Re: Evolution theory, is religulous. Part 1 of 17

[h2omanz]

Fairy tales?

Did you hear about the one of the rock that eventually grew legs, then eventually became human? Goo to Zoo to You

That's a good one, at least my fairy tale has a happy ending.

gotta go to work...provide your proof.

Try praying for your friend....

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz Dude, one of the reasons you believe in a Fairy Tale is BECAUSE it has this bullshit happy ending. Seriously, according to what your people say it's possible for even HITLER to be accepted into the Gates of Heaven.

Mine is more realistic because it DOESN'T claim to have ALL the answers. Unlike your's where "Cuz God Wanted It" can be the answer for every fucking thing. Why's the sky blue? Why are there evil people in the world? Why is 2+2=4? Cuz God wanted it that way.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee No i believe in it because when you study the Bible it makes sense, ToE is full of holes and fails the criteria of the scientific method.....horribly. I used to believe in ToE until I studied both, bias free. Not science, it goes against the 5 definitions that makes things science 1-Observational data 2-Accurate predictions 3-Logical 4-Open to criticism 5-Accurate information 6-No presuppositions ToE fails all of these,,,,,,hard

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz You think I'm fighting with you? I could see how you'd think that but I'm not. That's just how I am. I cuss to show the passion I have for my arguement. I'm not cussing towards you. I'm cussing about the entire mindset of the religious right. I have no idea if you're a part of them or not. But you're at the very least RELATED to that movement.

Do you not see the self-fullfilling prophecy happening in the world? Your rapture is about to come true but not cuz it's Holy.

[elantriv]

google Doe's Account. mindblowing.

[swaggajee]

@elantriv Mindblowing....for people with insignificant pea-sized brains. It's clearly a hoax.

Let's say YOU just discovered the afterlife. And you wrote all about it in a "diary". Would YOU leave that diary laying around in a hotel room to possibly get thrown out by the maid?

HELL NOOOO!!!

The whole reason for being a scientist is to be the 1st to DISCOVER something no other person has. And a discovery like this would be bigger than "Newton's Laws".

[h2omanz]

make your bed....(jk)

not really a defense, just linking a vid

there are just as many vids againt mr.millers theory,

not really enough proof on either side, and to believe one and not the other is a decision usually based on your belief(God vs. evolution)

[OnionsMakeYouCry9]

Evolution is NOT a "belief" Whenever people say that I nearly have a hemorrhage in my head. Stop taking peoples word for it and LOOK INTO IT yourself and you'll find that it makes perfect sense if you go into it with an unbiased mind set. The misconception is that you can't have God and Evolution. Personally I am an atheist but it boggles my mind when people think Evolution's whole purpose is to "kill" God. (Logic and scriptures themselves already did that)

[h2omanz]

it is not fact so yes it is a belief, just as God is to you

i do/have look into it and find too many flaws and gaps

i dont believe, but respect christians that believe in evolution

as i do you and others beliefs/non-beliefs

as far as bias your last statement is hypocritical

[h2omanz]

also evolution is a religious philosophy disguised as science, going back a long time before Darwin.

Early philosophers such as Thales, Anaximenes, Anaximander, Empedocles, Epicurus, Lucretius, Heraclitus, Democritus, Plato and Aristotle, all espoused the evolutionary philosophy in one form or another, and incorporated it into their religion.

Modern day philosophers and ethnologists such as Richard Dawkins carry on in the same religious fervour about evolution.

[OnionsMakeYouCry9]

I don't even know what to say. That blew my mind. Do you know what Biological Evolution is? (Rhetorical, I no longer waste my time with people with ridiculous claims)

[h2omanz]

i know all about genetic variation and natural selection

fresh outta high school and you know the answers to life?

take time to discover other possibilities other that what your science teacher has taught you,no offense, but you havent experienced life yet(ive studied religion longer than youve been alive)

i too find it kinda ridiculous arguing over such matters

-best

[OnionsMakeYouCry9]

As you haven't experienced reality, no offense. I've done my studies and it doesn't take a genius to see that every single mainstream religion is absurd and fails on multiple levels. I rejected Christianity far before I knew anything about Evolution. I love when people like you say that too "all the answers to life" so ironic considering YOUR worldview and all religious ones alike are supposed to be exactly that. It's sad, when you die, you won't even get to know you're wrong.

[h2omanz]

lol

again you have 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason i suggest you take advantage of it

as far as there being no God, and failing on multiple levels?

and that you rejected religion long before you knew about evolution

, what when you were 12-15 years old, that makes it even less stable of an argument

am i suppose to take a preadults notion of the truth seriously?

