No smoke from UFO's - combustion fuels are fossil methods, like we use - take this twice for meanings. This complicates the whole picture and links out top planners to take advice or orders from them. What were they really doing at the corner? How about the people inside looking out - any reports before the collapse and their demise?
FYI this footage dates from the year 2000, BEFORE 9/11. SyFy channel (formerly SciFi) presented it as an authentic viewer submission, with the following cover letter:
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
IMO the trail looks more like vapor than smoke.
I think it's real but I don't think the ET presumption is justified. Secret military craft is a simpler explanation. Same for all the WTC ufo's filmed on 9/11. For example
@naudetsleuth, OK - not sure of the date but it was put up there with all the 911 data. Secret aircraft? Anything that would accelerate that fast, we would be smeared on the inside like peanut butter. It's not ours or human.
Reportedly filmed July 24, 2000. First published at scifi com/happens (now defunct) in October 2000.
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
"Anything that would accelerate that fast, we would be smeared on the inside like peanut butter."
So no humans were inside it. But humans could still have been behind it. An unmanned military drone using classified technology, scoping out the scene of its future crime.
UFO's do not use propulsion system, to leave smoke trails. Well not that I am am an expert but they will run out of fuel for traveling so many light years away. I would thing they would use somewthing else like magnetic propulsion, Or mayube I am an UFO alien expert from the pleaides constellations.. yes,, that's it I am.
@ST3PRODUCTIONS That is a VAPOR TRAIL, not a smoke trail. When the UFO went supersonic (notice the lack of sonic boom) the air compressing behind the disc condensed all the moisture out of the air, leaving the characteristic linear cloud, or vapor trail.
Syfy has never said it was made for them. They said it was submitted by a viewer:
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
That viewer later changed her story. Since 2002 she has maintained that it was a paid acting job. But in 2000 and 2001 she said it was real. You can't just take her word for its alleged fakeness. Her word has changed.
Notice the vapor trail caused by the compression of the air (compression=heat, causes condensation) when the UFO goes supersonic. Notice the absence of sonic boom (indiciative of an electrically propelled craft). Experiments done by Northrop corporation in the 1960s.
Just as hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans on 8/29/2005. Katia became a tropical storm on 8/29/11. (2+9=11) Katia became a storm at 5:00 in the morning Katrina made landfall at about 5:00 in the morning. Katrina coincidentally struck New Orleans exactly 6 (another one of Satan’s numbers) years to the day that Katia became a tropical storm. They were both the 11th tropical storm formed in their respective years. Irene was the 9th.
It is much debated. I think it's real, partly because the woman in it who now calls it fake, changed her story (between Nov.2001 and Jun.2002). Also many WTC ufo's appear in 9/11 footage. Don't presume they are ET. I think they are U.S. military craft.
@naudetsleuth This is real, but it may have been a time-travelor, which explains its evasiveness. These buildings which had been among the largest Earth-human made structures ever built, were to dissapear within 13 months of this filming. May be an alien craft. The downing of the twin towers was a pivotoal moment in world history. UFOs are commonly sighted in NY state and in Manhattan, so much so residents take them for granted. Many filmings and videotapings of UFOs around the twin towers.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The simplest explanation is terrestrial but highly secret technology. Military black ops.
Agree many ufo films around those Towers. Dozens on 9/11 that I'm aware of. Search youtube for wtc ufo and you get several immediately. If you are talking about other dates please point us to those vids too.
@naudetsleuth The fact that extraterrestrial civilizations exist and are monitoring us Earthers is NOT an extraordinary claim. All scientists agree that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Yes it could be military/black craft, but what would black ops craft be doing over Manhattan next to the twin towers (that have been obliterated 13 months after this footage was taken)? Why does everyone need to be led to evidence? You know how to use a search-engine!
A dress rehearsal. Casing the joint. Surveying the scene in advance of their govt-planned commission of the attacks.
Governments murdering their own citizens has well-established historical precedent.s Space aliens visiting just to watch humans kill one another is pure speculation.
@naudetsleuth The black ops could do that on foot or in a rotary wing or fixed-wing conventional aircraft. Not an electrogravitics warp-driven craft which are traditionally flown over secure test ranges in the 4-corners areo of the southwestern United States. You are resorting to the thinnest of rationalizations.
Dozens of flying objects w/unusual properties are in S11 vids. Examples
tinyurl com/truckwhatzit
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair
webfairy org/newwhatzits
tinyurl com/flashframe
I think they were tools of a US military attack under propaganda cover of a suicide-pilots story. I find it plausible they would fly around WTC in 2000 to rehearse some aspects of the attacks.
Do you think they were ETs, just passively observing the spectacle of mass murder among humans?
@naudetsleuth ETs monitor all our manned and unmanned space missions, all our atomic tests in Nevada, New Mexico and H-bomb tests in the Pacific, Nuclear plants and Strategic bases at home and in Europe,Nuclear weapons storage areas, also major events in Earth History. When in Earth history have what were the largest buildings in the world at one time been totally obliterated in a single attack, along with 3000 lives?
Why? What do they care about us for? And where's your proof? You are speculating and opining. I am reasoning from the evidence in the vid here and the other vids that I cited. I am using Occam's razor. I never took ufo's seriously until 9/11. There's no need to presume they're ET as long as a plausible terrestrial explanation exists.
@naudetsleuth The fact that extraterrestrial civilizations exist and have ben monitoring us is not an extraordinary claim. These structures were obliterated 13 months after this was filmed. Yes, it could be black budget craft, but what would black budget craft be doing around the world trade center, and over a major city, instead of a secure deserted test range?
@Skahula3 Now, while gravity powered transportation is indeed an interesting concept when it comes to saving energy, it is not, actually, faster. And it does need a jump to start it off - So if UFOs were using gravity powered flight it is probable that they would need something to jump start their movement. This is something which is also a fact when it comes to bodies moving in space. Gravity is indeed a good help for transportation, but you need to start the movement up in some other way.
@HannaFriden Don't philosophize with your silly human intellect. Aliens could be millions of years more advanced and we have no way of comprehending what they could know.
@DOPEFRESHBRAH Silly you, that's exactly my POINT. No one can know how a UFO's engine works. Therefore I ask why so many people are saying that a UFO don't let out smoke -_- Did you miss that? I don't believe that we have aliens here on earth but I won't say that something isn't a UFO based on an opinion how their engines should work. Learn to read a little better, please. It's not such a big task to undertake ;)
@HannaFriden Many know how a "UFO engine" works. I have studied them all my life. Professor John Searl invented the Searl Effect Generator 65 years ago. 41 flying craft were built from 3 to 41 feet in diameter from 1954-1978 by the Searl organisations based in the U.K. Thomas Townsend Brown invented flying craft that use the Biefeld-Brown electrogravitiation al effect, and I have built model UFOs on this principle. What we can do, others, elsewhere in the universe also can do. swallowcommand
@DOPEFRESHBRAH hey bro UFO's have absolutely nothing to do with the UFO's we see today its all got to do with the german nazi scientists working at all your millitary bases go watch nazi ufo now!
@Skahula3 But I do agree that a really fast aircraft would need to use propulsion - This, however, cannot start off the flight either, it just separates the air before the craft to the craft can move faster since air won't be working against the craft. It does, however, have absolutely nothing to do with accelaration.
por que o objeto so solta a fumaça na curva? notem q a fumaça esta acima do mesmo quando faz a curva.E esse cinegravista tem mais agilidade q os ETS para fimar um objeto com tanta velocidade . ta muito programado isso ai...
as a rotor pilot, judging by the size and close distance of the craft, if that was actually real the vertices/ wave of the displacement of air would have severely rocked the helicopter or at leased spun it about 30 degrees to the right, but in this video the helicopter seems unaffected also, the filmer seems to conveniently turn the camera only 90 degrees, which most would have thought that ufo was traveling at and away from the chopper, but that trail looks to good to be fake. what a conundrum
How do u know that? & how do u know it's smoke? How do you know it's not vapor/condensation, from reaction between the air and the object's surface? It was an unusual situation: making a hairpin turn at hundreds of miles an hour. Few people have studied that. Maybe the unknown humidity and temperature were also factors.
you can tell this is fake becuase how would the ufo know the people was looking at it, as soon as she points at the ufo it flies off and think of the people in the building they would of saw it wouldnt they ? if this really did happen it would of been on the news it would of been proof that aliens excist but no this is fake
I live in Australia so I asked a few people about this clip years ago and I was told that it was part of a advertisement for lemonade or something.Has anyone ever seen that add in the US or was that BS.?
@naudetsleuth Yeah thanks,it seems fake to me,firstly the slow motion shows it coming very close,to close for the blades on the chopper and then the smoke trail shows it turned further away.I don't think an advanced flying machine would even leave smoke and if it's vapour it would dissipate quickly.Anyhow thanks for responding.
This colorized detail of a frame when the object is charging the 'copter, has remarkable subtlety of internal shading. As a professed cgi expert how do you explain that SyFy would pay to have such detail painted in to a single fleeting frame that probably no one reading here, a decade later, has ever seenbefore?
@naudetsleuth You can't cite Occam's Razor and then make up an explanation based on your imagination. If you said "Those are predator drones", OK I can't deny that, one shot does look like 2 jet fighters, and everyone knows predator drones exist and know what they look like. Fuzzy blobs are not evidence of anything more than that there are fuzzy blobs in the video. Something is there but theorizing that it's a helicopter, or light debris is rational, Orbs and laser dots aren't rational.
