@carroll89012 Why not? That's like saying segways can't balance on two wheels or B-1B Lancer's autopilot (from the 80s) can't fly nap-of-the-earth. I've designed automated aircraft that can detect obstacles and adjust their flight path accordingly for university competitions, so I assume the military has it figured out.
To replicate,1st,get some magnets,2nd,get pen n paper,3rd,tie magnet to goose,4th,tie other magnet to video camera,5th,use equation 48/2(9+3)=X to create a derivative of the speed of goose(y)/camera movement(x).it's really easy.
im no ornathologist, but geese fly in V shapes....not a scattered formation like this. but even then, this seems so surreal for cruise missiles, but hey, with technology these days, i wouldnt be surprised if they were..
Missiles that if you look closely are flapping? An aircraft overflying a flock of birds. The camera quite clearly pans backwards to track them as the plane flies over them. The illusion of speed is created by the fact the birds are closer to the aircraft than the ground and the camera is probably doing 600mph.
@VoodooTheChild those cruise missles are like a 500 thousand bucks a peice, i would hope that the people controlling it are proffessional. ofcourse thats my train of thought, and i have really no experiece in the military
Seems stupid fly 7 cruisers near enough to allow 1 pre-fragmented AAA round, a 76mm radar guided, or a 100mm EO guided take care of the "day attack" over a airfield, for example.
The latest Tomahawks, from Block IV (Tactom) onward at least, can be programmed to arrive at waypoints in four dimensions - i.e. also at the exact time specified. By having a bunch of missiles from a variety of platforms arrive at gradually converging waypoints you could easily end up with a formation following a path via a series of timed waypoints to one or more targets. This would be useful to saturate defences and to enable deconfliction with air assets.
I saw a website where a guy said this was taken from a C-130 camera, yet the 120th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron does not fly C-130s... so the title of the video is confusing.
I assume its the 120 EFS that is taking the video....?
Yet, they concluded that these are birds... you can almost see wings flapping, but it hard to tell if that is just video artifacts or not.
Amazing. We always see Fighter jets and UAVS supporting ground troops like in tears of the sun but they never show these things . these things would be cool to use in a movie or something just imagine guys are pinned down by enemy fire and one guy looks over and sees just all these big fuckin explosions and no air force over their heads. maybe one of the characters could be like "You know, It kinda makes you wonder Why the fuck we're here at all doesnt it"
Sigh.. honestly, I am not a guidance engineer and neither are you. so ok fine, those missiles are not missiles but planes, and they are not flying in formation because they are missiles and missiles can't do that. You all win.
Well you certainly picked an appropriate name. You obviously can't detect sarcasm. They are "obviously", not JDAMs. How could you think these are unpowered? They are flying perfectly straight at low altitude, JDAMs have to fly in a ballistic flight path, not a flat one.
Im not saying I know what they are but if they are JDAMs why would they drop so many to cover such a small area? Im under the impression that JDAMs are highly accurate. Just wondering?
formation flying cruise missiles? are you sure? what, they launched them off the same ship at the same time? Or did they launch them in sequence and their onboard autopilot formed the formation in mid-air for its tactical advantage?
Um. Compare the length of the missile to the width of the road. It has to be only a few hundred feet off the ground at best. You'll notice that they are also not on a ballistic flight path. If they were un-powered they would continue to drop, or attempt to keep a straight course and lose airspeed.
If anything they would follow one another several minutes apart.
It takes several minutes to prepare each one for launch.What would be the point of putting them in formation?
Why risk a collision? And since this is night vision,if they were missiles, the glow from their engines would be more pronounced.Thier hot vapor and smoke
IDK about that, cruise missiles don't fly that close, besides, this is a B-HOT image from a (NEW MExicO)F-16 FLIR...that is showing an azimuth that reveals it is slewed... i can't tell if it's to a radar target.... but cruise missiles? they wouldn't be that color in a B-HOT, unless the emissivity on the FLIR was set diff...
What angle would that have to be when it was centered at 13 seconds in and uncentered again at 28 seconds (roughly 15 seconds) and still cross 5 roads (or trails) in that time?
I'm not schooled in such things but those objects are moving fast and not travaling at geese speed.
Some birdbrain needs to come up with a better explanation than "Geese". The military is not in the business of producing nature videos and then storing and presenting them for later analysis.
The speed of the objects is difficult to determine, because the aircraft the footage was taken from was moving at a high rate of speed. And as the camera focuses on the objects the background changes at a fast rate, thus creating the illusion of speed. Imagine a fast moving passenger jet zooming in on a prop Cessna size craft several thousand feet below. In the resulting footage the background relative to the hypothetical Cessna would change rapidly; creating a similar effect as we have here.