[OnionsMakeYouCry9]

Well I read the Bible and that's all I needed to do to reject Yahweh. I suggest you do the same. Am I supposed to take an adult that believes in fairy tales seriously? No.

[h2omanz]

if you read the bible without an intent of it being a possibility

and having absolute doubt, it will have no effect

ask God with an honest heart to reveal Himself and He will(in His own time and way)

the fairytale is man coming from goo.......

both sides make extraordinary claims so its up to you to decide based on personal research, not what a church

or a science teacher tells you

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz BS!!! Evolution is NOT a religion. Religion is based on FAITH in something. Evolution is based on the SCIENCE of biology along with a HISTORICAL record.

You realize that the Bible was written by people who were alive several HUNDRED years after Christ? These people also believed the Earth was flat, the Sun revolved around the Earth, and other beliefs proven by SCIENCE to be total nonsense.

So go ahead and keep believing in a book written by ignorant retards.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

Wow I thought your reply was from a tweenager. Any belief system that directs and depicts your lifestyle IS a religion. ToE requires much faith, since the proofs have all been fabricated to make up for the lack of evidence. ToE is based on naturalistic explanations not science, as it goes against everything real science is. The Bible was written by people 100's of years after Christ?Not sure where you get your info from(atheistic websites) but you've proven yourself an ignoramous.

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz You're the ignoramous. It is general knowledge (even Christian leaders and scholars agree with this) that it wasn't till about 65 A.D. that the New Testament was starting to be put on paper and it wasn't untill about 140 A.D. that all the books you see in the NT of the Bible were completed. And it wasn't untill 300 A.D. that the Bible we know of today was put together.

I refuse to continue with you if you can't even acknowledge basic facts that your own people agree upon.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

I have vast knowledge of the Bible, You mentioned the Bible was 'WRITTEN"' HUNDREDS of years after Jesus. If you don't believe me reread your post. As hundredS is quite inaccurate. The books are finished in 96 CE. 60yrs,not hundreds, yes the books were compiled later, but NOT written. Your claim was just inaccurate. You can refuse to continue all you want, but you need to get your facts straight prior accusing someone else. Ignoramus Extraordarious....lol

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

2. Bible states the earth is a sphere not flat, sun around the earth yes. Science is self correcting 'always',Religious claims are in the few. Should I believe in a book written by a man that wasn't even a scientist, a plagiarizer, inbreeder?One who's claim aren't scientific? Yeah that makes great sense....lol

Being a puppet in an ever changing religion is no way to live your life. What you hold/fight to the death as fact today, will be thrown out tomorrow, ToE is famous for this.

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz You still don't get it. Science is NOT a religion!! Religion is based on FAITH!!! In order to believe in God & Jesus you must have FAITH that someone in the dark ages didn't eat a magic mushroom (since they were so accustomed to eating things in the wild) and completely hallucinate Jesus Christ walking on water.

Science is based on FACTS!! Science is something that can be DUPLICATED and made into a Law (ex. Newton's Law). Religion is a bunch of hearsay.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

Religion. Without proof of ToE you need faith, plain and simple. The prophet Dawkins is the most religious person alive today. Dark ages? People that breath air from bongs live in the dark ages, this has been scientifically proven.

I agree science is based on facts, psuedoscience is not.

Religion is heresy to the untutored, bias, god-haters, self justificators, the drug induced ...lol

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz Wake up and take the blinders off you fucktard. Evolution HAS been proved. The Missing Link has already been discovered. Google it and learn something you clueless Jesus Freak. They've found the link from fishes to land creatures. Hell, there was an entire series of it on YouTube...probably taken down by now for copyright shit.

They may not have the link from Ape to Man but they got one between other species....PROVING Evolution is REAL!!!

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz As for the NT writing timeline...Wikipedia has this to say: All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than the mid-2nd century.[1]

And the source they site?

See the standard New Testament introductions listed below under "Further reading": Goodspeed, Kümmel, Duling and Perrin, Koester, Conzelmann and Lindemann, Brown, and Ehrman.

You fucktard, even your standard Bible admits it.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

Good news, your problems are easily solved.

1) Wikipedia is bias, if you don't believe me 'google'-ha(wikipedia bias)all the false claims, bias, deceit, frivolous gossip, and blatant errors, corrections, individual NON SCHOLAR sources. The creator is an ATHEIST...go figure?erroneousness!

2. Using the internet/utube as a source for the truth/information, is why today's gullible youth is so easily persuaded into believing anything they read as FACT. It is really quite sad...

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

2) May I suggest University libraries for research on any subject you may want to 'actually' learn.

