pays at least some of it.
many people confuse actual income with adjusted income
you take for example, my dad was a union worker (ironworker) and made around $25 an hour.
But if you took in all the bennies he made around $60 an hour.
Now if you converted the medical from the company to a tax, will it effect your overall income? Not at all!
Only time it makes any difference is when you aren't paying for it out of your pocket initially. But if assuming you're willing to pay it, it makes no difference
First, I love it when you say .02 units of assorited currency -- even if you stole it ;)
Second, as a libertarian, I don't just say shit happens, but as someone whose ideas are undergoing rapid change, I can absolutely see why you'd think that, and I can absolutely understand why socialized healthcare works...
I'm going to chew on this a while, and get back to ya in a few months... ;)
Hello again applestar! ;) I've been kinda sliding around on the political curve for many years, beginning in my teen years as a full on socialist, moving by my mid 20's to a full on Libertarian. Since then I've been sliding back towards socialism. As recently as 2000, I called myself a "Progressive Libertarian". (1/3)
Now, due largely to the US health care situation and the facist regime of W and his Rep congress 2000-2006, I call myself a "Libertarian Progressive" and have thrown in pretty strongly with the Dems. The RepubliCONs are clearly facist, and as libertarians as a group, we bear significant responsibility for bringing them to power, where they only abused that power. They no longer deserve ANY libertarian support.
I really hope that enough other people of a libertarian leaning can see how badly the republicans have lived up to the promises they made to us to get themselves in power. There is no form of government further from the libertarian ideals than the fascist kleptocracy they have built on our backs.
Yea I agree they should be responsible for whatever there actions caused good or bad, I want to move to France, UK, or some other place I saw SickO and sounds great
Actually, if they were convicted they would most likely end up having a Judge running their company for the length of a probation term. I don't think they would enjoy that but it's still a damn sight short of taking a human life.
Well, I guess it's a reasonable compromise between what the government would prefer (ie. doing nothing to keep getting the money from the corporation) and what the people want (ie. to see them all hang, or for the slightly less bloodthirsty something like what I proposed) ;o)
Agreed. Also, the problem with socialized public services is that they are usually organized in such a manner that removes competition. Then you have a bunch of employees trying to do the bare minimum because anything extra isn't rewarded. If you could preserve competition and incentive it would work nicely, though.
another hit out of the ball park capt. ....you GOOOOooogooooo~!
planthi80 1 year ago
Civilization together with Simcity (not societies) make up the best games ever released!
in my opinion. :)
KamratSvenneryd 3 years ago
CIV ftw
f1rz3nz3r0 3 years ago
it can be done. A corporation can be charged with murder.
The CORPORATION: A Legal Person?
watch?v=vo0T8Ym8RW4
jaekent 3 years ago
I liked that Civilization 4 quote too when I first saw it lol.
MyPisceanNature 4 years ago
You have free healthcare in Denmark? Aww man, the US sucks at that, it really gets annoying when we need it the most...:(
maturekid1993 4 years ago
Here in the US, if you tell someone your applying for a job, most likely the first question they will ask s "do they offer helth care?". I knew a waitress who was in debt over $100,000 to a hospital because she became very ill and didn't have health care. I would more than welcome a high tax/benefit system like the one you have in Denmark.
KameWaOni 4 years ago
As a proud liberal American, I have only this to say: long live Denmark! And all the other enlightened countries too. Hopefully my country will come out of the dark ages some time soon.
civisromae 4 years ago
ja, danmark har et dejligt sygesikringssystem :-)
conspiracydude90210 4 years ago
The Scientology crime syndicate is routinely held criminally liable for their homicides and frauds. It's not nearly opften enough, of course.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
Of course, they have "religion" to hide behind. If it weren't for that, I bet their crime syndicate could be totally disolved.
civisromae 4 years ago
In my country we don`t have a criminal responsibility of artificial persons, because the crime includes culpability. Culpability in our law system is defined as inner (psychic) attitude of the offender to his unlawfull behaviour. An artificial person is not a human beeing, it`s just an abstract construction, it doesn`t have a mind. This is already a classical problem of modern law. How to break the corporate nutshell? How to impose proper responsibility? Who is really responsible?
jazzvec 4 years ago
Subscribed.
Geoz21 4 years ago
I totall agree about living in a civilised country, One of my friends had 3 liver transplants in a 2 year period. Here in Ireland if you need a transplant, you go on the list, no questions.
yellowlabrador 4 years ago
Why do you brits have such bad teeth? If your health care system is so great, why is that that ever scot I've ever met has the choppers of a great white land shark?
stuart20017 4 years ago
we are realist where we live and don't care for asthetics lol. And plz don't call me a brit, there is island called britain not a country.
