A question from non-drummer: why do drummers use triggers on acoustic drums, instead of simply using electronic drums? Is it because they would look stupid on the stage (a pair of giant kicks, lots of toms surely look more serious than a set of drum pads), or some other reason? In the studio looks wouldn't be an issue.
Its probably different for many people, but i dont want to play a whole electric kit live, Firstly because people who dont know much will think its a form of cheating, and i want to feel like im using a real kit.
There is nothing like hitting real drums that make real sounds. Even if you do have to back up the kick with a trigger sometimes.
@StickyX10 Some drummers (especially in the deathcore scene) use triggers to sound fast with no effort. George uses triggers more for the sound rather than speed. He can play that fast with or without triggers, but when the kick drum needs to be heard, regular microphones won't pick up the kicks, so he uses triggers to get the sound heard.
@StickyX10 I wouldn't say more flexible. But for inaudible kickdrums it's pretty helpful during gigs. An acoustic kit with mesh heads and triggers, that's flexible haha.
@StickyX10 Not necessarily. You can use whatever sensitivity and/or threshold you want. Triggers can still have (a certain form of) dynamics. It's an electric piezo element that picks up the vibrations on the drumhead, and sends it to a drum module that in it's turn translates it to a sample that the drummer chose.
I just want everyone to stop saying that George Kollieas is better than Dave Lombardo. They are both equally bad ass in there own different ways. As for the stupid comment about Dave not playing 270bpm, thats because he doesn't use triggers. The mics will only pick up so much before it sounds too jumbled. Thats what George means when he says you can't play without triggers,
@cwrmetallica97 In my opinion the "Here Comes the Kraken drummer probably 2 foot blasts and uses heel toe. Your argument is invalid. I'm not going to say your opinion is wrong. Some awesome guys that are heel toe players are John Longstreth and Francesco Paoli.
@cwrmetallica97 Here comes the kraken drummer sucks, i've seen live and in the fast parts they put off the trigger, because he can't get fast like the album version, he sucks really hard, he's not a real drummer, George it is.
@cwrmetallica97 Seriously, you have got to be shitting me. Comparing a drummer from a deathcore band to George? What the fuck. Really!? Believe me, I like deathcore, perhaps even more than death metal. But shit, you can't fucking beat George when it comes down to pure fucking brutal drumming. FUCK.
@dejonge Lyle from the faceless is a pretty fucking amazing drummer. idk if you'd consider them deathcore, but some people do. I just think they're badass either way haha
@cwrmetallica97 no he won't ... stop making stupid comparisons like that kid, you make yourself look like a lousy drummer and more so lousy stupid deathcore fan... George for example can make a handstand and drink a coffee while solving a rubik's cube and fuck your mama then smoke a cigar, second time your mama and throw lars ulrich to a fuckin' grizzly bear WHILE PLAYING KAFIR with his eyes closed.... there is more music in George or Derrek's (for that matter)playing than in any deathcore song
@cwrmetallica97 Shitty, awful, trendy band, and I would sincerely like to see that drummer play as fast as George does, for as long as he does. Retard.
@Varmenthunter2 triggers just mic the drum kit....they dont make you cheat at all..it just makes them sound like clicks and amplify them to make it louder or else you wont be able to hear it live..so yeah check yor stuff
Take a look at what drummers such as Buddy Rich did with his late 30's hardware for instance (yes, late 30's Slingerland, Rogers and Ludwig!). His bass drum pedal might've been soo rough to operate that even someone as technically proficient as Kollias wouldn't have been able to play one single convincing blast beat with it (fast, clean and lengthy). This is so deeply wrapped in artificialities that his real merit as a technician of his instrument ultimately becomes questionable to me.
@cadaverr Bet you didnt know he used a pedal called the Rogers swivel pedal. emulates the motion that Goerge above is using, the swivel of the foot. Same technique. It isnt that knew, and its been used for ages for high speeds, albiet in obscurity.
I find this trigger trend a paradox: Its needed but its also somehow disqualifies you as a drummer since you're using a tool to directly supply something you otherwise would've never been able to do, which is to playing fast double bass drumming with clarity, where every note is perfectly audible. These metal guys use so many triggers its a bit embarrassing. It kinda of crosses the line of the "better gear generates playing benefits" tantrum into the downright cheating zone.
@Punchinrocksintheeye This clinic took place in the Netherlands. And he didn't have his own kit. His own kit was being set up at the venue he had to play at only 1 or 2 hours after this clinic. ..at least if I remember it correctly.
@Punchinrocksintheeye back then he did not use pearl, he was endorsed by gabriel drums at the time, he was later endorsed by pearl in LATE 2007, so his GABRIEL kit was being set up at a show. Just gotta point that out :]
Technology should be embraced! But I think Mr George Kollias' point here is that if you play without actually playing the drums, the minute you touch an acoustic kit, you will be exposed, tarred, feathered and thrown to the sharks. Btw, Dave Lombardo's a legend! Would love to see how fast he goes with a trigger, but he'd probably say no. I think that is also the point Mr Kollias is making with regard to not just shaking your leg to keep the pedal hitting the trigger. Pointless.
