Fretless Guitar Improv

[TauKotoni]

I neede TABs for this.

[Hungry27]

@TauKotoni I suggest that you try and figure it out using your ears. It's good for you!! :-)

[9am53]

@TauKotoni

that's awesome...lol

[MrRodrigez]

@TauKotoni they're 111111111111111111111111111111­11111111

[JayLovePlaysGuitar]

Where did you buy your vigier?

[Hungry27]

Ebay

[Greenless001]

nice

[CrimsonCleff]

sick lick :)

[Hungry27]

Thanks for the compliment. Now that I've been playing this guitar a few years the visuals are not so important. I originally ripped the frets from a guitar and filled the slots, but the sustain on the higher strings is very poor! This Vigier has a metal fingerboard and makes the notes really sing.... but don't let that stop you!!

[pswoods]

Very nice music. On the markers, if you want more visual, do like bass players and yank the frets from a normal neck. You can fill in the .023" slots with contrasting veneer, sand flat, and epoxy over top. That's what Jaco did - been the normal process since. I have a wonderful old P bass that I added a J pickup to and did this fretless conversion - very easy to play and sounds great. Hearing this vid has me eying my guitars, wondering which one is due for fretual reassignment surgery.

[atypicalmystery]

dang. that looks like hours of fun.

[grahamm13]

so is it hard to bend?

[Moby43]

is like violin notes

[guitar17johnny]

if it wasn't for the feelings towards my guitar, I would do the same. would be really interesting.

anyway, thumbs up,

johnny

[kodfod]

everyone know that founder of fretless guitar os erkan ogur

[gagagreen]

@kodfod Yes Yes Yes!!!!! Erkan has the proper music

[CrispinDan]

amazin fusion playin right there!!

[Fishies125]

Nice!

[Deanosius]

Fuk that!, Guitar hard enough as it is.

[beatdeat]

There are still dots on the top of the neck, right? At the third, fifth, seventh, and so on?

[Hungry27]

@beatdeat Yep and the edge lines where the frets would have been but that really only helps on the lower strings it's really about hand position like violin etc

[Swampinator]

any fret buzz? ;)

[Hungry27]

@Swampinator constantly there's only one fret!!

[Theblob516]

@Hungry27 Liar!! You said this was a fretless guitar! XD

[12ozElephant]

I'm ripping the frets off my cheap ass squire strat as soon as I get another guitar!!! :D

[3dpaper]

whats the difference between no frets and w/frets?(besides the frets)

[thisismy7thusername]

@3dpaper Usually a darker and less "attack-y" sound

[vomiol]

@3dpaper I love you

[contact1araya]

paint where the frets should be......problem solved

[Hungry27]

what problem? :-)

[pcbbasscolaveccia]

@contact1araya But that won't necessarily be where the notes are on a fretless.

[cph645]

@contact1araya sounds like something I would do lol

[evonai]

can u use this guitar as a normal one? i mean powerchords, fast solos, harmonics/pinch harmonics etc..? thanks!

[shredmetalmike]

always wanted a fretless

[BlackDiamond351]

how are you at fretless nowadays?

[G1le]

Anyone else think that qead0828 is pretty pompous? Anyone can claim that they have perfect pitch and/or relative pitch in a youtube comment but trust me that proves nothing I know that from experience.

[qead0828]

I only claimed that I had PP because I was explaining what PP/RP was. And I don't know if it came out that way, but I was only suggesting what I know from experience.

[psychotikpaisano]

All in favor say aye..

AYE!

[Canadianspunge]

The thing is, you end up with relative pitch if you have perfect pitch, as long as you know the alphabet. If you can tell how far apart A and B are, then you can tell where they are relative to each other, as well as being able to just pull them out of the air

[qead0828]

Yes I agree with you about being able to develop relative pitch when you have perfect pitch. My point is they're not the same thing

[Canadianspunge]

I know they're not the same thing! Sorry for that misunderstanding =P

[joestaff621]

that must be a bitch to play

[Hungry27]

Nah not really I'm a genius!! ;-)

[wolfenschwein]

Reminds me of Shawn Lane! THANKS! 5+

[lkk888lkk]

virtuoso scontato

[ChrisJefferiesMusic]

that was AWESOME. that sounds soooooo cool!

[dilbert103]

this is the vigier model that bumblefoot uses? am i right?

[BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12]

well he has a signature model,but that's not fretless they make 2 different fretless models,they're basically the same though just different finish options and I think 1's made of different woods

[dilbert103]

yeah i no he has a signature excalibur model, but he uses a fretless one as well ,but i dont think that its another signature, im pretty sure its a surfretter

[BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12]

yeah that's what it is

[dilbert103]

thought so

[arrestedshrimp]

how do you know that your going to hit the right note without frets?

[n64321]

just like violinist, by ear

[kratanuva725]

i'd think that it's more muscle memory than ear.

if it was all by ear, you would have to have perfect pitch, which not too many people have (not to be confused with relitive pitch, which any musicain worth his salt has)

[fjferd]

perfect pitch aint gonna help you with fretless playing. relative pitch is used which is why a lot of the time open strings are played against notes as a reference. It is all by ear btw

[langestock]

perfect pitch covers relative pitch

[qead0828]

No offence intended but it just simply doesn't.. Perfect pitch is being able to hear individual absoulte notes without reference. Relative pitch is being able to hear a quality of sound produced by the different intervals of notes. eg, if you have a Gmaj7#11 chord. Perfect pitch is the part that tells you it's G. The relative pitch tells you it's a maj7#11. To have a good ear, you need relative pitch even if you have perfect pitch.

