After the 40days in the desert, Jesus Christ went out of his way to find 12 that would be his Apostels! But, in the mormon church, it is alleged he settled for one dude. Jesus Christ promised the 12 that satan would not prevail against his Church which includes Heaven and Earth, so, apostacy never happened. If the Church was apostate when you say it was, then the Holy Bible is an apostacy and you must reject it because only bad fruit can come from a bad tree. The mormon church is suspect.
@forty8r Now I wonder how long it will take to figure out Christianity is a false cult too and jesus nothing more than a made-up comic book type character. All religion is BS.
@stanleysteama You need to learn the difference in Religion and Relationship. That's what Jesus Christ is offering, not Religion. He was harder on Religious leaders than anyone else.
@Elfinio Sin is just whatever Yahweh doesn't like, and he likes himself a lot. Saying he's sinless in meaningless, the only implication being his massive, massive ego.
"YOU PEOPLE DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SIN.. " You people? That's usually a racist comment, so what on earth are you referring to?
@Elfinio The father of his father. We don't know his name, at least not that I know of. And you ignored the point. Where in hebrew scripture does it say god would take human form? It doesn't. Where does it say there was a 'devil'? It doesn't. SO WHAT? And again, there is no such thing as 'the holy bible'.
@Elfinio There is no such thing as 'the holy bible', see my video on the subject. At any rate, what would it matter? Where in the hebrew scriptures does it mention a devil trying to corrupt souls? No where. So your point is what?
@BeInnocuous please tell me where in the bible it says that lucifer is a son of god. I need to know as I am a spankiing new mormon.. Please help me with this info.. thank you.. Jaime..write to me at JaimeLopezOrtega@aol.com..
It does not say that he is a son of God right out... But Lucifer means morning star... or son of the morning... and is a fallen star or fallen angel.... Angels are Gods children... and morning stars are directly called the sons of God.
@BeInnocuous That's actually a bit off. Lucifer is Isa is a reference to a known Babylonian king. In job, Satan, a separate character, is called a child of god, implying an angel however. But in that story Satan works with god, not against him.
@Jaime71355 No where in the Hebrew scriptures does it say this. If you look at the passage, Lucifer is only mentioned ONE time in the Hebrew scripture, and is a reference to a known Babylonian king.
It's sad how mormons try and ostrasize people that leave the lds business meetings once they find out & add up ALL the lies in lds theology. This woman and her family loved Christ & each other more than belonging to a cult that robs it's people of critical objective thinking. What a price to pay but in the end she is free from the bondage & chains of the lds church, and now can worship the true biblical Christ & experience real love that passes all understanding!
The common theme of most people leaving the LDS Church is being "free" from all of the"rules." It is always easier to ride a bike downhill than up. I prefer following a living prophet than the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.
@rc5211 Mormons need a living prophet to help with the screw ups the last one left behind. Who called your prophet ? Didn't you raise your hand to the square, didn't he raise his hand to the square? That's election not a calling.
Awesome video brother!!!FMC Book Topic Teaser: "gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous...Now, I know that some may be offended at the counsel that they should not strive for a special and personal relationship with Christ...But you have been warned, and you have heard the true doctrine taught", (Bruce R. McConkie, Church News, March 20, 1982, p.5). IS THIS MORMONISM OR CHRISTIANITY? WHAT DOES THE BIBLE TEACH ABOUT CHURCH AUTHORITIES PRIESTHOODS?
@BeInnocuous Titus 3:5 Not by work's of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the HOLY GHOST ;6 Which he shed on us abundently through Jesus Christ our Savior;7 that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
When the thief who was crucified next to Jesus,what did he say? he believed in Jesus,he believed he was the king of kings, the thief was a sinner but all he did was accept Jesus and what did Jesus say to him? you will be with ME in paradise. Thief did 0 works, all he did was repent and believed in Jesus
I’m not trying to make myself right with God thought the Law but through the Atonement. I’m not sure why you guys are incapable of understanding this. We are made right with the Law because we accept Grace. The Law did not disappear nor did Jesus destroy it. He fulfilled it. We fulfill the Law by accepting Grace. We are dirty rags… then we accept Christ and we are washed clean. Why do we need to be washed clean?
@BeInnocuous John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own recieved him not . 12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the son's of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man,but of God .
#2 Those who are acquainted with Mormon theology will recognize that this is an admission that Brigham Young taught that Adam was God the Father. Apostle McConkie's revealing statements seem to mark the end of a cover-up which has lasted for over a hundred years.
@BeInnocuous Why that is what you do with the Bible? LOL Your prophet's are made up. Brigham was voted in to office. Deut 18:22,> 1st Nephi 13:30 roughly 600 year's prior to Christ Birth prophised the corruption of the Bible. Scholar's say it is a fabrication. So does the dead sea scroll' are older than the predicted Nephi prophacy no differance in the Modern translation and the dead sea scroll's. Nephi failed so did Joesph. I guess that makes you a liar.....along with your prophet.
You are incoherent. You need to take a few breaths and calm down. You are letting your zealot ways get the best of you and feed your natural hate toward things that are different. This is not a godly reaction. The Dead Sea Scroll support LDS teachings. You need to stop reading things that coddle your ignorant view.
@BeInnocuous you don't like the truth do you. Wake up friend The dead sea scrolls show your false prophet moroni was wrong .And oh my how many L.D.S archeoligist say there is no evidence to support the b.o.m. It's a fairie tale, Which proves your false prophet was wrong. Deut 18:20-22 Joesph was killed not long(3 month's) after he claimed his work as great as Jesus's. God set His way strait, Joesph added to it. Joesph was destroyed for lieing. Follow him I"m not stopping you.
On Feb. 19, 1981, the Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote a letter to Eugene England which contains some remarkable statements concerning Brigham Young (the second President of the Mormon Church) and his Adam-God doctrine. In this 10-page letter Apostle McConkie frankly admitted, "Yes, President Young did teach that Adam was the father of our spirits and all the related things that the cultists ascribe to him. #1
In 1834 the Mormons had a name change "Church of the Latter-day Saints."
Before that it was the "church of Christ" and later became "the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" Mormons prefer " Latter Day Saints " to differentiate them from o "christians"
COLOSSIANS 2 Read this, Watch the Bible VS Joesph Smith. In other word's see what I'm trying to point out to you. We don't have to be offended by the Gospel, and we really shouldn't try an offend each other particularly when we are discussing Him.I stand by my statement, the L.D.S are under a burden by the law. I didn't call any one a name. But was told I don't know what I'm talking about. All I'm saying is you don't know what I'm talking about. If you want, read that and watch that video.
@Sk8er408 SK8 you are so wise ! Please will you tell me how Jacob 4:9 Alma 18:26,34-36 reconciles to D&C sec 93:23, 29-33 I mean The book of mormon the most accurate book on earth is being called into question by it's author(Joesph) by D&C. It's author Joesph . Joesph don't even know His own gospel ? Let alone God's. Please explain this plain and preciousTruth to me. Now your chance friend enlighten me with your wisdom. Or are you going to spew more hate like a child ?
You explained it for me in DC 93:23... it is talking about the existence of out spirits... Jacob is talking about Gen and the creation of our bodies... I know you have to close one eye and squint for you to be able to concoct this ill fated conspiracy... But please... It is not like one says G-d does not tempt man and the other says he does.... That would a hard one to explain...
@Sk8er408 do you know which verses Joesph added to Gen, and how he changed John ? Or have you ever compared just to see ? Ever checked out the dead sea scroll's ? But what are Jacob, Alma talking about ? No pre-existence of man. reconcile it don't act like gave me an answer. you just tried to avoid it.
It doesn't matter what JS said about Gen... If you want to compare something i suggest you google "how the grinch stole chiasmus"
WHat about the DSC? or should I say the Saints of the Last Days who they belong to?