@dejonge if he used triggers he could probably do 300bpm! seriously, on the unholy alliance 2 dvd he played angel of death at like 240bpm, and speeds up just before the middle part, and that's loud and powerful, and it actually sounds like bass drums
I will say that I have more respect for Kollias after seeing him go fast in the end of the video without any triggers or anything, but you don't need triggers to hear the base drums, listen to Derek Roddy's stuff, like Behold Judas or narcotic genocide.
@Casper4690 He's talking about crazy death metal live gigs and whatnot. Trust me, if you don't have triggers at a metal show with a huge crowd, no one can hear any of the double bass action
@Casper4690 Whats fuckin hilarious is this beyond ignorant comment... How the fuck do you hear 250-300 bpm without triggers... and triggers make it more difficult to be sloppy.
Dave Lombardo...? Your kidding, what he would say to this? We'll before you even show him this vid. He's going to want to see some of Georges material... And when he views it DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO SAY THATS GOING TO BE "fucken hilarious!" I would imagine,"holy fuck, this guy is insane So GTFO here ignorant bitch
@Casper4690 First of all Lombardo doesn`t play what Kollias plays. And second, I bet he knows more about death metal drumming than you my friend, that`s for sure.
Yeah, please continue comparing Adler with Kollias. Two completely different styles. Stop the bitching or I'll start blocking people again, or even close the comments.. again.
I respect lars ulrich quite a bit as he was one of the founders for thrash drumming. i dont like to hear people bitching about his sloppy drumming (it is true though) but please id have thought that most drummers would respect him eaven if others cant.
@BoomHaaften You shouldn't even be near using ankles at that speed. Ankles don't come into play until 180 at the earliest, usually not until a good 200-210.
O.K George would take Adler in DB no question, but it doesn't mean by any means that he is better than him. When it comes to hand work Adler would smoke him! End of....
@ryder187mac Really..........BAAHAHAHAHAHHA......I word kido: ruin, when george can top that fill then we'll talk, until then Adler's handwork is still top of the shit.
"Kiddo"? How about you check out The Essential Salts or Those Whom the Gods Detest by Nile... when Chris can play that then we'll talk, but until then George tops Adler in just about everything.
@ryder187mac I did, and the answer:....... sorry George no cookie for you hahaha. Look man I'm not saying George is bad, hes fucking incredible!!! But this guys stuff has been done on numerous occasions! the reason theres soo many fanboys is simply because of his unmatched DB speed......Simple fucking as.....
@kevo598 Basically every drummer's stuff has been done on multiple occasions. What I'm saying is that you're giving Adler the compliment and place he doesn't deserve, if it's technique you want to talk about then George is on Adler with just about everything. And it's not fanboyism, I'm objective, and he is one of the tops.
@ryder187mac O.k, I’m not giving Alder some pre-eminence complex, it’s just that George has been misconceived by ‘objective’ people who obliviously eulogize over his technique. It’s a simple construct to understand: more speed, less precise movements and anyone can throw crashes over a snare blast that’s running at 600+ bpm, yes that sounds alot but considering I’ve been playing drums for the past 8 years you tend to get a nag understanding for such basic beats that have been speed up.
@kevo598 It's simply because his technique IS something to praise, along with his sharing attitude. I'm sure you know that death metal is all about accuracy and precision. If anything, it's harder to keep perfect tempo with the rest of the band at a tempo which is like 240. And, if it's even a tiny bit off, it'll sound like a proper mess.
And, basic beats.... there's many rhythmic concepts in Nile. Also; sped up? Haha.
What's your point with Adler? You're contradicting yourself.
@tarponsalltheway actually lars didnt really do much for the metal drumming world besides attract attention to it. Lars isnt a great drummer just a famous one. With or without Lars i think death metal drumming still woulda been the same technique wise.
What is the point of toe risers, i play axis full tension, beater is about 6 inches away i hear most the metal players use them but i dont know why =D any info would be great! thanks!
dave lombardo should not even be mentioned next to this guy lol!! i always get a good laugh watching his drum clinic on youtube lol. you need triggers because the bass drums at that speed are a pure rumble, any real drummer in metal nowadays knows this, dave lombardo and lars suck ass
drumming isnt only play fast double bass. Maybe this guy plays faster than Lars and is better than lars, BUT Dave Lombardo is a better drummer than this guy...sry but that´s my opinion.
@ACDCSlayerMetallica Sure, but George would be able to play any song by Slayer without any problem, with one arm tied on his back. While Dave wouldn't be able to play any of the higher tempo Nile songs. I'm not saying Dave is a bad drummer, but when you'd compare them by speed/technique and pretty much any other aspect of drumming.... George would kick pretty much anybody's ass?