Now I am not saying that it could not be missiles. (The Soviets developed the technology for flying missiles in formation to knock out our carriers.) What I am saying is that it is difficult if not impossible to determine the speed at which the objects were flying without the altitude of both the camera craft and the objects themselves. And as to what the military is in the business of videotaping: have ever seen the Apache footage of the Iraqis making love in a car? It gets boring out there.
Ok, as I said Soviet anti ship missiles did have the ability to fly in a swarm (do a search for: S-N-19 Shipwreck). Soviet subs had the ability to launch these missiles which were developed to take out our Carriers. (Thus denying Nato the command of the seas, so they could then take over the world.) Anyway one missile would fly above the formation to designate targets and the others would fly below in a formation, similar to what we see here. It is possible that the US now uses something similar
The now famously sunk 'Kursk' was one of the massive Soviet subs that were dedicated to the launching of these missiles. But as for these being Tomahawks or Harpoons, I seriously doubt it unless they have been seriously (and secretly) modified. Believe it or not there are highly intelligent people who track current missile technology through open source material, and are very much in tune with the latest tech, or even what is rumored to be the latest tech.
The bunching of missiles was specifically made for defeating the missile defenses of extremely valuable and well defended assets, i.e. naval ships. Using this ability to attack land targets which have no missile defense at all would not make any sense. There are two possibilities however, one: the tech has disseminated so far down that it is reasonable to attack targets which are not nearly as valuable, think of the modern use of smart bombs on terrorist infantry, it was once considered overkill
But of course this would not make any sense as by the time the tech becomes such a commodity to use on less valuable targets, it is impossible to keep it a secret. The second possibility is that the conflict in 2003 was used as a proving ground for a relatively new and still secret technology. But then this video would never have been released, unless of course by accident. Thanks for posting this video Herosmith, no matter what it really is, it is pretty cool.
And how far above the ground would that hypothetical Cessna have been? And how far above the ground were these hypothetical "geese"? (Cracks open high school trig book.) Sorry, try again.
A frame of reference illusion may indeed magnify the speed of the objects in formation, but the altitude of these objects is far too low for the relativistic explanation to hold water.
I am always willing to be wrong, especially if someone else can explain it well. You said that the altitude of the objects is too low... How are you determining the altitude of the objects in formation? The size of geese (1 meter in length) and the size of a tomahawk (6 meters in length) vary wildly. And I was never good at math but it seems that visually determining altitude would in part depend on that as a reference.
Anything that can be programed or controlled can form a formation. Its not hard to understand that. Theres a reason why theres wings on the missle. To allow it to maneveur or change target.
So, you, like Batman, have a little red phone that you just pick up and dial the "Tomahawk Program Manager" IN THE PENTAGON!? And that's the story he gave you? While you were talking, did you happen to find out who really killed Kennedy, or what's in Area 51, what about Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster? Not only a NERD, but a kook as well.
You do realize that every person in the world with a computer can access this and see what a friggin moe-ron you are.
I'd say it's the relative idiot factor combined with several generations of family inbreeding brought on by an optic differential caused by uptaking large doses of Wild Turkey at family reunion/ singles social that makes you see Iraqi Geese.
You got the relative motion thing right. When relatives have naked motion on each other, you get kids with cocomamie ideas like yours.
Well, bottom line, I suppose, is if you are stupid enough to believe what some ignorant fool puts up on the internet, then more power to you. The technical truth about a cruise missile's flight characteristics and capabilities is that it lacks the precision to fly that close to another missile, let alone 6 or 7 other missiles. Pure and simple. And if you think Iraq is nothing but desert, you are a dumber fuck then I initially thought.
You're full of shit and inbred genes. My grandfather used to fart and say it was Canadian geese. I knew it was just a fart, but the idiot neighbor kid would always look up and ask where the geese were.
Don't think you know anything about cruise missiles just because you launched a few on a fucking computer game. Nerd.
p.s. my previous response to your previous response blew your previous response out of the air- LIKE A CRUISE MISSILE or 7. BAHHH!
Hate to get into a pissing contest with a junior high kid, but when I put this question to the Tomahawk program manager at the Pentagon, he said that video had been analyzed and that there was no way 7 Tomahawk's could fly "formation" in that small a space. Based on where it was taken and how it was taken (C-130 optical tracking system) took it, it was determined to be large birds, most likely geese, and the relative speed of the Hercules make it look like they were traveling fast.
