Kick is more commonly a sound engineering term, as is rack one, rack two, overs, I remember many years ago the engineer talking to me thru the drum fill at soundcheck and I had no idea what he wanted me to hit, but I s'pose doin sound checks is noisy with a lot goin on, so maybe the word 'kick' is easier to decipher...that's what I assumed anyway.
I love the Kenny Clarke and Shadow Wilson reference. This guy is deep into the history. Time feel, swinging groove, and listening. That's REALLY where it's at.
@kipperfeast just as i thought. U don't know what a double bass is.... or perhaps u know it as an upright bass? Or string bass? No wait... you'd probably call those things big cellos, right?
Funny video, but damn! I'm so sick of hearing the bass drum being called a "kick"! Any self-respecting drummer who knows shit about the drums calls it what it is--a double bass. "Kick" drum was most likely coined by some stupid guitarist or lazy-ass sound man. Do you kick your bass drum? Idiots...
@kipperfeast yeah... um... relax mate, its just a word... as you say.. u must be one of those self-respecting that knows "shit" about the drums, or about music.... cause u don't seem to know what a double bass really is...
Hey kipperfeast - the term kick drum actually goes way way back to the earliest days of jazz, before the bass drum pedal was invented and drums actually kicked the drum when they was playing "traps"
Hey kipperfeast - the term kick drum actually goes way way back to the earliest days of jazz, before the bass drum pedal was invented and drumers actually kicked the drum when they was playing "traps"
Right, "upright bass" is an alternative name to the double bass. You have no problem calling it something other than its original name. But you get mad at people who give the bass drum an alternative name?
@riddleman65 No, because "upright bass" is a sensible alternative to "double bass", which probably started to go out when the double bass drum set-up started. "Kick drum" is just retarded. Do you kick your bass drum? I would hope not.
Actually, the double bass took on other names when it started becoming common in other genres to help distinguish it from the other types of basses. This is where the kick drum term originated as well. They needed a name to distinguish the bass drum in classical music (played with your hand) from the bass drum used in other forms of music (played with your feet kicking a pedal) They need different names because they're very different drums. And yes, you do kick it...with a pedal.
Uh huh, and the "double bass" isn't really a "double" bass, you know. There's only one of it. It's just a name. Kick drum has been around since the drum's inception in the 30's, so you can blame the old jazz drummers for coming up with a crappy name. You can call it the pedal drum from now on, see if it catches on.
@riddleman65 Right. I don't want to continue a debate with a delusional "know-it-all" who just won't give up, so I'll just quote a few facts from actual music history and leave it at that:
"In music, the bass drum is used to mark or keep time." Hmm..."bass" drum.
"William F. Ludwig made the bass drum pedal workable in 1909." Hmm..."bass" drum pedal.
"The idea for the double bass drum setup came from jazz drummer Louie Bellson." Wow..."double bass drum". This is all starting to make sense
Bass drum was invented for orchestral use. It's big and resonant. It started being used in vaudville, so Ludwig made the pedal so that percussionists could multi task. Once that happened, they needed a name to differentiate the names of a bass drum played with your hands from a bass drum played with your feet. This also started a trend in manufacturing them differently. Bass drums used in orchestras and kick drums used with a pedal are completely different instruments.
@kipperfeast You knew what they meant when they said 'kick' though, right? What if your drum teacher called it a 'kick' throughout the whole time you were learning how to play drums, you might know a lot of about the drums and have self-respect but still call it a 'kick.' Maybe you just want to seem really smart and knowledgeable by criticizing other people's choice of language.
@kipperfeast I prefer to call it a kick in order to distinguish it from a bass guitar. And I'm a drummer, most guitarists and sound guys I've run across call it a bass. And it occasionally results in confusion.