@dejonge have you seen dave by himself at clinics and shit when he goes full potential at double bass, its practically a vibration with iron cobras and no triggers and you can definately hear him, they call him the godfather of double bass for a reason, yes this guy is great but dave is fucking amazing
No. It makes it A LOT easier to hear each seperate hit. I don't know if you notice but when he plays fast at the beginning each hit seems to almost blend in to one. With triggers it eliminates that so you can play fast and the rest of the band still follow along.
SOME drummers do that yes, but usually if they can hit it with enough power then they aren't playing clean double pedal and you'll just hear every mistake, which there will be many. What i mean is that when they play really fast tempos the sound almost blends together instead of distinguished hits. WIth triggers each hit is a lot more clear and distinct keeping them seperate. So when a good drummer uses them its not for himself but more to help the rest of the band stay together in the song.
@WOLVES4842 A trigger just takes the bass drum hits and plays a prerecorded sound, basically just like an electric drum set... so it sounds cleaner and better.
I'm gonna learn the swivel technique but I just started on double pedals. I just wondered should I learn normal heel up first of go straight for swivel?
learn heel up first definatly, im 14 and ive been playn drums for 12yrs and ave been playn double bass since i was 6 and playn heel up and its workd for me but im now just startnto work on swivel, thats an advanced teqneqe and i wouldnt recommend tryn it until u hav a good 3-6 yrs of double bass practice under ur belt lol good luck dudue
swivell only comes into play when ur playing faster tempos, learn heal up to start with, once you are use to it and can play faster tempos then start using the swivell. you will just screw up ur tecnique trying to swivell at slower tempos. a lot of times people only swivell with the left foot and keep the right more steady.
@krakhaid yeah but the thing with triggers is that every drummer who uses them don't need them, only people who play extremely fast need them so the sound of the bass drum can be heard, most drummers who use triggers nowadays are lazy or just don't have the stamina and they know that even if they tap the bass pedal while playing it'll still sound tight, and about lars yeah he isn't really good, he's just a part of the whole metallica hype which is why he gets so much recognition
That's what I thought too. Personally, I think lars is a rather unimpressive drummer, especially for thrash. It just sounds like he's playing basic rock beats but a bit faster. The only songs where he even uses any real speed to the double bass is on One and Dyer's Eve.
@Damhiz its true i agree with u that he is wayyyyyyy better than lars... but to tell u the truth lars and metallica moved the genre of metal-death, black, thrash, whatever- in a direction that revolutionized music. i don't think george kollias would even be in a band without the influence of lars.
I wanted to buy some triggers but dont have the money to but the modules to plug them into, and I was wondering if I buy a tiny bass amp could I use with the triggers
Mounier generally goes completely untriggered live, but admittedly he's more impressive in the fast hands and stupidly complicated fills department than he is rapid double kick.
I think Once Was Not was completely untriggered and he gets some serious speed on that.
I've seen flo live and I have his dvd(wich has lots of live footage on it) and have Once was not. He defenitely uses triggers but only on his bassdrums just like George and Derek and most death metal drummers.
he used triggers earlier..when he worked with several bands like nile,hate eternal etc.but nw he dont use triggers but still play at the same speed... \m/
you HAVE GOT to be kidding me. first of all...slayer is NOT death metal. and second...dave lombardo is a fucking turtle compared to most extreme metal drummers. no diss...i love slayer, but dude...you're comparing apples to oranges.
imagine this guy playing high on coke or meth....that would be kinda fast!
McPuffins509 1 month ago
A question from non-drummer: why do drummers use triggers on acoustic drums, instead of simply using electronic drums? Is it because they would look stupid on the stage (a pair of giant kicks, lots of toms surely look more serious than a set of drum pads), or some other reason? In the studio looks wouldn't be an issue.
Parkinson9999 2 months ago
@Parkinson9999
Its probably different for many people, but i dont want to play a whole electric kit live, Firstly because people who dont know much will think its a form of cheating, and i want to feel like im using a real kit.
There is nothing like hitting real drums that make real sounds. Even if you do have to back up the kick with a trigger sometimes.
LostTheGaaaaaaame 2 months ago
@Parkinson9999 I think the part about it looking better probably has a certain element of truth to it.
MrMike0113 5 days ago
the best metal drummer.
manosrock123 3 months ago
@StickyX10 Some drummers (especially in the deathcore scene) use triggers to sound fast with no effort. George uses triggers more for the sound rather than speed. He can play that fast with or without triggers, but when the kick drum needs to be heard, regular microphones won't pick up the kicks, so he uses triggers to get the sound heard.
SideWays8Productions 5 months ago
THIS GUY HAS NOTHING ON LARS ULRICH OMFG
RustyWaffle 5 months ago
@RustyWaffle NIce try at baiting ...any real drummer knows you're trying to wind us up you funny bastard ;)
lipsknot 5 months ago
@lipsknot Yeah you're right, but really, this guy vs. the Rev = Ommfgg
RustyWaffle 5 months ago
George is the coolest guy in music business! He was in my hometown a year ago but I didn't know and so I missed him :(
vinigretzky97 5 months ago
LOL @ 5:22
HangarOFmetaL 6 months ago
iron cobras?
