God had to hide the fact that he made us and then he would drop in and tell us we were his children? Then send himself/his son to explain it to some folks before he/jesus was killed/not killed ? Fooling us with billion+ year old stars was a good one on his part. Too bad he doesn't drop by for visits/genocides any more. We could just ask him ourselves. Or maybe it's better if he just watches from a distance and does nothing.
The reason Xians deny Evolution is bxuz it disproves the Adam & Eve story, which was a product of man, just as the Abrahamic religion was.
It's unfortunate that u feel the need to believe in something u cannot demonstrate, even though god supposedly walked and talked with man.
At least you understand that Evolution is factual, although it doesn't indicate a god used Evolution to hide his existence. So is god devious? Does he feel he must deceive man?
@Cootabux Evolution only 'disproves' the Adam and Eve story if you take Genesis in a strictly literalistic sense, which I do not. There is no intellectual or religious obligation to do so. And the existence of God must be left open to doubt if human beings are to remain free agents, as I explain in the second half of this video.
....of watch I haven't seen yet, but hope I'll have time to watch it.
As far as what you've said so far here, I don't really disagree. As far as your video title goes tho, it's just an opinion. Many people don't actually know what atheism means. As an atheist, my personal definition means that I (we) don't accept the theist god claims, as they cannot substantiate those claims in the least! We see no evidence or reason to believe in superstitious claims of any deities.
It sounds as tho u r generally taking a Deist position, & I have always said that I have no problem with that as I can see it as a possibility, if we had evidence for it, & we don't, do date.
It's the Abrahamic god claim which I have studied & have a strong evidence based belief that they are all man made. Yahweh is a perfect example. But as far as a universal creative force...it's possible, & there's no reason why it can't be a purely natural force. So far, that's what we find.
Very interesting. How is it that you are aware of what God plans? If you get this information from the Bible, how do you jibe that with the fact that there have been those who have used the bible to justify murder, rape and torture? How is your belief any more logical than the Inuit who believe that Raven skewered the earth in place as it rose from the waters? Which is correct? No, religion has little to offer me that science does not answer with more eloquence and inspiration.
@theUKatheist That one again! I heard the sound of creaking as you trundled it out. The answer's NO by the way. But I don't suppose that you'll allow facts to get in the way of your abuse.
@atticana abuse? your the abusive atheist hating, racist ass hole. i simply mentioned it seemed like you lived in your mothers attic. the dislikes on your videos show how retarded your views are & how absolutely ridiculous you are. people hate at you because they have reason, you are a horrible , ignorant ass hole.
you sir do not back up anything you say with actual evidence, your ideas are outrageous and very wrong. you are a delusional racist bitog and im ashamed that you live in my country.
@theUKatheist This is a serious request. Please could you PM me with the SPECIFIC evidence you have for your claim that I am a racist. That's a serious accusation to make against someone nowadays. So if I am to stand accused of being a racist then I want you to present your evidence against me. In OUR country it is 'guilty until proven innocent', remember? PS I'm logging off now, so I won't be replying tonight.
are you fucking kidding me? it was utterly disgusting and racist. you should be ashamed of yourself. im ashamed of you coming from England and coming out with that shit.
Unfortunately, you seem firmly rooted to the core unfounded assumption that all religious apologists share... that there MUST be a divine power. You seem incapable of accepting that the wonder of the universe does not support such an assumption. Your incredulity is not evidence.
Wanting a thing to be so, does not make it so.
Perhaps one day you will find the courage to replace "god" with "I don't know."
Then you may discover a whole new universe of wonder.
So, what if it turns out there IS life on other planets? What excuse will you cook up then? How will you defend your clearly earth centered religion? How will you bend and twist the words in you holy book so that it fits the new situation?
@RationalAtheism My dear fellow, if you can stomach watching another one of my videos, then may I politely suggest that you watch my video entitled: 'Why atheists fear UFO's'. This will hopefully clarify my thoughts pertaining to what you say in your comment.
@atticana That was a very clear answer to my question. Just a few comments:
- The existence of alien life and christianity/judaism/islam are NOT compatible.
- Why does life on other planets suggest a higher power at work?
This video shows the core problem of religious people: you jump at the first sign of something of something supernatural, without looking for any real evidence. What you call "mysterious possibilities", I call fantasies.
@RationalAtheism The mathematical chances of intelligent life evolving on any planet are so incredibly remote that for it to have done so on many planets would be indicative of a providential design. Then again, having said that, if our planet is the only one where intelligent life has indeed evolved then this uniqueness could also be taken as evidence of a divine plan. It seems to me that theism wins the argument both ways!
the mathematical chances of your registration plate having the exact numbers it does now is so mathematically low that there must be a divine plan. Honestly, if it hadnt been for the meteor that killed the dinosaurs we wouldnt have existed and wed probably be seeing completely unrecognizable life on the planet. If somehow those creatures could talk and think abstractly like us, theyd probably be saying the same thing as you.
@SecularNumanist I don't drive so I don't have a registration plate, which may all be providential. As I think may well have been the meteorite which killed off the dinosaurs. And if some other species had inherited the earth instead of homo sapiens then I only hope that they would have treated this planet and the creatures that live on it with a lot more respect than our species has done.
@SecularNumanist I realise that some people, including probably yourself, think of me as a smug, complacent theist. So can I point out that my biggest difficulty, religion-wise, is that I don't much like my own species, homo sapiens, which is a big problem if you believe that man is made in the image of God. When I see the pain and suffering that we inflict on our fellow-creatures I am troubled to the core.
@atticana Interesting comment, coming from a theist! Personally, I do like Homo sapiens, but am continually dismayed by the things which some of them (us) do to each other, our animal and plant 'cousins' and the planet upon which we all depend. We have the potential for greatness, I just wish it was more widespread...
@atticana Why do you refuse to be skeptical? Why must everything that sounds nice be true? Is it to much work to try to find out if things are REALLY true? Do you think "trying to get to the bottom of things" is a bad thing? There is a difference between not believing in something and trying to find out is something is or isn't true. And that has nothing to do with "a sense of intellectual superiority".