@kipperfeast Take a second to climb down from your high horse there buddy - the bass drum was originally called a kick drum because when the drum kit was first created there was no such thing as a pedal, and so the drummers actually had to kick the thing. Any self respecting drummer who knows shit about drums would know that though... ;-)
@drummerkingmike No high horse here, just truth. I don't know where you get your "history", but it's a myth. The "bass drum" is a general name for all large drums with the lowest in pitch that have two heads. Before William Ludwig invented the bass drum pedal in 1909, it was played by hand in marching bands such as New Orleans-style jazz or in symphonies. It wasn't even used as part of the traditional "drum kit", which preceded the "trap kit" until after the "bass drum pedal" was invented.
@kipperfeast That's all very nice but your missing a short period of time. Yes the bass drum was originally played by hand but there was a time where orchestras were low on money, so began fireing the leased important members of the band. Savvy snare drum players decided that they could make themselves more valuable by learning to play the bass drum with their feet while still playing snare, and so of course they stayed while the bass drum player got the snip. Before the pedal, they kicked it
@kipperfeast I'm not trying to start a pissing match, but I was reading through some of your comments, and needed to say, you sound like a moron! So, when you play rock, you "stomp" on your pedal? What? Why? When did you learn to swirl your sticks, and how often do you do it? Couple times in a song? Bet you think you reeeeeally cool, huh?
@kipperfeast Hahaha! Awesome. Please look up "double bass" on wikipedia or anywhere else. So how long have you been going around calling yourself a "double bass player". Does anyone appear confused when you sit down at the drums?
@alhypo Yeah, I know what a "double bass" is. I'm talking about "double bass drums". Look that up on Wikipedia, moron, since you don't seem to know what they are...
@kipperfeast "I'm so sick of hearing the bass drum being called a "kick"!" You were not refering to a double bass drum set up. What a bullshit artist.
@kipperfeast Oh, and yes, you can kick the drum. Early drummers did this when they were trying to cover multiple parts. I suspect Ludwig was inspired to invent the "kick pedal" to accommodate those innovative drummers.
My question is, why does any self-respecting drummer call the foot operated cymbals a "hi-hat"? You don't wear them on your head...
@alhypo Well, Mr. Denial, Ludwig invented the "bass drum pedal". The hi-hat,which was shortened from "high-hat",came after the earlier double-cymbal set-up which was called a "low-hat" because initially the set-up was two smaller diameter cymbals that were operated with the foot and smashed together. They sat low to the ground and weren't played with sticks. I've no idea why the word "hat" is used in them, but that is their proper name.Now, please stop bothering me with your ignorance...
@kipperfeast Originally in the "Big Band" era they were a set of small cymbals on a tiny foot driven stand. They eventually mounted them on a taller foot driven stand and became what are now called "Hi Hats" but were still called "Sock Cymbals" for the longest time.
@kipperfeast Actually It originally was called a kick drum because back in the day the pedal wasn't developed yet and you would actually kick it with your foot. That didn't last long though.
@tenorsax120 Really? What day was that? I've never seen or heard of it being called a kick drum until the last 20 years or so, and it was because of sound engineers, etc. using it to distinguish it from the bass guitar...
Too funny, certainally pro-trad as if double kick was a modern invention but completely ignoring great trad double-kick players such as Louie Bellson and Ed Shaghnessy.
Brown asks what you've been working on, and I immediately think "My time, swinging, listening." and those are the three things that come out of Green's mouth.
I must say I love all the great double bass drummers I hear..Chris Pennie for instance..hello! etc but this is pretty funny!! (Dave lost the mullet I believe and is a bad MF in his own right)....I think there are so many police floating around jazz, rock and otherwise that you have to always have your passport handy!
@tfdrums It's me. This video is in some ways a different take on the Jazz Nerds rant that I did in Toronto, which is why I found this video hilarious. I have to make my own video like this eventually.
I think that it's called a double kick instead of double bass so that we are not confusing drums with boating fun
triplat89 1 month ago
So many of these comments sound like a continuation of the video itself!