ZCsternchen 6 months ago
@flpkwdrm at least he covers every detail
TheRevProdigy777 6 months ago
how the fuck am i ever going to play like this lmao
neilpeartrocks2112 6 months ago
Triggers equals gay!
dererstemann 7 months ago
@StickyX10 I wouldn't say more flexible. But for inaudible kickdrums it's pretty helpful during gigs. An acoustic kit with mesh heads and triggers, that's flexible haha.
dejonge 8 months ago
@StickyX10 Not necessarily. You can use whatever sensitivity and/or threshold you want. Triggers can still have (a certain form of) dynamics. It's an electric piezo element that picks up the vibrations on the drumhead, and sends it to a drum module that in it's turn translates it to a sample that the drummer chose.
dejonge 8 months ago
What are triggers?
DrPain2008 8 months ago
@DrPain2008 google
dejonge 8 months ago
what are triggers guys..????
kyriacos93b 8 months ago
@kyriacos93b google
dejonge 8 months ago
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this man was born to play for nile
walkhumble665 8 months ago
@11radben idk
cwrmetallica97 8 months ago
There are a lot better drummer than lombardo...
Show some respect for Bostaph or Hoglan or richard Christy.
Fuck1nMetal 9 months ago
Lombardo is a fantastic fucking drummer, but they're completely different. Dave is an all out thrash drummer, kollias plays tech death
Spect8er1 10 months ago
I just want everyone to stop saying that George Kollieas is better than Dave Lombardo. They are both equally bad ass in there own different ways. As for the stupid comment about Dave not playing 270bpm, thats because he doesn't use triggers. The mics will only pick up so much before it sounds too jumbled. Thats what George means when he says you can't play without triggers,
ilovezildjian 10 months ago 11
@ilovezildjian that's actually true.
dejonge 8 months ago
@dejonge Lots of clinics in wich Kollias plays without triggers just mic, and he still hits 280
DiminishedTB 5 months ago
@DiminishedTB Yeah of course he is haha, he's Kollias. But during a live performance it would lack punch, and would get lost in the wall of sound.
dejonge 5 months ago
2:10 what the fuck did that mean?
higain2 10 months ago
here comes the kraken drummer would murder him and dave lambordo!!!!!
cwrmetallica97 10 months ago
@cwrmetallica97 MAD :C
DeathmetalAxis 10 months ago
@DeathmetalAxis i do not know what your saying!!!
cwrmetallica97 10 months ago
@DeathmetalAxis im not mad its the truth
cwrmetallica97 10 months ago
@cwrmetallica97 In my opinion the "Here Comes the Kraken drummer probably 2 foot blasts and uses heel toe. Your argument is invalid. I'm not going to say your opinion is wrong. Some awesome guys that are heel toe players are John Longstreth and Francesco Paoli.
DeathmetalAxis 10 months ago
@DeathmetalAxis Longstreth plays regular doubles though
luciferincestus 10 months ago
@luciferincestus I thought at one point he was doing heel toe. I know now he does straight doubles, but I must have been mistaken.
DeathmetalAxis 10 months ago
@cwrmetallica97 Here comes the kraken drummer sucks, i've seen live and in the fast parts they put off the trigger, because he can't get fast like the album version, he sucks really hard, he's not a real drummer, George it is.
Solitaryo 10 months ago
@Solitaryo i believe you i didnt know he used triggers,but i dont like george
cwrmetallica97 10 months ago
@cwrmetallica97 How can you not like george....He rules big time and is one of the nicest guys ever !!!
luciferincestus 10 months ago
@cwrmetallica97 Seriously, you have got to be shitting me. Comparing a drummer from a deathcore band to George? What the fuck. Really!? Believe me, I like deathcore, perhaps even more than death metal. But shit, you can't fucking beat George when it comes down to pure fucking brutal drumming. FUCK.
dejonge 10 months ago 29
@dejonge Well, maybe Inferno.
Lastshadow94 2 months ago
@dejonge Lyle from the faceless is a pretty fucking amazing drummer. idk if you'd consider them deathcore, but some people do. I just think they're badass either way haha
karstd 1 month ago
@dejonge Deathcore sucks.
ac23AQ 2 weeks ago
@cwrmetallica97-Please that drummer is an emo pansy compared to Lambordo and Kollias
TheSinisterAwakening 10 months ago
@cwrmetallica97 no he won't ... stop making stupid comparisons like that kid, you make yourself look like a lousy drummer and more so lousy stupid deathcore fan... George for example can make a handstand and drink a coffee while solving a rubik's cube and fuck your mama then smoke a cigar, second time your mama and throw lars ulrich to a fuckin' grizzly bear WHILE PLAYING KAFIR with his eyes closed.... there is more music in George or Derrek's (for that matter)playing than in any deathcore song
AllInDrummer 9 months ago
@cwrmetallica97 Shitty, awful, trendy band, and I would sincerely like to see that drummer play as fast as George does, for as long as he does. Retard.
Steve128967 9 months ago
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Triggers are for cheaters!!
