@IkkyKyuhyunBraveSoul because it shows that 99.9% of music producers have to do a lot of other things before they can really call themselves a producer. you can't just make a couple of beats in FLStudio and call yourself a producer.
I DONT WANT TO SPAM BUT I THINK myy beats are ight and idk how to get feedback by people who know what theyre talking about so comment and subscribe and stuff much love peace..
Wow, that was the most encouraging advice I have heard in a long time. I am a musician and play guitar, bass and keys. I was seriously hurt in an industrial accident that damaged my dominant right arm and hand. My friend encouraged me to take up music again in his little studio. So, I did this little tune and played all the parts and vocals in little over an hour. He was so amazed at how good it sounded for so little time, since his projects take days, as he admits.
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i make music and no one takes me seriously, i have only like 50 views on my videos. but i still want to continue cause its about the music. i just dont want to be the only person that hears it
:D Dammm i just came to realize...that my only passions is music
i have try going into a Different career but the one thing i love is music i want to be a Music Man. i have bn inspire by a genre that prob not many ppl likee...... but this is it
@7LCRIS7 dude... i just felt this same epiphany days ago too... it's kinda scary because it is a dangerous leap of faith... but been wandering in community college (changed majors 4 times) and i just want a career where I have creative freedom and i'm my own boss... and music seems to be the only avenue open for me..
@GaChristianHY I understand, I realized the same thing.. Just ask yourself, can I live the rest of my life without making music? If the answer is no, then go for it!
This is the job almost everyone wants and very few people have the opportunity to get. The field is really competitive and since more people can produce their music at home these days, you've got to have something really special to offer in order to attract business. This is why I'm still on the fence about going for it. But, I think I'll still give it my best shot.
You know you guys can get all the hardware to get started in one easy to use package with the windows 7 equipped StudioBLADE keyboard workstation. It has the PC, sound card, control surface, keyboard and monitor built right in along with all the software needed to run a full studio! Check the link below for videos.
i am a 13 year old music producer. mainly producing trance/techno/hardstye. does anybody know where i can show my songs to producers so they can find out about me?
Being a music producer without already knowing people inside the industry, Is the hardest thing to do. There are probably 1million producers on youtube alone
Im a music producer with influences from chase and status to Foals. You were a great help with creating my tracks so far and would love your opinion on them :P
Im a music producing with influences from chase and status to Foals. You were a great help with creating my tracks so far and would love your opinion on them :P
i dont want to waste ur guy's time like all the other rappers on youtube but our music comes from the heart and me n my friend have had gud times doing our music and i think the video on my channel captures em pretty good please listen to us give us a chance and you wont regret it i promise
what program do u use for music productin on your computer. and please man, can u look at the songs ive made, i really want to be a music producer. i made an album but only like a free download type. please answer back!
Fancy listening to some mix's? Well check out my channel and listen to them as many times as you want :) Im 16 years old i come from United Kingdom. Please have fun raving to my mixs ;) Thanks
@sammielord logic, cubase are the best solutions, the most of producers use them, relly, ableton as well, its for djs with a great recording possibility, but not FL Studio (its too basic) or Reason (more a sound program) if you want to be a producer!!!!!!
Look at Thomann.de at computer-> sofware-> sequenzersoftware
@Trickist17 I'd disagree with you there about FL Studio! I use Ableton Live myself, but I've heard some mindblowing stuff come out of FL Studio. Search for the techno producer Egbert (he's on Sven Vath's Cocoon label, amongst others) and I'm pretty sure your view will change about FL Studio being basic!
@DangerRifai FL has the capability of producing good tracks...but i mean why use it when theres better programs out there? Ableton is hands down a better DAW. Anyone who would argue that is crazy. Pretty much every electronic artist utilizes Ableton for some part of their production...can't say that about FL
@afiresavesday Why use it? Simple. If it's what you feel you can produce better tunes on, then do so. Ableton Live is only 'better' in your eyes. If anybody took the time to list Live's production capabilities, I'm willing to bet FL Studio could do exactly the same things, albeit in a different manner. The tool is what you make it. And no, not 'pretty much every electronic artist' does that - I know loads that don't touch it - mostly Logic users.