"Fuzzy blobs are not evidence of anything more than that"
Many are not fuzzy. All exhibit some other properties that your explanations don't account for. No matter how fuzzy a plane or helicopter of bag is, it doesn't JIGGLE like a raindrop on a window, or TOGGLE between dark black and bright white, or leave DROPLET TRAILS, or cast shadows onto the OPEN SKY, nor TOWARD the sun, nor WHITE shadows, etc.
@naudetsleuth Let me ask again. If these are real, and you claim you know it for a fact, what are the "laser projections" for and why are these "orbs" in the sky?
How old are you and what do you do for a living, what part of the world do you live in?
"what are the "laser projections" for and why are these "orbs" in the sky?"
1. Questions r not a 1-way street that only u get 2 ask. How do F16s collect & transmit sunrays?
2. U can't even handle the reality of the exotic things. (They're real not b/c I've READ of them but b/c they can be SEEN, RIGHT THERE IN THE VIDS.) So u sure couldn't handle my speculations on their purpose. IDUNNO what they're doing. Maybe this; maybe that; maybe they're side effects of deeper unseen tech.
@naudetsleuth 1. They reflect light. 2. Maybe they're side effects of blurry video taken of planes and helicopters and flying bags and papers? Occam's Razor: "is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions" You make a lot of assumptions. I saw planes and helicopters and papers and other light debris blowing around on 9/11. I've never seen an orb, I didn't see one that day, and they don't exist on any other videos.
"I saw planes and helicopters and papers and other light debris blowing around on 9/11."
No one is saying you didn't.
"I've never seen an orb, I didn't see one that day, and they don't exist on any other videos."
You haven't looked hard enough. Google orbwar and chemtrails for starters. What DON'T exist on any NON-9/11 vids are UNDISPUTED planes/copters/birds/bags WHICH look like the things in S11 vids that I've linked to.
Your answers are simpler than mine, but they're not EXPLANATIONS, b/c they don't stand up to inspection. Occam demands the simplest EXPLANATION. U keep flipflopping btwn whether these 2 things
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair2
are
(a) REFLECTING sunlight coming from behind the CAMERA,
or
(b) FOCUSING and transparently RELAYING sunlight streaming from behind the CLOUD.
& you've never even TRIED explaining the 2 synced flashing lights on the river surface.
"How old are you and what do you do for a living, what part of the world do you live in?"
I'm supposed to answer this, but you get to say I'm being too nosy about personal info just by asking YES OR NO did you ever actually even MEET the cgi artist(s) who YOU CLAIMED inserted the ufo into the SyFy vid?! Yep apparently you really do think questions are a one-way street that only you get to ask and only I have to answer.
@naudetsleuth you dope. Much like me deleting a post and saying I didn't, this whole thing was just a big joke put on by sci fi channel. Good GOD you are DUMB! They thought it would get people talking on their internet forums and drum up some publicity. Those blurry 9/11 tapes show f-16s, helicopters, and debris that came from the crash or the collapsed towers that day. Now shut the hell up and go see a shrink
"It's fake, no you got me it's real, no it's fake, i never said it's real, maybe the aliens deleted my post, no wait, yes i did delete my post, but i wasn't lying when i said i didn't." DUMB KOOK NEEDS SHRINK, good GOD.
Show ONE non-S11 vid of F16s looking like jiggling blobs that toggle btwn transparent and black and flashing bright white in sync with a flashing light on a river surface, and fly a mere 500 feet off ground through dense smoke and skyscrapers.
Try to keep up with your own fantasies. I wasn't talking about something that you had called a plastic bag. I was talking about these things that you had called F16s:
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair2
You SAY "I don't care anymore, I'm over it, I proved my point", but you KEEP COMING BACK to DUCK MORE QUESTIONS.
@naudetsleuth I was doing that TO ANNOY YOU. Yes, those are F-16 jets. If you look at the blown up video, you can see the wings poking out on either side, those fuzzy pixel are in fact wings, they aren't round. They move that fast and they fly in that exact configuration. I saw them flying that day. That's not emitted light, that's reflected sunlight!
This joke is PRECIOUS! F16s that DROP FROM ON HIGH, fly RIGHT INTO THICK SMOKE, just 500 FEET over DENSE POPULATION w/SKYSCRAPERS ALL AROUND, & reflect the sun FROM WITHIN that smoke, TOWARD a camera WHICH the smoke is BLOCKING the sun FROM! All you forgot to say is they're making sure no more airliners get launched from the street! Haha, I get it this time, you're being completely facetious!! Seriously now - you have no better explanation than mine, right?
@naudetsleuth Yes, that's exactly it. They aren't flyuing at 500 feet, more like 750-1000 feet. Why does reality present such a problem for you? Do you think smoke is going to hurt a jet fighter? A jet fighter than can easily fly 25 feet off the ground?
The explanations I've given are sound. You can see the wings in the video, you're just a scam artist.
They're BELOW the 577-ft WFC for comparison on exit. Thick smoke endangers pilot vision, esp important w/skyscrapers all around! And why fly there - to make sure no evil airliners were lurking on the street corners? Plus you're imagining wings, the shapes are jiggling BLOBS - which ARE INDEED EMITTING bright white light from their entire profiles (MUCH LIKE 2 SPOTS ON RIVER), from WITHIN the smoke cloud, AWAY from the sun which is BEHIND the smoke, YOU scam artist.
@naudetsleuth They are jiggling blobs because your video is crappy and pixelated. That's what happens to small details in low resolution video. I see, so it's OK for the military to fly "ORBS" around the city a few feet off the ground, but jets aren't allowed?
F16s have pilots. Orbs are unmanned for all I know. Now make up your mind, are they crappy pixelated artifact compressed low res unidentifiable things, or are they discernible as F16s? Show ONE NON-9/11 example that's comparable. But remember, KEEP ON DUCKIN' those bright white strobe emissions AWAY from the sun from WITHIN the thick smoke, SCAMMER.
@naudetsleuth It's very bright light from the sun it shows through the smoke. Smoke is not solid. and how do you know these things exist in the first place. You know this from what source?
"It's very bright light from the sun it shows through the smoke."
You had said it was REFLECTED sunlight, OFF the objects. Was that an error? And now you're saying it's DIRECT sun rays somehow shining not only through the cloud but also THROUGH THE OBJECTS? I mean obviously the blinking white light is along the same time and space path as the objects, right? You're saying holes in the clouds randomly opened right where the objects were, and moved in sync with them?
"how do you know these things exist in the first place"
I'm seeing them in the vids. I never took ufo's seriously until 9/11. Retroactive research indicates military flying saucer/UAV/drone work has history back to the Nazi regime. Yemen and Pakistan are current day examples of semi-secret attack drones. Angels and Easter bunnies are ruled out by Occam's Razor, they are completely imaginary concepts with nothing like the UAV documentability as far as I'm currently aware.
"Occam' rules out your theory as being too complex."
Your simpler explanations don't stand up to inspection. DOZENS of jiggling pulsing droplet-trailing laser-casting hyperfast orb shapes in MULTIPLE vids of the SAME event are UNPRECEDENTED. They are NOT normal stuff like planes/copters/birds/bags.
Alien explanations ARE too complex. I do reject those (pending more extraordinary evidence). That hasn't stopped you from putting the term in my mouth.
@naudetsleuth You're seeing objects so small in the video that are a couple of pixels in size. Making the leap to cloaking orbs is way beyond what can be allowed by Occam's Razor. I've looked at your links, and I've sent you link after link in reply, if you lack the ability to look into your email and find them, then you're simply not interested in anything but your fantasy. The most likely explanation, assuming you understand what Occam's Razor is, is that these things are what I said.
@naudetsleuth I already sent you a link to a video showing a blob, then when they zoom in, it's a helicopter, and another that is actually a plane. I keep sending you examples and you keep ignoring them so what the fuck man? I can't wait to hear the excuse.
I failed to notice it, sorry, please repost or say when it was. Reminder: the request is for NON-9/11 footage matching the effects I'm describing in the 9/11 shots. Your explanation of crappy/blurry/compressed/artifact/camera-anomalies should not be something that only occurs on one day.
"They are flying above the WFC, they fly behind it up the east river."
They come down WEST of the smoke cloud, on the CAMERA's side of it, then proceed into the thick dark middle of it, straight uptown it looks like to me. At any rate you have stopped saying their bright white blinking could possibly be sun reflections. You seem to concede the sun is BEHIND the whole scene.
@naudetsleuth Yeah just like I figured, no answers. So I'll ask again, where did you get the idea that these secret military orbs existed in the first place?
How do you know they aren't angels, or renegade tooth fairies?
@naudetsleuth youtu be e0d_KG7I6o8 Go to 1:56, you're right! it's an ORB.. Oh wait, they zoom in, clearly a plane. <- This is known by normal people as *SARCASM*, I know it's not an orb, but it's funny to say it is because it clearly isn't. OH WAIT!! Go to 2:15!! AN ORB!! Oh.. dammit, they zoom in AGAIN and that orb. It transforms into a HELICOPTER!!! (<-sarcasm not an orb) And look at all of those shots they get from over the burning WTC! It's from inside an ORB! HAHA (<-sarcasm)
"yt e0d_KG7I6o8. 1.56, an ORB! oh wait, zoom in, plane."