Varmenthunter2 11 months ago
@Varmenthunter2 What kind of shit comment is that? Care to explain why? No? Then gtfo.
dejonge 11 months ago 7
@Varmenthunter2 triggers just mic the drum kit....they dont make you cheat at all..it just makes them sound like clicks and amplify them to make it louder or else you wont be able to hear it live..so yeah check yor stuff
BennehDOher666 11 months ago
@Varmenthunter2-You don't know anything about drums then.
TheSinisterAwakening 10 months ago
@Varmenthunter2 triggers are for people who have reached human limits
iron77mike77 10 months ago 15
@iron77mike77 best comment so far
dejonge 10 months ago
@iron77mike77 triggers are for drummers who want to have a tight and clean sound! especially in a live sitution
derossi13 10 months ago
Extreme metal's insatiable hunger for speed is slowly turning it into somehow a fairy tale of skills and abilities.
cadaverr 11 months ago
Take a look at what drummers such as Buddy Rich did with his late 30's hardware for instance (yes, late 30's Slingerland, Rogers and Ludwig!). His bass drum pedal might've been soo rough to operate that even someone as technically proficient as Kollias wouldn't have been able to play one single convincing blast beat with it (fast, clean and lengthy). This is so deeply wrapped in artificialities that his real merit as a technician of his instrument ultimately becomes questionable to me.
cadaverr 11 months ago
@cadaverr Bet you didnt know he used a pedal called the Rogers swivel pedal. emulates the motion that Goerge above is using, the swivel of the foot. Same technique. It isnt that knew, and its been used for ages for high speeds, albiet in obscurity.
AnAbomination666 10 months ago
I find this trigger trend a paradox: Its needed but its also somehow disqualifies you as a drummer since you're using a tool to directly supply something you otherwise would've never been able to do, which is to playing fast double bass drumming with clarity, where every note is perfectly audible. These metal guys use so many triggers its a bit embarrassing. It kinda of crosses the line of the "better gear generates playing benefits" tantrum into the downright cheating zone.
cadaverr 11 months ago
13 people dont have motion
DarbyBoy96 11 months ago
Hannes Grossman makes this an all out deathmatch.
allXelseXfails 11 months ago
13 people are gay
zattera9 1 year ago
Your a heel down.:P
Omaralcorta22 1 year ago
@Omaralcorta22 No he isnt. He is playing heel up. Because the motion is the same as heel down
sebastianjwalker 1 year ago
@Omaralcorta22 Heel up*
sebastianjwalker 1 year ago
i thought he had a pearl kit not tama?
Punchinrocksintheeye 1 year ago
@Punchinrocksintheeye This clinic took place in the Netherlands. And he didn't have his own kit. His own kit was being set up at the venue he had to play at only 1 or 2 hours after this clinic. ..at least if I remember it correctly.
dejonge 1 year ago 2
@dejonge oh cool (: wish he would come to ireland and do something like this! hes my hero :L
Punchinrocksintheeye 1 year ago
@Punchinrocksintheeye back then he did not use pearl, he was endorsed by gabriel drums at the time, he was later endorsed by pearl in LATE 2007, so his GABRIEL kit was being set up at a show. Just gotta point that out :]
RiseWithTheFalen4 1 year ago
hellhammer or kollias?
DontLikeBandsIHate 1 year ago
@DontLikeBandsIHate
Hellhammer and Kollias!!!) They are very good drummers!
VitalisShlyakhtich 11 months ago
@VitalisShlyakhtich
what if we add inferno to the mix. 3-way tie?
DontLikeBandsIHate 11 months ago
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Wow! It Will Be Greatest Mix!
VitalisShlyakhtich 11 months ago
Technology should be embraced! But I think Mr George Kollias' point here is that if you play without actually playing the drums, the minute you touch an acoustic kit, you will be exposed, tarred, feathered and thrown to the sharks. Btw, Dave Lombardo's a legend! Would love to see how fast he goes with a trigger, but he'd probably say no. I think that is also the point Mr Kollias is making with regard to not just shaking your leg to keep the pedal hitting the trigger. Pointless.
MechanEvil 1 year ago
His drumming skills are very easy to learn all you have to do is practise 20 hours a day
MrBlackincarnation 1 year ago
I agree with george that all the people with triggers who don't make the beater swing far back are pretty much cheating. Not worthy of my respect.
SlayingMinion 1 year ago
oh nevermind looks like he is using X pedals
Pezzi69 1 year ago
@Pezzi69 No he's using the A longboards! The VDL is in the middle.
dejonge 1 year ago
do you know where he set his variable drive lever at? i can't figure out a good position for it to help me play fast tempos :l
Pezzi69 1 year ago
WTF ??? Did this guy just say if you don't use triggers, you can't play? (0:19) fucken hilarious! I wonder what Dave Lombardo would say to that
Casper4690 1 year ago
@Casper4690 ffs, stop bringing up lombardo. He doesn't play 270 bpm. lol.
dejonge 1 year ago 18
@dejonge if he used triggers he could probably do 300bpm! seriously, on the unholy alliance 2 dvd he played angel of death at like 240bpm, and speeds up just before the middle part, and that's loud and powerful, and it actually sounds like bass drums
BenHBX 1 year ago
I will say that I have more respect for Kollias after seeing him go fast in the end of the video without any triggers or anything, but you don't need triggers to hear the base drums, listen to Derek Roddy's stuff, like Behold Judas or narcotic genocide.