RustyK94 4 years ago
Don't know about the brits, since I'm not one. I'm Danish. In Denmark, dental care is one of the two exceptions (which some of us including me are arguing against) to general health care coverage. The other being optical aids (ie. glasses or, as in my case, contacts).
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
@CapnOrdinar you are on the mark...i've been to denmark and how i wish we had such a health system..
planthi80 1 year ago
Your using a racial stereotype as an argument agasint goverment run health care????
reckingmachine 4 years ago
It was a joke!
stuart20017 4 years ago
I didnt realise racisim was funny, thanks im now an enlightend person!
reckingmachine 4 years ago
I finally diagree with you on something, yup I'm a liberatarian. Look people the transplated was covered by their health plan. Now the company could give it to her anyway spending 500,000 to extend to girl's life by maybe 1-3 years or spend that money saving 10 other people's lives who don't cancers with a low 5 year survival rate. Step back from emotional responses and take a logical response. Now stop using robbery(taking by force) to support your oppressive uncivilized government.
subach 4 years ago
Money shouldnt be an issue though should it???
especially when it comes to peoples health.
This is why companies should not run ANY short of health care. It should all be goverment run paid by taxes, its the ownly fair way.
reckingmachine 4 years ago
We already have this, it's called Medicaid and it'll be bankrupt in a few years. The fact of the matter is this, if you let the government manage it, either a. quality of care goes down for everyone b. it goes bankrupt or requires obscene amounts of taxation to support, then goes bankrupt 20 years later. Besides how do you justify stealing money from people, by force. If it was mob robbing someone you'd arrest the mob, but get 300 million people together and it becomes legal?
subach 4 years ago
Danish system seems to work pretty ok... Not the best health care that money can buy, and yes we pay obscene taxes... But generally, it's pretty darn good, and actually there's a majority of citizens in Denmark who'd prefer to pay more to get better health care, according to a recent survey. I'm one of them, btw.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
so is canada (health care wise)
999VINCENT666 4 years ago
Well your argument is already flawed becaus there are many health care systems that run using uhc abroad and thay far out do the american system.
The simple facts are that americans pay more per person and get less treatment per person
compared to say the french or swedish.
Also you pay for fire army etc why not health? i wouldnt call it stealing, if you would really have prblems paying a few extra dollers to save someone life, then i would have no problems taxing you.
reckingmachine 4 years ago
Actually no, I have a better change of survival for almost every disease, or trauma even in the US under my health care plan than I would in any other nation on the planet. Yes not everyone can afford that plan, and that sucks, however I earned it. What gives anyone the right to take years off my life and give them others?
subach 4 years ago
If you would rather let people go untreated, then I wouldnt think twice about taxing you a few dollers a month so that anyone can get free health care!
reckingmachine 4 years ago
No, that's not correct. I have a better chance of surviving almost every disease in the US under my current health care plan than anywhere else in the world. Why do you think so many people come to the US every year for various treatments and procedures? As for you having no problems taxing me, what if I want to take that money and save someones life, but I can't, because you stole that money from me? What gives you the right to "play god"?
subach 4 years ago
Sorry for the duplicate, I lost my connection after I hit post, and though it didn't, so I re-typed it. As for the Army, it's ok to fund that because it's in the constitution. Fire and police etc... are local government powers. What isn't ok is the way we fund them, income tax is outright violent robbery(threat of kidnapping and imprisonment). The only acceptable tax system are forms of sales tax on luxuries or sales tax with rebate on necessities(fair tax).
subach 4 years ago
Some people have this kind of knee-jerk reaction to the idea of taking ANY idea from unpleasant political ideologies, even though suck political ideologies occupy oposite ends of the political spectrum, paticularly Fascism and Communism.
I am a Democrat, But I think on the subject of health insurance, as much as I disagree with most of their OTHER ideas, I think the Commies got it right.
dechha1981 4 years ago 3
Throwing out the Baby with the Bathwater! that's the term I was looking for.
dechha1981 4 years ago 2
That's what I said. Can they? Don't know. Should they? Fuck yeah!
The main tricky part is who specifically to punish? As you said, individual prophet without individual responsibility The guy most directly responsible wouyld be some low-level bureucrat who was just doing exactly what someone above him told him to do. Therefore, you have to punish the entire company.
dechha1981 4 years ago 3
I agree, completely.