[langestock]

wow only 25 mins ago. youre right, but we're sort of dancing around the same idea. a perfect pitch can distinguish a note without reference, for example, if you played a perfect pitch a computerised drone at 375 hz, he'd say "just flat of middle A" they can tell if its in tune or not is what im getting at. perfect pitch should cover relative pitch and all that

[qead0828]

Perfect pitch doesn't cover relative pitch.. (I know from experience!) While you can 'figure out' that the chord is in fact Gmaj7#11. It will require you to hear each note separately than work out what chord those notes create which is a very slow process (although some people are reasonably fast at it) This process also requires you to know all the background theory and such.. Trust me it is easier to develop relative pitch :)

[langestock]

perfect pitch is a gift, its something youre either born with or not. ive seen 3 year olds, blindfolded, naming random notes and chords instantly when played to on a piano. therell no doubt be videos like that on youtube.

[qead0828]

Like I said, I am speaking from experience.. besides perfect pitch is something you can develop. (and there are researches done about it) I didn't have perfect pitch until I was around 8 ~ 9. I started playing the piano when I was 4 so I think I know what I mean :0. Ok, anyone with perfect pitch can name random notes but random chords require them to have relative pitch. (Like I said they can figure it out without relative pitch but with theory. But that is not 'instantly')

[Canadianspunge]

Perfect pitch and relative pitch are the EXACT SAME THING the only difference is that perfect pitch needs no point of reference, relative pitch does. So there.

[qead0828]

While you point about needing no point of reference is correct, they are not the same thing. Yes they are both ways of identifying the notes but there is a big difference. You should read my post carefully. And by the way, I don't know if you noticed but I actually have perfect pitch and relative pitch (i said this in the post)

[davie5555]

Dude, I've watched your videos and you don't have "perfect" pitch. And you DEFINTALEY don't have perfect timing.

[qead0828]

first of all, I know i don't have perfect timing and it's a thing I'm working on. secondly, i don't know how to prove this to you but I do have perfect pitch. If your talking about the tuning. It has nothing to do with PP. Having perfect pitch doesn't make you play exactly in tune, sometimes I get as much as semitone off.

[emixolydian]

not necessarily.

[GuyWithNoHat]

@kratanuva725 Unless the musician has no salt. :D

[Guitareben]

@kratanuva725 No, you could do it all with relative pitch, as long as you had one note. Anyway, i think it is combination of muscle memory and ear. I mean, you need ear to get the notes and licks and scales in the first place, then muscle memory

[kratanuva725]

@Guitareben But what if the song dosen't have any open strings you can use for a refrence pitch?

I suppose you don't really need one unless you are playing with other instruments though, and if you were playing with other instruments, they would act as refrence ptiches.

[fjferd]

You know most frets are out of tune anyway.

[megedemegede]

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[umuttx]

listen ERKAN OGUR dude and see how to play fretless guitar!!!

[johnaiton]

Beautiful.

[DMEB]

nice tone too!!! very strange sound though... are there any indicators of the frets on the top of the neck?

[Steve128967]

Yeah there are fret markers on top, otherwise that would be a BITCH too play.

[DMEB]

sounds nice man.. whats the fret board made of? its very smooth lookin..

[Orlyhax]

Not really, classical strings have no frets or dots.

[Steve128967]

I know, by top I mean the side of the fretboard (fingerboard I should say). It's difficult to play strings in tune, is what I meant.

[Zebonka]

Dayum .. !

Did you take the frets off yourself or is this a purpose built?

If so, are they pricey?

[Hungry27]

Vigier Surfreter check out the website

I got mine on ebay 2nd hand. If they have no distributor in your country I'd buy direct from them

[Zebonka]

Thanks!! I'll definitely be having a look.

[aznanthony978]

that's awesome......a fretless guitar...

[ArkAngelHFB]

aparently you made this comment before becoming a complete jerkoff

[Hungry27]

THis new guitar has a metal fingerboard which gives great sustain. Having the old fret lines can be an advantage if you are new to fretless, but ultimately you need to train your hands and ears to get the notes you want and their intonation.

Good luck have fun and welcome to the wonderful world of fretless guitar!!

[Hungry27]

I'd go for a fixed bridge, you can do a lot of sliding stuff anyway, harmonics can be slid too! My first fretless had a Floyd Rose and it was fine,but I rareley used the Whammy. I guess it depends if you are building from scratch or converting a guitar, which is what I did.

[ashleycoles]

the sound is amazing, i'm making a guitar soon probably fretless, never played fretless before, would it work with a floyd rose type system? or would a fixed bridge(string through) be better?

[zpermone]

now thats fret less

[cchhrriissttt]

Really good !

[3PupsMusic]

Very nice, I like the phrasing. Newbie Brad

[Hungry27]

Cheers man. You gonna be at the Fretless Festival in NYC this year?

Tom

[3PupsMusic]

Too many variables right now including I'm not invited! The one in Holland in November was great. Haven't been to the NY one since 2005. Another thing, I have to get some live performance vids made and pop them onto YouTube, I love your fretless vids and all the other ones I see on YT nowadays. It's great, I want to be part of it. Newbie Brad

[Zebonka]

That's a brilliant sound, man.

[agricola666]

perfect!!

[Hungry27]

Hi the guitar is a Vigier Surfreter check out their website. Its a fantastic instrument. Not sure exactly what I was playing, sounds like groups of 5 i was just improvising... i don,t really play specific patterns but I have practiced lots of things over the years Ive been playing for over 30 years! I can have a listen when i get access to a computer with sound im in Europe until Jan and dont have regular net access.

[daranji]

what brand and model is it man? and would u please tell me that last fast part what pattern r u doing? is it with pull offs and hammer-ons or is it just counterpickin? id apriciate it if u could answer me. and ill put five stars and favorite it if u do and show it to many friends to do the same.