BenHBX 1 year ago
@Casper4690 he's saying you won't be able to be heard over your bandmates.
JarrodCanHasSinging 1 year ago
@Casper4690 He's talking about crazy death metal live gigs and whatnot. Trust me, if you don't have triggers at a metal show with a huge crowd, no one can hear any of the double bass action
SlayingMinion 1 year ago
@Casper4690 ya lombardo sux comared to kollias dont bring him in to this
nigelic 1 year ago
@Casper4690 Whats fuckin hilarious is this beyond ignorant comment... How the fuck do you hear 250-300 bpm without triggers... and triggers make it more difficult to be sloppy.
Dave Lombardo...? Your kidding, what he would say to this? We'll before you even show him this vid. He's going to want to see some of Georges material... And when he views it DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO SAY THATS GOING TO BE "fucken hilarious!" I would imagine,"holy fuck, this guy is insane So GTFO here ignorant bitch
FastHands1504 1 year ago
@Casper4690 Dave lombardo doesnt use triggers..
XDrUmErBoY512X 1 year ago
@Casper4690 First of all Lombardo doesn`t play what Kollias plays. And second, I bet he knows more about death metal drumming than you my friend, that`s for sure.
MrSatanochio 1 year ago
Yeah, please continue comparing Adler with Kollias. Two completely different styles. Stop the bitching or I'll start blocking people again, or even close the comments.. again.
dejonge 1 year ago
Who's Chris Adler ?
gnrcr 1 year ago
@gnrcr lamb of gods drummer
tony2tone1985 1 year ago
Man im a Chris Adler fan but to compare him to George is a big call!
I would even say Gene Hoglan is better than Chris, well at least in terms of double bass speed.
HeavyMetalFan861 1 year ago
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tw19771 1 year ago
I respect lars ulrich quite a bit as he was one of the founders for thrash drumming. i dont like to hear people bitching about his sloppy drumming (it is true though) but please id have thought that most drummers would respect him eaven if others cant.
Mehaxx 1 year ago
what beaters does he use? anyone please thank you!
makingmayhem678 1 year ago
i'm learning double bass now, but I stick at 130/140 heel up. Should I practice more heel down to develop the ankles?
BoomHaaften 1 year ago
@BoomHaaften You shouldn't even be near using ankles at that speed. Ankles don't come into play until 180 at the earliest, usually not until a good 200-210.
abacacus 1 year ago
Did he break the head at the end? LOL
AznR00t 1 year ago
1 more comment on the whole adler/kollias (george wins tho) discussion and I'll disable the comments again lol.
dejonge 1 year ago 4
@dejonge Who said that?, are you kidding?, Kollias anhililates adler.
Aheadstix85 1 year ago
Fuck i hate my shitty pedals, but great ones kost as much as the kit it self does.
marcusrehn 1 year ago
O.K George would take Adler in DB no question, but it doesn't mean by any means that he is better than him. When it comes to hand work Adler would smoke him! End of....
kevo598 1 year ago
@kevo598 What?
hahahahaha =(
I am not sure if you're joking there.
ryder187mac 1 year ago
@ryder187mac Really..........BAAHAHAHAHAHHA......I word kido: ruin, when george can top that fill then we'll talk, until then Adler's handwork is still top of the shit.
kevo598 1 year ago
@kevo598 Really.. bahahaa.
"Kiddo"? How about you check out The Essential Salts or Those Whom the Gods Detest by Nile... when Chris can play that then we'll talk, but until then George tops Adler in just about everything.
ryder187mac 1 year ago
@ryder187mac I did, and the answer:....... sorry George no cookie for you hahaha. Look man I'm not saying George is bad, hes fucking incredible!!! But this guys stuff has been done on numerous occasions! the reason theres soo many fanboys is simply because of his unmatched DB speed......Simple fucking as.....
kevo598 1 year ago
@kevo598 Basically every drummer's stuff has been done on multiple occasions. What I'm saying is that you're giving Adler the compliment and place he doesn't deserve, if it's technique you want to talk about then George is on Adler with just about everything. And it's not fanboyism, I'm objective, and he is one of the tops.
ryder187mac 1 year ago
@ryder187mac O.k, I’m not giving Alder some pre-eminence complex, it’s just that George has been misconceived by ‘objective’ people who obliviously eulogize over his technique. It’s a simple construct to understand: more speed, less precise movements and anyone can throw crashes over a snare blast that’s running at 600+ bpm, yes that sounds alot but considering I’ve been playing drums for the past 8 years you tend to get a nag understanding for such basic beats that have been speed up.
kevo598 1 year ago
@kevo598 It's simply because his technique IS something to praise, along with his sharing attitude. I'm sure you know that death metal is all about accuracy and precision. If anything, it's harder to keep perfect tempo with the rest of the band at a tempo which is like 240. And, if it's even a tiny bit off, it'll sound like a proper mess.