No preexistence? That is your belief...Jer. 1:5 What did G-d know before we were formed in our moms belly? Don't you believe we were created out of nothing?
@Sk8er408 huh? The church is the body of believer's. Problem is SK8 L.D.S say we believe in Jesus. But like Satan have chosen a path of self admiration as opposed to worship to The Christ. Wanting His Kingdom, but not wanting Him in it. If you want to call God's Word (THe Christ) nothing that is just showing where your heart lay's in the mouth of a false prophet.
@Sk8er408 ECC 12 :7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gavie it. refer Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return to the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art , and unto dust shalt thou return. Dude read the bible, quit trusting man's teaching's. only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5).
So i take it you do not believe in an afterlife... Our bodies are physical... but you gloss over the fact that our bodies are temples to our Spirit...
@Sk8er408 No I believe when God breathed into Adam he created us. And that breath will return to Him. He will recognise it (us) or not. I'm not glossing anything over. What are you winning a point before you make it? Your ignoring the fact God said He created us. Your mormon prophet said we have alway's existed . Stay on the subject. Your doctrine's say Adam was God, Who is God to you ? Job 37- 38 I know that's 2 chapter's but God is telling Job he was no where around.Talking about prexistence
Chirstian's believe on the blood of the Christ for salvation our good deed's are done not because we earn our salvation, but out of love for our fellow man. He is the Rock in which we place all hope. L..D. S are under a burden of law's. And you must meet all those requirement's to be with God. Not understanding that by living by the law they will be judged by it. In other word's, They do not accept Grace at face value=ie a free gift to all. Who Love Him first and love everyone one else.
Yes God has set requirements for us... haven't you read the bible? We can live the law or not and will still be judged by it. It is whether or no you have Gods grace if you are saved or not. If we are not judged by the law why would we need grace to be saved?
Who are you to say that they do not accept grace at face value?
@BeInnocuous Which judgement are you refering to? there are 2 Bema seat (saint's) and those who will be judge by their work's.(Heaven or Hell) I can read the Bible fine.
@BeInnocuous of course you do! B.O.M 2 Nephi 28:22 1 Nephi 15:35 then there's . D&C Sec 70-112 . But that does your church teach ? Please just watch The Bible VS Joesph Smith. If you have been saved by Grace why would you go to Hell ?
You don't... Grace is a free gift. But if you are without faith and works you will not overcome your pride and you will deny this free gift. It is as easy as that... Christ knocks... you need the faith to to get you but off the couch and open that do... I know you hate that you have to do something but it is not much... Or you can sit and marinate in your pride and deny the faith and works that will save you.
@BeInnocuous what work's ? Please enlighten me with your work's and we'll compare them to what The Christ taught. Let's see who is following Jesus and who is following Joesph. I'm game are you? But again watch that movie first The Bible VS Joesph Smith. Moroni 10:32 who is working on puffed up pride ? How does He save us from the law ? Your trapped in a lie and trying to defend it. Because an apostel who can't defend his own faith told you to.! Don't pity me, but be assured I pray for you.
Simply Christ teaches us to do everything he has commanded... John 15: 12-14
The Law is still in full effect, the only thing that has changed is our outlook on it. We are now to learn to Love God & our neighbor & ourselves, instead of following motions that mock the act of love toward our God our neighbors and ourselves. You can fulfill the Law and have no love. But if you have Love you will fulfill the Law. This is the Good News & that our short comings are paid for.
@BeInnocuous What did He command? Why stop at 14 keep right on reading to 21 that's Christ speaking. I don't see the word worthy or it's implication there.
@BeInnocuous How can you fulfill the law And not follow the 1st 2 ie= Love Thy God before all other's 2 Love Thy Neighbor as thy self. You made no sense at all. That's like your having to be perfect before the holy spirit will move on you. The Holy Spirit help's us to become perfect, what is He doing sitting and just waitng for that one moment you think your perfect so he can hop in and say good job, you'll make a really good God!
@BeInnocuous you can dismiss what Jesus said ? Are you so prideful <(sin)or foolish to think you can live without a sin in your life ? first time you were angered you killed someone. That's the law you think you can live. Satan has you right where he where he want's you.
The shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5).
Who do you think all those animal were sacrificed to represent? Articles of faith 3
@BeInnocuous I take it you have read Matthew where Jesus does the youv'e heard it said, But I say when he is laying down the Law? Your short coming's? Jesus call's it sin. Do you have to be worthy ?
@BeInnocuous Thank you, now explain how this becoming worthy to earn a free gift, does not put you under a burden of law's? Which you stated you think you can do without loving 1 God 2 your neighbor ? You keep saying I have no idea what I'm talking about but we keep ending up with you spouting off till you prove Jesus right. Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrits! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter,but within they are full of extortion and excess.
We will never be worthy to earn the free gift of grace... It is about accepting that free gift... the only way you will accept it is be overcoming your pride... I think you have a lot of work ahead of you.
I did not say i can fullfil the law... i said you can fullfil the law yet not have love for God.
What excess of I full of??? Condemning people for their personal faith in Christ? Oh ya... that is you.
@BeInnocuous How can you ignore the first 2 commandments and live the Law?Jesus said on those 2 all the law hinge. You brought this on. Your the one who said L.D.S are not under a burden.I been through your temple's, I know what you teach. I know your under a burden that is why there are so many inactive member's. It seem's your personel faith is lacking my friend. Look to the Bible, Jesus is the answer not Joesph. You have been saved by grace. Right?
You mean the great commandments... not the first two... and you do not need to love God your neighbor or yourself to follow the 10 commandments..
everyone is under a burden... it is called the yoke of Christ... people would rather deny their potention and just got the the default that they can do nothing of themselves... even though that is not what Jesus taught.
@BeInnocuous you seem to be a tyopical cult member......You can't prove the biblw wrong. And it dosen't say what you want it to. So you toss it and think God is going to reward you for being disobedient. Jesus said on the first 2 all the other law's hinge. Who's being prifeful here ? Me telling you, Jesus said you need Him. Or you saying you don't need Him to keep His law law ? Your weak in faith, knowledge, and are ignorant to the law you want to be judged by. That's why your in a cult.
@BeInnocuous Let's see you called me out on grace and mormon's being under a burden of laws.Study that Bible and ask God . Your gospel teaches it. Satan beguiled Eve and it was good because otherwise, we never get to enjoy this wonderful hell on earth we experiance now and earn our godhood by suffering sin. You are mormon right ? You exemplify a brain washed cult member friend. You'll say anything even attack the Bible to argue a point. Which you will not concede or prove just babble on......
@pappyforyou You exemplify a brain washed cult member with your ideas of what Saints are...
I'm not sure why you think you can blame your sins on Adam... that is not how it goes...
Again... all are under the burden of the Law... Grace is how we appease this burden... Tell me... why would you need grace if you are not under the burden of law? What do you need grace from?
@BeInnocuous You have no valid point only your opion on thing's which you twist to make point's in your favor regardless. You'd spit on Christ himself if you thought you'd get away with it. By your action you have in a way already. All are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5). #1
#2 John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God
And the Word was God 2: The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Just because you lack the smarts to understand simple concepts does not make me the only that twist things. No where does the bible say we are justified on faith only. Sorry... that is your pipe dream. You hate youself and dont want to be accountable for you actions so you calim all you need is faith and then you feel better about your sins... Good luck with that.
@BeInnocuous The smart's? I have handed you each point with doctrine to back it up. I concede I was speaking of The Fall when you asked about temptation. You fooled me, but had to quote scripture's out of context to win your point. Which in no way change's the gospel. B.T.W All are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5.
@BeInnocuous Hebrews 1:1, I admitt I'm a sinner. We'll see how you feel when you take a false prophet's teachings to God. You really ought to look up some of those scripture's I've posted up for you. It's show you just how misinformed you sound. Has there ever been a mormon prophet shown to be right? I mean other than Joesph publishing the B.O.M which his prophet's prophisied. Which there is no evidence of ever being person's let alone a people group. Who need's luck ? Is Jesus God?