I can't get a real person on the phone when I call my insurance company, but you get a guy at the Pentagon to log onto youtube and analize a friggin flight video? Must be a special govermnent "You tube analysis division." Moe-ron.
I think I hear your mom coming into the basement to bring you a sandwich and a patch-kit for your blow-up doll.
You can't get a real person on the phone because you are a moron. I could talk to the Tomahawk program manager because my desk was 5 feet away from his, dork.
It took you a month to come up with that lie?!? You said you "called him", but now his desk is 5 feet away?! Fucking liar! A month and that's what you come up with. I hope everyone goes back and reads your bullshit, it's too funny. What a zero.
Who said I "called" him, douchbag? I said in the other post: "...but when I put this question to the Tomahawk program manager at the Pentagon..." You really need to cut back on your acne medicine.
Buddy u are full of shit. Explain then, Mr. Gov't agent. Why are "Pentagon Employees" fucking around on youtube? Why does the "Tomahawk program manager" have a desk in a row like a fucking telemarketer? You pal are the d'bag. You need to put down the video games and cheese puffs. Reality and fantasy are melding for you.
Whats more interesting is your obvious fascination with prepubescent kids? Care to address your weed, pimple cream, middleschool fixations?
Could you give the Tomahawk program manager another call and ask him why the geese in question appear to have a trail of heat emitting from the back of them?
I wasn't aware there were such things as jet powered geese to be honest.
A trail of heat? Lay off the weed, man. It does weird things to your brain.
I'll say it again - tomahawk cruise missiles lack the capability to fly in that sort of flight formation. Can't and won't and ain't gonna happen. Simple as that. As cool and as freaky and as kick-ass as you think it might be that we can do that, we can't.
This ain't no cruise missile formation. Its a "V" of Iraqi geese. The relative motion from the C-130 optical device taking the video is what makes it look like it is a formation of cruise missiles traveling from left to right.
Iraqi geese?! Right!! And with jet turbines up their asses too! Take a closer look at the 1st/2nd second (before the camera starts to move) and tell me exactly what species of bird flies at that speed...
Trust me. Relative motion from the C-130 taking the video causes the perception of speed. The formation is *not* flying from left to right in that vid. Tomahawk cruise missiles lack the precision to fly that close together.
I think i get it, they are actually flying in the same direction of the videographer who is covering the ground at the speed shown, the geese are just flying that much slower so it looks like they are hauling ass the other direction.
our species is vast. there are not as many bears and lions as there are humans. we are trying to eradicate the members of our species that hold the rest of us down. such as you crazy fucking middle easterners. there are plenty of non human mammals that kill each other.
Apparently they were heading for an airshow laid on by Saddam Hussain, where they did a superb aerobatic display before killing hundreds of his guards. Nice work.
Why do you hate your species..because they sometimes kill people as opposed to what? Species that do not kill such as a Bear..Nah they kill..a Tiger, maybe a Lion.. nah..they kill too..a spider..nah they kill.. the intelliget Dolphin..nope they kill other Dolphins and fish every day, maybe a sweet little birdie..nope he kills worms and insects on a daily bases and bigger ones kill sweet little fuzzy bunnies and squirrels.
well if you go around firing machine guns into the air in the middle of the desert while there's a goddamn war going on around you what the hell do you expect?
Mind you, I don't look down upon the technical genius that goes into making these puppies. It takes real engineering skill to make these.
Now, think about what we could do if we put all that brain power into actually trying to solve some real issues we're faced with instead of wasting it on fancy wars-of-opportunity.
well we do. Firstly the overwhelming majority of engineers and scientists do not work in anything to do with defense. Secondly those who have done so have already made MASSIVE contributions to modern society - computers, internet, GPS, helicopters, spaceflight advances in fluid dynamics/aerodynamics, materials science, just to name a little. All driven by military funding
What is really cool about this is that these missiles were launched from multiple platforms (ships, subs, etc.) ... the execution was so precise that they appear to be flying their flight paths "in formation"
these are the blue angels of cruise missles!!!
donnibrasko1 3 months ago
"Anwar, I hear something, stick your head out of the window and lo....."