LXtrombone 1 month ago
I don't need to listen more, I play so loud that I can hear myself fine...
fardrum 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
are these berklee kids that made this?
penutbito 5 months ago
Weckl-Bashing 101 is a required course for drummers at most colleges.
MrDelicious84 5 months ago
Kick is more commonly a sound engineering term, as is rack one, rack two, overs, I remember many years ago the engineer talking to me thru the drum fill at soundcheck and I had no idea what he wanted me to hit, but I s'pose doin sound checks is noisy with a lot goin on, so maybe the word 'kick' is easier to decipher...that's what I assumed anyway.
naedsukram 6 months ago
i like dave weckl! haha this is hilarious though so many douchebag wannabe drummers out there. not hating or anything i play drums
ryan9312 7 months ago
Too funny!!!
Even most the comments are at the same level as the movie dialog. Keep up the great arguments... it will be helpful for more movie material.
jeremyesposito1 8 months ago 2
@jeremyesposito1
Yeah, you're right!
themancable 6 months ago
I love the Kenny Clarke and Shadow Wilson reference. This guy is deep into the history. Time feel, swinging groove, and listening. That's REALLY where it's at.
curiousnomad 10 months ago
like the green one =)
Pianodrum95 10 months ago
this was definitely put together by a bitter jazz cat...just because someone isn't exactly into your style doesn't make them a moron...
manifestgtr 10 months ago
wow lol this is so funny, and yet so sad.
Percussiongurl 10 months ago
Lol. Sounds like an outside of 150 Mass ave building conversation. Or maybe a basement of Uchida building.
Mattris 10 months ago
Best line: "I've even got a mullet like he does so the auditioners know I'm serious about playing jazz"
wrocklin 10 months ago
Best line: "I've even got a mullet like he does so the auditioners know I'm serious about playing jazz"
wrocklin 10 months ago
This is the BEST jazz robots video
jg0r 11 months ago
@kipperfeast just as i thought. U don't know what a double bass is.... or perhaps u know it as an upright bass? Or string bass? No wait... you'd probably call those things big cellos, right?
tfdrums 1 year ago
"Reading music? But I'm a drummer!"
juliadeetruchsess 1 year ago
Funny video, but damn! I'm so sick of hearing the bass drum being called a "kick"! Any self-respecting drummer who knows shit about the drums calls it what it is--a double bass. "Kick" drum was most likely coined by some stupid guitarist or lazy-ass sound man. Do you kick your bass drum? Idiots...
kipperfeast 1 year ago
@kipperfeast yeah... um... relax mate, its just a word... as you say.. u must be one of those self-respecting that knows "shit" about the drums, or about music.... cause u don't seem to know what a double bass really is...
tfdrums 1 year ago 42
@kipperfeast
Hey kipperfeast - the term kick drum actually goes way way back to the earliest days of jazz, before the bass drum pedal was invented and drums actually kicked the drum when they was playing "traps"
JRFAN321 1 year ago
@kipperfeast
Hey kipperfeast - the term kick drum actually goes way way back to the earliest days of jazz, before the bass drum pedal was invented and drumers actually kicked the drum when they was playing "traps"
JRFAN321 1 year ago
@kipperfeast The "bass" drum is known as the "kick" because when you label tracks on the mixer, you don't confuse it with the bass guitar channel.
erstudios 11 months ago
@kipperfeast Why would you call your bass drum by a string instrument's name?