You love Jesus? Prove it. Because if you loved Jesus you would have the works to prove that you have faith in him… After all faith without works is dead.
Now you see that when you calim to love Jesus you are caliming to have works… “If you love me keep my commandments” But I guess you only read what agrees with your view and do not take to hear those that do not.
@BeInnocuous Your argument is dead. I stated my point and you know that. You not winning anything and repeart what I say after the fact. Your not fooling anyone. I live right next door to an former l.d.s bishop. the neighbor on the other side is not a member. The bishop was convicted of child molestation. The other neighbor was not. But their son killed himself, they to was l.d.s. notice I say was. My last ward a young man killed himself because he couldn't handle the pressure put on him. LOVE?!
@BeInnocuous Your under the burden because God has not regenerated your heart. It show's to. Because on the cross He saved me from what I deserve, that is His grace, Your dealing with sin yourself what perfect sacrifice have you made? You told me I"m not Christ are you?
I’m not Christ. That is why I look to him for a remission of my sins. I have the regenerated heart… I do not view myself as a dirty rag… Do you? I’m not sure why you have to continue to make unfounded judgment on my salvation… that shows you do think you are Christ when you judge someone’s salvation.
@BeInnocuous I believe in the absolute necessity of regeneration by the Holy Spirit for salvation because of the exceeding sinfulness of the human nature, and that all are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5). You don't consider yourself a dirty rag. When did I claim to be a dirty rag or call you one ? Your works are the dirty rag !
Yes… I know you admit you are a sinner. Yet you still view youself as a sinner after you calim to be born again… right? Or am I mistaken that you view yourself as dirty rags?
You want a sign? As God for a sign.
A better questions would be is the Son the Father?
@BeInnocuous and I will be a sinner till I go before God. So will you. The difference is your theoligy tell's you it's up to you.You have to be perfect in Christ before the Holy Spirit will help you. I"m still not sure how He can help you from outside of your heart, but you have to figure out for yourself. Mine tell's me Christ will help me all I have to do is give myself to Him. I'm not a dirty rag friend I have been cleansed by the Blood of Christ, by my faith in Him and His Word. #1
#2John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God
, And the Word was God. 2: The same was in the beginning with God (The Christ). 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
1x1x1=1, not 1+1+1=3 you ask a question without knowing the answer. How did Chrsit creat Himself ? How did He become Satan's brother when He created Satan ? Wher did your 1st God come from ? Who is your 1 God ?
@BeInnocuous You are mistaken and twisting thing's, Your works are dirty rag's . Not mine, I trust in the Christ. You are under the law to earn your grace. But we have went through this. The Father is God, Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God. Why don't you answer a question and quit thinking your asking a better question ? Not a God head like Joesph gave you after he started receiving revlation's on other men's wives D&C and giving him control over everyone. Crowned himself king even. ? #1
#2 your God, his word has even mistakes from the KJV of the Bible in his B.O.M. Just show's a poor attempt at taking Throne of God for his own gain. Sad really, but what is more sad is that people think they are following what Joe taught. But yet his gospel has been edited an reedited. And people still trust it as the word of God. But when examined it show's the fingerprint's of men all through it. What I find funny is you 1st statement about there is no proof of Jesus walking on the earth. #3
@pappyforyou But your Joesph said he in fact saw both, the Father and the Son. You believe that? But Jesus said God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must do so in spirit. Have you looked to see what kind of evidence there is for Jesus being here or just taking another person at their word. We will be held accountable for the thought's and deed's of our heart.) John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) not Joesph eh?
@BeInnocuous He also said you must hold the priesthood to see God or be stricken dead... And he didn't hold it with his 1st vision did he? Check the fact's Deuteronomy 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? :22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but he prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
@BeInnocuous Exodus 33:20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face,man shall not see me and live.” John !:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him knonwn. (The Christ)
John 6:46 Not that any man has seen the Father, except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.(The Christ) #1
#2 Romans 1:20 For the invisible things, of him from creation of the world they are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead So they are without excuse. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they become fools, #2
#3 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and to fourfooted beasts, and the creeping things.
@BeInnocuous 1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.10:He that believeth on the Son of God hath witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
@BeInnocuous But you don't understand scripture my friend. 1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.10:He that believeth on the Son of God hath witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied that the coming of the Lord was near and that fifty-six years should wind up the scene. In the History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, we read as follows: "President Smith then stated ... it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry #1
#2 , and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene."Joseph Smith later said that a voice once told him the following: " 'My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man.' I was left to draw my own conclusions concerning this; and I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live to that time, #2
#3 He would make His appearance. But I do not say whether He will make his appearance or I shall go where He is" (History of the Church, vol. 5, p. 336).On the same page Joseph Smith said: "There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes." Joseph Smith then proceeded to make a prophesy about the coming of Christ. Since the last six words have been deleted in the History of the Church (under the date of April 6, 1843) we cite the original source—
#4 i.e., Joseph Smith's diary, March 10, 1843—July 14, 1843: "... I prophecy in the name of the Lord God—& let it be written: that the Son of Man will not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old 48 years hence or about 1890...." MY friend I'm not confused your just full of man's wisdom, Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and to fourfooted beasts, and the creeping things.Joe is a pied piper leading you to Hell.
Joseph prophesy about the coming of the Lord was dependent on him being alive in 56 years. Please read the whole of it instead of reading only that which helps your distort the truth. If your read the NT Jesus is said to return in their lifetime. I guess you believe the bible to be false as it has given a false prophesy as you believe Joseph has.
@BeInnocuous And if you read The new testament, You'd see, He did return remember Mary ? Remember the apostels seeing Him after the crucifxion. Remember that your argument was about you being under a burden. You lost that point. So now we attack God at His Word, All your comment proves genius is that Joesph was a wrong(again),And that you are willing to lie no matter what. Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else besides him.
@pappyforyou still waiting! please enlighten me! Don't keep going off to other post trying to distract me. You made the accusation. I'm telling you show your case. Come on I know where your going friend let's show everyone just how ignorant you really are.
@BeInnocuous Mark 9:1 And he said unto them , Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.2:And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, And John, and leadeth them up up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.) I guess it is up to you to explain your point. ?I mentioned the apostels as well they were apointed his witnesses.
@pappyforyou religion is the ART of MAKING EXCUSES for a GOD that doesn't exist by using ambiguous statements from ancient texts (or something other idiots dreamed up recently).
@GT500Shelby07 Why does the smithsonian use the Bible for historical references? And does so with much success ? Why is it the ones who look at the evidence are the one's called idiot's? But the ones that teach man worship see themselves as wise. Is it the fact's that bother you or is it that you don't understand them?
@pappyforyou You got that ass backwards. Those that teach man worship are the idiots. You make a good point though, those same idiots ignore evidence that is in direct contrast to their beliefs by making a faith based argument based on ambiguous statements in the bible. And the main reason for the ambiguity in the bible is because it's not factual and needs to be manipulated, twisted and perverted into what the believer needs at the time.
@BeInnocuous Just because your eye's are blinded by the wisdom of man. You keep stopping just short of letting the Truth come out. Why stop at 32, why not go ahead and finish the message ? Did you miss 29 on purpose? 29: And he spake to them in parable; ) Sorry friend God's Kingdom is nigh at hand, and His word has not passed away. What happened to Joesph? He was put to death. That's what happen's to false prophet's Deut 13:1-4 <the big one, you ignored.
@BeInnocuous no this is your dog and pony show enlighten me with your mormon understanding.....tell me how God has failed ? Explain it to me, how the apostels he apointed to be his witnesses don't count. You see I have been answering you now it's your turn. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
@BeInnocuous put up or shut up. I'm not interested in your man worship. You brought an accusation. Put up or shut up. After all you started it. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Your calling God a liar, now your refer to a book written by another man as evidence? I thought the B.O.M was the most accurate book ever written. Why do you need more?