@DangerRifai I never put down FL studio. I'm just not personally sold on it. Everyone has their own preferences. As far as people in electronic music using it. My point was that "professional" wise aka those signed to record labels whether indie or major use Ableton a lot more than FL Studio, that is an inarguable fact. And yes, most logic users don't use Ableton at all. But I've gotten the feeling that a lot of producers mastering and mixing in Pro Tools do use Ableton as well.
I had a frend shes very gud singer,she was a celebrity here in our country,but hr mnger ddnt take care of her,her mngr took her for granted ddnt bliv hr talent bcoz she blong to a group singer..but nothing good happen to her bcoz her mngr likes favoritism they didnt see her ability thats she has this wonderful talent..as a frend i want her to show in the whole world what she got.. bcoz shes really gud..i wish Some1 well going to produces her and help to achieve her dream.
me and my friends are making a band, we need a producer, and we kinda need a little nudge, this might sound a little selfish, but im the lead singer, and im like the only one whos ready, sept the drummer, but were pretty good, we dont really need the other guys so if someone could find us some guitarests....like a producer or something thatd be awesome:) thanks for taking the time and reading this, just send me a message in inbox if u know anyone:)... btw were a rock band! Thanks!
Attention all aspiring hip-hop rappers and producers, Wanna be BIG? Nows your chance, just message me your song and i will get it up to my channel, its will get thousands of views and you will be known!
I did see the Arts Institute of Nevada but I didn't know they had a music producing program. I know a few people that are going there for fashion design and they don't seem to think very highly of that place.
If you go to schoool for training as an audio engineer, be prepared to be in for a wake up call after you graduate because it is really hard to get in this industry and even if you get to start work you wont get paid much, prolly get started round 8 dollars an hour.
Oh man....I would love to be a record producer. Even and audio engineer but $8 an hour is way too low to live off of. I guess I would have to do it as a second job. I would do it for the love of music.
dont get me wrong, if you love it, do it, because im willing to be paid 8 dollars to start off too, because i know eventually they will give you a raise. Its nothing like being in a big studio mixing songs.
i don't know where MuddywatersTV get his/her calculations from, but all need to do is get a manager and they'll set you up with jobs and you could get at least$10,000 per track starting off. or you can find work for yourself if you have good marketing and promotion skills, and you can become your own manager.
House music is a style of electronic dance music initially popularized in mid-1980s discothèques catering to the African-American,[1] Latino,[1] and gay[1][2][3] communities, first in Chicago, then in New York, Detroit, and eventually Europe before becoming infused in mainstream pop & dance music worldwide.
@Moethetricker yeah if you dont have any musical background, good luck to you my friend. It will be real tough for you
theXevoXman 1 week ago
Do you need to know how to play an instrument?
Moethetricker 1 week ago
Very good video ! I liked it ! Good Luck To You !)))
BorisFighter 1 month ago
contac me, i need songs for a movie, can u help me..
keenwittedinc 1 month ago
So How Come His Story Has To Do With How to Become a Music Producer ?
IkkyKyuhyunBraveSoul 1 month ago 4
@IkkyKyuhyunBraveSoul because it shows that 99.9% of music producers have to do a lot of other things before they can really call themselves a producer. you can't just make a couple of beats in FLStudio and call yourself a producer.
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DreamCityBeats 2 months ago
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RION63 4 months ago
I DONT WANT TO SPAM BUT I THINK myy beats are ight and idk how to get feedback by people who know what theyre talking about so comment and subscribe and stuff much love peace..
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Beats4YouProductions 6 months ago
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GTRShady97 6 months ago
Wow, that was the most encouraging advice I have heard in a long time. I am a musician and play guitar, bass and keys. I was seriously hurt in an industrial accident that damaged my dominant right arm and hand. My friend encouraged me to take up music again in his little studio. So, I did this little tune and played all the parts and vocals in little over an hour. He was so amazed at how good it sounded for so little time, since his projects take days, as he admits.
Again, thank you so much.
leegenix 6 months ago
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wow! I always dreamt of this :)
2soulsdenmark 7 months ago
wow! I always dreamt of this :)
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Gpro15 7 months ago
oh man, if 16 is LATE... I'm 23, and i'd really love to do this in life... hope I can
dust540 8 months ago
@dust540
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EA2153 7 months ago
@dust540 IM ABOUT TO BE 23 and I haven't even begun you got nothing to worry about!!!