Let me ask you this: do you 'believe' in evolution? And why (not)?
@RationalAtheism I refuse to be sceptical because I have an open mind and skeptics are people who mistake a closed mind for a rational mind. And I believe in the UNFOLDING of the divine purpose, which is described in some quarters as evolution. I only have a problem with evolution when it is used for the purposes of atheist propaganda.
@atticana (sorry for the amount of text) I ask this because we touch a core point here:
An atheist in principle is indifferent to whether god/aliens exist or not. He first needs a certain amount of (credible) evidence before making up his mind. Do you see where you and I differ?
@RationalAtheism The essential difference between us is this: I see that life has meaning and purpose and you only see a mass of various types of molecules, swirling around in space. Your mind is weighed down by masses of atoms, but my spiritual perspective enables me to see beyond the atoms.
@atticana That sounds wonderful. Then again, you have never seen any aliens or any god and neither has anyone else, so it seems to me that atheist are on the 'winning side' for now. Also, any rational person will tell you that they think it is likely that there is more life in the universe. Why you think the opposite is beyond me. You cannot have it both ways. Either you DO think there is life on other planets with your 'open mindedness', or you think it is highly UNLIKELY and the work of god.
@RationalAtheism Did you actually read my last response to you?! I am only too happy to believe in life on other planets. And I think it more likely than not that, if the life on those planets is far more intelligent than us, that they will almost certainly not be atheists.
@atticana You are right, I misread your last post. My apologies. I do think that you're taking a very easy position by seeing both the existence and the absence of life on other planets as a sign of a god. The strongest sign for a god would be the absence of life. However I think this universe is teaming with life, yet looking at the big picture we are minuscule and insignificant. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one... I thank you for an interesting exchange of ideas! Be safe
What I'm getting from this is that: The universe is so vast, and as of yet mostly unexplored. Why then can atheists assume there is no god? I feel that's pretty unreasonable myself. We don't know a lot about the universe. What came before the BB? Was there even something before it? No one knows. Could that something have been god? Maybe.
Some of these replies are laughable, like Amsah's from 1 month ago about the genie.
@gimmepassword Daniel, my dear fellow, just ask yourself this question...where would your people, the Jewish people, be now without God? Would they, you, still be here?
@atticana Prove me god first, then I'd answer your question "where would we be now" - until then I'll say in the same place because he never existed in the first place. I don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old as the bible says, I don't even can't imagine 2 people create 6 billion people within 6000 years.
@gimmepassword Oh come off it! Only a minority of religious people think that Genesis must be taken in a strictly literal sense, I certainly don't, as is made clear in this video. And as I also make clear in this video, I am NOT claiming to prove that God exists. My central point is that God's existence must be left open to doubt if we are to remain free agents.
@atticana sorry friend. I'm going to have to dash your optimism.
I understand where you're coming from but it seems to me that you don't really have a good grasp on philosophy or cosmology. please don't take that as an insult, just an implicit suggestion that you learn about these things before voicing your views on them.
"a magical being who contradicts the known laws of reality did it". Your words, not mine! And just because I don't know much about aerodynamics doesn't mean that I think planes fly by magic.
@ImAnotherZang No, with respect, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is this, that there has to be doubt concerning the existence of God in order for us to remain free agents. If there were no doubt on the matter then we would not really be free agents and our lives would be robbed of much of their meaning. To lead meaningful lives we must be free agents.
Why would knowing for a fact and being able to prove a God exists suddenly strip you from your free will..? That's a completely illogical argument you made up as a reason for you to ignore evidence and believe whatever you want to.
@Amsah Think about it. If we all KNEW FOR A CERTAINTY that God, our Creator and our Judge, definitely existed, then would we really feel ourselves to be free agents? Would you?
Yes, I would. Knowledge of someone's existence doesn't limit my free will. It's still entirely up to me to follow or disregard that God's plan for me if he even has such a thing.
As for the Christian God which I'm sure you're talking about, if I knew for a fact that monster existed I would definitely NOT worship or follow him.
1) I can't struggle with something I don't believe exists.
2) You did not address anything I said.
3) Just because something's in the bible doesn't make it true, so keep your fairy tales to yourself and come up with actual arguments to support your claims.
So let me ask again, how does knowing whether or not a God exist have any effect on your free will..?
@Amsah Oh come, come...I think that nearly everybody would feel inhibited if they KNEW that God was watching them. It is IMPERATIVE that we remain free agents if our lives are to be meaningful. So if you really think hard about it God's existence has to remain in doubt.
"Oh come, come...I think that nearly everybody would feel inhibited if they KNEW that God was watching them."
No it wouldn't. Because if that turned out to be true, then he's been doing this since the day I was born, which essentially means that *nothing* changed and I could and would live my life *exactly* the way I had been before I supposedly found out.
Btw, from what I gather, you believe God is an Omniscient and Omnipotent being, correct..?
@Amsah My, that was a quick response! And I do indeed believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. But I'm going to have to sign off now, because I'm very tired. Don't you atheists need sleep?
He made you the way you are knowing exactly what choices you would make from the moment you were born until the moment you die. If he didn't want you to make those choices, he would have made you differently. If your God really exists then your sense of free will is an illusion and we're no different from the AI in a computer game. Limited to do exactly what we were coded for.
@Amsah There you go again! Trying to judge God on your own, strictly human, terms. Our minds are finite. But God is infinite. All that I can say in response to your points is this...do not believe anything that you consider to be unworthy of God.
Some things are mutually exclusive.These aren't my terms, but reality's terms.
Example:
God cannot exist and not exist at the same time.
This is the nature of existence.
If your God is truly Omnipotent and Omniscient, then that status comes with limitations. One of those is that his creations cannot do anything he didn't foresee. Thus, no free will.
This is the nature of Omnipotence and Omniscience.
But that's assuming God exists, you'll have to prove that first.
@Amsah Well, I don't claim to be able to prove that God exists, that would fly in the face of what I am saying in this video. As for free will, we IMAGINE that we have free will. But I concede the possibility that this may not really be so. When I look back on my own life I am not entirely sure how much free will I have had actually had.