3. Obviously by the flustered use of obscenities, it's always used in place of knowledge.

4. You tell me to take the blinders off, however I am not the one in a marihuana induced coma, nor do I get my education from the internet. I have studied ToE and religion for the past 20+yrs and have never seen proof of evolution nor one missing link.

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz I love how you completely dismiss Wiki's source. You may not like Wikipedia and try to dismiss it. But you can't dismiss a SITED SOURCE!! If my quote hadn't been sited then you would have a very valid point. Do just a little research you witless fuck and you'll see that the MAJORITY of Biblical Scholars agree that the current books of the New Testament were completed around 140 AD. Other books that didn't make it in (Judas, Thomas) were completed in 300 AD.

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz Maybe I am looking through a marijuana haze but at least I don't have fucking blinders on like your retarded ass.

How about the Biblical Plauges? Science has explained that it was all a cycle of events spawning from a volcanic eruption. People misunderstood an eco-system being destroyed as God's Wrath. They didn't know that zero frogs around would make instects go crazy and spread diseases everywhere.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

So you admit you live in a haze. Fact is being high dilutes reality. So to say I have blinders on is illogical as I can see clearly with a grasp on reality. I used to smoke for 25yrs, wasted my youth. Life isn't meant to be lived in a fog, nor are you to rely on substance to escape the real world. Your last comment..no comment

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz I didn't admit to anything. You're problem is that you have a reading comprehension issue. Just because you wasted your youth doesn't mean that I am.

Grasp on reality? HAHAHA!! You believe in fairy tales. The REALITY is that you have no damn clue why I get high. And you have a superior complex (like most religious people) because you have a prejudice that all stoners are hazed out, ignorant, couch potato losers like you used to be.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

Your words... 'Maybe I am looking through a marijuana haze'. I am not the one not with comprehension issues. I learn from observing. Your statement, your vids, your words paint the picture pretty well . I don't think I'm better than anyone else what I do claim is that I am forgiven, not perfect. And I will admit that I was a couch potato, until I pulled my butt outta the ground. Waiting for answers to my questions..

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz Yes, those are my words. But do you not comprehend what the word MAYBE means? Yes, I am in a haze. If you take the word of some prejudicial, small-minded, uneducated, right-winged religious asshole. But anyone who knows me and actually gets to know ME...and not some persona I used for my videos...knows that my mind works with 100% clarity.

Funny how you love to quote research but when 99.9999% of the scientific community says that Evolution exists and is real you choose to ignore it.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

if I stated I was living in a haze, it doesn't sound like I have my head on straight. If you look at my first comment I didn't come looking for a fight, you directed the path we have taken, I just followed. If you want to continue in a fashion of discussion I am up for that as I don't take insult well just like everyone else. 75%of todays scientists believe in God. They are just asked to leave Him at home when they go to work.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

3)Since you are so confident that it is fact pls prove proof/missing link so I can tell you how you have been lied to.

On your post description you state that you DESTROY misinformation..lol. you introduced a video, then mumbled something at the end in marihuanaize.

....you slay me!

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz Hey, dumbass. I said that I had seen a copyrighted thing on youtube about the missing link. If you'd like to know it was Nova off PBS. Unlike your dumbass who likely watches nothing but the propaganda channel FoxNews, I watch real news like PBS, BBC, and other publically financed sources.

No, my obscenities are from frustration for having to deal with uneducated douchebag assholes like you ruining this country with your Christian Crusade against Muslims.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

1. lol.. lots of hate..kinda sad you have to resort to highschool tactic to make up for lack of discussion. Utube is not a good source for education, like I stated earlier. Wiki has been documented by rep. scholars of the endless errors found on their pages(did you research all the claims against them? where they get their info from...prob not). I don't get my info from tv, fox is bias as is bbc, they all are bias. Again my info/education comes from BOOKS, todays youth rely...

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

2. ..on faulty internet posts. Muslim crusades??lol I believe you have religion and God mixed up. Lets just say the Bible is finished in 140ad(further study will prove not). However you claimed that it was finished SEVERAL HUNDRED years after Christ's death. This is were this began and I was just correcting you. You may think of Christians to all be like the tv evangelists, 99% of them are not and have used God as an excuse to be a thief, I despise them as much as most atheists.

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz Yes, SEVERAL HUNDRED. Not all the Books of the Bible are included in the Bible. And some of those Books weren't written till SEVERAL HUNDRED years Jesus existed. Jesus Fucking Christ!! Do I need to break out the gawdamn Crayons for you to understand that concept? Even the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest known existing Biblical document, can't be placed anywhere close to the Time of Christ.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

1.Crayons yes, for me, no.