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Jesus doesn't *KNOW* whether or not Smith will be alive in 56 years and his 2nd Coming is dependent on a man? That's the dumbest post you've made and you've made some truly ignorant statements. rofl
Jack... you can be honest about simple facts. You have nothing to offer in your determined indentured war against your brothers. You will never listen to anything I say that does not agree with your opinion. So I will not bother.
@pappyforyou Likewise biblcally jesus said there were those hearing his words that day who would not die before seeing his return, and here we are nearly 2000 years later. Failed prophecies aren't a problem for the religious, especially those of the abrahamic persuasion. They just make excuses to cover for themselves.
@humanistheart did you see my response to BeInnocuous ? For someone who dosn't believe in God you show alot of interest. Why is that ? I'm just asking . Your friend seem's Hell bent for leather to prove something. Again I said the L.D.S are under the burden of the law, Bible was right. He won't quit till either he win's or there is no God. Which show's me he like you are not seeking God. Prove to me the Bible is wrong . But fare is fare if I have to exam your evidence you must exam mine as well
@humanistheart You are on an open forum friend, no one has forced anything on you. But it seem's I don't have that same priviledge. Your argument is just that argument without a basis.
And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
@BeInnocuous What prophacies would you teach? Joseph looked into the hat in which he placed the stone, and received a revelation that some of the brethren should go to Toronto, Canada, and that they would sell the copy-right of the Book of Mormon. (utlm.org) How does one, own copy right's to scripture that they may sell it for their own gain? Ephesians 2:8 For by grace yea are saved through faith; and that not of yourself: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of work, lest any man should boast.
@BeInnocuous Deut 13:1-4 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2:And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying. Let us go after other gods,which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3: Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. #1
#2 4:Ye shall walk after the Lord your God,and fear him and keep his commandments, and obey his voice,and ye shall serve him,and cleave unto him.5:And that prophet,or that dreamer of dreams,shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God,which brought you out of the land of Eygpt,and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in,So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee
@BeInnocuous If you had any thing but lies you'd offer it, instead on name calling. That show's your fear and weakness in your faith. I don't have to prove the Bible right, it does it itslef. Your prophet made many statements tha prove him a liar. Yes you did say you don't need Jesus, You can keep the 10 commandments without Him remember. Why is it your B.O.M dosn't contain the plain and precious truth, given to you in D&C, actualy they contrdict each other any more lies? Understand ? I do
Even with Jesus we do not keep the law... we sin. We do not need to keep the Law... We need to keep the atonement... That is what will fullfil the Law for us.
@BeInnocuous You my friend are lost and in need of saving. Ask Jesus into your heart. Drinking water for His blood. Levened bread for His body. Calling Sunday the sabbath, all 3 ignore what Jesus taught B.T.W. You really shouldn't be chastising anyone. But reading and learning. Rom 14:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fullfilling of the law.) Again Article's of faith 3, So what are you talking about ? You are one scared person afraid to look at the Truth.
You cry foul about being under a burden then claim that i'm under a burden of drinking wine unleavened bread Saturday sabbath.... I have no ill toward any man... yet you calim I'm lost then try to imply that you have love toward your neighbor...
Love is a principal of the gospel... If you need some basic lessons on the gospel you can report to your nearest LDS church and they can help you with your ignorance.
@BeInnocuous LOL, no I'm believer in Christ. I worship on sunday but know it isn't the sabbath. I drink grape juice to represent Christ blood just like Christ said to do. You drink water because Emma tried to kill her hubby Joesph after the new and ever lasting covenant came into being. I use unlevened bread to represent His body. Because He was without sin. But my last time in an L.D.S church I witnessed a woman ex'd for being seducded by her home teacher. I don't need that kind of love......
@BeInnocuous Matthew 6:19 Jesus said"Do not lay up for yourselevs treasures upon earth,where moth and rust doth corrupt and where theives break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven,where neither moth and rust corrupt, and Where theives do not break through and steal.:For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 22 For the light of the body is the eye. If therefore thine eye is single, thy whole body shall be full of light.We love Jesus that fulfill's it.
I never said works or even faith makes us worthy... It is grace... All bibles are tainted... Or do you believe that you bible is without the mistakes?
@BeInnocuous your just showing you haven't did any research for yourself. Watch that movie The Bible VS Joesph Smith. spout off. There have been over 4000 changes to the book of mormon. no history, The dead sea scroll's prove Joesph Smith tampered with the Bible.Wrote himself in that's why there are so many mistakes in the book of mormon. And his translation of the Bible.. I do believe in blasphamy,
@BeInnocuous they prove , how accurate the KJV of the Bible is accurate today. Old testament. They prove Joesph Smith tampered with the old testament to make himself a prophet.What's more important than God's Word ? John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God
, And the Word was God 2: The same was in the beginning with God . 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
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After the 40days in the desert, Jesus Christ went out of his way to find 12 that would be his Apostels! But, in the mormon church, it is alleged he settled for one dude. Jesus Christ promised the 12 that satan would not prevail against his Church which includes Heaven and Earth, so, apostacy never happened. If the Church was apostate when you say it was, then the Holy Bible is an apostacy and you must reject it because only bad fruit can come from a bad tree. The mormon church is suspect.
fljrox 4 days ago
Question all religions. They are ALL poison. Religion poisons everything.
stanleysteama 2 weeks ago
@stanleysteama Atheism poisens.
blackmamba54321 1 week ago
Gee Lady it took 30 years to figure out Mormons is a cult
forty8r 4 weeks ago
@forty8r Now I wonder how long it will take to figure out Christianity is a false cult too and jesus nothing more than a made-up comic book type character. All religion is BS.
stanleysteama 2 weeks ago
@stanleysteama You need to learn the difference in Religion and Relationship. That's what Jesus Christ is offering, not Religion. He was harder on Religious leaders than anyone else.
masontonio 1 week ago
@Elfinio Sin is just whatever Yahweh doesn't like, and he likes himself a lot. Saying he's sinless in meaningless, the only implication being his massive, massive ego.
"YOU PEOPLE DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SIN.. " You people? That's usually a racist comment, so what on earth are you referring to?
humanistheart 1 month ago
@Elfinio The father of his father. We don't know his name, at least not that I know of. And you ignored the point. Where in hebrew scripture does it say god would take human form? It doesn't. Where does it say there was a 'devil'? It doesn't. SO WHAT? And again, there is no such thing as 'the holy bible'.
humanistheart 1 month ago
@Elfinio There is no such thing as 'the holy bible', see my video on the subject. At any rate, what would it matter? Where in the hebrew scriptures does it mention a devil trying to corrupt souls? No where. So your point is what?
humanistheart 1 month ago
@Elfinio
the bible clearly teaches that lucifer the morning star is a fallen angel and a son of God.
But having denied God he will never have a chance to be born again or adopted into the family of God...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Nowhere in the bible does it teach that Lucifer is a son of God.
endofus 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
(Isaiah 44:24) King James Version
"I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself
Mormon Temple is false.
endofus 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous please tell me where in the bible it says that lucifer is a son of god. I need to know as I am a spankiing new mormon.. Please help me with this info.. thank you.. Jaime..write to me at JaimeLopezOrtega@aol.com..
Jaime71355 4 weeks ago
@Jaime71355
It does not say that he is a son of God right out... But Lucifer means morning star... or son of the morning... and is a fallen star or fallen angel.... Angels are Gods children... and morning stars are directly called the sons of God.