BenskyBen 10 months ago 2
@BenskyBen Well basically because that's what it was called when it was invented...
kipperfeast 10 months ago
@kipperfeast
A double bass is a stringed instrument. That's why drummers say double kick, to avoid confusion.
riddleman65 9 months ago
@riddleman65 Right but that went out decades ago. It's mostly now referred to as a stand-up bass...
kipperfeast 9 months ago
@kipperfeast
Right, "upright bass" is an alternative name to the double bass. You have no problem calling it something other than its original name. But you get mad at people who give the bass drum an alternative name?
riddleman65 9 months ago
@riddleman65 No, because "upright bass" is a sensible alternative to "double bass", which probably started to go out when the double bass drum set-up started. "Kick drum" is just retarded. Do you kick your bass drum? I would hope not.
kipperfeast 9 months ago
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riddleman65 9 months ago
@kipperfeast
Actually, the double bass took on other names when it started becoming common in other genres to help distinguish it from the other types of basses. This is where the kick drum term originated as well. They needed a name to distinguish the bass drum in classical music (played with your hand) from the bass drum used in other forms of music (played with your feet kicking a pedal) They need different names because they're very different drums. And yes, you do kick it...with a pedal.
riddleman65 9 months ago
@riddleman65 Right... So, "pedal drum" would make sense. Also, you don't kick a pedal, you step on it. Or, in rock, you stomp on it.
kipperfeast 9 months ago
@kipperfeast
Uh huh, and the "double bass" isn't really a "double" bass, you know. There's only one of it. It's just a name. Kick drum has been around since the drum's inception in the 30's, so you can blame the old jazz drummers for coming up with a crappy name. You can call it the pedal drum from now on, see if it catches on.
riddleman65 9 months ago
@riddleman65 No, I'll just call it a bass drum, as I always have, because that's what it is.
kipperfeast 9 months ago
@kipperfeast
Except technically it's not, as I already explained to you.
riddleman65 9 months ago
@riddleman65 Right. I don't want to continue a debate with a delusional "know-it-all" who just won't give up, so I'll just quote a few facts from actual music history and leave it at that:
"In music, the bass drum is used to mark or keep time." Hmm..."bass" drum.
"William F. Ludwig made the bass drum pedal workable in 1909." Hmm..."bass" drum pedal.
"The idea for the double bass drum setup came from jazz drummer Louie Bellson." Wow..."double bass drum". This is all starting to make sense
kipperfeast 9 months ago
@kipperfeast
Bass drum was invented for orchestral use. It's big and resonant. It started being used in vaudville, so Ludwig made the pedal so that percussionists could multi task. Once that happened, they needed a name to differentiate the names of a bass drum played with your hands from a bass drum played with your feet. This also started a trend in manufacturing them differently. Bass drums used in orchestras and kick drums used with a pedal are completely different instruments.
riddleman65 9 months ago
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kipperfeast 9 months ago
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kipperfeast 9 months ago
@kipperfeast You knew what they meant when they said 'kick' though, right? What if your drum teacher called it a 'kick' throughout the whole time you were learning how to play drums, you might know a lot of about the drums and have self-respect but still call it a 'kick.' Maybe you just want to seem really smart and knowledgeable by criticizing other people's choice of language.
JLittleBass 8 months ago
@JLittleBass Yeah. Or maybe I just hate lazy slang that doesn't make sense...
kipperfeast 8 months ago
@kipperfeast I prefer to call it a kick in order to distinguish it from a bass guitar. And I'm a drummer, most guitarists and sound guys I've run across call it a bass. And it occasionally results in confusion.
LukeSnyderMusic 7 months ago
@kipperfeast Yep I hate 'kick' drum terminology too. Imagine a symphonic drummer calling it a 'whack' drum.
senseitre 7 months ago 2
@senseitre Good man. Finally, someone who understands the English language...
kipperfeast 7 months ago 2
@kipperfeast yeah actually you do kick your bass drum.
tomber14 6 months ago
@kipperfeast Take a second to climb down from your high horse there buddy - the bass drum was originally called a kick drum because when the drum kit was first created there was no such thing as a pedal, and so the drummers actually had to kick the thing. Any self respecting drummer who knows shit about drums would know that though... ;-)
drummerkingmike 6 months ago
@drummerkingmike No high horse here, just truth. I don't know where you get your "history", but it's a myth. The "bass drum" is a general name for all large drums with the lowest in pitch that have two heads. Before William Ludwig invented the bass drum pedal in 1909, it was played by hand in marching bands such as New Orleans-style jazz or in symphonies. It wasn't even used as part of the traditional "drum kit", which preceded the "trap kit" until after the "bass drum pedal" was invented.