1. 1.57-58 does match exotic stretch/trail/smear effect of canaleorbpair & other of my clips, but FAILS at my rqst for NON-911 footage. Show these alleged camera/compression malfunctions looking like this on some OTHER day!
2. 2.00-02 is NOT THE SAME SHOT as 1.57-58! Smoke shapes different, smear no happen, & it's one stable compact shape that GETS FARTHER AWAY from the tower before the zoom-out makes it invisible.
another way to see that 1.57-58 and 2.00-02 are NOT THE SAME SHOT:
the relative positions of buildings are different.
at 1.57-58 the dark rectangular Millenium Hotel in front of the T2 (S. Tower) extends well to the left of T2. but at 2.00-02 its left edge is EVEN with the left edge of T2.
"yt e0d_KG7I6o8 2.15 ORB! oh dammit they zoom in and it transforms into a HELICOPTER"
This part not only fails my rqst for NON-911 footage matching the exotic effects in my clips, it fails to show ANY such effects. It's a helicopter all right, BUT NEVER LOOKED LIKE ANYTHING BUT AN UNRESOLVED HELICOPTER before the zoom-in. It doesn't strobe, it doesn't cast anomalous laser-dot "shadows", it doesn't throb/jiggle, it doesn't toggle btwn black & white, it doesn't even move at all.
@naudetsleuth You request is irrelevant. It doesn't matter where it comes from, the point is it shows a blurry dot and zooms in and you can see what it actually is. The plane sparkles and shimmers too. Non of your clips zoom in, you just blow up blurry video and you get blurry dots. What are the laser dots, who told you that there was such a thing as laser dots and what do they supposedly do?? How old are you and in what country do you live?
How convenient, 4 u 2 b able 2 ASSERT these flying things' odd properties are how planes/copters NORMALLY look, W/O EXAMPLES FROM ANY OTHER DAY.
Only on THAT day were cameras afflicted w/blur/crap/low-res/compression/artifacts/anomalies, eh?
Meanwhile u dishonestly accept WITHOUT ADMITTING your ERRORS - in saying the orb pair were REFLECTING sunlight; - in saying the smear flying from behind was the same clip as the plane flying form behind T1.
It does not STROBE BRIGHT WHITE from its ENTIRE PROFILE, it retains a persistent internal pattern of detail. NOR does its shape jiggle, its is a rigid constant fixed-wing craft flying in a smooth straight line. NOR does it strobe to PITCH-BLACK from its entire profile. NOR does it cast black or white laser/shadow-like images anywhere toward the sun. NOR do its wings flap like a bird. NOR does it cast a shadow onto the open sky. ET CETERA.
Here maybe you honestly missed one of my posts like I overlooked one of yours.
Shot from a Sony PD 150 just 7/10ths of a mile away, milliseconds before 1st Impact, what is this highly non-767-sized, non-767-shaped thing which looks like it's emitting a bright white plasma out of its nose?
"who told you that there was such a thing as laser dots"
Such a backward question! We don't need PERMISSION to LET OUR EYES DO THEIR JOB. The vids are DIRECT EVIDENCE that laser-LIKE projections, moving in sync LIKE shadows of the objects, but NOT in a direction explanable by the sun, and often even WHITE unlike real shadows, ARE PRESENT in NUMEROUS S11 vids. HOW EXACTLY, I dunno, but definitely by exotic physics. WHY EXACTLY, I dunno, but definitely they're up to no good.
@naudetsleuth By the way, they are flying much higher than 500 feet! That's the World financial center. The tallest one of the 3 is 645 ft high and 44 stories, those JETS are flying much higher than they are, and you don't seem to realize that military jets can fly a few dozen feet off the ground if they have to. ebaumsworld com video watch 1060338
>> Would that make you jealous? Has my penetrating interrogation gotten you hot?
> Yes, which [blah blah blah]
I suspected so but not sexually. I think u can't stand the heat of my questions - so u insult instead of answering them. The bug vid may well be cgi, & you may well have done it, but that in no way makes your HEARSAY about THE VID IN QUESTION useful. It doesn't stand up. My explanation fits the TOTALITY of CHECKABLE FACTS much better.
@naudetsleuth Those are opinions. They are description of your skewed perceptions of what a tiny little cluster of pixels are. That doesn't make them military tech, it could be your Dad blowing superman wearing a magical silver leotard/cloaking device.
Show comparable NON-911 "pixels". Only affects cameras 1 day? Many anomalies, like SF ufo. MORE facts u dont acct 4: B's rsponsibility 4 ltr in her name - STORY CHANGED; Stein = hearsay; Trekkie consistency btwn ltr, forum, B's ws; no pre-911 resume; SF poster DISSED SF, complained of stalking; "same campaign" bug vid came MUCH LATER & NOT from whoever did ufo; SF silent despite a decade since vid & fans wondering of WTC connection; YOUR LYING about not having a deleted post.
@naudetsleuth Dude, you really need to read what I write. Whatever I don't care anymore. I'm over it. I proved my point, you're obviously not a normal person with a life and common sense. You see phantoms in fuzzy, blurry and pixelated video, and you're just making up shit up to support your crazy fantasy. I was there that day, I saw fighter jets, news and police helicopters flying over the city. You ignore my links, and ask me crazy questions, so go f yourself nutty.
You wrote OK. I got you, you wrote. You wrote that it's real. I accept this admission. I accept that you couldn't keep up with all the holes that my questions were poking in your lie.
At first. Then when you couldn't keep up with all the loose ends that my questions were pointing out in your account, you admitted, 'OK you got me. It's all real." Now, you have reversed again, and furthermore you have now REMOVED that post which in which you admitted that I had got you and that it was real.
OK. I accept your admission. You admit you have been lying through your teeth. You admit you have no knowledge, direct or even hearsay, regarding the use of cgi in the SyFy ufo vid.
@naudetsleuth No, I just want you to stop posting to me. I worked on the same campaign through the visual FX studio I worked for back then. The creative director told me his plan for this video before it had been shot. He was laughing about how all of the UFO freaks were going to eat it up! HAHAHA! SUCKER! Again, you're a crazy person and the last thing I am going to do is give you names.
"creative dir. told me his plan for this vid b4 it was shot."
No he didn't. There, see how easy making unverifiable assertions is? So you've flipped again. It's fake, it's real, it's fake, you're over it, you don't care - KOOK! Why two studios a year apart for one campaign? Why tell u & let u tell us but not tell us themselves, not even now, with many ufologists STILL wondering about this vid? SyFy still thinks it's FUNNY to be fooling their FAN BASE about *WTC* stuff? YOU LIE.
@naudetsleuth This is Barbara's web page: mysteriousmysteries com
She lists Sci Fi Blimp as a JOB... You know the part where she says "Is that a Blimp?" before it darts from behind the WTC? Yeah that's why it was called that. You're an idiot.
She put that out AFTER 9/11. When people change their story we are justified to suspect the more intriguing version as being true. She has responsibility for her name being on the original cover letter
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
which:
says the incident was real,
& refers to her love life and her friends,
& ID's her with Star Trek fandom consistently with the later forum posts in her name AND consistently with what we all agree is her website.
"That's why it was called [Blimp]. You're an idiot."
Yeah everyone knows it would be impossible to take a natural statement from a real vid, & use it more than a year later as the fake title of a fake resume item, in order to discredit the vid's authenticity, by pretending the vid been scripted out. That would take a GENIUS to think up. Smarter than you or me or ANY humanly possible human EVER. Smarter even than Wile E. Coyote Super Genius. it would take a SUPER DUPER GENIUS.
@naudetsleuth OK I'll prove it. It's badly done CGI and it's blatantly obvious.
Sci Fi channel did this as a part of their sci fi happens campaign back in 2000, I did one of them, a video where these little beetles (all cgi) forming geometric patterns in a fake home video of a picnic. Yes, the 9/11 ones are fake too. I was there that day watching it from Pier A in Hoboken, there weren't any damned flying saucers, or anything else flying around.
@SoobahkE > badly done Do better. > part of their sci fi happens campaign Cover letter uses woman's real name & refers to her love life & friends. She defends vid in SyFy forum. > I did one of them, Who did the one in question? > the 9/11 ones are fake too Because you were there and didn't see any, and you see -everything-. WHY did the networks add ufo's to their footage?? Were you there at 8.46am to see this thing? tinyurl com/flashframe tinyurl com/flashframefoursome
@naudetsleuth OK pic a frame, post on image shack, post a link here. I'll download it, remove it and upload it to imageshack and post a link. The woman posting in the forums is a fake, the woman in this video is a paid actor. I don't remember the name of who did this video. Why is it that there is never a clear shot of these "UFOs"? They're always glints, blurry blobs, yet every phone has a pretty decent camera in them. I guess UFOs only show up to people with VHS camcorders from 1983.
Prove your skill without my help. Make a realer looking ufo vid.
Just because she's an actor doesn't mean she can't witness a ufo. Who ever heard of hiring UNKNOWN actors to play THEMSELVES? Even IF (as you claim) she got paid, to let SyFy make a fake letter, it was IN HER NAME. SHE has responsibility for that original story. She changed her story. We presume the more intriguing version true. SyFy doesn't deny the authenticity. How do you know the forum poster was an imposter?