*sigh* It would've been far more logical for you to concede the notion of Omnipotence & Omniscience because free will to me seems to be a well established fact..
Anyway, I don't know what else to say to you. You believe in a creature who contradicts the known laws of reality and admit you have absolutely good or logical reason to do so.
Makes me wonder if you also believe in pixies, unicorns and other absurd claims. And if don't, which I suspect, how can you justify that?
@Amsah My mind is human, not divine. I do not claim to be a prophet or to be able to answer all religious questions. There are some religious dilemmas that lie beyond my understanding.
Don't you see the massive flaw in your reasoning..?
You admit you don't have the slightest clue on how to answer those questions, but in the same breath you try to answer by saying "a magical being who contradicts the known laws of reality did it".
Apply that same logic to anything else and you'd see how absurd that is.
"I don't know how this airplane works, so it MUST be an invisible flying Genie lifting us up!"
It's a giant argument from ignorance. If you don't know, accept that.
@atticana I see. If you really are, as free thinking as you claim yourself to be, do you believe that a god exists? and if he does, do you consider him to be the christian judas God?
@ImAnotherZang I am not a Christian, I classify myself as a believer in God, or, a mystical monotheist. But I believe the true God, the ONLY God, is He of Whom the Jews speak. They are the bearers of the Divine Name, but the nations of the world, that includes me, must respond to God as they see fit. On my channel profile I list my five core religious doctrines, the beliefs that I regard as non-negotiable.
Well, I disagree with your premise that the vastness of the cosmos proves god. But I will agree with your last point, that bible literalists do a disservice to allegory of Genesis. Genesis, like all creation myths, can't be taken literally - it's early man's attempts to comprehend the universe. That's OK - it's natural to want to understand the universe. But we have grown as a species and know early myths aren't correct. Science has shown us a cosmos far grander than anything found in myths
got to 0:16 before collapsing in fits of laughter. If we atheists can't comprehend the cosmos, then there's quite a few theists who can't comprehend whats out side their own front door.
I love this video its funny. Tom Cruise owns you. And Buddha. We are only born to be born again what ever you did in your pass life will only punish you later. I was Abraham Lincoln ill show you my scar I was born with and I always have this weird dream of getting shot in the back of my Brain. When I turn 18 Mom told me the doctor drop me on my head when I was born. WTF...
@ShinWR1 I do not rule out the possibility of reincarnation. It is not incompatible with anything said in this video. And you may indeed be the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. In which case I give you the following advice...don't go to the theatre!!!
@atticana But you ever considered how big it is and how many explanets have been founded recently? How big it is how many planets there are. There must be life out there there must been civilizations out there. you are right about headcount yes. But so far we are seen no evidence for anything about gods. Im gladly follow any good god but all of the religion (more than 1000) failed to show us any evidence. All we need is irrefutable evidence but so far religion has nothing.
@HUNAdamus94 But with respect, I do say in the video that we are not permitted to see God, for if we did then what would be left of our personal freedom? And without personal freedom what would our lives really amount to? And I am not speaking for ALL religions, but only my own particular brand of theism.
@atticana all rigth i dont want to harm your beliefs im not religious but that doesnt means i dont accept other thinkers . If religion makes you happy then i dont have a problem. Why should i? But with these videos you are attacking many other people beliefs. Why do you attacking if you know that your truth is the truth. Or you want to strengthen your fate with attacks. I accept you believe in something. But do not attack the beliefs of others. thank you
u begin with a preconceived belief in a god transcendent of nature. from that point, everything within nature becomes evidence of this imagined god, when actually, nature is only evidence of itself. your belief in god is on pure faith.
@itzahazylife In a sense yes, but then, YOUR belief that the universe emerged on its own from sheer nothingness is ALSO based on pure faith. Atheism is a product of faith just as much as religion.
there are several theories on how the universe originated..i wouldn't call them beliefs of mine..complete suspension of belief is the only rational approach to something that we simply cannot know as of now..having 1 strong belief regarding the origin of the universe is utterly foolish...i try my best to not take any of my thoughts on the matter too serious.
@atticana saying "atheism is a product of faith just as much as religion," is a logical fallacy that assumes 2 opposites - belief and disbelief - are the same. They are not. Ergo, you make the claim your god exists, therefore the burden of proof is on you. You are making the positive claim. Even the Bible's definition of faith excludes disbelief. I do not believe in all 2789 or so gods, goddesses and deities mankind has created. PM me is you want the extended version.
@TheHuntress12 1. atheists BELIEVE that there is no God, so they are believers of a kind. 2. 'the burden of proof is on you'. But I am not claiming to PROVE the existence of God. I am simply saying that the cosmos does not disprove His existence. 3. Many atheists I encounter seem actually to rather dislike the God they claim not to believe in.
@bluespiral58 Yeah, maybe it's the tonality I don't believe in. It certainly can't be the message. Or the flaws in the logic. Or the buckets of blood shed. ect ect. It must be the language. If it were only in Latin, THEN I would believe it.
I think alot of the people commenting here has misread the video as a statement of fact. I see it as one of philosophy. An argument of possibilty rather than a clear cut statement of truth.
@Jammsbro1 Exactly. I am not putting forward dogma here but exploring religious and metaphysical possibities. And I do not say that people are under any kind of religious obligation to agree with me, as fundamentalists would do. All I ask is that they consider what I say with an open mind, as you clearly have done. Thank you.
Atheists will never be able to understand God.It's simply impossible for a mere mortals sense of logic and reasoning to be able to comprehend him.
It's still very hard to get intellectuals to even consider the existence of lesser spirits on earth.Sorry guys but millions of people experience these phenomena every year.Merely saying they are merely lying or delusional ain't cutting it. If you can't even understand demons and lesser spirits,how could you ever hope to rationalize God?
@gtw1983 Thank you for watching my video and I totally agree with what you say. It amuses me that atheists so often accuse religious people of having closed minds. In my experience some of the most inflexible and close-minded people that I have ever met have been atheists.