HauptmannAmerica 4 months ago
neat
CephalopodsRock 6 months ago
Whoa thats crazy
ThreeCrowns 6 months ago
TLM's are subsonic.
busef1 8 months ago
Cruise missiles can't fly in formation!
carroll89012 8 months ago
@carroll89012 yeah, no way thats cruise missiles
101andrewj 7 months ago
@carroll89012 Why not? That's like saying segways can't balance on two wheels or B-1B Lancer's autopilot (from the 80s) can't fly nap-of-the-earth. I've designed automated aircraft that can detect obstacles and adjust their flight path accordingly for university competitions, so I assume the military has it figured out.
rcktpilot 5 months ago
It's not swamp gas?
t5239857289578947594 9 months ago
To replicate,1st,get some magnets,2nd,get pen n paper,3rd,tie magnet to goose,4th,tie other magnet to video camera,5th,use equation 48/2(9+3)=X to create a derivative of the speed of goose(y)/camera movement(x).it's really easy.
m4rkyboy 9 months ago
@m4rkyboy Yeah, I really bet someone went through all that just to make a youtube video about cruise missiles. Don't think so.
orangeblood307 9 months ago
@orangeblood307 this was to settle the goose/missile indeterminacy.Of course we apply pythagoras to X
m4rkyboy 9 months ago
@orangeblood307 The magnets are essential
m4rkyboy 9 months ago
@m4rkyboy hahahahahaha awesome comment. you know it's awesome too.
CaribbeanSkies 6 months ago
im no ornathologist, but geese fly in V shapes....not a scattered formation like this. but even then, this seems so surreal for cruise missiles, but hey, with technology these days, i wouldnt be surprised if they were..
abhiginimav 10 months ago
Missiles that if you look closely are flapping? An aircraft overflying a flock of birds. The camera quite clearly pans backwards to track them as the plane flies over them. The illusion of speed is created by the fact the birds are closer to the aircraft than the ground and the camera is probably doing 600mph.
criskeys 10 months ago
now that's cool
DeWellstein 10 months ago
Looks more like JDAMs falling at a slight angle than Toms flying straight.
TonyN737 10 months ago
someone had worst day in theyr lifes
kiesha86 11 months ago
TLAMs (Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles)
pmfabri 11 months ago
Wouldn't that be quite easily possible if the navy ship/submarine fired all seven at the same time to the very same heading?
totallygames 11 months ago
lol, looks like UFOS
Manthikor 11 months ago
fake
bcourter82 11 months ago
7 hands waving hello and goodbye
mycatwilatackyou 11 months ago
Wow how are they coordinating between each other to keep pace and speed. Amazing
VoodooTheChild 11 months ago
@VoodooTheChild those cruise missles are like a 500 thousand bucks a peice, i would hope that the people controlling it are proffessional. ofcourse thats my train of thought, and i have really no experiece in the military
paulinotou 10 months ago
geese travel in v formations or wide spread.....not that close to each other....also they really are going way to fast to be geese
rugby166 11 months ago
Geese? Really? Dont be dumb.
AmericanSupremacy1 11 months ago
$500,000 a piece... That's fuckin 3.5 million of ordinance right there...christ
strongman17 1 year ago
If the geese were high above ground and the the plane filming was travelling very fast a few hundred feet above them this is how it would look.
whteveridk 1 year ago
Geese! Iraqi geese? LOL!
paintballingfanatic 1 year ago
most likely dropped from a b52
lmola501 1 year ago
@lmola501 incorrect.
TheCombineoverwatch 1 year ago
good one USA,,,,,From Australia
godblessthebest 1 year ago
Seems stupid fly 7 cruisers near enough to allow 1 pre-fragmented AAA round, a 76mm radar guided, or a 100mm EO guided take care of the "day attack" over a airfield, for example.
muyterco 1 year ago
how many millions of dollars were flying right there??
museman007 1 year ago
@museman007 answer: there should have been 12
rphinks 1 year ago
The latest Tomahawks, from Block IV (Tactom) onward at least, can be programmed to arrive at waypoints in four dimensions - i.e. also at the exact time specified. By having a bunch of missiles from a variety of platforms arrive at gradually converging waypoints you could easily end up with a formation following a path via a series of timed waypoints to one or more targets. This would be useful to saturate defences and to enable deconfliction with air assets.
Orkneyshooter 1 year ago
That is intimidating.
jptravers 1 year ago
How do they prevent midair collisions
jdhiner1 1 year ago
Oh, those are the killer chickens I sent to Iraq. Glad to see they made it. :)
StormRisingOriginal 1 year ago
Dang, thats a Gang of missles. I think we should call them a "Missle Gang" ready to start shit on the Southside of Bagdad...
skeezysquirrel 1 year ago
thts clearly not geese dumass
Tomahawk1999 1 year ago
Woa
strongman17 1 year ago
that's awesome.
rinceresource 1 year ago
Holy Cow. I didn't know they could fly together like a squadron!
lst1195 1 year ago
lol why can i hear ride of the valkeries in my head?
aripimagigas 1 year ago 2
That's the real deal. Grouped for radar signiture reduction. Orgnaized formation flight. Exhaust signiture consistant.