You must have seen the posts- how else did you have knowledge to pronounce them fake?
tinyurl com/sicuranza
I can't prove that's her. But it is consistent with the original story, and vid, and the part of her site where she speaks of being a Trekkie.
The explanation best fitting all the facts is: genuine vid, which she passionately defended UNTIL 9/11, and then someone got to her, so she changed her story and created a resume listing to "prove" it was fake.
@naudetsleuth I told you, she is a paid actor who was hired by Sci Fi to play the role of the woman in the Helicopter. The whole thing is a promotional hoax by sci fi channel. They hired actors, chartered a helicopter, (which you can do on the West Side of NYC around 34th street for a couple hundred dollars- goolgle it!), shot the video, paid a studio to add the CGI UFO, released it on TV, and kept a fake screen name on their own website to make it look like an actual person.
SyFy doesn't say so. Did u meet who did it? Why'd she change her story after letting them use her real name? Who pays UNKNOWN actors to play THEMSELVES? Why involve her friends and love life in the lie, where the letter mentions them? Why give the PILOT lines, is he an actor too? Was her man Chris Stein onboard? Did u 1st see it b4, or after u were approached? Whom did you work with or for on the bug vid? Is your cgi better than the ufo in your opinion?
@naudetsleuth Of course they don't say so, it's all a hoax to get ratings! Do you know what a hoax is? Do you know what it means when someone pulls your leg, a prank, a put on, a con-job, a scam? It's all just a big joke! Look here! rense com general41 scihoax
But we're to believe they told YOU the ufo was fake? They told u, & they didn't demand secrecy from u, but they won't tell us themselves?
DID u meet SyFy's alleged ufo hoaxer(s)? WHY did B change her story? WHO hires UNKNOWN actors as THEMSELVES? WHY did she involve her friends and love life in a lie? WHY give the PILOT lines? WAS Chris Stein on the 'copter? WHEN did u 1st see the vid? WHOM can you name from SyFy regarding ANYTHING they've put out?
The Rense item is superficial. They don't press for substance. They show no awareness of the cover letter - nor the forum posts - nor how she only put the resume up after 9/11. They let her get away with the most curt answers, with NO fleshing it out. Also, they post her man Chris Stein's highly defensive and presumptive statement, which is actually TOTALLY USELESS b/c it is COMPLETE HEARSAY, he makes NO CLAIM to personal knowledge of the incident, it's all just 'Believe my wife.'
> kept a fake screen name on their own website to make it look like an actual person
The SyFy forum poster complained of unfair treatment by SyFy. You're saying that was SyFy putting egg on their own face? The SyFy forum poster complained of being harassed by phone. You're saying that was SyFy's idea of an innocent joke? The cover letter and the SyFy forum poster and Barbara S's website all indicate Star Trek fandom. You're saying that is sheer coincidence?
What was that studio's name? Did you meet any of their people? Was your work on the bug vid through a studio? Can you name anyone from SciFi whom you worked with or for on the bug vid?
Does Barbara substantiate her second version of the story with anything like a pay stub or a copy of the alleged contract, or a copy of the script, or the name of anyone at SciFi who allegedly hired her? NO she does not. How did they come to pick her? Audition?
@naudetsleuth I'm not telling a crazy person anything about my personal life. Yes, the bug vid was through the studio I worked for at the time. Those people quit Sci Fi channel a very long time ago, not much more than a year after these were produced. I don't know how they picked her, maybe she gives good blowjobs.
What studio did the vid IN QUESTION, & who told you? You don't know how they picked her, you don't name who picked her, you don't name who picked YOU, you don't name who allegedly cgi'd the ufo, you ADMIT it wasn't a studio YOU were in. Just what CAN you tell us that's EVEN THEORETICALLY VERIFIABLE of your claim that THE UFO VID was cgi? Heck it looks like your bug vid didn't come out until almost a year later - for the SAME promotional series, you say, yet from DIFFERENT studios?
Why should I help you maniacs out? You'll take it and post it all over the place saying it's real. I do 3D VFX for a living, I'm not going to waste my time making you a video, you want to pay me, sure, why not? You asked me to do something and I offered you the opportunity to pick what frame I remove the UFO from. Funny how you change your tune now. Yeah it's aliens... Ooooh they flew millions of miles to watch a plane hit a building. Nut.
Don't waste OUR time, maniac - SAYING you can JUST TELL it's fake, never saying HOW you can tell, except by professional expertise, BUT not SHOWING us how easy such "cgi" is for you to do (nor EVEN cleanly remove it from the whole vid - not just from one frame).
"Yeah it's aliens". Stop putting words in my mouth, maniac. I said nothing about aliens. That would require much more evidence. The proper presumption is that the WTC ufo's are "just" super high tech military craft.
@naudetsleuth WTF? I told you how, because my studio worked on the same campaign with the Sci Fi Channel creative director who did this video at another studio at the same time. We did 2 Sci Fi Happens vids, I'll repeat myself, one was a chupacambra sighting and the other were swarms of intelligent beetles making geometric patterns on the table and in the air at a picnic. Yes, I am an expert and the contrail looks fake as hell. F16's aren't UFOs. So where's this video?
Jael is hot.
TheLordHighXcutioner 1 week ago
Fucking joke.fake
34maiki 1 month ago
this is a commercial
sk8nboomer900 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Aliens in the WTC. Yeah, and little elves shot Kennedy.
FunkyGranny9 1 month ago
thats 13 months before 9/11..
gnackdetschn 1 month ago
@gnackdetschn Lol no one said it's about 9/11...
iArt1st 1 week ago
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I did not believe in this video, but now I see there are two orbs (scouts) at 00:38, one at the bottom of the wake and one at 01:00 p.m.
GUACARICA 1 month ago
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GUACARICA 1 month ago
Anybody who buys this shit has serious mental health problems
byGRiT 2 months ago
i love how fake it is
MrSaw7632 2 months ago
MOTHMAN!
bobthebagger01 2 months ago
it is not the damn ufo it is the jet that is about to crash into the twin tower and ur filming it wtf rnt u going to even help insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jeropk 2 months ago
No smoke from UFO's - combustion fuels are fossil methods, like we use - take this twice for meanings. This complicates the whole picture and links out top planners to take advice or orders from them. What were they really doing at the corner? How about the people inside looking out - any reports before the collapse and their demise?
BungalowBud 3 months ago
@BungalowBud
FYI this footage dates from the year 2000, BEFORE 9/11. SyFy channel (formerly SciFi) presented it as an authentic viewer submission, with the following cover letter:
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
IMO the trail looks more like vapor than smoke.
I think it's real but I don't think the ET presumption is justified. Secret military craft is a simpler explanation. Same for all the WTC ufo's filmed on 9/11. For example
tinyurl com/truckwhatzit
webfairy org/canale
naudetsleuth 2 months ago
@naudetsleuth, OK - not sure of the date but it was put up there with all the 911 data. Secret aircraft? Anything that would accelerate that fast, we would be smeared on the inside like peanut butter. It's not ours or human.
BungalowBud 2 months ago
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@BungalowBud
"not sure of the date"
Reportedly filmed July 24, 2000. First published at scifi com/happens (now defunct) in October 2000.
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
"Anything that would accelerate that fast, we would be smeared on the inside like peanut butter."
So no humans were inside it. But humans could still have been behind it. An unmanned military drone using classified technology, scoping out the scene of its future crime.
naudetsleuth 2 months ago
Fake and Gay
falloutbeast99 4 months ago
UFO's do not use propulsion system, to leave smoke trails. Well not that I am am an expert but they will run out of fuel for traveling so many light years away. I would thing they would use somewthing else like magnetic propulsion, Or mayube I am an UFO alien expert from the pleaides constellations.. yes,, that's it I am.
ST3PRODUCTIONS 4 months ago
@ST3PRODUCTIONS
Couldn't it be vapor rather than smoke?
Couldn't it be a terrestrial secret military craft instead of from light years away?
Many things like it were filmed on 9/11.
Examples
tinyurl com/truckwhatzit
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair2
webfairy org/canale
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
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@ST3PRODUCTIONS
Couldn't it be vapor rather than smoke?
Couldn't it be a terrestrial secret military craft instead of from light years away?
Many things like it were filmed on 9/11.
Examples
tinyurl com/truckwhatzit
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair2
webfairy org/canale
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
@ST3PRODUCTIONS That is a VAPOR TRAIL, not a smoke trail. When the UFO went supersonic (notice the lack of sonic boom) the air compressing behind the disc condensed all the moisture out of the air, leaving the characteristic linear cloud, or vapor trail.
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain no no no no one was taking a shit and flushed the toilet when his stupid friend took off..lucky they are in a magnectic feild.
Dorisequador 4 months ago
this video is fake. it was a promotional video made for scifi
IIkingdomII 4 months ago
@IIkingdomII
Syfy has never said it was made for them. They said it was submitted by a viewer:
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
That viewer later changed her story. Since 2002 she has maintained that it was a paid acting job. But in 2000 and 2001 she said it was real. You can't just take her word for its alleged fakeness. Her word has changed.
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
Maybe They were trying to warn us. Many UFOs there before 9/11
TheSonrisas2009 4 months ago
Fake but great... good work
exist2resistXXX 4 months ago
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@exist2resistXXX
"Fake but great... good work"
How do you know it isn't real?