@gtw1983 You are correct! We do not understand your belief in gods. We do not understand how you can believe in a fairytale that has not one single piece of proof or evidence that your god exists. We do not understand why you believe in one god and not one of the other 78,000 gods. We do not understand why you believe in a bible when there are more than 32,000 versions. We do not understand why your god wants you to rape murder steal & mutilate other human beings.P.S Bible/Koran same thing.
a bit too much poetic reherse. i dont agree with your points at all since its basically saying "god works in mysteryous ways....... behind a big curtain of stars so you cant see him" but u sound cool
@rikuown Ah well, at least you paid me a bit of a compliment. On this comment section I have to be grateful for ANY compliments that come my way! ( - :
2:09 - Actually, life would be more meaningful if a god had told us why we are here.
2:22 - If you wish to pretend that you have free will in choosing to believe in god, you must accept that hell cannot exist. For if hell exists, then you do not really have a choice, you have a gun at your head.
Additionally, if you knew god and you knew he allowed us free will then you would actually have it. Currently, we only presume we have it, we may be wrong on that.
@AndreisEntaro If God told us why we were here then what challenges would be left to the human mind? I believe that man creates hell and God creates heaven. What man has made fades away but what God has made endures. And I only HOPE that we have free will, but sometimes I'm not sure. Looking back over my life I often feel that many of my 'choices' were in fact made for me, not by me.
The cosmos is much too big for creationist propaganda. But, I like your video for one reason - we're starting to rattle theists' cages. You're starting to get a uncomfortable in your small-minded, insular beliefs. Good! Maybe one day you'll wake up and realize invisible sky-daddies don't exist
Go ahead and start spilling some shit from some oh-so-holy book of bible written by some medieval power-hungry scribe to control those of weak minds. What makes you think something is "god's will?". Oh, you just know? That won't convince anyone. Oh, from the Bible? It's not even written by "god". Try to use common sense, PLEASE, and you MIGHT get a few more thumbs up than 1 and a few less thumbs down than 67.
your religion will vanish and disappear at the awaking of human minds.
oblivion is the future of religion. i do not feel small at the size of the universe.
because i am a part of the universe. the universe is in me. i am bigger that your god.
i laugh at your deluded and closed mind. but you have a chance. open your mind the the universe and stop deluding yourself with man made iron age stories.
@TakaMaru777 I'm sorry to rain on your atheistic parade but may I point out the following to you? Those societies that have made the greatest social and technological process are those societies that have been most heavily influenced by the Hebrew monotheistic tradition. Nearly all of the Nobel Prize winners in the sciences have come from Protestant or Jewish backgrounds.
@TakaMaru777 In other words you admit defeat. You admit that the points I make are too profound for you to answer. Have I owned you TakaMaru777? No, it is the truth that has owned you!
@atticana So... what about the creationists that you admit are incorrect? These people that do as much as they can to squash the theory of evolution which you hold to be true and divine?
What precisely are the ratios of those who are of the Hebrew monotheistic tradition as opposed to those who are not compared to the ratios of the same set of values in nobel prize winners?
All you're essentially saying here is "The bible isn't literal" which is a stretch from "the bible is thereby true"
@Nemesishk Are insults the best you can manage? Read some of the other comments on this video; how they criticise me but without being insulting. You are just embarrassing yourself.
I don't feel insignificant at all before the universe, I know I am a part of the universe and that the universe is a part of me, that's all the belief I'll ever need. If anything, we might be the universe's only chance of knowing itself :)
In all honesty, how can you possibly follow a book as truth that has been changed and revised by so many people to fit their own greed? The willful ignorance of people is astounding even when they don't think they are. This universe is not about "mystery". Sure, we don't know how everything works yet. But it doesn't mean that a being that you portray as the answer to it all was the cause of it.
@HybridFreak412 Doesn't the fact that these ancient writings have endured so long and had such a profound impact upon human history, for good and for ill, give you pause for thought?
@atticana Sure, but just because something has been around for so long doesn't give it a pass as being true. Religion is what has brought us back in technology once the Romans fell. Sure, there is nothing to say that there isnt a "God". The thing i have a problem with is the instatutions of the religious that screw everything up for this place.
@HybridFreak412 I accept that much, perhaps most, organised religion is not very nice. But institutional religion is only one approach to spirituality. My religious beliefs are based not just on reading and reflection, but on my life experiences, both spiritual and worldly.
@atticana Thats perfectally fine that you compare your life experiences to being spiritual, but claiming that actual physical objects in space dont support any kind of non belief is rediculous. The thing is that your religion never thought of the universe to be as big as we have discovered it to be, yet you claim now that your belief system can expand to the cosmos. In my opinion, the teachings are good, its the way religion teaches them that are wrong.
@sweetmonkeylove1 The vastness of the universe is not meant to prove that God exists, but rather to ensure that, because it is bigger than our minds, we cannot see God. In this manner is human freedom, the thing that gives meaning to our lives, preserved.
@atticana Sorry I do not buy into that. Just because something is unexplained or difficult to understand does not by default make god real. 'God of the gaps'
@sweetmonkeylove1 #Pity you take the beginning and the end (without the middle), and--deciding the two disconnected parts (dee-dee-deeeeeeeeeeeeeeee) are not connected--conclude that there can be no connection between them. No forgiveness, no salvation; only pity.
@sweetmonkeylove1 Hugs are nice, therefore I'm a purple dinosaur ... not logical (and in this case VERY NOT-TRUE), but the first fact leads to possibility of the second---and the possibility of a God leads to belief in a God (just like the possibility that I'm a purple dinosaur leads to the belief that I'm a purple dinosaur).
What I think @atticana was saying is that--in a world where most of the cool stuff HAS to have had someone to think of it--someone has to have thought-up the universe.
@mythmanjay This leads to the every painting has a painter argument. The difference being I can contact the painter and ask questions about his work.
A being capable of 'creating' such a universe in all it's complexity must be even more complex than his creation or he would be incapable of said creation. Therefore he also must have begun with a thought. Who created god?