Isa. 14:12
Job 38:7
BeInnocuous 4 weeks ago
@BeInnocuous That's actually a bit off. Lucifer is Isa is a reference to a known Babylonian king. In job, Satan, a separate character, is called a child of god, implying an angel however. But in that story Satan works with god, not against him.
humanistheart 4 weeks ago
@Jaime71355 No where in the Hebrew scriptures does it say this. If you look at the passage, Lucifer is only mentioned ONE time in the Hebrew scripture, and is a reference to a known Babylonian king.
humanistheart 4 weeks ago
It's sad how mormons try and ostrasize people that leave the lds business meetings once they find out & add up ALL the lies in lds theology. This woman and her family loved Christ & each other more than belonging to a cult that robs it's people of critical objective thinking. What a price to pay but in the end she is free from the bondage & chains of the lds church, and now can worship the true biblical Christ & experience real love that passes all understanding!
desertdoggz 1 month ago
The common theme of most people leaving the LDS Church is being "free" from all of the"rules." It is always easier to ride a bike downhill than up. I prefer following a living prophet than the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.
rc5211 1 month ago
@rc5211 Mormons need a living prophet to help with the screw ups the last one left behind. Who called your prophet ? Didn't you raise your hand to the square, didn't he raise his hand to the square? That's election not a calling.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
"I wanted to be thinking about christ dying on the cross..." how gruesome~!
Jbear9 1 month ago
Love that exchange "Lynn, thanks for cumming, Thank you!! hahahahah"
GT500Shelby07 1 month ago
30 years in the lds and never stuided the new testament ??when we study it ,so i find her statement hard to believe.
coolmoonriver 1 month ago
I dont get why you pick on mormoms? Every other religion including yours is just as made up and bat shit crazy....
recon82nd 1 month ago
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Awesome video brother!!!FMC Book Topic Teaser: "gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous...Now, I know that some may be offended at the counsel that they should not strive for a special and personal relationship with Christ...But you have been warned, and you have heard the true doctrine taught", (Bruce R. McConkie, Church News, March 20, 1982, p.5). IS THIS MORMONISM OR CHRISTIANITY? WHAT DOES THE BIBLE TEACH ABOUT CHURCH AUTHORITIES PRIESTHOODS?
mormoncoffee 1 month ago
hmmmmm - hopefully they will do the same to the bible and REALLY study it deeper.
99djc88 1 month ago
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pappyforyou 1 month ago
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pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Titus 3:5 Not by work's of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the HOLY GHOST ;6 Which he shed on us abundently through Jesus Christ our Savior;7 that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
When the thief who was crucified next to Jesus,what did he say? he believed in Jesus,he believed he was the king of kings, the thief was a sinner but all he did was accept Jesus and what did Jesus say to him? you will be with ME in paradise. Thief did 0 works, all he did was repent and believed in Jesus
dSetox16 1 month ago
@oceantalk1
I’m not trying to make myself right with God thought the Law but through the Atonement. I’m not sure why you guys are incapable of understanding this. We are made right with the Law because we accept Grace. The Law did not disappear nor did Jesus destroy it. He fulfilled it. We fulfill the Law by accepting Grace. We are dirty rags… then we accept Christ and we are washed clean. Why do we need to be washed clean?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own recieved him not . 12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the son's of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man,but of God .
Joesph or Jesus can't have both.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#2 Those who are acquainted with Mormon theology will recognize that this is an admission that Brigham Young taught that Adam was God the Father. Apostle McConkie's revealing statements seem to mark the end of a cover-up which has lasted for over a hundred years.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I suggest you read the whole letter... and not just quote those things that support your view... it only makes you a liar.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Why that is what you do with the Bible? LOL Your prophet's are made up. Brigham was voted in to office. Deut 18:22,> 1st Nephi 13:30 roughly 600 year's prior to Christ Birth prophised the corruption of the Bible. Scholar's say it is a fabrication. So does the dead sea scroll' are older than the predicted Nephi prophacy no differance in the Modern translation and the dead sea scroll's. Nephi failed so did Joesph. I guess that makes you a liar.....along with your prophet.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
You are incoherent. You need to take a few breaths and calm down. You are letting your zealot ways get the best of you and feed your natural hate toward things that are different. This is not a godly reaction. The Dead Sea Scroll support LDS teachings. You need to stop reading things that coddle your ignorant view.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous you don't like the truth do you. Wake up friend The dead sea scrolls show your false prophet moroni was wrong .And oh my how many L.D.S archeoligist say there is no evidence to support the b.o.m. It's a fairie tale, Which proves your false prophet was wrong. Deut 18:20-22 Joesph was killed not long(3 month's) after he claimed his work as great as Jesus's. God set His way strait, Joesph added to it. Joesph was destroyed for lieing. Follow him I"m not stopping you.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
On Feb. 19, 1981, the Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote a letter to Eugene England which contains some remarkable statements concerning Brigham Young (the second President of the Mormon Church) and his Adam-God doctrine. In this 10-page letter Apostle McConkie frankly admitted, "Yes, President Young did teach that Adam was the father of our spirits and all the related things that the cultists ascribe to him. #1
pappyforyou 1 month ago
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pappyforyou 1 month ago
In 1834 the Mormons had a name change "Church of the Latter-day Saints."
Before that it was the "church of Christ" and later became "the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" Mormons prefer " Latter Day Saints " to differentiate them from o "christians"
kramd1 1 month ago
COLOSSIANS 2 Read this, Watch the Bible VS Joesph Smith. In other word's see what I'm trying to point out to you. We don't have to be offended by the Gospel, and we really shouldn't try an offend each other particularly when we are discussing Him.I stand by my statement, the L.D.S are under a burden by the law. I didn't call any one a name. But was told I don't know what I'm talking about. All I'm saying is you don't know what I'm talking about. If you want, read that and watch that video.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 SK8 you are so wise ! Please will you tell me how Jacob 4:9 Alma 18:26,34-36 reconciles to D&C sec 93:23, 29-33 I mean The book of mormon the most accurate book on earth is being called into question by it's author(Joesph) by D&C. It's author Joesph . Joesph don't even know His own gospel ? Let alone God's. Please explain this plain and preciousTruth to me. Now your chance friend enlighten me with your wisdom. Or are you going to spew more hate like a child ?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
You explained it for me in DC 93:23... it is talking about the existence of out spirits... Jacob is talking about Gen and the creation of our bodies... I know you have to close one eye and squint for you to be able to concoct this ill fated conspiracy... But please... It is not like one says G-d does not tempt man and the other says he does.... That would a hard one to explain...
Sk8er408 1 month ago
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pappyforyou 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 do you know which verses Joesph added to Gen, and how he changed John ? Or have you ever compared just to see ? Ever checked out the dead sea scroll's ? But what are Jacob, Alma talking about ? No pre-existence of man. reconcile it don't act like gave me an answer. you just tried to avoid it.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
It doesn't matter what JS said about Gen... If you want to compare something i suggest you google "how the grinch stole chiasmus"
WHat about the DSC? or should I say the Saints of the Last Days who they belong to?
No preexistence? That is your belief...Jer. 1:5 What did G-d know before we were formed in our moms belly? Don't you believe we were created out of nothing?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 huh? The church is the body of believer's. Problem is SK8 L.D.S say we believe in Jesus. But like Satan have chosen a path of self admiration as opposed to worship to The Christ. Wanting His Kingdom, but not wanting Him in it. If you want to call God's Word (THe Christ) nothing that is just showing where your heart lay's in the mouth of a false prophet.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 ECC 12 :7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gavie it. refer Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return to the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art , and unto dust shalt thou return. Dude read the bible, quit trusting man's teaching's. only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5).
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
So i take it you do not believe in an afterlife... Our bodies are physical... but you gloss over the fact that our bodies are temples to our Spirit...