0:20 over darkened background exhaust is more clearly visible than other portions of video.
actonbath 1 year ago
I saw a website where a guy said this was taken from a C-130 camera, yet the 120th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron does not fly C-130s... so the title of the video is confusing.
I assume its the 120 EFS that is taking the video....?
Yet, they concluded that these are birds... you can almost see wings flapping, but it hard to tell if that is just video artifacts or not.
wReCktangle 2 years ago
Well whatever the hell they are the people or things on the receiving end just got fucked!
IamElvisMemphis 2 years ago
.......or TALD decoy?
geoago 2 years ago
Amazing. We always see Fighter jets and UAVS supporting ground troops like in tears of the sun but they never show these things . these things would be cool to use in a movie or something just imagine guys are pinned down by enemy fire and one guy looks over and sees just all these big fuckin explosions and no air force over their heads. maybe one of the characters could be like "You know, It kinda makes you wonder Why the fuck we're here at all doesnt it"
SSJSasuke777 2 years ago
Why didn't he shoot them down?
segregator236 2 years ago
Cause they are American missiles. Iraqis didn't have anything that good. The skud was a piece of shit.
trollfinger 2 years ago
If they only knew what was headin for em .......... they probably still coudnt do shit
420hih 2 years ago
If i was an iraqi i would probably shit myself
Inwestory 2 years ago
those weren't cruise missiles, they have no formation capability, looked like fighter bombers to me
cornskid 3 years ago
lolwut. So the guys shooting them can't give their flight path a few meters spacing?
cas343 2 years ago
cruise missiles are not equipped to fly formation, why should they be? it's not what they are for.
cornskid 2 years ago
They have a programmable flight path yes? Then they can fly in formation.
Regular planes "aren't for" flying in formation either, but they're perfectly capable of it.
cas343 2 years ago
they do have a programable flight path but formation flying requires station keeping ability which they do not have
cornskid 2 years ago
Sigh.. honestly, I am not a guidance engineer and neither are you. so ok fine, those missiles are not missiles but planes, and they are not flying in formation because they are missiles and missiles can't do that. You all win.
cas343 2 years ago
Win?Lose?What are you talking about?
Oh, you must be one of those sad souls that has to be right to feel right.
They are JDAMS.
This video was on Ogrish years back.
That video showed the impact
as well.
Mrflamewar2 2 years ago
Well you certainly picked an appropriate name. You obviously can't detect sarcasm. They are "obviously", not JDAMs. How could you think these are unpowered? They are flying perfectly straight at low altitude, JDAMs have to fly in a ballistic flight path, not a flat one.
cas343 2 years ago
They are not flying in a flat path.That is an optical illusion caused by the camera following the bombs.They
are falling.That is why the camera fallows them diagonally.You are
under the impression that they keep traveling a greater
distance after the tape ends.They don't.The impact
of the bombs happen right a the end 0:32The targets were AA
guns in that wheat field.
Mrflamewar2 2 years ago
Im not saying I know what they are but if they are JDAMs why would they drop so many to cover such a small area? Im under the impression that JDAMs are highly accurate. Just wondering?
WMFTBL99 2 years ago
they are moving a bit fast for jdam.
Mattessj 2 years ago
Pretty cool!!!
brainards1 3 years ago
formation flying cruise missiles? are you sure? what, they launched them off the same ship at the same time? Or did they launch them in sequence and their onboard autopilot formed the formation in mid-air for its tactical advantage?
Or, its just a squadron of regular jets, duh.
dagnemrth 3 years ago
I've seen this video a while back with the munitions impacting.They are JDAMS dropped from a B-52.
Mrflamewar2 3 years ago
JDAMs are unpowered. More like CALCMs.
cas343 2 years ago
Why do you think these are powered?
JDAMS can glide pretty far.I'm not sure if CALCMS can be drop in
cluster like that.I don't
know maybe.
Mrflamewar2 2 years ago
Um. Compare the length of the missile to the width of the road. It has to be only a few hundred feet off the ground at best. You'll notice that they are also not on a ballistic flight path. If they were un-powered they would continue to drop, or attempt to keep a straight course and lose airspeed.
cas343 2 years ago
Why would Missiles fly in formation?
If anything they would follow one another several minutes apart.
It takes several minutes to prepare each one for launch.What would be the point of putting them in formation?
Why risk a collision? And since this is night vision,if they were missiles, the glow from their engines would be more pronounced.Thier hot vapor and smoke
would also be picked up by the camera.