@sweetmonkeylove1 Right now, God creates God; just like you create you, just like I create me ... sure, people's perceptions of `M/you/me enter as varying variables of the equation of `M/you/me, but not without `R/your/my signature in the 'created by'-textbox!
And YHVH is named 'Epheh' (I Am/Shall-Be), not "I Was"
... Sure, YHVH 'was before'; but it really doesn't make that big a difference---it's fun to act like I care sometimes.
@moonlightavenger On the contrary sir, it is full of history and mystery. The history is often of a peculiar kind. And the mystery needs to be approached with a subtle and thoughtful mind. But a text that has exercised the minds of men for thousands of years cannot just be dismissed as nonsense.
@atticana You cannot tell me that a tale which puts the light on the world before the sun was in the sky is to be taken seriously.
It´s the answers of ignorant fishers and sheepherders to the question of where did we come from. So, it´s not poesy, it really tries to define our origin, while trying to make it conforming to their religion.
Doesn't work for me. Maybe if it was a fantasy tale, but not as an account on our origin.
The size of the universe isn't evidence for or against a generalized God though it doesn't seem to fit the very anthromorphic and local god of Christianity.
@820423 Well, at least you weren't TOTALLY hostile to me! Which makes a nice change on this particular comment section. And thanks for watching the video, even though you didn't agree with what I said.
so are you saying that priests and people who are absolute believers with no doubt in their mind about god's existence are no longer "free agents"? that means that the better you are at understanding god's plan, the more of a failure you are in his eyes. what a crappy business model
@fearisslavery Interesting points. Thank you for watching my video and thinking about what I said. And yes, an ABSOLUTE believer is probably not a free agent any more. Understanding God's plan much better than most other people is probably a gift from Him. As for business models, well, I reckon Satan is probably the guy in charge of most modern capitalism so I'll pass on that one!
@nakedapedude It means a huge amount if you think about it deeply. But like so many atheists on You Tube you don't think deeply about religious questions do you? No, you just prefer knee-jerk responses as a substitute for deep thinking. I'm distinctly unimpressed.
So rather than explain yourself you're just choosing to claim that I haven't thought about it deeply enough?
Congratulations, you've just proved that even you don't know what you're talking about. Try again, explain what you mean by "If the human mind were bigger than time and space then we would see god".
Good luck with that, I doubt you're up to the challenge.
@nakedapedude Very easy in fact. If the human mind were bigger than time and space then it would be bigger than the Creation. We would be BEYOND the Creation. In which case we would probably see God, the Creator.
Why do think restating your original claim is going to help? I know what you said, I just have no idea what it means.
How could a human mind be bigger than time? What does that mean? How could a human mind be bigger than space? What does that mean? Why are you question begging by claiming the universe is a creation therefore there must be a creator? Why would we see this creator if our minds were bigger than time and space? Explain these things or stop claiming them.
@nakedapedude OH PER-LEASE!!! Are you really so dim-witted? My points are perfectly comprehensible, whether you agree with them or not. If you REALLY can't understand what I say then I'm sorry kiddo but you're a plank...and life is too short to spend it arguing with planks.
Thank you for confirming that you can't explain your nonsense, I knew you wouldn't be able to which is why I challenged you in the first place, it's very easy to blame the person listening to the message and not the messenger isn't it?
Perhaps you should think about why you choose to run away rather than explain yourself, you'll find the answer is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
@nakedapedude No sir, it is you who have no idea what I am talking about, even though everybody else who watches my video DOES, even though they may not agree with me. Your lack of understanding is YOUR problem, not mine!
@nakedapedude Some data supporting my claim? Easy! The fact that although many other people have criticised this video no-one except you has claimed that they can't understand it. Only you are baffled by what I say. Tough.
Thanks for sharing your immense intellect with us mere mortals wise book reader!
MrSupervin 5 days ago
@MrSupervin Thank you kind sir for watching my video and for your positive feedback!!!
atticana 5 days ago
God had to hide the fact that he made us and then he would drop in and tell us we were his children? Then send himself/his son to explain it to some folks before he/jesus was killed/not killed ? Fooling us with billion+ year old stars was a good one on his part. Too bad he doesn't drop by for visits/genocides any more. We could just ask him ourselves. Or maybe it's better if he just watches from a distance and does nothing.
NoNeedForGod 1 month ago
Clean that room up and paint those walls before sitting on your arse in front of a camera to talk about silly stuff.
smartarse001 1 month ago
The stars may not support atheism, but they do disprove the Bible.
coolgreyoneabby 1 month ago
No, the universe is a testament unto itself!
The reason Xians deny Evolution is bxuz it disproves the Adam & Eve story, which was a product of man, just as the Abrahamic religion was.
It's unfortunate that u feel the need to believe in something u cannot demonstrate, even though god supposedly walked and talked with man.
At least you understand that Evolution is factual, although it doesn't indicate a god used Evolution to hide his existence. So is god devious? Does he feel he must deceive man?
Cootabux 4 months ago
@Cootabux Evolution only 'disproves' the Adam and Eve story if you take Genesis in a strictly literalistic sense, which I do not. There is no intellectual or religious obligation to do so. And the existence of God must be left open to doubt if human beings are to remain free agents, as I explain in the second half of this video.
atticana 4 months ago
atticana
....of watch I haven't seen yet, but hope I'll have time to watch it.
As far as what you've said so far here, I don't really disagree. As far as your video title goes tho, it's just an opinion. Many people don't actually know what atheism means. As an atheist, my personal definition means that I (we) don't accept the theist god claims, as they cannot substantiate those claims in the least! We see no evidence or reason to believe in superstitious claims of any deities.
Cootabux 4 months ago
atticana
It sounds as tho u r generally taking a Deist position, & I have always said that I have no problem with that as I can see it as a possibility, if we had evidence for it, & we don't, do date.
It's the Abrahamic god claim which I have studied & have a strong evidence based belief that they are all man made. Yahweh is a perfect example. But as far as a universal creative force...it's possible, & there's no reason why it can't be a purely natural force. So far, that's what we find.
