Year of Darwin-Sean B. Carroll

[lorrieringel]

Wonderful video thanks for sharing keep it up =))

[AntiChrista4WPeace]

DARwin saw in an ape, Marilyn Monroe.

[TheManWithTVEyes]

Darwinian evolution has not been observed and the fossil record does not substantiate his postulations. Human science is based on human perception, not human conjecture. Adaptations/mutations have been, and continue to be, methodically documented. All histories, as gauged by men, contain elements of fraud—as demonstrated by the learned charlatans at East Anglia University, in collusion with N.A.S.A., who have been caught fabricating climatic records.

[colourmegone]

@TheManWithTVEyes The so called 'holy bible' is the biggest fraud extant except for the other 'holy' books. And evolution has been observed and documented. The fossil record speaks for itself.

[Mr88playmaker]

Look like atheists will need to get some crystals, or some snowflakes or maybe the colorful graphic pattern off a couch, or some pajamas or a shower curtain to magically function as linear code that creates and governs biological cells. Good luck.

By the way, DNA code is information and language. Information and language arise from a MIND. ie: Intelligent Design.

[cuppajoe99]

@Mr88playmaker

The genetic code is a language, now?  Is it French? It's french, isn't it?

[Mr88playmaker]

@cuppajoe99

Since you have no idea what language is, tell me something, Is HTML code "French" ?

Zoink.

PS: You may have to go look up the definition of code.

[cuppajoe99]

@Mr88playmaker

Ok, but the genetic code isn't any closer to HTML than it is to French. The code is just 'three bases in, one amino acid out'. It's not anything you could say anything meaningful with, which is why I made fun of you for calling it a language.

[Mr88playmaker]

DNA code is empirical proof that biological life forms are a creative product of information and language. i.e.: Nous / Logos

[gotrootdude]

Self-aligning crystals structures speak their own language and the science of chemistry gives us the origin of that language.  There is no reason to assume that the science of biology cannot give us the origin of life's language in the same manner.

[Mr88playmaker]

@gotrootdude (QUOTE) Self-aligning crystals structures speak their own language (END QUOTE)

Just like little monkeys flying out of a unicorn's butt speak the language of snowflakes and lolly pops.

Linguistics 101: For something to be rightly called a language, it must contain the following elements:

(1) an alphabet or coding system

(2) correct spelling, grammar (a proper arrangement of the words)

(3) meaning (semantics)

(4) an intended purpose.

DNA code is LANGUAGE and crystals AIN'T!

[gotrootdude]

@Mr88playmaker  DNA is not a language, it is simply a molecule which replicates itself, shares a correspondence with a similar nucleic acid polymer and which ultimately directs the formation of proteins. There are no written instructions; the molecules interact solely through their physical characteristics. Furthermore, it is a strange language indeed when millions of variations on one "word" written in RNA all "translate" into the same "word" written in amino acids

[colourmegone]

@Mr88playmaker If a language has an intended purpose then DNA isn't one. Evolution and, by extension, DNA, is not purposive, it has no volition. It simply exists like crystals or sedimentary rocks. If there is any purpose in life it's because we chose to give it one. Evolution is a natural process like the tides, which is why 'The Blind Watchmaker' is a great metaphor but it's only a metaphor and 'language' as a description of DNA is only metaphor.

[Mr88playmaker]

@colourmegone

Dude, "crystal & sedimentary rocks" do not function as encoded biological blue print instructions for the creation and governance of biological life forms. Information is the communication of knowledge or intelligence. Language arises from a mind. NON-thinking matter does not assign meaning to symbols.



[Mr88playmaker]

Face it. DNA serves the death blow to Evolution.

Einstein pointed to the nature and origin of symbolic information as one of the profound questions about the world as we know it. He could identify no means by which matter could bestow meaning to symbols. The clear implication is that symbolic information, or language, represents a category of reality distinct from matter and energy.

If Einstein is wrong, and code is matter, prove it and win the Nobel prize.

[Mr88playmaker]

At the end of the day, there are only two options.

Either:

(1) Intelligence arises from an INTELLIGENT source

OR

(2) Intelligence arises from a NON-intelligent source.

The 'NON-intelligent source' option is illogical and completely indefensible.

All great thinkers recognize the Mind Of God FIRST and foremost. Even loony Charles Darwin was never so totally illogical as to be an atheist.

[AlexanderRaccoon]

@Mr88playmaker

maybe it took intelligence.  But we are still learning how that intelligence works,.

[colourmegone]

@Mr88playmaker A geologist can 'read' sedimentary rocks, just as a biologist can 'read' DNA, that doesn't make either one a language and crystals contain a 'blueprint' that allows them to grow and replicate. Crystals and sedimentary rocks and DNA ALL contain data which can be extracted by human intelligence. But looked at objectively crystals, rocks and DNA are simple, natural phenomena. There is nothing special about DNA except the value we, i.e. the human species, place on it.

[Mr88playmaker]

Sorry for the typeos...

[Mr88playmaker]

@colourmegone

haha! Dude, "we humans can assign value" to a colorful graphic pattern on a sofa cushion and for all our "assigning" it won't make the pillow function as a information language computer program.

Plus, data & information are two different things. Data can be anything but Information is the communication of knowledge or intelligence.

By the way, the cell is a computer. It computes information and langauge i.e.: DNA code. The code directions literally create AND govern.

[Mr88playmaker]

@gotrootdude

Now you're being silly. If that were true, someone would have presented that as science and won a Nobel prize.

Everybody knows that information is neither matter nor energy. The only way to assign meaning to symbols via a MIND (intelligence). Matter does not bestow meaning to symbols, period. Genetic code is the information that writes /produces /creates your chemicals, and everything else. By the way, "Crystals" do not function as a computer program!!!