When you claim the Bible was written several hundred yrs later you are incorrect in your statement, Not all ancient Judeo-Christian texts made it into the Christian Bible, true. These were stories of the early church. Most documents that are considered historical fact average at 1000yrs after the event. The Bible therefore is considered to be quite remarkable. The last book was dated before the 2nd

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

2. century OF THE BIBLE.Get the red crayon out, religious writings have been written up till today, however I don't consider them books of the BIble. Dead sea scrolls are dated at 200 BC. Where did you get your info...Wiki

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz I got your red crayon. Yes, there are TONS of Biblical publications still going on to this day. But we're talking about the ones that are allegedly DIRECTLY linked to Jesus and once purposed to be INCLUDED in the Bible.

My bad about the Dead Sea Scrolls. Forgot why I brought it up. Have much more on my mind than your fairytale religion or this bullshit debate after spending most of my weekend in the hospital worrying about a friend of mine.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

3.Do a little research? Funny. I have studied Toe/religion for the past 20+ years. You prove that you don't do real study, just take someones word for it. The missing link is still missing, you site one source for it? Study about 200 more, bias free from both sides of the field then get back to me.

Please provide proof of ToE and what the missing link actually is.

BTW what is Irreplaceable Complexity...never heard of it..

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz Irreplaceable Complexity is the theory behind Intelligent Design. See, evolution is about mixing and matching. Like breeding a poodle with a labrador to come up with a big dog that has poodle hair and intelligence. And Irreplaceable Complexity is was trying to show how the bacteria flagellum all by itself is useless. Meaning that a God had to specifically design it that way. But science showed how the flagellum CAN funtion on it's own...just in a different manner.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

Sorry it was a joke, as I know all about 'Irreducible' complexity (IC).

On your post you labeled it as 'irreplaceable' complexity, no such thing

[swaggajee]

@h2omanz So you're still denying that there's a Religious War going on? Have you been hearing what your fellow Christians have been saying about the mosque that isn't a mosque being built near Ground Zero? And you realize that Muslim fanatics have already declared War on the West?

If you Christians can't live in peace next to Jews, Muslims, Buddists, and Aethiests then the End of the World will indeed happen. A new crusade will happen and it'll be nuclear armageddon.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

I never denied a reg. war. The Bible is very clear since it gives detailed description of the first arab born. How he and his 1/2 jewish brother were in conflict. The Bible prophesy has proven to be the word of God...by fulfilling prophesy that is impossible to predict(last 10 happened in 1948). Could some of the prophesies be self fulfilled...of course. But there are 2000 of 2500 given that have come to past, the last 500 are in the last days...we are in the last days.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

2. You also state that I believe in the Bible because of the happy ending? Fact is I told you that I was taught that evo was fact. I did and still do follow/study both ToE/religion

for many years, and know quite a bit more than the average joe on both. You claim to dismiss the Bibles claim and prove that you have very little understanding/knowledge of it. It like this example, You tell me that the salsa in the bowl is

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

3. ....yet you have never tasted it, that's how illogical it is for someone to tell what is what with 'experience and study'. Again I have studied both bias free, and concluded with what has facts to back up the claims. ToE is not even scientific.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

4. The Bible is clear of a one world order and everything else the prophets 3000yrs ago professed is all lining up to the tee. Keep your eye on Israel as the prophesies tell exactly what is and will happen and it is not by self fulfillment.

[h2omanz]

@swaggajee

ADD THIS ONE IN AS 2.5

extremely hot

[erich10001]

watch my vid response it explains it alll

[GoneBad666]

If all animals arent related, how come all sperm look the same?

[HotFuzz456]

because that's what god wanted....

HAHA I joke, your right

[datzfast]

because all sperm do not look alike any more than all single cell motile cells look the same

[1TtidnaB]

There is no point in debating with religious people, they are sick. They are utterly psycotic in their blind belief in fantasies that dont exist outside the psycotic mind.

[datzfast]

you are using force, that s not cool.

i have to question ,has your desire to find truth replaced religion with the evil desire

to kill a god that doesn't exist, the very definition of psychotic.

[ShilohX1]

csadler... Well said!!!!!!

[swaggajee]

Wow, a real life retard. Let me destroy your dumbass theory. In an assembly line you have nuts and bolts and whatnot. Those things have only ONE purpose. You can't take a nut and make it into a screwdriver.

But you CAN with different parts of different cells. That's the GOD DAMN definition of EVOLUTION. If you can do one thing and then combine with something to do something entirely different then you evolved into something new.

[SepherSerado]

Eh? He seemed to have a rather valid point, based off of what I understood from his talk. Science is important stuff, not a waste of time. I guess I'm just one of those who'd rather make up his own mind.