Cootabux 4 months ago
Very interesting. How is it that you are aware of what God plans? If you get this information from the Bible, how do you jibe that with the fact that there have been those who have used the bible to justify murder, rape and torture? How is your belief any more logical than the Inuit who believe that Raven skewered the earth in place as it rose from the waters? Which is correct? No, religion has little to offer me that science does not answer with more eloquence and inspiration.
joedlang 4 months ago
you living in your mothers attic?
theUKatheist 5 months ago 7
@theUKatheist That one again! I heard the sound of creaking as you trundled it out. The answer's NO by the way. But I don't suppose that you'll allow facts to get in the way of your abuse.
atticana 5 months ago
@atticana abuse? your the abusive atheist hating, racist ass hole. i simply mentioned it seemed like you lived in your mothers attic. the dislikes on your videos show how retarded your views are & how absolutely ridiculous you are. people hate at you because they have reason, you are a horrible , ignorant ass hole.
you sir do not back up anything you say with actual evidence, your ideas are outrageous and very wrong. you are a delusional racist bitog and im ashamed that you live in my country.
theUKatheist 5 months ago 6
@theUKatheist This is a serious request. Please could you PM me with the SPECIFIC evidence you have for your claim that I am a racist. That's a serious accusation to make against someone nowadays. So if I am to stand accused of being a racist then I want you to present your evidence against me. In OUR country it is 'guilty until proven innocent', remember? PS I'm logging off now, so I won't be replying tonight.
atticana 5 months ago
@atticana here is your proof. a video of you,. being racist.
/watch?v=w7eW27m9bio&feature=feedu
skip to 9:28 in that video .. if you do not consider this racist you are a sick SICK man.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
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@atticana i like how you put the original video to private.. racist fuck
theUKatheist 5 months ago
@theUKatheist My original video was withdrawn by You Tube! Some 'progressive' person flagged it. Censorship triumphs!!!
atticana 5 months ago
@atticana "Some 'progressive' person flagged it."
are you fucking kidding me? it was utterly disgusting and racist. you should be ashamed of yourself. im ashamed of you coming from England and coming out with that shit.
theUKatheist 5 months ago
Thoughtful and poetic.
Unfortunately, you seem firmly rooted to the core unfounded assumption that all religious apologists share... that there MUST be a divine power. You seem incapable of accepting that the wonder of the universe does not support such an assumption. Your incredulity is not evidence.
Wanting a thing to be so, does not make it so.
Perhaps one day you will find the courage to replace "god" with "I don't know."
Then you may discover a whole new universe of wonder.
Qillz 7 months ago 2
So, what if it turns out there IS life on other planets? What excuse will you cook up then? How will you defend your clearly earth centered religion? How will you bend and twist the words in you holy book so that it fits the new situation?
RationalAtheism 7 months ago
@RationalAtheism My dear fellow, if you can stomach watching another one of my videos, then may I politely suggest that you watch my video entitled: 'Why atheists fear UFO's'. This will hopefully clarify my thoughts pertaining to what you say in your comment.
atticana 7 months ago
@atticana Okay, I will do that. Cheers.
RationalAtheism 7 months ago
@atticana That was a very clear answer to my question. Just a few comments:
- The existence of alien life and christianity/judaism/islam are NOT compatible.
- Why does life on other planets suggest a higher power at work?
This video shows the core problem of religious people: you jump at the first sign of something of something supernatural, without looking for any real evidence. What you call "mysterious possibilities", I call fantasies.
RationalAtheism 7 months ago
@RationalAtheism The mathematical chances of intelligent life evolving on any planet are so incredibly remote that for it to have done so on many planets would be indicative of a providential design. Then again, having said that, if our planet is the only one where intelligent life has indeed evolved then this uniqueness could also be taken as evidence of a divine plan. It seems to me that theism wins the argument both ways!
atticana 7 months ago
@atticana
the mathematical chances of your registration plate having the exact numbers it does now is so mathematically low that there must be a divine plan. Honestly, if it hadnt been for the meteor that killed the dinosaurs we wouldnt have existed and wed probably be seeing completely unrecognizable life on the planet. If somehow those creatures could talk and think abstractly like us, theyd probably be saying the same thing as you.
SecularNumanist 7 months ago
@SecularNumanist I don't drive so I don't have a registration plate, which may all be providential. As I think may well have been the meteorite which killed off the dinosaurs. And if some other species had inherited the earth instead of homo sapiens then I only hope that they would have treated this planet and the creatures that live on it with a lot more respect than our species has done.
atticana 7 months ago
@SecularNumanist I realise that some people, including probably yourself, think of me as a smug, complacent theist. So can I point out that my biggest difficulty, religion-wise, is that I don't much like my own species, homo sapiens, which is a big problem if you believe that man is made in the image of God. When I see the pain and suffering that we inflict on our fellow-creatures I am troubled to the core.
atticana 7 months ago
@atticana Interesting comment, coming from a theist! Personally, I do like Homo sapiens, but am continually dismayed by the things which some of them (us) do to each other, our animal and plant 'cousins' and the planet upon which we all depend. We have the potential for greatness, I just wish it was more widespread...
finlarg 7 months ago
@atticana Why do you refuse to be skeptical? Why must everything that sounds nice be true? Is it to much work to try to find out if things are REALLY true? Do you think "trying to get to the bottom of things" is a bad thing? There is a difference between not believing in something and trying to find out is something is or isn't true. And that has nothing to do with "a sense of intellectual superiority".
Let me ask you this: do you 'believe' in evolution? And why (not)?
RationalAtheism 7 months ago
@RationalAtheism I refuse to be sceptical because I have an open mind and skeptics are people who mistake a closed mind for a rational mind. And I believe in the UNFOLDING of the divine purpose, which is described in some quarters as evolution. I only have a problem with evolution when it is used for the purposes of atheist propaganda.
atticana 7 months ago
@atticana (sorry for the amount of text) I ask this because we touch a core point here:
An atheist in principle is indifferent to whether god/aliens exist or not. He first needs a certain amount of (credible) evidence before making up his mind. Do you see where you and I differ?