And, basic beats.... there's many rhythmic concepts in Nile. Also; sped up? Haha.
What's your point with Adler? You're contradicting yourself.
ryder187mac 1 year ago
what your hands can do. so does your feet. woot
sogandik 1 year ago
@tarponsalltheway actually lars didnt really do much for the metal drumming world besides attract attention to it. Lars isnt a great drummer just a famous one. With or without Lars i think death metal drumming still woulda been the same technique wise.
fatalkill101 1 year ago
and people think joey jordinson is the best drummer
McDouchebag22 1 year ago
@McDouchebag22, lots of drummers that are better but joey is still damn good.
Alex7457 1 year ago
thank god he doesnt heeltoe, if he did i woulda been sooo dissapointed, NILE RULES
ghostdrummer16 1 year ago
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olliemedsy 1 year ago
He only tool Lars as an exemple because everybody knows him that s it...
kolliasmalmsteenown 1 year ago
What is the point of toe risers, i play axis full tension, beater is about 6 inches away i hear most the metal players use them but i dont know why =D any info would be great! thanks!
kentsmedblom 1 year ago
@kentsmedblom toerisers rise the footboard, without changing the beater angle or VDL settings
dejonge 1 year ago
dave lombardo should not even be mentioned next to this guy lol!! i always get a good laugh watching his drum clinic on youtube lol. you need triggers because the bass drums at that speed are a pure rumble, any real drummer in metal nowadays knows this, dave lombardo and lars suck ass
tony2tone1985 1 year ago
@tony2tone1985 Without Dave or Lars, there wouldn't be this style of drumming.
tarponsalltheway 1 year ago
@tony2tone1985
drumming isnt only play fast double bass. Maybe this guy plays faster than Lars and is better than lars, BUT Dave Lombardo is a better drummer than this guy...sry but that´s my opinion.
ACDCSlayerMetallica 1 year ago
@ACDCSlayerMetallica Sure, but George would be able to play any song by Slayer without any problem, with one arm tied on his back. While Dave wouldn't be able to play any of the higher tempo Nile songs. I'm not saying Dave is a bad drummer, but when you'd compare them by speed/technique and pretty much any other aspect of drumming.... George would kick pretty much anybody's ass?
dejonge 1 year ago
@ACDCSlayerMetallica hahahaha, thats a whack opinion
tony2tone1985 1 year ago
dave lombardo and lars ulrich should not even be mention compared to this guy lol, i always get a good laugh watching lombardos drum clinic tho!
tony2tone1985 1 year ago
@dejonge have you seen dave by himself at clinics and shit when he goes full potential at double bass, its practically a vibration with iron cobras and no triggers and you can definately hear him, they call him the godfather of double bass for a reason, yes this guy is great but dave is fucking amazing
stewpolevault 1 year ago 2
@stewpolevault Yeah I've seen him play several times. Dave's okay. George perfected it.
dejonge 1 year ago 9
@stewpolevault georges feet are much better
nigelic 1 year ago
i fucking love this guy! a beast
MrYeswecan14 1 year ago
@typan1995 u sux u may not live to much longer man this guy is a fuk n pro
gagelovell 1 year ago
so are you saying that drummers use triggers because when they play really fast tempos they actually don't hit the drum with enough power?
SOADbulgaria 1 year ago
No. It makes it A LOT easier to hear each seperate hit. I don't know if you notice but when he plays fast at the beginning each hit seems to almost blend in to one. With triggers it eliminates that so you can play fast and the rest of the band still follow along.
hellsfist311 1 year ago
SOME drummers do that yes, but usually if they can hit it with enough power then they aren't playing clean double pedal and you'll just hear every mistake, which there will be many. What i mean is that when they play really fast tempos the sound almost blends together instead of distinguished hits. WIth triggers each hit is a lot more clear and distinct keeping them seperate. So when a good drummer uses them its not for himself but more to help the rest of the band stay together in the song.
hellsfist311 1 year ago
i still dont know what a trigger is......even after watching this video..lol
WOLVES4842 1 year ago
@WOLVES4842 A trigger just takes the bass drum hits and plays a prerecorded sound, basically just like an electric drum set... so it sounds cleaner and better.
xJMAN07x 1 year ago 4
It's what many people refuse to understand :p
Math022 1 year ago
who does he play for
goochie94 1 year ago
Nile
SilentiumAustria 1 year ago
Nile.
Rais155 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
is that true the fastest untriggered drummer is dave lombardo ?
Footballzeal 1 year ago
Is it better to use your legs or heels?