[ORUPRANKSTAZ]

RNA contains information. Information is designed.

How about God creates the process of evolution and people have their heads stuck up their asses too far to accept it?

I myself am a Christian, but I acknowledge evolution. These bkwrds folks just have 2 look at gravity for an example. It's a law put in place. If I were God, I would not be pulling you down when you jump on the basketball court (as one moron proposed). It's gravity. Evolution was also set in motion. No fight btwn God & Science

[Pyroman162]

to believe in evolution and christianity both just shows a lack of understanding of the two. They are incompatible ideologies. The entire Christian bible from front to back was originally written hundreds of years before empirical science ideologies even began. People have an innate desire to explain the world around them, and God is their explanation. I myself have never seen anything supernatural, I have a strict scientific mindset, I believe in empirical data.

[christinecasey1]

I would just like to hear your answer..

Because Dinosaur bones have been found, isit a fact that they were here?

May sound dumb but there is a point to this question.

[Pyroman162]

Dinosaur bones being found is evidence of them existing at one point in time, yes. may I ask what you are postulating?

[christinecasey1]

Would you not say it can only be a theory if i can place another reason for the bones being there?

If i was to theorise in saying Dinosaur bones were infact put there by aliens, they never existed at all, does this rule out the possibility of it being a fact?

May sound stupid but you cant prove im wrong.

The way i see it, science can only place theorys, nothing is proven. Evidence is meaningless when another argument can be used against it. Am i making any sense?

[Pyroman162]

You're right, there is no way to absolutely conclusively prove that aliens didn't put dinosaur bones in the ground. However, this "theory" quickly falls apart. Logic and reasoning need to be incorporated into theories, which science exhibits beautifully. Nothing has a higher standard for proof or theory than science. It would be ludicrous to think that aliens would travel billions to trillions of miles through space to put some "fake bones" in the ground. (continue in next comment)

[christinecasey1]

By the way, im not religious but at the same time not an athiest. If i cant prove something then i wont believe or deny it, i simply let those who do, believe and those who dont ,deny. But when the two cross.. Oh, i do like to have my say! Even if it is a little offbeat.

[Pyroman162]

It would be the same as saying, "can you prove that santa Clause DOESN'T exist?? you simply can't prove the non-existance of something that doesn't exist. Like God for example.

[christinecasey1]

Yes, science does "use" logic into its theorys but if you look at it this way. Logic is we are here, but there is no reasoning to why or how we are!? As you said, science cant prove (for example) that God doesnt exist like there is no real proof of "his" existance. That is the blind leading the blind! Science can only place theorys, none of it is absolute fact.

You cant discard something because it has no logic or reasoning, its theory, it can be anything unless PROVEN wrong by facts.

[adagioforsoccer]

you my friend are Not a Christian. The Holy Bible is The word of God and He created everything in 6 days.

John 12:25 (KJV)

He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. people dont turn to God because they love sin so much.God reaches out to save man and gets rejected.

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[csadler]

You can lead a creationist to knowledge but you can't make them think.

[Exhuman]

It's completely useless to argue with any "intelligent design" proponent, just like it is to argue with the creationist, because they're the exact same thing.

The arguments they all resort to are either "the scientists are lying," or, my favorite "the scientists are only arguing to keep the status quo."

ID/creation proponents should all be tarred and feathered, drawn and quartered, strung up on a tree by their toes and mounted with a sign saying "Flog me - I'm terminally irrational."

[AfterShockPivot]

"with 2 brunette parents giving birth to a redheaded baby that DNA can be jumbled up to produce something that isn't expected."

Because two similar homologous pairs of chromosomes can create a completely different DNA strand. This is also how many become mentally challenged.

[luhyx]

and i belive that god suck my dick every night

[maxtheking]

LOL

[curzmg]

Of course within evolution there are parts which are faith but only in the hopes of testing these and discovering if they are true. As Anselm proposed thinking supported by faith not faith supported by thinking. Science is thinking supported by faith. You think of something logically, you have faith in it, you test it - it works or it doesn't. xXx

[swaggajee]

You're joking right? Science is thinking supported by faith? Get the fuck out of here. You obviously have no idea what Science is then.

You see, before Science people probably thought there was some invisible ghost that pulled things towards the ground. But Scientist look for REAL reasons to why there is gravity. And eventually they figured out centripical force which is a LAW and happens 100% of the time anyone tests it.