RationalAtheism 7 months ago
@RationalAtheism The essential difference between us is this: I see that life has meaning and purpose and you only see a mass of various types of molecules, swirling around in space. Your mind is weighed down by masses of atoms, but my spiritual perspective enables me to see beyond the atoms.
atticana 7 months ago
@atticana That sounds wonderful. Then again, you have never seen any aliens or any god and neither has anyone else, so it seems to me that atheist are on the 'winning side' for now. Also, any rational person will tell you that they think it is likely that there is more life in the universe. Why you think the opposite is beyond me. You cannot have it both ways. Either you DO think there is life on other planets with your 'open mindedness', or you think it is highly UNLIKELY and the work of god.
RationalAtheism 7 months ago
@RationalAtheism Did you actually read my last response to you?! I am only too happy to believe in life on other planets. And I think it more likely than not that, if the life on those planets is far more intelligent than us, that they will almost certainly not be atheists.
atticana 7 months ago
@atticana You are right, I misread your last post. My apologies. I do think that you're taking a very easy position by seeing both the existence and the absence of life on other planets as a sign of a god. The strongest sign for a god would be the absence of life. However I think this universe is teaming with life, yet looking at the big picture we are minuscule and insignificant. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one... I thank you for an interesting exchange of ideas! Be safe
RationalAtheism 7 months ago
What I'm getting from this is that: The universe is so vast, and as of yet mostly unexplored. Why then can atheists assume there is no god? I feel that's pretty unreasonable myself. We don't know a lot about the universe. What came before the BB? Was there even something before it? No one knows. Could that something have been god? Maybe.
Some of these replies are laughable, like Amsah's from 1 month ago about the genie.
I mostly agree with you, atticana.
WildDerpachu 8 months ago
@WildDerpachu Thank you for your interesting observations and also for your supportive comments.
atticana 8 months ago
blablabla can't understand a word distant, cosmic, distant, cosmic, same shit same words therefore god exists - waaaaaat
gimmepassword 10 months ago
@gimmepassword Daniel, my dear fellow, just ask yourself this question...where would your people, the Jewish people, be now without God? Would they, you, still be here?
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana Prove me god first, then I'd answer your question "where would we be now" - until then I'll say in the same place because he never existed in the first place. I don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old as the bible says, I don't even can't imagine 2 people create 6 billion people within 6000 years.
gimmepassword 10 months ago
@gimmepassword Oh come off it! Only a minority of religious people think that Genesis must be taken in a strictly literal sense, I certainly don't, as is made clear in this video. And as I also make clear in this video, I am NOT claiming to prove that God exists. My central point is that God's existence must be left open to doubt if we are to remain free agents.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana Sure, you're a good Christian, Jesus and god is in your heart, true believer I'm sorry but I'm not.
gimmepassword 10 months ago
Wow...just, wow.
MrAudiovideodisco 10 months ago
@MrAudiovideodisco I'll be optimistic and hope that those 'wows' of yours were a sign of approval.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana sorry friend. I'm going to have to dash your optimism.
I understand where you're coming from but it seems to me that you don't really have a good grasp on philosophy or cosmology. please don't take that as an insult, just an implicit suggestion that you learn about these things before voicing your views on them.
peace.
MrAudiovideodisco 10 months ago
"a magical being who contradicts the known laws of reality did it". Your words, not mine! And just because I don't know much about aerodynamics doesn't mean that I think planes fly by magic.
atticana 10 months ago
Because there is doubt for god's existence, therefore god exists. I am sorry, but no either.
ImAnotherZang 10 months ago
@ImAnotherZang No, with respect, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is this, that there has to be doubt concerning the existence of God in order for us to remain free agents. If there were no doubt on the matter then we would not really be free agents and our lives would be robbed of much of their meaning. To lead meaningful lives we must be free agents.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
Why would knowing for a fact and being able to prove a God exists suddenly strip you from your free will..? That's a completely illogical argument you made up as a reason for you to ignore evidence and believe whatever you want to.
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah Think about it. If we all KNEW FOR A CERTAINTY that God, our Creator and our Judge, definitely existed, then would we really feel ourselves to be free agents? Would you?
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
Yes, I would. Knowledge of someone's existence doesn't limit my free will. It's still entirely up to me to follow or disregard that God's plan for me if he even has such a thing.
As for the Christian God which I'm sure you're talking about, if I knew for a fact that monster existed I would definitely NOT worship or follow him.
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah To struggle with God can be a holy thing to do. See Genesis 32: 23-33.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
1) I can't struggle with something I don't believe exists.
2) You did not address anything I said.
3) Just because something's in the bible doesn't make it true, so keep your fairy tales to yourself and come up with actual arguments to support your claims.
So let me ask again, how does knowing whether or not a God exist have any effect on your free will..?
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah Oh come, come...I think that nearly everybody would feel inhibited if they KNEW that God was watching them. It is IMPERATIVE that we remain free agents if our lives are to be meaningful. So if you really think hard about it God's existence has to remain in doubt.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
"Oh come, come...I think that nearly everybody would feel inhibited if they KNEW that God was watching them."
No it wouldn't. Because if that turned out to be true, then he's been doing this since the day I was born, which essentially means that *nothing* changed and I could and would live my life *exactly* the way I had been before I supposedly found out.
Btw, from what I gather, you believe God is an Omniscient and Omnipotent being, correct..?
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah My, that was a quick response! And I do indeed believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. But I'm going to have to sign off now, because I'm very tired. Don't you atheists need sleep?
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
I thought so, well, then your belief contradicts itself. With an omniscient, omnipotent creator free will *cannot* exist. They're mutually exclusive.
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah Not necessarily. On our terms maybe, but not on God's terms. Please do not seek to place human limitations upon God.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
Yes, necessarily.
If God is Omnipotent, he is infallible.
If God is Omniscient, he is all knowing.