Mrflamewar2 2 years ago 2
It takes several minutes to prepare each one for launch
A Vertical launch system gives it 20 secs + the fact that the tomahawks are launched from different ships
Boinkmakr 2 years ago
Supersonic geese clearly.
komakkun 3 years ago 19
@komakkun not really. Normal geese. They just had too many red bulls.
sobank 1 year ago
@komakkun
subsonic actually, but even still going 550 miles per hour just above teh tree tops is ridiculously fast.
rekke41 10 months ago
WOW.
JedAverill 3 years ago
IDK about that, cruise missiles don't fly that close, besides, this is a B-HOT image from a (NEW MExicO)F-16 FLIR...that is showing an azimuth that reveals it is slewed... i can't tell if it's to a radar target.... but cruise missiles? they wouldn't be that color in a B-HOT, unless the emissivity on the FLIR was set diff...
tippership 3 years ago 2
Missles don't fly in formation lol
WTCTribute 3 years ago 2
at 15 and 21 seconds you can see a faint disturbance behind the moving objects which could possibly be the heat generated from the missile's engine
ijustdiedtoday 3 years ago
Exactly
sphinxrising58 3 years ago
I think it's all 7 of the International Rescue ships sallying out at once.
JiggyHo 3 years ago
Slow moving geese?
What angle would that have to be when it was centered at 13 seconds in and uncentered again at 28 seconds (roughly 15 seconds) and still cross 5 roads (or trails) in that time?
I'm not schooled in such things but those objects are moving fast and not travaling at geese speed.
Some birdbrain needs to come up with a better explanation than "Geese". The military is not in the business of producing nature videos and then storing and presenting them for later analysis.
Herosmith 3 years ago 10
The speed of the objects is difficult to determine, because the aircraft the footage was taken from was moving at a high rate of speed. And as the camera focuses on the objects the background changes at a fast rate, thus creating the illusion of speed. Imagine a fast moving passenger jet zooming in on a prop Cessna size craft several thousand feet below. In the resulting footage the background relative to the hypothetical Cessna would change rapidly; creating a similar effect as we have here.
Morris1962 3 years ago
Now I am not saying that it could not be missiles. (The Soviets developed the technology for flying missiles in formation to knock out our carriers.) What I am saying is that it is difficult if not impossible to determine the speed at which the objects were flying without the altitude of both the camera craft and the objects themselves. And as to what the military is in the business of videotaping: have ever seen the Apache footage of the Iraqis making love in a car? It gets boring out there.
Morris1962 3 years ago
Ok, as I said Soviet anti ship missiles did have the ability to fly in a swarm (do a search for: S-N-19 Shipwreck). Soviet subs had the ability to launch these missiles which were developed to take out our Carriers. (Thus denying Nato the command of the seas, so they could then take over the world.) Anyway one missile would fly above the formation to designate targets and the others would fly below in a formation, similar to what we see here. It is possible that the US now uses something similar
Morris1962 3 years ago
The now famously sunk 'Kursk' was one of the massive Soviet subs that were dedicated to the launching of these missiles. But as for these being Tomahawks or Harpoons, I seriously doubt it unless they have been seriously (and secretly) modified. Believe it or not there are highly intelligent people who track current missile technology through open source material, and are very much in tune with the latest tech, or even what is rumored to be the latest tech.
Morris1962 3 years ago
The bunching of missiles was specifically made for defeating the missile defenses of extremely valuable and well defended assets, i.e. naval ships. Using this ability to attack land targets which have no missile defense at all would not make any sense. There are two possibilities however, one: the tech has disseminated so far down that it is reasonable to attack targets which are not nearly as valuable, think of the modern use of smart bombs on terrorist infantry, it was once considered overkill
Morris1962 3 years ago
But of course this would not make any sense as by the time the tech becomes such a commodity to use on less valuable targets, it is impossible to keep it a secret. The second possibility is that the conflict in 2003 was used as a proving ground for a relatively new and still secret technology. But then this video would never have been released, unless of course by accident. Thanks for posting this video Herosmith, no matter what it really is, it is pretty cool.
Morris1962 3 years ago
And how far above the ground would that hypothetical Cessna have been? And how far above the ground were these hypothetical "geese"? (Cracks open high school trig book.) Sorry, try again.
A frame of reference illusion may indeed magnify the speed of the objects in formation, but the altitude of these objects is far too low for the relativistic explanation to hold water.
billbrock1958 3 years ago
I am always willing to be wrong, especially if someone else can explain it well. You said that the altitude of the objects is too low... How are you determining the altitude of the objects in formation? The size of geese (1 meter in length) and the size of a tomahawk (6 meters in length) vary wildly. And I was never good at math but it seems that visually determining altitude would in part depend on that as a reference.