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408 No I believe when God breathed into Adam he created us. And that breath will return to Him. He will recognise it (us) or not. I'm not glossing anything over. What are you winning a point before you make it? Your ignoring the fact God said He created us. Your mormon prophet said we have alway's existed . Stay on the subject. Your doctrine's say Adam was God, Who is God to you ? Job 37- 38 I know that's 2 chapter's but God is telling Job he was no where around.Talking about prexistence
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I'm not LDS for one... I'm not sure why you take G-d breathing into us literal. I bet you dont even believe your god breaths at all.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
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pappyforyou 1 month ago
The Laws bring us condemnation, it does not sustain us. SK8 mention that ?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
Chirstian's believe on the blood of the Christ for salvation our good deed's are done not because we earn our salvation, but out of love for our fellow man. He is the Rock in which we place all hope. L..D. S are under a burden of law's. And you must meet all those requirement's to be with God. Not understanding that by living by the law they will be judged by it. In other word's, They do not accept Grace at face value=ie a free gift to all. Who Love Him first and love everyone one else.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
How said we earn our salvation with good deeds?
We are all under a burden of law's...
Yes God has set requirements for us... haven't you read the bible? We can live the law or not and will still be judged by it. It is whether or no you have Gods grace if you are saved or not. If we are not judged by the law why would we need grace to be saved?
Who are you to say that they do not accept grace at face value?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Which judgement are you refering to? there are 2 Bema seat (saint's) and those who will be judge by their work's.(Heaven or Hell) I can read the Bible fine.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I view them as the same.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous of course you do! B.O.M 2 Nephi 28:22 1 Nephi 15:35 then there's . D&C Sec 70-112 . But that does your church teach ? Please just watch The Bible VS Joesph Smith. If you have been saved by Grace why would you go to Hell ?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou that should be what.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
If you have been saved by grace why would you need works or even faith at all? Christ did not save us in our sins nor did he come to destroy the Law.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous you answer my question, Why do you need works to be saved by Grace ? Romans 9:16 Romans 14:10 He saves us from the law. Wake up friend
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
You don't... Grace is a free gift. But if you are without faith and works you will not overcome your pride and you will deny this free gift. It is as easy as that... Christ knocks... you need the faith to to get you but off the couch and open that do... I know you hate that you have to do something but it is not much... Or you can sit and marinate in your pride and deny the faith and works that will save you.
Yes he does save us from the Law.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous what work's ? Please enlighten me with your work's and we'll compare them to what The Christ taught. Let's see who is following Jesus and who is following Joesph. I'm game are you? But again watch that movie first The Bible VS Joesph Smith. Moroni 10:32 who is working on puffed up pride ? How does He save us from the law ? Your trapped in a lie and trying to defend it. Because an apostel who can't defend his own faith told you to.! Don't pity me, but be assured I pray for you.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Simply Christ teaches us to do everything he has commanded... John 15: 12-14
The Law is still in full effect, the only thing that has changed is our outlook on it. We are now to learn to Love God & our neighbor & ourselves, instead of following motions that mock the act of love toward our God our neighbors and ourselves. You can fulfill the Law and have no love. But if you have Love you will fulfill the Law. This is the Good News & that our short comings are paid for.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Yes it's your out look I"d like to compare.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous What did He command? Why stop at 14 keep right on reading to 21 that's Christ speaking. I don't see the word worthy or it's implication there.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous How can you fulfill the law And not follow the 1st 2 ie= Love Thy God before all other's 2 Love Thy Neighbor as thy self. You made no sense at all. That's like your having to be perfect before the holy spirit will move on you. The Holy Spirit help's us to become perfect, what is He doing sitting and just waitng for that one moment you think your perfect so he can hop in and say good job, you'll make a really good God!
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
There is no need to love God to follow the 10 commandments...
You have no grasp on simple things... I'm sorry for confusing you.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous you can dismiss what Jesus said ? Are you so prideful <(sin)or foolish to think you can live without a sin in your life ? first time you were angered you killed someone. That's the law you think you can live. Satan has you right where he where he want's you.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Through the atonement i'm innocent of all sins... That is the good news... it only takes one sin to be damned.
Satan has you right where he wants you... believing that you are nothing but a sinner.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
The shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5).
Who do you think all those animal were sacrificed to represent? Articles of faith 3
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous I take it you have read Matthew where Jesus does the youv'e heard it said, But I say when he is laying down the Law? Your short coming's? Jesus call's it sin. Do you have to be worthy ?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Yes you do have to be worthy... that is why there is the Atonement... it makes us worthy.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Thank you, now explain how this becoming worthy to earn a free gift, does not put you under a burden of law's? Which you stated you think you can do without loving 1 God 2 your neighbor ? You keep saying I have no idea what I'm talking about but we keep ending up with you spouting off till you prove Jesus right. Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrits! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter,but within they are full of extortion and excess.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
We will never be worthy to earn the free gift of grace... It is about accepting that free gift... the only way you will accept it is be overcoming your pride... I think you have a lot of work ahead of you.
I did not say i can fullfil the law... i said you can fullfil the law yet not have love for God.
What excess of I full of??? Condemning people for their personal faith in Christ? Oh ya... that is you.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous How can you ignore the first 2 commandments and live the Law?Jesus said on those 2 all the law hinge. You brought this on. Your the one who said L.D.S are not under a burden.I been through your temple's, I know what you teach. I know your under a burden that is why there are so many inactive member's. It seem's your personel faith is lacking my friend. Look to the Bible, Jesus is the answer not Joesph. You have been saved by grace. Right?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
You mean the great commandments... not the first two... and you do not need to love God your neighbor or yourself to follow the 10 commandments..
everyone is under a burden... it is called the yoke of Christ... people would rather deny their potention and just got the the default that they can do nothing of themselves... even though that is not what Jesus taught.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous you seem to be a tyopical cult member......You can't prove the biblw wrong. And it dosen't say what you want it to. So you toss it and think God is going to reward you for being disobedient. Jesus said on the first 2 all the other law's hinge. Who's being prifeful here ? Me telling you, Jesus said you need Him. Or you saying you don't need Him to keep His law law ? Your weak in faith, knowledge, and are ignorant to the law you want to be judged by. That's why your in a cult.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Typical cult member... as in Christ being the central figure of my religion? You are correct.
You can't prove the bible right... but you sure can ignore the errors in it... That is cultish... denying the truth of things.
I've never said God would reward me for being disobedient.... talk about not saying what you want it to... hypocrite.
I've never said we do not need Jesus... All sin... if you had some brain power you would understand the meanings of my words.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Let's see you called me out on grace and mormon's being under a burden of laws.Study that Bible and ask God . Your gospel teaches it. Satan beguiled Eve and it was good because otherwise, we never get to enjoy this wonderful hell on earth we experiance now and earn our godhood by suffering sin. You are mormon right ? You exemplify a brain washed cult member friend. You'll say anything even attack the Bible to argue a point. Which you will not concede or prove just babble on......
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou You exemplify a brain washed cult member with your ideas of what Saints are...
I'm not sure why you think you can blame your sins on Adam... that is not how it goes...
Again... all are under the burden of the Law... Grace is how we appease this burden... Tell me... why would you need grace if you are not under the burden of law? What do you need grace from?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous You have no valid point only your opion on thing's which you twist to make point's in your favor regardless. You'd spit on Christ himself if you thought you'd get away with it. By your action you have in a way already. All are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5). #1
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#2 John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God
And the Word was God 2: The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
He is not your brother, He is your God!
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Just because you lack the smarts to understand simple concepts does not make me the only that twist things. No where does the bible say we are justified on faith only. Sorry... that is your pipe dream. You hate youself and dont want to be accountable for you actions so you calim all you need is faith and then you feel better about your sins... Good luck with that.
Christ says it best in John 15:12-14
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
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@BeInnocuous The smart's? I have handed you each point with doctrine to back it up. I concede I was speaking of The Fall when you asked about temptation. You fooled me, but had to quote scripture's out of context to win your point. Which in no way change's the gospel. B.T.W All are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Hebrews 1:1, I admitt I'm a sinner. We'll see how you feel when you take a false prophet's teachings to God. You really ought to look up some of those scripture's I've posted up for you. It's show you just how misinformed you sound. Has there ever been a mormon prophet shown to be right? I mean other than Joesph publishing the B.O.M which his prophet's prophisied. Which there is no evidence of ever being person's let alone a people group. Who need's luck ? Is Jesus God?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
You love Jesus? Prove it. Because if you loved Jesus you would have the works to prove that you have faith in him… After all faith without works is dead.