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
Notice the vapor trail caused by the compression of the air (compression=heat, causes condensation) when the UFO goes supersonic. Notice the absence of sonic boom (indiciative of an electrically propelled craft). Experiments done by Northrop corporation in the 1960s.
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
You Kno Im Really Not Sure
FusiionMadness 4 months ago
Lol amazing.
Chaanee 4 months ago
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Next 9/11
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Ravenous11yt 4 months ago
Fake
arthur65535 4 months ago
did you write this brilliant piece of music yourself?? its incredible!
kober777 4 months ago
that looks really real .is it ?
abc1235222 5 months ago
@abc1235222
It is much debated. I think it's real, partly because the woman in it who now calls it fake, changed her story (between Nov.2001 and Jun.2002). Also many WTC ufo's appear in 9/11 footage. Don't presume they are ET. I think they are U.S. military craft.
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
@naudetsleuth This is real, but it may have been a time-travelor, which explains its evasiveness. These buildings which had been among the largest Earth-human made structures ever built, were to dissapear within 13 months of this filming. May be an alien craft. The downing of the twin towers was a pivotoal moment in world history. UFOs are commonly sighted in NY state and in Manhattan, so much so residents take them for granted. Many filmings and videotapings of UFOs around the twin towers.
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain
"may have been a time-travelor [or] alien craft"
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The simplest explanation is terrestrial but highly secret technology. Military black ops.
Agree many ufo films around those Towers. Dozens on 9/11 that I'm aware of. Search youtube for wtc ufo and you get several immediately. If you are talking about other dates please point us to those vids too.
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
@naudetsleuth The fact that extraterrestrial civilizations exist and are monitoring us Earthers is NOT an extraordinary claim. All scientists agree that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Yes it could be military/black craft, but what would black ops craft be doing over Manhattan next to the twin towers (that have been obliterated 13 months after this footage was taken)? Why does everyone need to be led to evidence? You know how to use a search-engine!
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain
"what would black ops craft be doing"
A dress rehearsal. Casing the joint. Surveying the scene in advance of their govt-planned commission of the attacks.
Governments murdering their own citizens has well-established historical precedent.s Space aliens visiting just to watch humans kill one another is pure speculation.
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
@naudetsleuth The black ops could do that on foot or in a rotary wing or fixed-wing conventional aircraft. Not an electrogravitics warp-driven craft which are traditionally flown over secure test ranges in the 4-corners areo of the southwestern United States. You are resorting to the thinnest of rationalizations.
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain
Dozens of flying objects w/unusual properties are in S11 vids. Examples
tinyurl com/truckwhatzit
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair
webfairy org/newwhatzits
tinyurl com/flashframe
I think they were tools of a US military attack under propaganda cover of a suicide-pilots story. I find it plausible they would fly around WTC in 2000 to rehearse some aspects of the attacks.
Do you think they were ETs, just passively observing the spectacle of mass murder among humans?
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
@naudetsleuth ETs monitor all our manned and unmanned space missions, all our atomic tests in Nevada, New Mexico and H-bomb tests in the Pacific, Nuclear plants and Strategic bases at home and in Europe,Nuclear weapons storage areas, also major events in Earth History. When in Earth history have what were the largest buildings in the world at one time been totally obliterated in a single attack, along with 3000 lives?
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
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@Beamshipcaptain
"ETs monitor all"
Why? What do they care about us for? And where's your proof? You are speculating and opining. I am reasoning from the evidence in the vid here and the other vids that I cited. I am using Occam's razor. I never took ufo's seriously until 9/11. There's no need to presume they're ET as long as a plausible terrestrial explanation exists.
naudetsleuth 4 months ago
@naudetsleuth The fact that extraterrestrial civilizations exist and have ben monitoring us is not an extraordinary claim. These structures were obliterated 13 months after this was filmed. Yes, it could be black budget craft, but what would black budget craft be doing around the world trade center, and over a major city, instead of a secure deserted test range?
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
Obviously computer animation.
950horsepower 5 months ago
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@950horsepower
"Obviously computer animation."
Prove it.
naudetsleuth 5 months ago
Just wondering, how come everybody knows UFOs DON'T let out smoke? Rode many, have you? :D
HannaFriden 5 months ago
@HannaFriden couse they use gravity or antimatter for propulsion..how the hell would they move so fast otherwise?
Skahula3 5 months ago
@Skahula3 Now, while gravity powered transportation is indeed an interesting concept when it comes to saving energy, it is not, actually, faster. And it does need a jump to start it off - So if UFOs were using gravity powered flight it is probable that they would need something to jump start their movement. This is something which is also a fact when it comes to bodies moving in space. Gravity is indeed a good help for transportation, but you need to start the movement up in some other way.
HannaFriden 5 months ago
@HannaFriden Don't philosophize with your silly human intellect. Aliens could be millions of years more advanced and we have no way of comprehending what they could know.
DOPEFRESHBRAH 5 months ago
@DOPEFRESHBRAH Silly you, that's exactly my POINT. No one can know how a UFO's engine works. Therefore I ask why so many people are saying that a UFO don't let out smoke -_- Did you miss that? I don't believe that we have aliens here on earth but I won't say that something isn't a UFO based on an opinion how their engines should work. Learn to read a little better, please. It's not such a big task to undertake ;)
HannaFriden 5 months ago
@HannaFriden I didn't bother looking past the first page of comments so you're right about that/ My intended response was for skahula.
DOPEFRESHBRAH 5 months ago
@HannaFriden Many know how a "UFO engine" works. I have studied them all my life. Professor John Searl invented the Searl Effect Generator 65 years ago. 41 flying craft were built from 3 to 41 feet in diameter from 1954-1978 by the Searl organisations based in the U.K. Thomas Townsend Brown invented flying craft that use the Biefeld-Brown electrogravitiation al effect, and I have built model UFOs on this principle. What we can do, others, elsewhere in the universe also can do. swallowcommand
Beamshipcaptain 4 months ago
@DOPEFRESHBRAH hey bro UFO's have absolutely nothing to do with the UFO's we see today its all got to do with the german nazi scientists working at all your millitary bases go watch nazi ufo now!
samueltromp 4 months ago
@samueltromp I'm guessing you're a retard. Thanks for providing me with an idiotic insight.
DOPEFRESHBRAH 4 months ago
@Skahula3 But I do agree that a really fast aircraft would need to use propulsion - This, however, cannot start off the flight either, it just separates the air before the craft to the craft can move faster since air won't be working against the craft. It does, however, have absolutely nothing to do with accelaration.
HannaFriden 5 months ago
por que o objeto so solta a fumaça na curva? notem q a fumaça esta acima do mesmo quando faz a curva.E esse cinegravista tem mais agilidade q os ETS para fimar um objeto com tanta velocidade . ta muito programado isso ai...
jeanmeira100 5 months ago
as a rotor pilot, judging by the size and close distance of the craft, if that was actually real the vertices/ wave of the displacement of air would have severely rocked the helicopter or at leased spun it about 30 degrees to the right, but in this video the helicopter seems unaffected also, the filmer seems to conveniently turn the camera only 90 degrees, which most would have thought that ufo was traveling at and away from the chopper, but that trail looks to good to be fake. what a conundrum
codzomz 5 months ago
i think were not alone...???
5431student 5 months ago
xDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxD
DEFFUXD 5 months ago
HOLY SHIT THEY FOUND ME
MrPieface001 5 months ago
speed mod haha
TheTiger0517 5 months ago
fake as fuck. flying saucers dont even give off smoke u idiots. i know its supposed to be funny but grow up ffs
1bloodmanchester619 5 months ago
@1bloodmanchester619
"flying saucers dont give off smoke"
How do u know that? & how do u know it's smoke? How do you know it's not vapor/condensation, from reaction between the air and the object's surface? It was an unusual situation: making a hairpin turn at hundreds of miles an hour. Few people have studied that. Maybe the unknown humidity and temperature were also factors.
"I know its supposed to be funny"
Not true, it was published in seriousness:
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
naudetsleuth 5 months ago
It's nice to see the Twin Towers........
ivystorm1 5 months ago
you can tell this is fake becuase how would the ufo know the people was looking at it, as soon as she points at the ufo it flies off and think of the people in the building they would of saw it wouldnt they ? if this really did happen it would of been on the news it would of been proof that aliens excist but no this is fake
ThisIsCoolWoW 5 months ago
I live in Australia so I asked a few people about this clip years ago and I was told that it was part of a advertisement for lemonade or something.Has anyone ever seen that add in the US or was that BS.?
2wheels88 6 months ago
@2wheels88
It originally appeared in the fall of 2000, in the following context:
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Yeah thanks,it seems fake to me,firstly the slow motion shows it coming very close,to close for the blades on the chopper and then the smoke trail shows it turned further away.I don't think an advanced flying machine would even leave smoke and if it's vapour it would dissipate quickly.Anyhow thanks for responding.
2wheels88 5 months ago
@2wheels88
"coming very close, too close for the blades on the chopper"
But fast enough to fly BETWEEN the blades, I think.
"I don't think an advanced flying machine would even leave smoke & if it's vapour it would dissipate quickly"
Confentional condensation trails from commercial aircraft last minutes, sometimes hours, depending on air conditions.