Morris1962 3 years ago
Anything that can be programed or controlled can form a formation. Its not hard to understand that. Theres a reason why theres wings on the missle. To allow it to maneveur or change target.
wigahiga 3 years ago
hummm....never knew cruise missiles could flight in formation, let alone in a tight one like that.
Interesting indeed.
SgtCrocodile 3 years ago
I doubt they're cruise missiles.
rossyboy51288 3 years ago
only mexicans can see UFos lol ;)
asianiinvasion 3 years ago
some guys will be convinted they are UFOs, rofl
toocoolforu 3 years ago
Paisley,
So, you, like Batman, have a little red phone that you just pick up and dial the "Tomahawk Program Manager" IN THE PENTAGON!? And that's the story he gave you? While you were talking, did you happen to find out who really killed Kennedy, or what's in Area 51, what about Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster? Not only a NERD, but a kook as well.
You do realize that every person in the world with a computer can access this and see what a friggin moe-ron you are.
triton111 3 years ago
I counted 8, seven in a relative group and another higher up. Good morning Bagdad!
DD826 4 years ago
Tomahawks then I guess.. but the guy on com sound british
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
A B-52 dropped 7 AGM-86 simultaneously, or fired from a ship?
Anyway, the description says the plane was headed for Bhagdad, so how come these birds flew the other way? heh..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
you're full of shit. geese. Geese in the desert?
I'd say it's the relative idiot factor combined with several generations of family inbreeding brought on by an optic differential caused by uptaking large doses of Wild Turkey at family reunion/ singles social that makes you see Iraqi Geese.
You got the relative motion thing right. When relatives have naked motion on each other, you get kids with cocomamie ideas like yours.
triton111 4 years ago
Well, bottom line, I suppose, is if you are stupid enough to believe what some ignorant fool puts up on the internet, then more power to you. The technical truth about a cruise missile's flight characteristics and capabilities is that it lacks the precision to fly that close to another missile, let alone 6 or 7 other missiles. Pure and simple. And if you think Iraq is nothing but desert, you are a dumber fuck then I initially thought.
wpaisley 3 years ago
Paisley,
You're full of shit and inbred genes. My grandfather used to fart and say it was Canadian geese. I knew it was just a fart, but the idiot neighbor kid would always look up and ask where the geese were.
Don't think you know anything about cruise missiles just because you launched a few on a fucking computer game. Nerd.
p.s. my previous response to your previous response blew your previous response out of the air- LIKE A CRUISE MISSILE or 7. BAHHH!
Nerd.
triton111 3 years ago
Hate to get into a pissing contest with a junior high kid, but when I put this question to the Tomahawk program manager at the Pentagon, he said that video had been analyzed and that there was no way 7 Tomahawk's could fly "formation" in that small a space. Based on where it was taken and how it was taken (C-130 optical tracking system) took it, it was determined to be large birds, most likely geese, and the relative speed of the Hercules make it look like they were traveling fast.
wpaisley 3 years ago
I can't get a real person on the phone when I call my insurance company, but you get a guy at the Pentagon to log onto youtube and analize a friggin flight video? Must be a special govermnent "You tube analysis division." Moe-ron.
I think I hear your mom coming into the basement to bring you a sandwich and a patch-kit for your blow-up doll.
BAHHH!
triton111 3 years ago
You can't get a real person on the phone because you are a moron. I could talk to the Tomahawk program manager because my desk was 5 feet away from his, dork.
wpaisley 3 years ago
It took you a month to come up with that lie?!? You said you "called him", but now his desk is 5 feet away?! Fucking liar! A month and that's what you come up with. I hope everyone goes back and reads your bullshit, it's too funny. What a zero.
triton111 3 years ago
Who said I "called" him, douchbag? I said in the other post: "...but when I put this question to the Tomahawk program manager at the Pentagon..." You really need to cut back on your acne medicine.
wpaisley 3 years ago
Buddy u are full of shit. Explain then, Mr. Gov't agent. Why are "Pentagon Employees" fucking around on youtube? Why does the "Tomahawk program manager" have a desk in a row like a fucking telemarketer? You pal are the d'bag. You need to put down the video games and cheese puffs. Reality and fantasy are melding for you.
Whats more interesting is your obvious fascination with prepubescent kids? Care to address your weed, pimple cream, middleschool fixations?
Does probation know youre here?
triton111 3 years ago
lol
MightySaturn5 3 years ago 11
Could you give the Tomahawk program manager another call and ask him why the geese in question appear to have a trail of heat emitting from the back of them?