DeusMortemEst 4 years ago
short, to the point, and cutting through any and all bullshit. Bravo
cehbeach 4 years ago
Socialized healthcare FTW!
themaxxxi 4 years ago
I'm just like you: socialistlike in the sense of high taxes, free health care, free education, etc.
but liberal in a sense of freedom, democracy, etc.
philip1201 4 years ago
A wonderul job. We too, feel the same way about our taxes. We gladly pay them. We are proud to pay them.
nicanicabad 4 years ago
<--lawyer
A corp cannot be charged with murder.
A corp can be liable for any number of issues. Piercing the corporate veil and going after the shareholders directly is difficult.
superfisto 4 years ago
May I start a corperation and become a serial killer then? Oh, what fun!
I am joking... don't worry. Hmm... should I start my own corperation? *ponders*
That80sGuy1972 4 years ago
Incorporating a business is a rather benign and painless process.
A corp cannot be charged with murder because only people can be charged with murder.
superfisto 4 years ago
I want to defect to your country. The USA here is really going down the tubes.
That80sGuy1972 4 years ago
It's nearly impossible to move here.
nicanicabad 4 years ago
where do you live im sure in around england but somewhere around there?
nailo1 4 years ago
I live in Denmark. I've actually only spent two weeks total of my life in England (London, specifically).
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Regarding health case here in the USA, when both of my ears were infected I was unable to pay for a doctor or the medication to clear the infection and thus save my hearing (and ease a hell of a lot of pain). I used expired veterinarian antibiotics from a horseback riding stable to save my ears. Millions of USA citizens ain't even got that!
Desertphile 4 years ago 2
i love the way you speak
naomi94 4 years ago
the good side of libertarianism though, if you believe in the evolution of human spirit, is that evolving the species, as an individual, would be totally up to each individual (through free will, if you believe in it) and therefore would be authentic, not manufactured, evolution
NitaBMe 4 years ago
great video... I agree with your stance on libertarianism, It's one of the many things that works only if the majority of the people would
1) continuously remain aware of the needs of those less fortunate in their immediate locality
2) consider it the responsibility of their community to help the unfortunate in their locality
NitaBMe 4 years ago
3) created funds or systems of labor within the community designated to "healing" each particular "ill"
4) every community member would contribute without being forced to do so and no one would be judged for their lack of participation
NitaBMe 4 years ago
I was just hanging with a corporation lawyer thursday and she said the first thing you learn is a corporation is a person under the law. So it's an interesting case. They'll settle out of court.
nadiaTeeze 4 years ago
nadia,
Except that under the current US administration, that's a person who has more rights than you or me.
CousinoMacul 4 years ago
Great vid.
TheSockWithNoName 4 years ago
It seems like a lot of people think the
"free market" will solve everything.
And it does.... as long as you got enough money.
In my opinion there never was a real free market as there never was any real socialism ever. I think this ideologies just don´t work in the real world when tried to be imposed exclusively.
DeletedDelusion 4 years ago
I think you have a point, but I'm not sure precicely what you mean by free market and socialism. I can tell you that communism's never been tried. In theory the workers are meant to control the capital, but in practice, the government does.
You just have to be more specific if you want to make your point arguable, that's all.
civisromae 4 years ago
You´re right I wasen´t specific enough.
Well, this is the comment section of YT where I have to squeeze my thoughts into less then 500 letters.
My main point is, there is no 100% perfect ideology. The free market works, but if we want a somewhat fair and humane society we need some checks and balances.
DeletedDelusion 4 years ago
As a Canadian with Universal Health Care, I agree with you. America needs to wake up and stop letting insurance companies, and groups like the AMA, control there health care while making profits.
outta111 4 years ago
My government teacher says that Canada's national health care was a bad move because it takes months to get a liver transplant etc.,is that true?(He's a conservative by the way, so I bet he watches Fixed(FOX)News)
imlaughing2death 4 years ago
"My government teacher says that Canada's national health care was a bad move because it takes months to get a liver transplant"
I can't speak for Canada, but most public services have the drawback of waiting lines. However, in the specific case of getting transplants it's likely more a case of not enough donors. The supply-demand problem is kinda turned on its head when everyone can afford the operation.
olavka 4 years ago
as an american with a canadian girlfriend, i've spent a lot of time in canada and with canadians. while i think government sponsored universal health care is great, i know that some canadians (particularly those with wealth) want to have the option of corporate backed health care. i mean, they even talk about it on the CBC... neither the american health care system nor canadian one is great, but universal coverage is unqualitatively superior to no coverage what so ever.
mobileterror 4 years ago
never understood why a system can't have both. Universal care for everyone, and then for an extra fee (above the payout from the health care) either via insurance or lump sums, you get "special" care.