This thing is just one of many WTC ufo's caught on film. 9/11 footage is full of them. I think they are US military objects.
naudetsleuth 5 months ago
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@SoobahkE
This colorized detail of a frame when the object is charging the 'copter, has remarkable subtlety of internal shading. As a professed cgi expert how do you explain that SyFy would pay to have such detail painted in to a single fleeting frame that probably no one reading here, a decade later, has ever seenbefore?
tinyurl com/scifichannelufogreen
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@Exxc1ncT yea as real as a set of fake tits, with some shitty acting to boot. and you're the faggot faggoty faggot whole faggot hole
thSubliminalCriminal 6 months ago
ufo or not that was strange
JoeLasCola 6 months ago
@JoeLasCola
It is just one of many WTC ufo's caught on film. 9/11 footage is full of them.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
fakest gayest shit ever, next to perez hiltons morning deuce.
thSubliminalCriminal 6 months ago
how long exactly has this conversation been going on? lol
77jos10 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth You can't cite Occam's Razor and then make up an explanation based on your imagination. If you said "Those are predator drones", OK I can't deny that, one shot does look like 2 jet fighters, and everyone knows predator drones exist and know what they look like. Fuzzy blobs are not evidence of anything more than that there are fuzzy blobs in the video. Something is there but theorizing that it's a helicopter, or light debris is rational, Orbs and laser dots aren't rational.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"Fuzzy blobs are not evidence of anything more than that"
Many are not fuzzy. All exhibit some other properties that your explanations don't account for. No matter how fuzzy a plane or helicopter of bag is, it doesn't JIGGLE like a raindrop on a window, or TOGGLE between dark black and bright white, or leave DROPLET TRAILS, or cast shadows onto the OPEN SKY, nor TOWARD the sun, nor WHITE shadows, etc.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
nice :)
ttrreewwqq12 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Let me ask again. If these are real, and you claim you know it for a fact, what are the "laser projections" for and why are these "orbs" in the sky?
How old are you and what do you do for a living, what part of the world do you live in?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"what are the "laser projections" for and why are these "orbs" in the sky?"
1. Questions r not a 1-way street that only u get 2 ask. How do F16s collect & transmit sunrays?
2. U can't even handle the reality of the exotic things. (They're real not b/c I've READ of them but b/c they can be SEEN, RIGHT THERE IN THE VIDS.) So u sure couldn't handle my speculations on their purpose. IDUNNO what they're doing. Maybe this; maybe that; maybe they're side effects of deeper unseen tech.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth 1. They reflect light. 2. Maybe they're side effects of blurry video taken of planes and helicopters and flying bags and papers? Occam's Razor: "is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions" You make a lot of assumptions. I saw planes and helicopters and papers and other light debris blowing around on 9/11. I've never seen an orb, I didn't see one that day, and they don't exist on any other videos.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"I saw planes and helicopters and papers and other light debris blowing around on 9/11."
No one is saying you didn't.
"I've never seen an orb, I didn't see one that day, and they don't exist on any other videos."
You haven't looked hard enough. Google orbwar and chemtrails for starters. What DON'T exist on any NON-9/11 vids are UNDISPUTED planes/copters/birds/bags WHICH look like the things in S11 vids that I've linked to.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
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@SoobahkE
"They reflect light"
MAKE UP YOUR MIND, are the objects reflecting sun from behind the camera, or is the sun shining through them from behind the cloud?
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair2
(#2, larger view, shows pair of brightly strobing spots ON UPPER LEFT RIVER SURFACE which appear in sync with the strobing objects!)
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
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@SoobahkE
"They reflect light."
Your answers are simpler than mine, but they're not EXPLANATIONS, b/c they don't stand up to inspection. Occam demands the simplest EXPLANATION. U keep flipflopping btwn whether these 2 things
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair2
are
(a) REFLECTING sunlight coming from behind the CAMERA,
or
(b) FOCUSING and transparently RELAYING sunlight streaming from behind the CLOUD.
& you've never even TRIED explaining the 2 synced flashing lights on the river surface.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"How old are you and what do you do for a living, what part of the world do you live in?"
I'm supposed to answer this, but you get to say I'm being too nosy about personal info just by asking YES OR NO did you ever actually even MEET the cgi artist(s) who YOU CLAIMED inserted the ufo into the SyFy vid?! Yep apparently you really do think questions are a one-way street that only you get to ask and only I have to answer.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth you dope. Much like me deleting a post and saying I didn't, this whole thing was just a big joke put on by sci fi channel. Good GOD you are DUMB! They thought it would get people talking on their internet forums and drum up some publicity. Those blurry 9/11 tapes show f-16s, helicopters, and debris that came from the crash or the collapsed towers that day. Now shut the hell up and go see a shrink
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"It's fake, no you got me it's real, no it's fake, i never said it's real, maybe the aliens deleted my post, no wait, yes i did delete my post, but i wasn't lying when i said i didn't." DUMB KOOK NEEDS SHRINK, good GOD.
Show ONE non-S11 vid of F16s looking like jiggling blobs that toggle btwn transparent and black and flashing bright white in sync with a flashing light on a river surface, and fly a mere 500 feet off ground through dense smoke and skyscrapers.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth That was a plastic bag. The color changed because it was flying in and out of the shadows
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
Try to keep up with your own fantasies. I wasn't talking about something that you had called a plastic bag. I was talking about these things that you had called F16s:
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair
tinyurl com/canaleorbpair2
You SAY "I don't care anymore, I'm over it, I proved my point", but you KEEP COMING BACK to DUCK MORE QUESTIONS.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth I was doing that TO ANNOY YOU. Yes, those are F-16 jets. If you look at the blown up video, you can see the wings poking out on either side, those fuzzy pixel are in fact wings, they aren't round. They move that fast and they fly in that exact configuration. I saw them flying that day. That's not emitted light, that's reflected sunlight!
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"Yes, F-16 jets."
This joke is PRECIOUS! F16s that DROP FROM ON HIGH, fly RIGHT INTO THICK SMOKE, just 500 FEET over DENSE POPULATION w/SKYSCRAPERS ALL AROUND, & reflect the sun FROM WITHIN that smoke, TOWARD a camera WHICH the smoke is BLOCKING the sun FROM! All you forgot to say is they're making sure no more airliners get launched from the street! Haha, I get it this time, you're being completely facetious!! Seriously now - you have no better explanation than mine, right?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Yes, that's exactly it. They aren't flyuing at 500 feet, more like 750-1000 feet. Why does reality present such a problem for you? Do you think smoke is going to hurt a jet fighter? A jet fighter than can easily fly 25 feet off the ground?
The explanations I've given are sound. You can see the wings in the video, you're just a scam artist.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"750-1000 ft"
They're BELOW the 577-ft WFC for comparison on exit. Thick smoke endangers pilot vision, esp important w/skyscrapers all around! And why fly there - to make sure no evil airliners were lurking on the street corners? Plus you're imagining wings, the shapes are jiggling BLOBS - which ARE INDEED EMITTING bright white light from their entire profiles (MUCH LIKE 2 SPOTS ON RIVER), from WITHIN the smoke cloud, AWAY from the sun which is BEHIND the smoke, YOU scam artist.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth They are jiggling blobs because your video is crappy and pixelated. That's what happens to small details in low resolution video. I see, so it's OK for the military to fly "ORBS" around the city a few feet off the ground, but jets aren't allowed?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
F16s have pilots. Orbs are unmanned for all I know. Now make up your mind, are they crappy pixelated artifact compressed low res unidentifiable things, or are they discernible as F16s? Show ONE NON-9/11 example that's comparable. But remember, KEEP ON DUCKIN' those bright white strobe emissions AWAY from the sun from WITHIN the thick smoke, SCAMMER.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth It's very bright light from the sun it shows through the smoke. Smoke is not solid. and how do you know these things exist in the first place. You know this from what source?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"It's very bright light from the sun it shows through the smoke."
You had said it was REFLECTED sunlight, OFF the objects. Was that an error? And now you're saying it's DIRECT sun rays somehow shining not only through the cloud but also THROUGH THE OBJECTS? I mean obviously the blinking white light is along the same time and space path as the objects, right? You're saying holes in the clouds randomly opened right where the objects were, and moved in sync with them?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Answer the question: Where did you get this idea that these "super secret military orbs" exist in the first place?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"how do you know these things exist in the first place"
I'm seeing them in the vids. I never took ufo's seriously until 9/11. Retroactive research indicates military flying saucer/UAV/drone work has history back to the Nazi regime. Yemen and Pakistan are current day examples of semi-secret attack drones. Angels and Easter bunnies are ruled out by Occam's Razor, they are completely imaginary concepts with nothing like the UAV documentability as far as I'm currently aware.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Occam's Razor also rules out your theory as being too complex. So, what do these orbs do?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"Occam' rules out your theory as being too complex."
Your simpler explanations don't stand up to inspection. DOZENS of jiggling pulsing droplet-trailing laser-casting hyperfast orb shapes in MULTIPLE vids of the SAME event are UNPRECEDENTED. They are NOT normal stuff like planes/copters/birds/bags.