kipperfeast 6 months ago
@kipperfeast That's all very nice but your missing a short period of time. Yes the bass drum was originally played by hand but there was a time where orchestras were low on money, so began fireing the leased important members of the band. Savvy snare drum players decided that they could make themselves more valuable by learning to play the bass drum with their feet while still playing snare, and so of course they stayed while the bass drum player got the snip. Before the pedal, they kicked it
drummerkingmike 6 months ago
@kipperfeast I'm not trying to start a pissing match, but I was reading through some of your comments, and needed to say, you sound like a moron! So, when you play rock, you "stomp" on your pedal? What? Why? When did you learn to swirl your sticks, and how often do you do it? Couple times in a song? Bet you think you reeeeeally cool, huh?
briandrum1 3 months ago
@kipperfeast **twirl**
briandrum1 3 months ago
@kipperfeast
In the studio the label kick is used to easily differentiate between bass guitar and bass drum... relax duders.
dsh0066 5 months ago
@kipperfeast Hahaha! Awesome. Please look up "double bass" on wikipedia or anywhere else. So how long have you been going around calling yourself a "double bass player". Does anyone appear confused when you sit down at the drums?
alhypo 3 months ago
@alhypo Yeah, I know what a "double bass" is. I'm talking about "double bass drums". Look that up on Wikipedia, moron, since you don't seem to know what they are...
kipperfeast 3 months ago
@kipperfeast "I'm so sick of hearing the bass drum being called a "kick"!" You were not refering to a double bass drum set up. What a bullshit artist.
Eatm308amA 2 months ago
@kipperfeast Oh, and yes, you can kick the drum. Early drummers did this when they were trying to cover multiple parts. I suspect Ludwig was inspired to invent the "kick pedal" to accommodate those innovative drummers.
My question is, why does any self-respecting drummer call the foot operated cymbals a "hi-hat"? You don't wear them on your head...
alhypo 3 months ago
@alhypo Well, Mr. Denial, Ludwig invented the "bass drum pedal". The hi-hat,which was shortened from "high-hat",came after the earlier double-cymbal set-up which was called a "low-hat" because initially the set-up was two smaller diameter cymbals that were operated with the foot and smashed together. They sat low to the ground and weren't played with sticks. I've no idea why the word "hat" is used in them, but that is their proper name.Now, please stop bothering me with your ignorance...
kipperfeast 3 months ago
@kipperfeast "Sock cymbals". Bet that eats at you too
Eatm308amA 2 months ago
@Eatm308amA "Sock cymbals"? Never heard of them. What are they and what retard made it up?
kipperfeast 2 months ago
@kipperfeast Originally in the "Big Band" era they were a set of small cymbals on a tiny foot driven stand. They eventually mounted them on a taller foot driven stand and became what are now called "Hi Hats" but were still called "Sock Cymbals" for the longest time.
Eatm308amA 2 months ago
@kipperfeast I think it was called double kick to differentiate it from the upright bass, which is called double bass most of the time.
NerfLad 2 months ago
@kipperfeast Actually It originally was called a kick drum because back in the day the pedal wasn't developed yet and you would actually kick it with your foot. That didn't last long though.
tenorsax120 2 months ago
@tenorsax120 Really? What day was that? I've never seen or heard of it being called a kick drum until the last 20 years or so, and it was because of sound engineers, etc. using it to distinguish it from the bass guitar...
kipperfeast 2 months ago
I know a million of the brown-double kick drummers!!! ROFLMAO!
bharath088 1 year ago
Too funny, certainally pro-trad as if double kick was a modern invention but completely ignoring great trad double-kick players such as Louie Bellson and Ed Shaghnessy.
nokie2 1 year ago
The jazz robot knows of what he speaks.
curiousnomad 1 year ago
Hahaha, this is hilarious!! I know so many drummers like this....