I'm new at all this so I could use some tips
sovereignsjust 2 years ago
his throne doesnt have rubber feet thingy
blackwinglair 2 years ago
I'm gonna learn the swivel technique but I just started on double pedals. I just wondered should I learn normal heel up first of go straight for swivel?
typan1995 2 years ago
learn heel up first definatly, im 14 and ive been playn drums for 12yrs and ave been playn double bass since i was 6 and playn heel up and its workd for me but im now just startnto work on swivel, thats an advanced teqneqe and i wouldnt recommend tryn it until u hav a good 3-6 yrs of double bass practice under ur belt lol good luck dudue
PanterArts 2 years ago
@PanterArts
14yo and been playin drums for 12yrs? wow
LMAO
zly81 1 year ago 2
for real, strtd since i was 2... wen i get a camera ill put some up
PanterArts 1 year ago
learn normal heel up first
im1just1here1 2 years ago
swivell only comes into play when ur playing faster tempos, learn heal up to start with, once you are use to it and can play faster tempos then start using the swivell. you will just screw up ur tecnique trying to swivell at slower tempos. a lot of times people only swivell with the left foot and keep the right more steady.
check out tim yeung!
thispagesux 1 year ago
@thispagesux thanks ive been playing a year but only two months with doubles so? Ive got a while to get my feet going.
typan1995 1 year ago
@krakhaid yeah but the thing with triggers is that every drummer who uses them don't need them, only people who play extremely fast need them so the sound of the bass drum can be heard, most drummers who use triggers nowadays are lazy or just don't have the stamina and they know that even if they tap the bass pedal while playing it'll still sound tight, and about lars yeah he isn't really good, he's just a part of the whole metallica hype which is why he gets so much recognition
Damhiz 2 years ago
To people decrying triggers, shut it. Triggers don't magically make you able to move your foot faster, they simply clean up the sound.
krakhaid 2 years ago 3
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Damhiz 2 years ago
it's funny he gives lars some praise when lars is actually nothing compared to him
Damhiz 2 years ago 42
That's what I thought too. Personally, I think lars is a rather unimpressive drummer, especially for thrash. It just sounds like he's playing basic rock beats but a bit faster. The only songs where he even uses any real speed to the double bass is on One and Dyer's Eve.
krakhaid 2 years ago
@Damhiz its true i agree with u that he is wayyyyyyy better than lars... but to tell u the truth lars and metallica moved the genre of metal-death, black, thrash, whatever- in a direction that revolutionized music. i don't think george kollias would even be in a band without the influence of lars.
AMPENERGY50 1 year ago
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circleslammer 1 year ago
@Damhiz
lars has inspired many drummers, despite how simple he plays, its his emotionality that inspires people
kenshinryoko 1 year ago
@Damhiz lars is nothing compared to ringo fuckin starr lol
JackMehoff845 1 year ago
@JackMehoff845 ^ like
pinheadpizza 1 year ago
ah damn hes funny. that made me laugh.
or when ur smoking u know
Peruviandude96 2 years ago 3
I wanted to buy some triggers but dont have the money to but the modules to plug them into, and I was wondering if I buy a tiny bass amp could I use with the triggers
typan1995 2 years ago
crazy drummers (not in any specific order):
vitek
sandoval
tim yeung
gene hoglan
kollias
daray
hellhammer
inferno
aznkriss133 2 years ago
POLL:
so who IS the fastest drummer on untriggered double bass?
iamthewalrusQ 2 years ago
Mounier generally goes completely untriggered live, but admittedly he's more impressive in the fast hands and stupidly complicated fills department than he is rapid double kick.
I think Once Was Not was completely untriggered and he gets some serious speed on that.
webbtje 2 years ago
ah yes, cryptopsy. I thought none so vile was untriggered too?
iamthewalrusQ 2 years ago
Yeah, I think everything except for TUK is.
webbtje 2 years ago
I've seen flo live and I have his dvd(wich has lots of live footage on it) and have Once was not. He defenitely uses triggers but only on his bassdrums just like George and Derek and most death metal drummers.
luciferincestus 2 years ago
luciferincestus ==> triggers don't mak you play faster, just clean the sound
Blacklorigine 2 years ago
Exactly.
luciferincestus 2 years ago
derek roddy
rigolith 2 years ago
hmmmm... roddy? A lot of his stuff sounds triggered to me, but are there certain albums where he is untriggered?
iamthewalrusQ 2 years ago
he used triggers earlier..when he worked with several bands like nile,hate eternal etc.but nw he dont use triggers but still play at the same speed... \m/
rigolith 2 years ago
@rigolith um, since he left hate eternal he hasn't joined another band yet, has he?
iamthewalrusQ 2 years ago
yea
rigolith 2 years ago
The same drummer that is the fastest with a triggered bassdrum.
luciferincestus 2 years ago
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Blacklorigine 2 years ago
you HAVE GOT to be kidding me. first of all...slayer is NOT death metal. and second...dave lombardo is a fucking turtle compared to most extreme metal drummers. no diss...i love slayer, but dude...you're comparing apples to oranges.
skinnee 2 years ago
fool!!! Kollias said that anything above 220 bpm requires triggers because it will sound inaudible. And Lombrado does not play speeeds that fast!!!
FutileExistence 2 years ago 6