[gotrootdude]

@Mr88playmaker I should have stated the science of abiogenesis instead of Biology. You are aware that the genetic code is composed of chemicals right? Why do you presume that information requires an intelligent mind when you can present no evidence that it does? Why do you presume meaning when there's no evidence that a meaning is required. You seem to be throwing a bunch of extra unsupported presumptions into your conclusions.

[Mr88playmaker]

(A) Information is: the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence.

(B) Information exist independent of its medium.

(the same information can be stored in one's mind, expressed verbally, written on paper, typed on a computer etc.)

(C) Code = Language. Language originates in a MIND.

There ore only two types of language known to man: (1) That of human mind origin (2) DNA code.

Information is not matter or energy.

Language is not matter or energy.

[Golkarian]

@Mr88playmaker, also see the ev program by Thomas Schneider

[Golkarian]

@Mr88playmaker, also in your sense of information, DNA is not information since it is not a communication between two intelligent sources, it simply produces proteins that usually improve fitness, and conveys no extra information, there is no instruction manual meant for humans in DNA. Also we know how selection works but not intelligence, it is quite possible that our brains work by selection, in which case evolution is intelligence, but that hasn't been verified.

[Mr88playmaker]

@Golkarian

Matter does not add new information to the genome. The only known source for information is a mind.

[Golkarian]

@Mr88playmaker there is no definition of information where that statement is true. I'm sure you've heard of gene duplication, and differentiation (since you must have been told a thousand times on the internet), where a gene is copied, than the copy changes to perform a new function. New function, new information. Both are easily explained. And yes, someone did get the Nobel Prize for this (Physiology and Medicine 1983, but only for one of many ways this can happen).

[Mr88playmaker]

@Golkarian (QUOTE) "I'm sure you've heard of gene duplication..." (END QUOTE)

Think deep. Duplications are copies of EXISTING information, NOT new information.

Information only arises from a mind.

[Golkarian]

@Mr88playmaker did you read what I said? Gene duplication, then DIFFERENTIATION! You copy existing information so you have a new template, once you change the function you have new information. For example, say a system contains one protein. After duplication it can have two proteins, it doesn't do anything new. But once differentiation occurs, through (for example) a point mutation than the system can perform a new, possibly more complex, function.

[Mr88playmaker]

@Golkarian said (QUOTE) "DNA is not information since it is not a communication between two intelligent sources" (END QUOTE)

Pay closer attention, focus, and it will come to you.

1. Genetic code is symbolic information.

2. Information is the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence between an encoder and a decoder utilizing agreed upon symbols.

3. Matter does NOT assign meaning to symbols. Only a MIND does.

[Golkarian]

@Mr88playmaker 1) "Genetic code is symbolic information": wrong, DNA is a sequence of molecules that gets translated into proteins (through RNA) and copied.

2)If true, it's irrelevant to DNA, and would require ribosomes and polymerases to be intelligent

3)Ok, again, DNA has no meaning, it just creates something with a function, if it had a meaning, we would need polymerases and ribosomes with MINDs.

Only we assign meaning to DNA, but that meaning is not intrinsic.

[Mr88playmaker]

@Golkarian said (QUOTE) "wrong, DNA is a sequence of molecules that gets translated into proteins (through RNA) and copied." (END QUOTE)

Re-read my post. The DNA molecule contains symbolic INFORMATION. The information is NOT as you say some "sequenced molecules." Listen to yourself & examine what you are saying. Suppose the that "sequenced molecules" indeed constitutes and function as genetic code for the creation and governance of biological life forms: Said CODE is still information.

[Mr88playmaker]

@Golkarian said (QUOTE) "Only we assign meaning to DNA, but that meaning is not intrinsic." (END QUOTE)

The genetic code is Symbolic Information

Information is the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence between an encoder and decoder utilizing agreed upon symbols. (this operates in your body whether you "observe" it yourself). Genetic code functions like computer software, INDEPENDENT of your ever needing to know about it. Humans did NOT assign MEANING to the CODE.

[Mr88playmaker]

@Golkarian asserts the scientific position of evolutionists, stating (QUOTE) "Only we assign meaning to DNA, but that meaning is not intrinsic." (END QUOTE)

Not true, The only thing "we" can "assign" to the genetic code is names/labels for its components as we discover them, but NOT meaning. The meaning is intrinsic. The meaning is assigned to the code. It works like software. It's why atheists are lashing out at "religion." Matter does NOT assign meaning to symbols -- only a MIND can.

[Mr88playmaker]

@Golkarian (QUOTE) "it is quite possible that our brains work by selection, in which case evolution is intelligence, but that hasn't been verified." (END QUOTE)

FACT: Intelligence only arises out of a mind,

FACT: Information only arises out of a mind,

FACT: The only language known to man is:

(1) that of human mind origin (this includes codes etc.)

(2) DNA code (genetic code).

BTW: Animals utilize low-level communication skills, not language. Their Intelligence / Info arises from their MIND

[Golkarian]

@Mr88playmaker both codes are known to increase in information by natural selection. Restating your conclusion will not make it true, you have to support it, and respond to objections. As it stands every science contradicts you (physics and chemistry allow energy, not "mind-stuff", to increase information, biology and information theory use selection). When we look at the mind we see the same principles, thinking requires energy (the nervous system uses about a third of the energy in humans).

[gotrootdude]

Information cannot exist without the necessary prerequisites; mainly matter, energy, time and space.

[GPLeague]

Got to see Dr. Carroll give a presentation on his latest book at my college last semester. Reading his book on this topic as we speak. Sweet!

[mBlackFly]

@GPLeague no way! I'm actually smoking a bong as we speak.

Sweetness!!