This is a deliberate tribute to DT, I don't see the problem here. Much like how "Solitary Shell" is a deliberate tribute to Peter Gabriel's "Solsbury Hill".
Besides, that lyrical line is lifted DIRECTLY from Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" anyway.
Yes, this is 100% stolen. But beside that, there are maybe at least 10 songs from different artists that sound like learning to live in some point somewhere in the timeline. Nobody can come up with something completely new, everything is based on something invented before and that's alright if you are not selling stolen things. 4 Example: Symphony X's "Throught The Looking Glass" always sounded to me like "Under A Glass Moon" by Dream Theater. I don't know why, actually I know, but It's OK.
...Im also a DT fan and I've seen them live a dozen times. I also like PM quite a lot, and don't see any issue here. It's a quasi-prog band and everyone will have noticed the similarity and smiled at the tribute. Im much more pissed about DT doing full albums imitating Muse, U2 etc and not creating anything interesting lately.
Why does everyone keep thinking that Octavarium is plagiarism? Dream Theater MEANT to show their influences in Octavarium. As Mike Portnoy said, "The album is just one big nugget." I can see why some people would be annoyed, some of the songs kind of take too much, especially Never Enough, although it's my second favorite song. why couldn't you just smile at Dt's tribute to their favorite bands? It's not like their not talented enough to produce original material.
Agreed - both U2 and Muse immediately sprang to mind when I first heard a few songs from Octavarium ('Never Enough', while a great song, could have easily been on a Muse album without anyone asking twice), and Metallica and Tool influences were apparent in Train of Thought.
I still love Dream Theater, and I still think everything they make is gold, but I do wish they would stop pretending to be other bands as if they didn't previously have an amazing, unique sound of their own.
@GrandMasterScotty It isnt actually plagiarism though then, its influence. And they personally admit that they do get influences from other albums when creating their own
dream theater does what anti fans may call plagiarism, too. one of the parts of the six degrees of inner turbulence sounds exactly like this one other song. it's called influences, all bands have some sort of influences
The number of fucks I give:
Wiiwillrockyouup 3 months ago
Yes... and Dream Theater "plagiarised" Muse?
You are fuckin' biased.
ddensu 4 months ago
Personally - I don't care.
halfdan60 9 months ago
I haven't listened to PM in a while so I'm not sure what songs but I heard more DT-like parts.
nickmasterx 11 months ago
Listen to Dream theaters "This dying soul" And then Blackend by Metallica. Case closed.
Sigurdgsa 1 year ago
This is a deliberate tribute to DT, I don't see the problem here. Much like how "Solitary Shell" is a deliberate tribute to Peter Gabriel's "Solsbury Hill".
Besides, that lyrical line is lifted DIRECTLY from Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" anyway.
endlessintertwined 2 years ago
So both of them uses "With confidence and self control"?
Wow, big deal... -_-
Windaros 2 years ago
plop
dreamtheateriano95 2 years ago
Yes, this is 100% stolen. But beside that, there are maybe at least 10 songs from different artists that sound like learning to live in some point somewhere in the timeline. Nobody can come up with something completely new, everything is based on something invented before and that's alright if you are not selling stolen things. 4 Example: Symphony X's "Throught The Looking Glass" always sounded to me like "Under A Glass Moon" by Dream Theater. I don't know why, actually I know, but It's OK.
balkansk1 3 years ago
i think it was on purpose considering i heard about pagans mind by looking through a dream theater album booklet and it suggested them
ibanezplayer147 3 years ago
...Im also a DT fan and I've seen them live a dozen times. I also like PM quite a lot, and don't see any issue here. It's a quasi-prog band and everyone will have noticed the similarity and smiled at the tribute. Im much more pissed about DT doing full albums imitating Muse, U2 etc and not creating anything interesting lately.
ronthal 3 years ago
Why does everyone keep thinking that Octavarium is plagiarism? Dream Theater MEANT to show their influences in Octavarium. As Mike Portnoy said, "The album is just one big nugget." I can see why some people would be annoyed, some of the songs kind of take too much, especially Never Enough, although it's my second favorite song. why couldn't you just smile at Dt's tribute to their favorite bands? It's not like their not talented enough to produce original material.
Skwigelf100 3 years ago
@ronthal
Agreed - both U2 and Muse immediately sprang to mind when I first heard a few songs from Octavarium ('Never Enough', while a great song, could have easily been on a Muse album without anyone asking twice), and Metallica and Tool influences were apparent in Train of Thought.
I still love Dream Theater, and I still think everything they make is gold, but I do wish they would stop pretending to be other bands as if they didn't previously have an amazing, unique sound of their own.
GrandMasterScotty 1 year ago
@GrandMasterScotty It isnt actually plagiarism though then, its influence. And they personally admit that they do get influences from other albums when creating their own
White1Tiger2Dan 6 months ago
dream theater does what anti fans may call plagiarism, too. one of the parts of the six degrees of inner turbulence sounds exactly like this one other song. it's called influences, all bands have some sort of influences
monkeylemur 3 years ago
Did you mean "About to crash" and its reprise :D
balkansk1 3 years ago
it was solitary shell, which sounded similar to peter gabriel's "solsbury hill" but i'm sure about to crash had its share of influences too
monkeylemur 3 years ago 2
I think it a deliberate tribute to Dream Theater. Ever think of that?
jontheater 3 years ago
omg! Pagan´s Mind are fucking cocksuckers!
PirateFromSweden 3 years ago 5