[curzmg]

What I meant is that scientists think, test and only then put faith into a theory. Religious folks put faith in a theory then try every possible way to make it true through thinking. '100% of the time anyone tests it' see you now have faith in your theories. Plus even to construct a theory you need a little faith, then you test your faith and see if it can hold out. Stop trying to be 'the scientist' and relax - also try not to argue with those who agree. xXx

[bbugmenott]

i love this video

[laxplayer231]

Good video clip. However you do not quite have a grasp on DNA and hereditary traits. Two brunette parents can each have a red hair recessive gene, and if these two red haired genes come together then the child will have red hair.

[xXaustinXx0495]

lol wronger that proves the guy is a dipshit

[clausewitz777]

Thanks, this is a great example of creating a straw man and then knocking it down. Don't get me wrong, he really knocked down this straw man, quite decisively. Best of luck in knocking that concept of God stuck in your head out.

[edvedder420]

God save the Queen!

[aquatix]

Ugh...old news.

[TheWALOS]

These discoveries are called paradigm shifts, and they're doing an excellent job of phasing out the religious cancer.

[BreachedWall]

It's 'irreducable complexity'. But you're right that its a load of bullshit.

[N3CR1S]

i remember two years ago when i learned about type 3 secretion system i in school. the first thing the "pre flaggelum" does is to let this 10 proteins pump out an "inhibitor", and the more of this inhibititor that is pumped out, the more the late parts of the flagellum gets produced. its kinda smart, so that you dont start making a lot of penciles when you have nothing to write on.

[cboxgo]

Nice job owning that guy! :)

[HastaFatum]

Damn son; ramen, menthols, and a quap? You're good to fucking go.

[greennation]

You, the shepherd of truth, made my day. Especially after that schizophrenic (hallucinating the sun) turned off comments. I had a more philosophical requital to his miniature creationist Ferrari; you can't infer cause from effect alone.

[PaniLusia]

damn people, stop that blah-blah-yade-yade about god's existence. how can anyone scientifically prove existence of god? we live in material, not spiritual world, we have world of time, energy and matter, our ability of understanding is so small as our brains compared to universe. we are not even able to embrace meaning of "infinity" or that before big bang was no time or matter. can u imagine?? so WHAT coud be THEN, if there was no TIME?

god is not to understand with our limited earth brains.

[bigduggieface]

PaniLusia says "how can anyone scientifically prove existence of god? we live in material, not spiritual world..."

Nonbelievers would agree with this statement. They would then ask HOW and WHY the believer could know that a spiritual god exists.

Existence of god(s) seems to me to be a human concept. An abstract invention of the mind.

There have been countless gods throughout history. Even today none of the thousands of religious denominations can agree with each other.

[swaggajee]

I must agree with bigduggieface and would like to make a point of my own.

Scientists, or at least any scientist with any type of credibility, would not rule out the existance of a God till there can be evidence to disprove God.

But the same can't be said for religious folks. The possibility that God doesnt exist is completely foriegn to them.

Thats called fanaticism where you ignore logic in support of a belief.

BTW scientists have a better grasp of infinity and all that than others.

[PaniLusia]

By no means, i believe in science and evolution.

And in the same time, i don't need any scientific proofs to God's existence. People are believers or they are not.

Calling religious people fanatics is a bit too much i think. Great most of people believe in spiritual things like horoscopes, amulets, ghosts, "lucky" and "unlucky" days or clothes or whatever, reincarnation, power of mind and shits like that. So 99% of people are fanatics? Science would rather say thats something wrong with that 1%.

[swaggajee]

First off, science does believe in random events like "luck" except that they call it "chance". Example: by chance our caveman ancestors discovered fire and it changed civilization. So your wrong about that.

Secondly, your number is bullshit even without me destroying your "luck" arguement. So I won't even acknowledge your bullshit and nonsensical arguement with a response.

But the definition of a fanatic is pretty clear. And from the things you've said makes you one.

[PaniLusia]

nah, dude, YOU are fanatic, not me.

I believe the same things as you do, only that i believe in some things more. You believe in material world and i believe in material world AND spiritual world. I find in this logic and wisdom, if you don't, tough, if that suits you, fine with me. Live your life of bit smarter monkey and i will live mine, of god's best creation.

btw, u could be bit nicer as well... politeness is still for free...

anyway, i'm bored of this pointless conversation.

[swaggajee]

I'd be nicer if you wouldn't make shit up. How do you expect me to carry on an intelligent debate when the other person is just making up bullshit.

With every word you say you keep proving your fanaticism. You claim to know the spirit world when the fact is NO ONE DOES!!! You claim you're living your life as God's best creation and us non-believers are just more intelligent monkeys.

Can't you see your fanaticism? Being blind to facts and a feeling of elitism is FANATICISM!!!