MONTYonthebatteria 1 year ago
Hey, Vinnie Colaiuta plays double kick on chick corea Five Peace Band so back off!
phil24haas 1 year ago
@phil24haas that must be why Brian Blade is in the band now....
tfdrums 1 year ago 37
@tfdrums haha true, Brian is pretty killer. nice video.
phil24haas 1 year ago
Tim, I'm in NY with Andrew Dickeson and we are working on our double kick playing. Man this video is just breaking us up bro! Keep swinging man!
gcjr
sonsoflegends 1 year ago
funny as shit
Froebs 1 year ago
LOL
robotfamilygchicken 1 year ago
Brown asks what you've been working on, and I immediately think "My time, swinging, listening." and those are the three things that come out of Green's mouth.
This is universal haha.
Adu3ntus 1 year ago
"I've even got a mullet like he does so the auditioners know i'm serious about playing jazz." LOL!!!
Jazzer457 1 year ago
...love it...cant stop watching it
Ronnybengt 1 year ago
This video is genius. So many tosser drummers out there like brown dude.
KennyxxBanya 1 year ago
I can't help but think of Louie Bellson.
TheAlexGraven 1 year ago
@TheAlexGraven Hah! That's the first thing I thought.
superjules 1 year ago
double kick at 200bpm.
greenfruitface 1 year ago
I must say I love all the great double bass drummers I hear..Chris Pennie for instance..hello! etc but this is pretty funny!! (Dave lost the mullet I believe and is a bad MF in his own right)....I think there are so many police floating around jazz, rock and otherwise that you have to always have your passport handy!
karllatham 1 year ago
Man, if only everyone in the band had the same attitude as the brown dude!
jpag57 1 year ago
keep 'em coming!
coralsand 1 year ago
@Zilabian yeah man. The brown guy is a bit of a nob
martinmedeski 1 year ago
The brown dude is my idol
blagg233 1 year ago
Funny!
scrillaproductions 1 year ago
This is great! Tfdrums knows what's up!
JasonMarsalis 1 year ago 8
@JasonMarsalis Thanks Man. Cool to know Jason Marsalis is check out my vids!! (That is if your "the" Jason Marsalis.)
tfdrums 1 year ago 2
@tfdrums It's me. This video is in some ways a different take on the Jazz Nerds rant that I did in Toronto, which is why I found this video hilarious. I have to make my own video like this eventually.
JasonMarsalis 1 year ago
@tfdrums He is....I saw him post it on his facebook wall a while back...
Moog167 1 year ago
I don't need the band, they just put me off! AHAHAHA...
bananafingerrrs 1 year ago 2
Freaking hilarious!
JerryOnDrums 1 year ago
absolutly brilliant
Playswithstix 1 year ago
Great!! Great !! Great !!
njdrumguy1 1 year ago
hilarious. well done.
dougbmusic 1 year ago
Brilliant
joejoebean100 1 year ago
Ah - It's the mullet, obviously. Get the gig every time. LOL
mrsticks28 1 year ago
hahaha this is one of the best jazz robot videos
beautifulxbluexeyes 1 year ago
"Why listen more? I play so loud I can hear myself fine!"
MasonE81 1 year ago 4
Double kick Jazz Mullet Madness . CLASSIC.
stillphil 1 year ago 8
great!
dave89891 1 year ago
i love this so much.
LedZeppelinisgod100 1 year ago
@LedZeppelinisgod100 Thanks mate... check out my other one "Two musicians in the set break." Another one coming soon!!
tfdrums 1 year ago
@tfdrums yeah i saw that one too. these are all "killin." hahah
LedZeppelinisgod100 1 year ago