Why are they exclusive to each other? Seems obvious to me. The rich bitches can keep their short waiting and stop bitching. Problem solved
unclexbob 4 years ago
Here in Denmark, we run a combination scheme. Basically, the government runs most of the hospitals, and if you don't mind waiting your turn, you can have all the free health care you can wish for. But if you can afford it, you can pay for a private doctor or hospital (or the company you work for can, or you can take out an extra insurance, or whatever).
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
but I assume the private companies are at least partially subsidized by the universal health care system, correct?
IE, you're not paying for the UHC through taxes, and then paying everything for the private services at the same time?
unclexbob 4 years ago
The government guarantees a certain maximum waiting period. If they exceed that, they actually pay for the entire deal at a private hospital.
I'm not really sure how it works if you pay to jump the queue in the first place ;o) I've never been that rich. But it's a good bet that the government still pays at least some of it.
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
many people confuse actual income with adjusted income
you take for example, my dad was a union worker (ironworker) and made around $25 an hour.
But if you took in all the bennies he made around $60 an hour.
Now if you converted the medical from the company to a tax, will it effect your overall income? Not at all!
Only time it makes any difference is when you aren't paying for it out of your pocket initially. But if assuming you're willing to pay it, it makes no difference
unclexbob 4 years ago
First, I love it when you say .02 units of assorited currency -- even if you stole it ;)
Second, as a libertarian, I don't just say shit happens, but as someone whose ideas are undergoing rapid change, I can absolutely see why you'd think that, and I can absolutely understand why socialized healthcare works...
I'm going to chew on this a while, and get back to ya in a few months... ;)
applestar132 4 years ago
Hello again applestar! ;) I've been kinda sliding around on the political curve for many years, beginning in my teen years as a full on socialist, moving by my mid 20's to a full on Libertarian. Since then I've been sliding back towards socialism. As recently as 2000, I called myself a "Progressive Libertarian". (1/3)
renegade4dio 4 years ago
(continued 2/3)
Now, due largely to the US health care situation and the facist regime of W and his Rep congress 2000-2006, I call myself a "Libertarian Progressive" and have thrown in pretty strongly with the Dems. The RepubliCONs are clearly facist, and as libertarians as a group, we bear significant responsibility for bringing them to power, where they only abused that power. They no longer deserve ANY libertarian support.
renegade4dio 4 years ago 2
(continued 3/3)
I really hope that enough other people of a libertarian leaning can see how badly the republicans have lived up to the promises they made to us to get themselves in power. There is no form of government further from the libertarian ideals than the fascist kleptocracy they have built on our backs.
renegade4dio 4 years ago 2
what country do u live in cause i am movin' in
;) seriously though i consider myself a "conservative and i still see the need for fed insurance
skywolf1969 4 years ago
I live in Denmark :) and I definitely recommend it.
I've actually voted for the conservative party here on several occasions ;o)
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Yea I agree they should be responsible for whatever there actions caused good or bad, I want to move to France, UK, or some other place I saw SickO and sounds great
EvanTheAgnostic 4 years ago
I completely agree with you, and I now I believe I'll play Civ4.
Bis4Ben 4 years ago
Go Civ 4!
SaimDI 4 years ago
Actually, if they were convicted they would most likely end up having a Judge running their company for the length of a probation term. I don't think they would enjoy that but it's still a damn sight short of taking a human life.
ReligionIsACrutch 4 years ago
Well, I guess it's a reasonable compromise between what the government would prefer (ie. doing nothing to keep getting the money from the corporation) and what the people want (ie. to see them all hang, or for the slightly less bloodthirsty something like what I proposed) ;o)
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
Agreed. Also, the problem with socialized public services is that they are usually organized in such a manner that removes competition. Then you have a bunch of employees trying to do the bare minimum because anything extra isn't rewarded. If you could preserve competition and incentive it would work nicely, though.
ReligionIsACrutch 4 years ago
ahha i love civ 4 too.
where are you from? sounds like Canada.
LtotheP0859 4 years ago
Denmark, actually ;o) never been to Canada (never left Europe, in fact).
CapnOrdinary 4 years ago
rather live in europe than america vote scottish independence
RustyK94 4 years ago