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nancyi43 8 months ago
I've always wanted to become a music
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simonwessel 6 months ago
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GTRShady97 9 months ago
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KevinKenyonMusic 9 months ago
i make music and no one takes me seriously, i have only like 50 views on my videos. but i still want to continue cause its about the music. i just dont want to be the only person that hears it
Neverendingplush 9 months ago
@Neverendingplush How do people treat you offline with your music?
PopCulture20 3 months ago
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easthopemusic 10 months ago
:D Dammm i just came to realize...that my only passions is music
i have try going into a Different career but the one thing i love is music i want to be a Music Man. i have bn inspire by a genre that prob not many ppl likee...... but this is it
7LCRIS7 11 months ago
@7LCRIS7 dude... i just felt this same epiphany days ago too... it's kinda scary because it is a dangerous leap of faith... but been wandering in community college (changed majors 4 times) and i just want a career where I have creative freedom and i'm my own boss... and music seems to be the only avenue open for me..
GaChristianHY 10 months ago
@GaChristianHY best choice to go for, not only for you but also for me ha, but yea,I wish you luck buddy
7LCRIS7 10 months ago
@GaChristianHY I understand, I realized the same thing.. Just ask yourself, can I live the rest of my life without making music? If the answer is no, then go for it!
bboytrigger123 9 months ago
This is the job almost everyone wants and very few people have the opportunity to get. The field is really competitive and since more people can produce their music at home these days, you've got to have something really special to offer in order to attract business. This is why I'm still on the fence about going for it. But, I think I'll still give it my best shot.
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solosumerianstar 1 year ago
is their many well paid jobs going into sound and media production and engineering?
CONVICT700 1 year ago
Hey, We are a growing Production Team, Would you let us know what you think of our beats. Thanks!
OfficialGoodMusicEnt 1 year ago
I'd rather ask Hans Zimmer...
NorbertGardonyi 1 year ago
i got the same keyboard as him!
fadcAuTra 1 year ago
@fadcAuTra who doesn't...
Xend54 10 months ago
these days its so easy to make music, everyone should be thankful MIDI WAS INVENTED! THUMBS UP if you agree :)
WestCoastBombz 1 year ago
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DoItOnly4love 1 year ago
You know you guys can get all the hardware to get started in one easy to use package with the windows 7 equipped StudioBLADE keyboard workstation. It has the PC, sound card, control surface, keyboard and monitor built right in along with all the software needed to run a full studio! Check the link below for videos.
musiccomputing 1 year ago
i am a 13 year old music producer. mainly producing trance/techno/hardstye. does anybody know where i can show my songs to producers so they can find out about me?
computerhelp1432 1 year ago
I am a musician and want to sing blues in America, I speak today in Brazil. I want a good producer.
AlexandreKarat 1 year ago
Being a music producer without already knowing people inside the industry, Is the hardest thing to do. There are probably 1million producers on youtube alone
RizzoAstronama 1 year ago
Im a music producer with influences from chase and status to Foals. You were a great help with creating my tracks so far and would love your opinion on them :P
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TheMindMosaic 1 year ago
Im a music producing with influences from chase and status to Foals. You were a great help with creating my tracks so far and would love your opinion on them :P
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TheMindMosaic 1 year ago
i dont want to waste ur guy's time like all the other rappers on youtube but our music comes from the heart and me n my friend have had gud times doing our music and i think the video on my channel captures em pretty good please listen to us give us a chance and you wont regret it i promise
n3w13r33d 1 year ago
i would like to talk to you about some music that i got and would like for you to listen to
gotdangkobemvp24 1 year ago
@gotdangkobemvp24 my lable is carolina south ent. you can contact me at 864-325-0236 Bobbie
gotdangkobemvp24 1 year ago
This is pretty good and interesting! But, I didn't learn anything other than this guy's life story.
TheBassHeavy 1 year ago
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djsharijar 1 year ago
i ain't gonna lie but when i first watched this vid, in the beginning i thought for about 5 sec. it was one of them parody vid's.
aproductoutdapark 1 year ago
16 years old isn't 'late' to get into music man, don't worry about it, Joe satriani started when he was 16 :)
Seagerash 1 year ago
what program do u use for music productin on your computer. and please man, can u look at the songs ive made, i really want to be a music producer. i made an album but only like a free download type. please answer back!
computerhelp1432 1 year ago
@computerhelp1432 it looks like he uses ableton live
jinnkins 1 year ago
nice 1 man ; ) L J
LJRCLB 1 year ago
Im a young music producer trin 2 hit big... plz watch my video n put an comment .. ill really appreciate it..