I wasn't aware there were such things as jet powered geese to be honest.
Xefan2 3 years ago 2
A trail of heat? Lay off the weed, man. It does weird things to your brain.
I'll say it again - tomahawk cruise missiles lack the capability to fly in that sort of flight formation. Can't and won't and ain't gonna happen. Simple as that. As cool and as freaky and as kick-ass as you think it might be that we can do that, we can't.
wpaisley 3 years ago
This ain't no cruise missile formation. Its a "V" of Iraqi geese. The relative motion from the C-130 optical device taking the video is what makes it look like it is a formation of cruise missiles traveling from left to right.
Sorry.
wpaisley 4 years ago
Iraqi geese?! Right!! And with jet turbines up their asses too! Take a closer look at the 1st/2nd second (before the camera starts to move) and tell me exactly what species of bird flies at that speed...
brunomiguelafonso 4 years ago
Trust me. Relative motion from the C-130 taking the video causes the perception of speed. The formation is *not* flying from left to right in that vid. Tomahawk cruise missiles lack the precision to fly that close together.
wpaisley 4 years ago
I think i get it, they are actually flying in the same direction of the videographer who is covering the ground at the speed shown, the geese are just flying that much slower so it looks like they are hauling ass the other direction.
criticalpass 4 years ago
Criticalpass,
Precisely. You are the only one on this whole thread with any brains.
wpaisley 3 years ago
thanks man, I'm with you, I don't get how cruise missles could possibly form up like that.
criticalpass 3 years ago
our species is vast. there are not as many bears and lions as there are humans. we are trying to eradicate the members of our species that hold the rest of us down. such as you crazy fucking middle easterners. there are plenty of non human mammals that kill each other.
Duckyistrippin 4 years ago 2
Jesus Christ someone is going to get fucked the hell up.
richyrich55 4 years ago
lmao! ik right
triked14 4 years ago
wow
Joel2016 4 years ago
Apparently they were heading for an airshow laid on by Saddam Hussain, where they did a superb aerobatic display before killing hundreds of his guards. Nice work.
SteelyEyedKipper 4 years ago
i fuckin' hate my species...
grozlz 4 years ago
Why do you hate your species..because they sometimes kill people as opposed to what? Species that do not kill such as a Bear..Nah they kill..a Tiger, maybe a Lion.. nah..they kill too..a spider..nah they kill.. the intelliget Dolphin..nope they kill other Dolphins and fish every day, maybe a sweet little birdie..nope he kills worms and insects on a daily bases and bigger ones kill sweet little fuzzy bunnies and squirrels.
quaheedus 4 years ago
not because they kill
because they use the talents to create such useless stuff, that costs so much
why can't we spend that money on exploring the fuckin' universe instead, get off this planet perhaps?
no no, we have to spend trillions making smart bombs to blow up Aspirine Factories, and Hospitals.
grozlz 4 years ago
I couldn't agree with you more. People that think as you do are as rare as rocking-horse shit.
Predata22 4 years ago
The guy in the video mentions there's six of them when in fact there were 7.
Maybe they were on the way to a family reunion.
The allies have bombed more than one wedding, after all.
wowthungsten 4 years ago
well if you go around firing machine guns into the air in the middle of the desert while there's a goddamn war going on around you what the hell do you expect?
Joel2016 4 years ago
Mind you, I don't look down upon the technical genius that goes into making these puppies. It takes real engineering skill to make these.
Now, think about what we could do if we put all that brain power into actually trying to solve some real issues we're faced with instead of wasting it on fancy wars-of-opportunity.
wowthungsten 4 years ago 2
well we do. Firstly the overwhelming majority of engineers and scientists do not work in anything to do with defense. Secondly those who have done so have already made MASSIVE contributions to modern society - computers, internet, GPS, helicopters, spaceflight advances in fluid dynamics/aerodynamics, materials science, just to name a little. All driven by military funding
Joel2016 4 years ago
wow. that's impressive. just shows how accurate those missiles really are. talk about precision flying!
kdehead 4 years ago
Impressive. Some dude was sat dunking a biscuit in his brew not knowing that lot was coming right at him.
bimblebreath 4 years ago
that was the coolist thing ive seen in a while.
wow!
chickennibblets 4 years ago
Very impressive!!
Precision computer guided flight at its best!!!
pbahniuk 4 years ago
What is really cool about this is that these missiles were launched from multiple platforms (ships, subs, etc.) ... the execution was so precise that they appear to be flying their flight paths "in formation"
turdfergusonboner 5 years ago 2
holy shit a formation of missiles, looks pretty cool
keldererik 5 years ago