Now you see that when you calim to love Jesus you are caliming to have works… “If you love me keep my commandments” But I guess you only read what agrees with your view and do not take to hear those that do not.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Your argument is dead. I stated my point and you know that. You not winning anything and repeart what I say after the fact. Your not fooling anyone. I live right next door to an former l.d.s bishop. the neighbor on the other side is not a member. The bishop was convicted of child molestation. The other neighbor was not. But their son killed himself, they to was l.d.s. notice I say was. My last ward a young man killed himself because he couldn't handle the pressure put on him. LOVE?!
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
,we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God romans 3:23,
we are saved by grace ephesians 2:5,you must be born again,
I am talking about a spiritual birth john 3:3
if you use your mouth to say Jesus is Lord,
and if you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead,
you will be saved romans 10:9
oceantalk1 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Your under the burden because God has not regenerated your heart. It show's to. Because on the cross He saved me from what I deserve, that is His grace, Your dealing with sin yourself what perfect sacrifice have you made? You told me I"m not Christ are you?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I’m not Christ. That is why I look to him for a remission of my sins. I have the regenerated heart… I do not view myself as a dirty rag… Do you? I’m not sure why you have to continue to make unfounded judgment on my salvation… that shows you do think you are Christ when you judge someone’s salvation.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous I believe in the absolute necessity of regeneration by the Holy Spirit for salvation because of the exceeding sinfulness of the human nature, and that all are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5). You don't consider yourself a dirty rag. When did I claim to be a dirty rag or call you one ? Your works are the dirty rag !
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Yes… I know you admit you are a sinner. Yet you still view youself as a sinner after you calim to be born again… right? Or am I mistaken that you view yourself as dirty rags?
You want a sign? As God for a sign.
A better questions would be is the Son the Father?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous and I will be a sinner till I go before God. So will you. The difference is your theoligy tell's you it's up to you.You have to be perfect in Christ before the Holy Spirit will help you. I"m still not sure how He can help you from outside of your heart, but you have to figure out for yourself. Mine tell's me Christ will help me all I have to do is give myself to Him. I'm not a dirty rag friend I have been cleansed by the Blood of Christ, by my faith in Him and His Word. #1
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#2John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God
, And the Word was God. 2: The same was in the beginning with God (The Christ). 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
1x1x1=1, not 1+1+1=3 you ask a question without knowing the answer. How did Chrsit creat Himself ? How did He become Satan's brother when He created Satan ? Wher did your 1st God come from ? Who is your 1 God ?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous You are mistaken and twisting thing's, Your works are dirty rag's . Not mine, I trust in the Christ. You are under the law to earn your grace. But we have went through this. The Father is God, Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God. Why don't you answer a question and quit thinking your asking a better question ? Not a God head like Joesph gave you after he started receiving revlation's on other men's wives D&C and giving him control over everyone. Crowned himself king even. ? #1
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#2 your God, his word has even mistakes from the KJV of the Bible in his B.O.M. Just show's a poor attempt at taking Throne of God for his own gain. Sad really, but what is more sad is that people think they are following what Joe taught. But yet his gospel has been edited an reedited. And people still trust it as the word of God. But when examined it show's the fingerprint's of men all through it. What I find funny is you 1st statement about there is no proof of Jesus walking on the earth. #3
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou But your Joesph said he in fact saw both, the Father and the Son. You believe that? But Jesus said God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must do so in spirit. Have you looked to see what kind of evidence there is for Jesus being here or just taking another person at their word. We will be held accountable for the thought's and deed's of our heart.) John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) not Joesph eh?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou Joesph said he in fact saw both,
So did the apostles in the NT... They say Christ on the right hand of God... I think you need to read the bible instead of your creed.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous He also said you must hold the priesthood to see God or be stricken dead... And he didn't hold it with his 1st vision did he? Check the fact's Deuteronomy 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? :22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but he prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Exodus 33:20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face,man shall not see me and live.” John !:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him knonwn. (The Christ)
John 6:46 Not that any man has seen the Father, except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.(The Christ) #1
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#2 Romans 1:20 For the invisible things, of him from creation of the world they are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead So they are without excuse. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they become fools, #2
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#3 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and to fourfooted beasts, and the creeping things.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
Only mad men understand the ramblings of mad men.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous 1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.10:He that believeth on the Son of God hath witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I can quote scripture too.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous But you don't understand scripture my friend. 1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.10:He that believeth on the Son of God hath witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I'm not sure why you would think you understand the bible anymore then the next. All you do is quote them... that is not understanding them.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous The Lord's Coming
In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied that the coming of the Lord was near and that fifty-six years should wind up the scene. In the History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, we read as follows: "President Smith then stated ... it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry #1
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#2 , and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene."Joseph Smith later said that a voice once told him the following: " 'My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man.' I was left to draw my own conclusions concerning this; and I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live to that time, #2
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#3 He would make His appearance. But I do not say whether He will make his appearance or I shall go where He is" (History of the Church, vol. 5, p. 336).On the same page Joseph Smith said: "There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes." Joseph Smith then proceeded to make a prophesy about the coming of Christ. Since the last six words have been deleted in the History of the Church (under the date of April 6, 1843) we cite the original source—
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#4 i.e., Joseph Smith's diary, March 10, 1843—July 14, 1843: "... I prophecy in the name of the Lord God—& let it be written: that the Son of Man will not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old 48 years hence or about 1890...." MY friend I'm not confused your just full of man's wisdom, Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and to fourfooted beasts, and the creeping things.Joe is a pied piper leading you to Hell.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Joseph prophesy about the coming of the Lord was dependent on him being alive in 56 years. Please read the whole of it instead of reading only that which helps your distort the truth. If your read the NT Jesus is said to return in their lifetime. I guess you believe the bible to be false as it has given a false prophesy as you believe Joseph has.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous And if you read The new testament, You'd see, He did return remember Mary ? Remember the apostels seeing Him after the crucifxion. Remember that your argument was about you being under a burden. You lost that point. So now we attack God at His Word, All your comment proves genius is that Joesph was a wrong(again),And that you are willing to lie no matter what. Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else besides him.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou And if you read The new testament, You'd see, He did return remember Mary ?
You are blurring the line on what was said... Please read the NT and get back to me.
Mark 9:1; 13:24-30
Luke 9:27; 21:25-32
Dont forget
Matt 26:64 and Mark 14:62
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous No my friend no blurring of anything. You refute, biblical answers. It's good enough for Satan it's good enoug hfor you.
i have offered you more than enough evidence. All you do is spout, The burden of proof is on you.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
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BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@pappyforyou still waiting! please enlighten me! Don't keep going off to other post trying to distract me. You made the accusation. I'm telling you show your case. Come on I know where your going friend let's show everyone just how ignorant you really are.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Mark 9:1 And he said unto them , Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.2:And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, And John, and leadeth them up up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.) I guess it is up to you to explain your point. ?I mentioned the apostels as well they were apointed his witnesses.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou religion is the ART of MAKING EXCUSES for a GOD that doesn't exist by using ambiguous statements from ancient texts (or something other idiots dreamed up recently).
GT500Shelby07 1 month ago
@GT500Shelby07 Why does the smithsonian use the Bible for historical references? And does so with much success ? Why is it the ones who look at the evidence are the one's called idiot's? But the ones that teach man worship see themselves as wise. Is it the fact's that bother you or is it that you don't understand them?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou You got that ass backwards. Those that teach man worship are the idiots. You make a good point though, those same idiots ignore evidence that is in direct contrast to their beliefs by making a faith based argument based on ambiguous statements in the bible. And the main reason for the ambiguity in the bible is because it's not factual and needs to be manipulated, twisted and perverted into what the believer needs at the time.