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MrProfp 1 year ago
Watch this Vido
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DJJACKSON1994 1 year ago
ehow is way better than expert village!
toujames 1 year ago
Agreed. Expert village is boring, inaccurate and unclear.
DbRarefactionCurve 1 year ago
and booya!
MichaelKhanTV 1 year ago
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KChozenMusic 1 year ago
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redboi101r 1 year ago
I want to be a Music Producer..
I already play guitar and drum/keyboard so..
I need a program to record and edit music! Plz help me!
sammielord 1 year ago
@sammielord Fl studio, cubase, reason. google those!
RYETJEAN 1 year ago
@sammielord logic, cubase are the best solutions, the most of producers use them, relly, ableton as well, its for djs with a great recording possibility, but not FL Studio (its too basic) or Reason (more a sound program) if you want to be a producer!!!!!!
Look at Thomann.de at computer-> sofware-> sequenzersoftware
some links
thoman.de/de/apple_logic_studio_9.htm
thomann.de/de/steinberg_cubase_5_d.htm
thomann.de/de/ableton_live_8_deutsch.htm
Trickist17 1 year ago
@Trickist17 I'd disagree with you there about FL Studio! I use Ableton Live myself, but I've heard some mindblowing stuff come out of FL Studio. Search for the techno producer Egbert (he's on Sven Vath's Cocoon label, amongst others) and I'm pretty sure your view will change about FL Studio being basic!
DangerRifai 1 year ago
@DangerRifai fl is a musicprogramm, of course you can make music with it and of course the are people, who can make geat music with it.
ive already tested fl (and many other programms) , and i know how it works, so i think fl is to make music, not to make a good sounding records.
but you should take the best programm for you, and i found, logic and ableton are the best ones.
Trickist17 1 year ago
@Trickist17 Ah I see. I agree with you there. The 'good sounding records' part comes more from the engineering and mastering, I guess.
DangerRifai 1 year ago
@DangerRifai FL has the capability of producing good tracks...but i mean why use it when theres better programs out there? Ableton is hands down a better DAW. Anyone who would argue that is crazy. Pretty much every electronic artist utilizes Ableton for some part of their production...can't say that about FL
afiresavesday 1 year ago
@afiresavesday Why use it? Simple. If it's what you feel you can produce better tunes on, then do so. Ableton Live is only 'better' in your eyes. If anybody took the time to list Live's production capabilities, I'm willing to bet FL Studio could do exactly the same things, albeit in a different manner. The tool is what you make it. And no, not 'pretty much every electronic artist' does that - I know loads that don't touch it - mostly Logic users.
It's all about personal preference.
DangerRifai 1 year ago
@DangerRifai I never put down FL studio. I'm just not personally sold on it. Everyone has their own preferences. As far as people in electronic music using it. My point was that "professional" wise aka those signed to record labels whether indie or major use Ableton a lot more than FL Studio, that is an inarguable fact. And yes, most logic users don't use Ableton at all. But I've gotten the feeling that a lot of producers mastering and mixing in Pro Tools do use Ableton as well.
afiresavesday 1 year ago
@sammielord producers also often use protools, this guy does, its on the left monitor, at the right it ilooks like ableton live, but im not sure :-)
Trickist17 1 year ago
@sammielord best opinion go to a pro studio
LylesMusic 1 year ago
what school did you go to
yacquice 1 year ago
Thanx a lot man!!!! Ur videos are inspiring! All the best!
5va 1 year ago
the first video i've seen like this that is actually helpful. Thanks!
HU0Sproductions 1 year ago
I'm a music producer, im 17 and from the UK. Please check out my videos of me making beats, Thanks.
BreezeMusicProducer 1 year ago
Toronto!
drdmic 1 year ago
It kinda sounds like hes gonna say something in the end. But no lol
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MrBigPoppa43 1 year ago
16 years old is way NOT too late to start music career. That's best time. Not to start career, to start playing. For career is too early in 16.