[swaggajee]

Winston Churchill once said: A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

That's you right down to the letter. I've asked you several different questions and I've brought up several bits of evidence. But you continue to ignore my evidence (can't change his mind) and just go on and on about how you know both the material and spiritual world (won't change the subject).

[PaniLusia]

Dude, fanaticism is when you don't accept or tolerate anyone's but your point of view. So, i guess its you, not me. I dont care what you believe and i dont call your believes a bullshit.

Your arguments, against mine, were strange, and come from not understanding what i was saying. You call fact, that dead atoms came into life and evaluated into point, when they have an abstract thinking a "chance", i call it "miracle".

[swaggajee]

First off, I never said your belief is bullshit. I said the "facts" youre bringing into this debate was bullshit. Like 99% of humans believe in something "supernatural". THAT'S BULLSHIT!

You did call me a monkey and claim to know the spirit world exists. It's right there for everyone to read. You told me to live my life as a slightly more intelligent monkey while you're going to live as a human. Tell me how that's not elitist and an insult. Cuz you know God makes u better than me? Be honest.

[PaniLusia]

I already said what i ment.

You believe humans are nothing but smarter monkeys, and thats how u see yourself.

So you live and shape your life thinking you are smarter monkey with no soul or higher destiny.

And i believe we are god's best creation with immortal soul, and this is how I try to live my life. This is exactly what i meant.

If I called u monkey, that would mean that i think i was created by god but you werent.

Anyway, im not discussing this anymore.

Lets just agree that we don't agree.

[SirFiNiX]

"So you live and shape your life thinking you are smarter monkey with no soul or higher destiny."

In my case, yes, that's correct. Although, to be exact, I'd call us smarter, more ATTRACTIVE monkeys. :P

[PaniLusia]

I never said i know spirit world, i said i think its logical that it exist.

And i didnt say you're a monkey cos u don't believe in God.

I said that if you don't believe in God, u believe humans are nothing but animals, who got smarter, and who will just rot after death, end of story. And i believe people are something more then that, so for me and you, our lifes means something different.

Thats why i don't want to discuss your arguments, because you just don't get what I'm saying.

Peace.

[SirFiNiX]

"I never said i know spirit world, i said i think its logical that it exist."

Please extrapolate on that.

"u believe humans are nothing but animals, who got smarter"

No, I believe that humans are animals. Period. We're members of the ape family. I see nothing to be ashamed of in being an animal.

"who will just rot after death"

Right.  That this is our only life. Does that not make it all the more valuable?

[SirFiNiX]

"Live your life of bit smarter monkey and i will live mine, of god's best creation."

God created the universe (hypothetically). The universe is pretty frickin' big. What makes you think that humanity's god's best creation?

[PaniLusia]

Oh, and science and amazing things of nature, like that dead matter that we are made of, somehow is living and thinking, for believer are an evidence. And about science, we make new discoveries like every day, and we know how much we don't know yet. So i wont leave faith for something thats still one big unknown. For me, science and its mysteries are proof.

But u know, people believe in what they think is right, i don't mind. As long as they don't call me moron for believing in God.

[swaggajee]

That's not evidence for God. Maybe if we were the only living things in an environment where nothing could survive then you'd have a point. But we're not the only thing that can live and think.

So by your reasoning Gorrillas that can communicate via sign language deserve to go to Heaven with you?

And you're a complete fanatic. Listen to how you sound. "I wont leave faith for something thats still one big unknown". Your faith has blinded you from seeing religion is equally as unknown.

[greennation]

The god that you imagine is a pure fabrication of your own humble, human mind. You cannot possibly know what god is since no where on earth you had that experience. If you take your time to consider what it is that you can possibly know, you'll find that god can only come from within. And what's within is that small part of your brain, which evolved to keep you in awe and submission before the alpha male, is somewhat subdued in people with higher IQ and the ability to think for themselves.

[PaniLusia]

wow, AMAZING. In just 500 letters u turned 2000 years of human history upside down! Ingenius. I feel like 100% convinced. Of course, u cannot prove things that u believe, so cant i, but... of course, your believes are SO MUCH BETTER than mine! You must have really high IQ. Something around 75. Had u ever think of publishing a book with your philosophies? "How to be annoying moron, in 10 easy steps". "step 1- things that u cant see, doesnt exist. Please be carefull when closing your eyes."

[greennation]

This is Youtube, a place for being creative with 500 characters, have an exchange of only references to ideas that offer complete explanations, and have fun while at it, without serious attempts to 'convince' anyone. But for some it is that imaginary world, in which they are fighting like that rabid dog for their imaginary master, with their mouth full of foaming madness. Incidentally, thy lord thinketh thou art a hypocrite, loose his name and don't embarrass your own.