GT500Shelby07 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
This might be over your head... I'll give you Mark 9:1... but you ignored the big one... Luke 21:25-32.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous YOU ignore the "big one" ~ Matthew 6:5 "pray in a closet."
Jbear9 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Just because your eye's are blinded by the wisdom of man. You keep stopping just short of letting the Truth come out. Why stop at 32, why not go ahead and finish the message ? Did you miss 29 on purpose? 29: And he spake to them in parable; ) Sorry friend God's Kingdom is nigh at hand, and His word has not passed away. What happened to Joesph? He was put to death. That's what happen's to false prophet's Deut 13:1-4 <the big one, you ignored.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
So what does that parable mean?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous no this is your dog and pony show enlighten me with your mormon understanding.....tell me how God has failed ? Explain it to me, how the apostels he apointed to be his witnesses don't count. You see I have been answering you now it's your turn. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I would suggest your read The Late, Great Planet Earth. Totally not a work of the Saints.
God has not failed and his apostles do count, I’m not sure why you would think that.
I’m not sure what you end is with this Numbers verse.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous No answer the question you tossed it out there. Come put up or shut up. Of course you don't get the refeence youv'e been calling
God a liar for 2 week's. Again put up or shut up.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I did. It is found in that book. So read it. After all it is written by someone I'm sure you share beliefs with.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous put up or shut up. I'm not interested in your man worship. You brought an accusation. Put up or shut up. After all you started it. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Your calling God a liar, now your refer to a book written by another man as evidence? I thought the B.O.M was the most accurate book ever written. Why do you need more?
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
lol
Of course he missed 29 on purpose; that's what cult's do. They cherry pick scripture to suit their bias instead of reading in context.
Jack44M 1 month ago
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Elangelzafiro 1 month ago
@Elangelzafiro
Good grief...put down the crack pipe.
Jack44M 1 month ago
@Jack44M LOL maybe, paint chip's and lead are involved.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@Jack44M cchessu mare sacare le meredinshee lpijh capish, roineng troutrs pensis ish sheee siezed of hoer a peanut .LOL !!!
Elangelzafiro 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
BWAHAHAHA
Jesus doesn't *KNOW* whether or not Smith will be alive in 56 years and his 2nd Coming is dependent on a man? That's the dumbest post you've made and you've made some truly ignorant statements. rofl
Jack44M 1 month ago
@Jack44M
Jack... you can be honest about simple facts. You have nothing to offer in your determined indentured war against your brothers. You will never listen to anything I say that does not agree with your opinion. So I will not bother.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@pappyforyou Likewise biblcally jesus said there were those hearing his words that day who would not die before seeing his return, and here we are nearly 2000 years later. Failed prophecies aren't a problem for the religious, especially those of the abrahamic persuasion. They just make excuses to cover for themselves.
humanistheart 1 month ago
@humanistheart did you see my response to BeInnocuous ? For someone who dosn't believe in God you show alot of interest. Why is that ? I'm just asking . Your friend seem's Hell bent for leather to prove something. Again I said the L.D.S are under the burden of the law, Bible was right. He won't quit till either he win's or there is no God. Which show's me he like you are not seeking God. Prove to me the Bible is wrong . But fare is fare if I have to exam your evidence you must exam mine as well
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou "For someone who dosn't believe in God you show alot of interest. Why is that ? I"
When believers in god stop forcing their unethical beliefs on others, others will stop caring about their beliefs.
humanistheart 1 month ago
@humanistheart You are on an open forum friend, no one has forced anything on you. But it seem's I don't have that same priviledge. Your argument is just that argument without a basis.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou You are mistaken and twisting thing's, Your works are dirty rag's . Not mine,
I'm not sure why you think you can make this claim... or that i do not trust Christ.
2 Nephi 25:26
And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous What prophacies would you teach? Joseph looked into the hat in which he placed the stone, and received a revelation that some of the brethren should go to Toronto, Canada, and that they would sell the copy-right of the Book of Mormon. (utlm.org) How does one, own copy right's to scripture that they may sell it for their own gain? Ephesians 2:8 For by grace yea are saved through faith; and that not of yourself: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of work, lest any man should boast.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Deut 13:1-4 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2:And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying. Let us go after other gods,which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3: Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. #1
pappyforyou 1 month ago
#2 4:Ye shall walk after the Lord your God,and fear him and keep his commandments, and obey his voice,and ye shall serve him,and cleave unto him.5:And that prophet,or that dreamer of dreams,shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God,which brought you out of the land of Eygpt,and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in,So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous If you had any thing but lies you'd offer it, instead on name calling. That show's your fear and weakness in your faith. I don't have to prove the Bible right, it does it itslef. Your prophet made many statements tha prove him a liar. Yes you did say you don't need Jesus, You can keep the 10 commandments without Him remember. Why is it your B.O.M dosn't contain the plain and precious truth, given to you in D&C, actualy they contrdict each other any more lies? Understand ? I do
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Even with Jesus we do not keep the law... we sin. We do not need to keep the Law... We need to keep the atonement... That is what will fullfil the Law for us.
You are one prideful man with your judgments...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous You my friend are lost and in need of saving. Ask Jesus into your heart. Drinking water for His blood. Levened bread for His body. Calling Sunday the sabbath, all 3 ignore what Jesus taught B.T.W. You really shouldn't be chastising anyone. But reading and learning. Rom 14:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fullfilling of the law.) Again Article's of faith 3, So what are you talking about ? You are one scared person afraid to look at the Truth.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
So are you a 7th day or a JW?
You cry foul about being under a burden then claim that i'm under a burden of drinking wine unleavened bread Saturday sabbath.... I have no ill toward any man... yet you calim I'm lost then try to imply that you have love toward your neighbor...
Love is a principal of the gospel... If you need some basic lessons on the gospel you can report to your nearest LDS church and they can help you with your ignorance.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous LOL, no I'm believer in Christ. I worship on sunday but know it isn't the sabbath. I drink grape juice to represent Christ blood just like Christ said to do. You drink water because Emma tried to kill her hubby Joesph after the new and ever lasting covenant came into being. I use unlevened bread to represent His body. Because He was without sin. But my last time in an L.D.S church I witnessed a woman ex'd for being seducded by her home teacher. I don't need that kind of love......
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Matthew 6:19 Jesus said"Do not lay up for yourselevs treasures upon earth,where moth and rust doth corrupt and where theives break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven,where neither moth and rust corrupt, and Where theives do not break through and steal.:For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 22 For the light of the body is the eye. If therefore thine eye is single, thy whole body shall be full of light.We love Jesus that fulfill's it.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous Luke 18:9-14. God's grace makes us worthy not our work's ummmm.........want to borrow a Bible? An untainted one that is.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
I never said works or even faith makes us worthy... It is grace... All bibles are tainted... Or do you believe that you bible is without the mistakes?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous your just showing you haven't did any research for yourself. Watch that movie The Bible VS Joesph Smith. spout off. There have been over 4000 changes to the book of mormon. no history, The dead sea scroll's prove Joesph Smith tampered with the Bible.Wrote himself in that's why there are so many mistakes in the book of mormon. And his translation of the Bible.. I do believe in blasphamy,
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
how many changes are in the bible? The dead sea scrolls prove nothing...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous they prove , how accurate the KJV of the Bible is accurate today. Old testament. They prove Joesph Smith tampered with the old testament to make himself a prophet.What's more important than God's Word ? John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God
, And the Word was God 2: The same was in the beginning with God . 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
List the mistakes in the bible.
Thanks
Jack44M 1 month ago
@Jack44M
The comma seems to be a big mistake... don't you think?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5).
pappyforyou 1 month ago
@pappyforyou
Faith without Works is dead...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
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