Vanjal 1 year ago
I had a frend shes very gud singer,she was a celebrity here in our country,but hr mnger ddnt take care of her,her mngr took her for granted ddnt bliv hr talent bcoz she blong to a group singer..but nothing good happen to her bcoz her mngr likes favoritism they didnt see her ability thats she has this wonderful talent..as a frend i want her to show in the whole world what she got.. bcoz shes really gud..i wish Some1 well going to produces her and help to achieve her dream.
DEANSHEN22 1 year ago
Check out our band, and our channel!
deadcitysundaymusic 1 year ago
me and my friends are making a band, we need a producer, and we kinda need a little nudge, this might sound a little selfish, but im the lead singer, and im like the only one whos ready, sept the drummer, but were pretty good, we dont really need the other guys so if someone could find us some guitarests....like a producer or something thatd be awesome:) thanks for taking the time and reading this, just send me a message in inbox if u know anyone:)... btw were a rock band! Thanks!
XNathanTX 2 years ago
@XNathanTX, I produce, check out my work. I can mix and master your songs to get them pro sounding for $10 a song if you like.
JahLoveOnline 1 year ago
thnx this is inspiring because you talk in a way as if to say "hey man i've been there" so thnx
stylemastah 2 years ago
im a rap star not a rock star
djcountry1985 2 years ago
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red1day 2 years ago
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Attention all aspiring hip-hop rappers and producers, Wanna be BIG? Nows your chance, just message me your song and i will get it up to my channel, its will get thousands of views and you will be known!
HottestMusicNow1 2 years ago
2:43 how did he move so fast!!!????
MaghoxFr 2 years ago
@MaghoxFr video edit
MarqCTV 2 years ago
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well he boring
roxiechikk 2 years ago
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that dude is DAMN ugly
roxiechikk 2 years ago
wtf no he isnt lol.
XsoftvoicesX 2 years ago
he's not a model he's a music producer. It's about what he sounds like.
dsbounce 2 years ago 18
I would love to go to a record producing school but there aren't any in Las Vegas NV.
5yearplan1 2 years ago
yes there is musical arts institution
rjrock2 2 years ago
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I did see the Arts Institute of Nevada but I didn't know they had a music producing program. I know a few people that are going there for fashion design and they don't seem to think very highly of that place.
5yearplan1 2 years ago
wow this is sooooo much better than expert village. thanks!
munk18 2 years ago 8
If you go to schoool for training as an audio engineer, be prepared to be in for a wake up call after you graduate because it is really hard to get in this industry and even if you get to start work you wont get paid much, prolly get started round 8 dollars an hour.
MuddywatersTV 2 years ago
Oh man....I would love to be a record producer. Even and audio engineer but $8 an hour is way too low to live off of. I guess I would have to do it as a second job. I would do it for the love of music.
5yearplan1 2 years ago
dont get me wrong, if you love it, do it, because im willing to be paid 8 dollars to start off too, because i know eventually they will give you a raise. Its nothing like being in a big studio mixing songs.
MuddywatersTV 2 years ago
i don't know where MuddywatersTV get his/her calculations from, but all need to do is get a manager and they'll set you up with jobs and you could get at least$10,000 per track starting off. or you can find work for yourself if you have good marketing and promotion skills, and you can become your own manager.
scooby0225 2 years ago
Do it freelance. I make over $25 with some clients.
digitalresidual 2 years ago
The trick is not to be an employee but start your own music producing business, also it does help to have a po box or rent an office in hollywood
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that is very awesome i love this
Alvieaswer 3 years ago
whats a music house?
rockette27 3 years ago
House music is a style of electronic dance music initially popularized in mid-1980s discothèques catering to the African-American,[1] Latino,[1] and gay[1][2][3] communities, first in Chicago, then in New York, Detroit, and eventually Europe before becoming infused in mainstream pop & dance music worldwide.
Roussosko 3 years ago
Wow thanks you really have your knowledge i'm gonna call you the Wiki-Man
crushablake 3 years ago
basically a music production company. lets say that someone shoots a movie or commercial and needs the music for it....yeah
jux55 3 years ago 2
what schools in TO would you recommend i have my mind on a few
xaviermike 3 years ago
wow thank you. i want to get in the music business and i kno how hard it is.. but thank you. that was really helpful... any ideas for good colleges?
punkprincess3594 3 years ago
BEILEVE IN URSELF N GET IT
Moses30082 3 years ago 22
TIMELY.
daveearly161 3 years ago