[SirFiNiX]

"we make new discoveries like every day, and we know how much we don't know yet. So i wont leave faith for something thats still one big unknown."

God of the gaps? Why fill in the gaps with god? Why not fill them with what actually lies there: mystery? The unknown? Why have faith that god fills those gaps?

[PaniLusia]

sirfinix (or whatever)

how can i possibly argue with someone who thinks he is an attractive monkey?

I'm sorry, im really done with trying to explain anything to atheists. It is painfully hopeless, it looks like where your ceiling ends, my floor starts. We r not compatible.

Faith is incredibly wide topic, if you want to be ape, fine. If u want to understand, there is a playlist "for stuart" on my channel, try to watch it.

or do whatever u wanna, im done with "Save the Ape" project. dont care.

[SirFiNiX]

"If u want to understand, there is a playlist 'for stuart' on my channel"

It's not there.

Regardless, I've read Mere Christianity cover-to-cover, and I thought that that book was full of logical fallacies.

Unless you've got something better than Mere Christianity in that playlist of yours, I doubt it will convince me of much.

Furthermore, I believe I DO understand faith. in fact, I would even go so far as to say that I understand faith better than you do. Try me.

[SirFiNiX]

"how can i possibly argue with someone who thinks he is an attractive monkey?"

Why can't you? Especially when he clearly called himself an attractive monkey in good humor.

[aquatix]

I agree Sir. Can you imagine where we could have been as a society if the evolutionary malfunction called religion did not use God of the gaps? Religion holds us back as a species...

[SirFiNiX]

"Scientists, or at least any scientist with any type of credibility, would not rule out the existance of a God till there can be evidence to disprove God."

Wouldn't rule it out, yes, but many would say that the odds are against the existence of a god.

[SirFiNiX]

"so WHAT coud be THEN, if there was no TIME? "

We don't know.

[Dtownshutemdown]

Great vid swagga but too many big words at my bed time...lol

[heavyg94]

I am againts evolution because the Bible says we were CREATED in the image of God not evolve from a monkey. By the way Bill Maher is an idiot....lol JMO ;-)

[swaggajee]

BTW, Shango's been back this week. We've missed ya in the chats. I think you would have had fun with today. lol

[heavyg94]

Yeah for some reason I have no sound at work so it wouldn't do me anygood to get in there. I am still bummed about not being able to go to the game

[swaggajee]

Hmm, I wonder if that's a computer issue or a hardware problem. If it's hardware you could maybe use a set of headphones if the cord is long enough.

Sucks about the game. Life happens sometimes. I'm holding my breath that nothing unexpected happens that will ruin my trip.

[heavyg94]

I think its a computer issue. But I can't be sure. Head phones wont work because I need to be able to hear the radio at all times. I keep telling Shango he needs to do his show in the evenings

[heavyg94]

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

[swaggajee]

That and the Ark don't make sense. If Adam & Noah had to deal with the 6+ billion species then how did the Grizzly Bear end up in North America, the Kangaroo in Australia, Penguins in the South Pole and Polar Bears in the North Pole, etc.

And if evolution isn't real. Then how can you explain the Killer Bees? Or a goldendoodle? Are those abominations against God or a creature of God? They weren't around for Adam & Noah to deal with.

[heavyg94]

the killer bees and goldendoodles are "creations" of man messing with the order of things. I am not going to sit here and try to claim to know EVERYTHING about the bible. No once can. And if they claim to they are a fool. I believe based on faith and things that have happend in my personal life I believe was God's doing. If you choose not to believe more power to you. I believe as the bible says. Every knee will bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord

[heavyg94]

GENESIS 1:1-31 NUFF SAID

[swaggajee]

But see, even Genesis has it's issues. Chapter 1 says that God creates Adam & Eve at the same time. But then Chapter 2 says that God created Adam then Adam goes around naming all the animals and stuff and then got lonely and asked God for Eve.

Which is it? If it's Chapter 1 then Chapter 2 seems pretty blasphomous. I mean how dare Adam do the job of God and name everything.

But that's another video and topic to be coming soon.

[swaggajee]

But Id like to ask you why religion is so opposed to evolution? I mean if your God is so all powerful then couldnt evolution have been his means to create everything?

Even when I was a diehard Christian and going to church every Sunday. Thats what I believed. That God & Evolution were very much related.

But now Im sad to say that if there is a God then Hes forgotten about us a long long time ago. Its like Bill Maher said, whats God waiting for? Hes God, He dont need a cue.