Alien explanations ARE too complex. I do reject those (pending more extraordinary evidence). That hasn't stopped you from putting the term in my mouth.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth You're seeing objects so small in the video that are a couple of pixels in size. Making the leap to cloaking orbs is way beyond what can be allowed by Occam's Razor. I've looked at your links, and I've sent you link after link in reply, if you lack the ability to look into your email and find them, then you're simply not interested in anything but your fantasy. The most likely explanation, assuming you understand what Occam's Razor is, is that these things are what I said.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth I already sent you a link to a video showing a blob, then when they zoom in, it's a helicopter, and another that is actually a plane. I keep sending you examples and you keep ignoring them so what the fuck man? I can't wait to hear the excuse.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"I already sent you a link"
I failed to notice it, sorry, please repost or say when it was. Reminder: the request is for NON-9/11 footage matching the effects I'm describing in the 9/11 shots. Your explanation of crappy/blurry/compressed/artifact/camera-anomalies should not be something that only occurs on one day.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth They are flying above the WFC, they fly behind it up the east river.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
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@SoobahkE
"They are flying above the WFC, they fly behind it up the east river."
They come down WEST of the smoke cloud, on the CAMERA's side of it, then proceed into the thick dark middle of it, straight uptown it looks like to me. At any rate you have stopped saying their bright white blinking could possibly be sun reflections. You seem to concede the sun is BEHIND the whole scene.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Yeah just like I figured, no answers. So I'll ask again, where did you get the idea that these secret military orbs existed in the first place?
How do you know they aren't angels, or renegade tooth fairies?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth youtu be e0d_KG7I6o8 Go to 1:56, you're right! it's an ORB.. Oh wait, they zoom in, clearly a plane. <- This is known by normal people as *SARCASM*, I know it's not an orb, but it's funny to say it is because it clearly isn't. OH WAIT!! Go to 2:15!! AN ORB!! Oh.. dammit, they zoom in AGAIN and that orb. It transforms into a HELICOPTER!!! (<-sarcasm not an orb) And look at all of those shots they get from over the burning WTC! It's from inside an ORB! HAHA (<-sarcasm)
SoobahkE 6 months ago
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@SoobahkE
"yt e0d_KG7I6o8. 1.56, an ORB! oh wait, zoom in, plane."
1. 1.57-58 does match exotic stretch/trail/smear effect of canaleorbpair & other of my clips, but FAILS at my rqst for NON-911 footage. Show these alleged camera/compression malfunctions looking like this on some OTHER day!
2. 2.00-02 is NOT THE SAME SHOT as 1.57-58! Smoke shapes different, smear no happen, & it's one stable compact shape that GETS FARTHER AWAY from the tower before the zoom-out makes it invisible.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
ps re
youtube com/watch?v=e0d_KG7I6o8
another way to see that 1.57-58 and 2.00-02 are NOT THE SAME SHOT:
the relative positions of buildings are different.
at 1.57-58 the dark rectangular Millenium Hotel in front of the T2 (S. Tower) extends well to the left of T2. but at 2.00-02 its left edge is EVEN with the left edge of T2.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"yt e0d_KG7I6o8 2.15 ORB! oh dammit they zoom in and it transforms into a HELICOPTER"
This part not only fails my rqst for NON-911 footage matching the exotic effects in my clips, it fails to show ANY such effects. It's a helicopter all right, BUT NEVER LOOKED LIKE ANYTHING BUT AN UNRESOLVED HELICOPTER before the zoom-in. It doesn't strobe, it doesn't cast anomalous laser-dot "shadows", it doesn't throb/jiggle, it doesn't toggle btwn black & white, it doesn't even move at all.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth You request is irrelevant. It doesn't matter where it comes from, the point is it shows a blurry dot and zooms in and you can see what it actually is. The plane sparkles and shimmers too. Non of your clips zoom in, you just blow up blurry video and you get blurry dots. What are the laser dots, who told you that there was such a thing as laser dots and what do they supposedly do?? How old are you and in what country do you live?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"rqst is irrelevant"
How convenient, 4 u 2 b able 2 ASSERT these flying things' odd properties are how planes/copters NORMALLY look, W/O EXAMPLES FROM ANY OTHER DAY.
Only on THAT day were cameras afflicted w/blur/crap/low-res/compression/artifacts/anomalies, eh?
Meanwhile u dishonestly accept WITHOUT ADMITTING your ERRORS - in saying the orb pair were REFLECTING sunlight; - in saying the smear flying from behind was the same clip as the plane flying form behind T1.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"The plane sparkles and shimmers too"
It does not STROBE BRIGHT WHITE from its ENTIRE PROFILE, it retains a persistent internal pattern of detail. NOR does its shape jiggle, its is a rigid constant fixed-wing craft flying in a smooth straight line. NOR does it strobe to PITCH-BLACK from its entire profile. NOR does it cast black or white laser/shadow-like images anywhere toward the sun. NOR do its wings flap like a bird. NOR does it cast a shadow onto the open sky. ET CETERA.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"Non of your clips zoom in"
Here maybe you honestly missed one of my posts like I overlooked one of yours.
Shot from a Sony PD 150 just 7/10ths of a mile away, milliseconds before 1st Impact, what is this highly non-767-sized, non-767-shaped thing which looks like it's emitting a bright white plasma out of its nose?
tinyurl com/flashframe
tinyurl com/flashframefoursome
tinyurl com/missilegatevideo
Or if you want more like just 200 ft away
tinyurl com/blackbirdblackops
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"who told you that there was such a thing as laser dots"
Such a backward question! We don't need PERMISSION to LET OUR EYES DO THEIR JOB. The vids are DIRECT EVIDENCE that laser-LIKE projections, moving in sync LIKE shadows of the objects, but NOT in a direction explanable by the sun, and often even WHITE unlike real shadows, ARE PRESENT in NUMEROUS S11 vids. HOW EXACTLY, I dunno, but definitely by exotic physics. WHY EXACTLY, I dunno, but definitely they're up to no good.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"How old are you and in what country do you live?"
Quit trying to make this be about ME. It's about THE EVIDENCE IN THE VIDS. I just happen to be experienced at pointing it out.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth By the way, they are flying much higher than 500 feet! That's the World financial center. The tallest one of the 3 is 645 ft high and 44 stories, those JETS are flying much higher than they are, and you don't seem to realize that military jets can fly a few dozen feet off the ground if they have to. ebaumsworld com video watch 1060338
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth I didn't remove any posts. Was it the aliens?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"I didn't remove any posts."
The one where you said "OK you got me. It's all real" has been removed, agreed?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth I never said that and I didn't remove any posts.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"Comment removed
SoobahkE 1 hour ago"
"OK you got me," it began, which I directly quoted in reply.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Do you have a girlfriend?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"Do you have a girlfriend?"
Would that make you jealous? Has my penetrating interrogation gotten you hot?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Yes, which makes this the most action you've ever gotten from something that breathes.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
>>> Do you have a girlfriend?
>> Would that make you jealous? Has my penetrating interrogation gotten you hot?
> Yes, which [blah blah blah]
I suspected so but not sexually. I think u can't stand the heat of my questions - so u insult instead of answering them. The bug vid may well be cgi, & you may well have done it, but that in no way makes your HEARSAY about THE VID IN QUESTION useful. It doesn't stand up. My explanation fits the TOTALITY of CHECKABLE FACTS much better.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Those are opinions. They are description of your skewed perceptions of what a tiny little cluster of pixels are. That doesn't make them military tech, it could be your Dad blowing superman wearing a magical silver leotard/cloaking device.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
Show comparable NON-911 "pixels". Only affects cameras 1 day? Many anomalies, like SF ufo. MORE facts u dont acct 4: B's rsponsibility 4 ltr in her name - STORY CHANGED; Stein = hearsay; Trekkie consistency btwn ltr, forum, B's ws; no pre-911 resume; SF poster DISSED SF, complained of stalking; "same campaign" bug vid came MUCH LATER & NOT from whoever did ufo; SF silent despite a decade since vid & fans wondering of WTC connection; YOUR LYING about not having a deleted post.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Dude, you really need to read what I write. Whatever I don't care anymore. I'm over it. I proved my point, you're obviously not a normal person with a life and common sense. You see phantoms in fuzzy, blurry and pixelated video, and you're just making up shit up to support your crazy fantasy. I was there that day, I saw fighter jets, news and police helicopters flying over the city. You ignore my links, and ask me crazy questions, so go f yourself nutty.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"read what I write."
You wrote OK. I got you, you wrote. You wrote that it's real. I accept this admission. I accept that you couldn't keep up with all the holes that my questions were poking in your lie.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth No I didn't, what are you talking about????? God, you are crazier than a sack full of wet cats! I said it's FAKE!
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"I said it's FAKE!"
At first. Then when you couldn't keep up with all the loose ends that my questions were pointing out in your account, you admitted, 'OK you got me. It's all real." Now, you have reversed again, and furthermore you have now REMOVED that post which in which you admitted that I had got you and that it was real.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
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SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"OK you got me."
OK. I accept your admission. You admit you have been lying through your teeth. You admit you have no knowledge, direct or even hearsay, regarding the use of cgi in the SyFy ufo vid.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth No, I just want you to stop posting to me. I worked on the same campaign through the visual FX studio I worked for back then. The creative director told me his plan for this video before it had been shot. He was laughing about how all of the UFO freaks were going to eat it up! HAHAHA! SUCKER! Again, you're a crazy person and the last thing I am going to do is give you names.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"creative dir. told me his plan for this vid b4 it was shot."
No he didn't. There, see how easy making unverifiable assertions is? So you've flipped again. It's fake, it's real, it's fake, you're over it, you don't care - KOOK! Why two studios a year apart for one campaign? Why tell u & let u tell us but not tell us themselves, not even now, with many ufologists STILL wondering about this vid? SyFy still thinks it's FUNNY to be fooling their FAN BASE about *WTC* stuff? YOU LIE.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth This is Barbara's web page: mysteriousmysteries com
She lists Sci Fi Blimp as a JOB... You know the part where she says "Is that a Blimp?" before it darts from behind the WTC? Yeah that's why it was called that. You're an idiot.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"She lists Sci Fi Blimp as a JOB"
She put that out AFTER 9/11. When people change their story we are justified to suspect the more intriguing version as being true. She has responsibility for her name being on the original cover letter
tinyurl com/sfcufoletter
which:
says the incident was real,
& refers to her love life and her friends,
& ID's her with Star Trek fandom consistently with the later forum posts in her name AND consistently with what we all agree is her website.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"That's why it was called [Blimp]. You're an idiot."
Yeah everyone knows it would be impossible to take a natural statement from a real vid, & use it more than a year later as the fake title of a fake resume item, in order to discredit the vid's authenticity, by pretending the vid been scripted out. That would take a GENIUS to think up. Smarter than you or me or ANY humanly possible human EVER. Smarter even than Wile E. Coyote Super Genius. it would take a SUPER DUPER GENIUS.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth w w w web archive org web 20050303001729 h t t p :w w w scifi com happens bugletter html
Ha! Found a cached page of the bug video, from the old Sci Fi board. The video looks like it's gone though. Suck it!
SoobahkE 6 months ago
ITS IRON MAN!
JohnnyDeSimone93 6 months ago
its a strange smoking ufo
ziopappagone 6 months ago
LETS PLAY"find the faggot: kfghfytdric76truyrcitciyurciuyrviyurukjustinbiebergy yrcouiyroiutiyrviytdiytedytdiytdfouyrfvouiltv7yrfoiutpiuvtyuytotvouytoitviolpoim
................................found it? thumbs up if ya did
OMGkennykilledme 6 months ago
thats the first ufo i have ever seen that leaves a con trail and actually has some sound to its movement.
XxMoBsTaRxX 6 months ago
Fake.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
> Fake.
Prove it.
Are all the other WTC ufo's fake too? The ones filmed on 9/11?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth OK I'll prove it. It's badly done CGI and it's blatantly obvious.
Sci Fi channel did this as a part of their sci fi happens campaign back in 2000, I did one of them, a video where these little beetles (all cgi) forming geometric patterns in a fake home video of a picnic. Yes, the 9/11 ones are fake too. I was there that day watching it from Pier A in Hoboken, there weren't any damned flying saucers, or anything else flying around.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth OK pic a frame, post on image shack, post a link here. I'll download it, remove it and upload it to imageshack and post a link. The woman posting in the forums is a fake, the woman in this video is a paid actor. I don't remember the name of who did this video. Why is it that there is never a clear shot of these "UFOs"? They're always glints, blurry blobs, yet every phone has a pretty decent camera in them. I guess UFOs only show up to people with VHS camcorders from 1983.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
Prove your skill without my help. Make a realer looking ufo vid.
Just because she's an actor doesn't mean she can't witness a ufo. Who ever heard of hiring UNKNOWN actors to play THEMSELVES? Even IF (as you claim) she got paid, to let SyFy make a fake letter, it was IN HER NAME. SHE has responsibility for that original story. She changed her story. We presume the more intriguing version true. SyFy doesn't deny the authenticity. How do you know the forum poster was an imposter?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth I have yet to see a link of what you're talking about. How do we know it's her, and not YOU playing the role?
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
You must have seen the posts- how else did you have knowledge to pronounce them fake?
tinyurl com/sicuranza
I can't prove that's her. But it is consistent with the original story, and vid, and the part of her site where she speaks of being a Trekkie.
The explanation best fitting all the facts is: genuine vid, which she passionately defended UNTIL 9/11, and then someone got to her, so she changed her story and created a resume listing to "prove" it was fake.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth I told you, she is a paid actor who was hired by Sci Fi to play the role of the woman in the Helicopter. The whole thing is a promotional hoax by sci fi channel. They hired actors, chartered a helicopter, (which you can do on the West Side of NYC around 34th street for a couple hundred dollars- goolgle it!), shot the video, paid a studio to add the CGI UFO, released it on TV, and kept a fake screen name on their own website to make it look like an actual person.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"she is a paid actor"
SyFy doesn't say so. Did u meet who did it? Why'd she change her story after letting them use her real name? Who pays UNKNOWN actors to play THEMSELVES? Why involve her friends and love life in the lie, where the letter mentions them? Why give the PILOT lines, is he an actor too? Was her man Chris Stein onboard? Did u 1st see it b4, or after u were approached? Whom did you work with or for on the bug vid? Is your cgi better than the ufo in your opinion?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth Of course they don't say so, it's all a hoax to get ratings! Do you know what a hoax is? Do you know what it means when someone pulls your leg, a prank, a put on, a con-job, a scam? It's all just a big joke! Look here! rense com general41 scihoax
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"Of course they don't say so"
But we're to believe they told YOU the ufo was fake? They told u, & they didn't demand secrecy from u, but they won't tell us themselves?
DID u meet SyFy's alleged ufo hoaxer(s)? WHY did B change her story? WHO hires UNKNOWN actors as THEMSELVES? WHY did she involve her friends and love life in a lie? WHY give the PILOT lines? WAS Chris Stein on the 'copter? WHEN did u 1st see the vid? WHOM can you name from SyFy regarding ANYTHING they've put out?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
The Rense item is superficial. They don't press for substance. They show no awareness of the cover letter - nor the forum posts - nor how she only put the resume up after 9/11. They let her get away with the most curt answers, with NO fleshing it out. Also, they post her man Chris Stein's highly defensive and presumptive statement, which is actually TOTALLY USELESS b/c it is COMPLETE HEARSAY, he makes NO CLAIM to personal knowledge of the incident, it's all just 'Believe my wife.'
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth alcione org VIDEONY1 videony1en
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
alcione is Franz's site, he couldn't answer my questions just like you can't, so he left weeks ago.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
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@SoobahkE
> kept a fake screen name on their own website to make it look like an actual person
The SyFy forum poster complained of unfair treatment by SyFy. You're saying that was SyFy putting egg on their own face? The SyFy forum poster complained of being harassed by phone. You're saying that was SyFy's idea of an innocent joke? The cover letter and the SyFy forum poster and Barbara S's website all indicate Star Trek fandom. You're saying that is sheer coincidence?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"paid studio to add CGI"
Per u it sucked - b/c only F16s leave trails? But it has remarkable SUBTLETIES for a hoax:
We see it b4 she does - btwn Towers as she faces us.
In ONE frame, its rear end scrunches up like a caterpillar, in a "false start" as it "decides" the best instant to dart from the Tower.
It JIGGLES when it is in the distance.
In ONE frame it has extreme variation of internal shading:
tinyurl com/scifichannelufogreen
It FLAPS LIKE A BIRD on its exit.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
"paid a studio to add the CGI UFO"
What was that studio's name? Did you meet any of their people? Was your work on the bug vid through a studio? Can you name anyone from SciFi whom you worked with or for on the bug vid?
Does Barbara substantiate her second version of the story with anything like a pay stub or a copy of the alleged contract, or a copy of the script, or the name of anyone at SciFi who allegedly hired her? NO she does not. How did they come to pick her? Audition?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth I'm not telling a crazy person anything about my personal life. Yes, the bug vid was through the studio I worked for at the time. Those people quit Sci Fi channel a very long time ago, not much more than a year after these were produced. I don't know how they picked her, maybe she gives good blowjobs.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
What studio did the vid IN QUESTION, & who told you? You don't know how they picked her, you don't name who picked her, you don't name who picked YOU, you don't name who allegedly cgi'd the ufo, you ADMIT it wasn't a studio YOU were in. Just what CAN you tell us that's EVEN THEORETICALLY VERIFIABLE of your claim that THE UFO VID was cgi? Heck it looks like your bug vid didn't come out until almost a year later - for the SAME promotional series, you say, yet from DIFFERENT studios?
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
Why should I help you maniacs out? You'll take it and post it all over the place saying it's real. I do 3D VFX for a living, I'm not going to waste my time making you a video, you want to pay me, sure, why not? You asked me to do something and I offered you the opportunity to pick what frame I remove the UFO from. Funny how you change your tune now. Yeah it's aliens... Ooooh they flew millions of miles to watch a plane hit a building. Nut.
SoobahkE 6 months ago
@SoobahkE
Don't waste OUR time, maniac - SAYING you can JUST TELL it's fake, never saying HOW you can tell, except by professional expertise, BUT not SHOWING us how easy such "cgi" is for you to do (nor EVEN cleanly remove it from the whole vid - not just from one frame).
"Yeah it's aliens". Stop putting words in my mouth, maniac. I said nothing about aliens. That would require much more evidence. The proper presumption is that the WTC ufo's are "just" super high tech military craft.
naudetsleuth 6 months ago
@naudetsleuth WTF? I told you how, because my studio worked on the same campaign with the Sci Fi Channel creative director who did this video at another studio at the same time. We did 2 Sci Fi Happens vids, I'll repeat myself, one was a chupacambra sighting and the other were swarms of intelligent beetles making geometric patterns on the table and in the air at a picnic. Yes, I am an expert and the contrail looks fake as hell. F16's aren't UFOs. So where's this video?
SoobahkE 6 months ago