He made you the way you are knowing exactly what choices you would make from the moment you were born until the moment you die. If he didn't want you to make those choices, he would have made you differently. If your God really exists then your sense of free will is an illusion and we're no different from the AI in a computer game. Limited to do exactly what we were coded for.
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah There you go again! Trying to judge God on your own, strictly human, terms. Our minds are finite. But God is infinite. All that I can say in response to your points is this...do not believe anything that you consider to be unworthy of God.
atticana 10 months ago
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Amsah 10 months ago
@atticana
Some things are mutually exclusive.These aren't my terms, but reality's terms.
Example:
God cannot exist and not exist at the same time.
This is the nature of existence.
If your God is truly Omnipotent and Omniscient, then that status comes with limitations. One of those is that his creations cannot do anything he didn't foresee. Thus, no free will.
This is the nature of Omnipotence and Omniscience.
But that's assuming God exists, you'll have to prove that first.
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah Well, I don't claim to be able to prove that God exists, that would fly in the face of what I am saying in this video. As for free will, we IMAGINE that we have free will. But I concede the possibility that this may not really be so. When I look back on my own life I am not entirely sure how much free will I have had actually had.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
*sigh* It would've been far more logical for you to concede the notion of Omnipotence & Omniscience because free will to me seems to be a well established fact..
Anyway, I don't know what else to say to you. You believe in a creature who contradicts the known laws of reality and admit you have absolutely good or logical reason to do so.
Makes me wonder if you also believe in pixies, unicorns and other absurd claims. And if don't, which I suspect, how can you justify that?
Amsah 10 months ago
@Amsah My mind is human, not divine. I do not claim to be a prophet or to be able to answer all religious questions. There are some religious dilemmas that lie beyond my understanding.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
Don't you see the massive flaw in your reasoning..?
You admit you don't have the slightest clue on how to answer those questions, but in the same breath you try to answer by saying "a magical being who contradicts the known laws of reality did it".
Apply that same logic to anything else and you'd see how absurd that is.
"I don't know how this airplane works, so it MUST be an invisible flying Genie lifting us up!"
It's a giant argument from ignorance. If you don't know, accept that.
Amsah 10 months ago
@atticana
So yes, necessarily.
Amsah 10 months ago
@atticana I see. If you really are, as free thinking as you claim yourself to be, do you believe that a god exists? and if he does, do you consider him to be the christian judas God?
ImAnotherZang 10 months ago
@ImAnotherZang I am not a Christian, I classify myself as a believer in God, or, a mystical monotheist. But I believe the true God, the ONLY God, is He of Whom the Jews speak. They are the bearers of the Divine Name, but the nations of the world, that includes me, must respond to God as they see fit. On my channel profile I list my five core religious doctrines, the beliefs that I regard as non-negotiable.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana understood.....so you believe in a god, but not necessarily the same figure described by religion in their holy books. I see.
ImAnotherZang 10 months ago
Well, I disagree with your premise that the vastness of the cosmos proves god. But I will agree with your last point, that bible literalists do a disservice to allegory of Genesis. Genesis, like all creation myths, can't be taken literally - it's early man's attempts to comprehend the universe. That's OK - it's natural to want to understand the universe. But we have grown as a species and know early myths aren't correct. Science has shown us a cosmos far grander than anything found in myths
LoopQuantumGravity1 10 months ago
got to 0:16 before collapsing in fits of laughter. If we atheists can't comprehend the cosmos, then there's quite a few theists who can't comprehend whats out side their own front door.
TheHuntress12 10 months ago
I love this video its funny. Tom Cruise owns you. And Buddha. We are only born to be born again what ever you did in your pass life will only punish you later. I was Abraham Lincoln ill show you my scar I was born with and I always have this weird dream of getting shot in the back of my Brain. When I turn 18 Mom told me the doctor drop me on my head when I was born. WTF...
ShinWR1 11 months ago
@ShinWR1 I do not rule out the possibility of reincarnation. It is not incompatible with anything said in this video. And you may indeed be the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. In which case I give you the following advice...don't go to the theatre!!!
atticana 11 months ago
you know a video fails if there is 105 dislikes and only 2 likes. and the 2 top rated comment is against you!
HUNAdamus94 11 months ago
@HUNAdamus94 My dear fellow, can I politely point out to you that the truth is not decided by a headcount?
atticana 11 months ago
@atticana But you ever considered how big it is and how many explanets have been founded recently? How big it is how many planets there are. There must be life out there there must been civilizations out there. you are right about headcount yes. But so far we are seen no evidence for anything about gods. Im gladly follow any good god but all of the religion (more than 1000) failed to show us any evidence. All we need is irrefutable evidence but so far religion has nothing.
HUNAdamus94 11 months ago
@HUNAdamus94 But with respect, I do say in the video that we are not permitted to see God, for if we did then what would be left of our personal freedom? And without personal freedom what would our lives really amount to? And I am not speaking for ALL religions, but only my own particular brand of theism.
atticana 11 months ago
@atticana all rigth i dont want to harm your beliefs im not religious but that doesnt means i dont accept other thinkers . If religion makes you happy then i dont have a problem. Why should i? But with these videos you are attacking many other people beliefs. Why do you attacking if you know that your truth is the truth. Or you want to strengthen your fate with attacks. I accept you believe in something. But do not attack the beliefs of others. thank you
HUNAdamus94 11 months ago
@atticana
u begin with a preconceived belief in a god transcendent of nature. from that point, everything within nature becomes evidence of this imagined god, when actually, nature is only evidence of itself. your belief in god is on pure faith.
itzahazylife 10 months ago
@itzahazylife In a sense yes, but then, YOUR belief that the universe emerged on its own from sheer nothingness is ALSO based on pure faith. Atheism is a product of faith just as much as religion.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
there are several theories on how the universe originated..i wouldn't call them beliefs of mine..complete suspension of belief is the only rational approach to something that we simply cannot know as of now..having 1 strong belief regarding the origin of the universe is utterly foolish...i try my best to not take any of my thoughts on the matter too serious.
itzahazylife 10 months ago
@atticana saying "atheism is a product of faith just as much as religion," is a logical fallacy that assumes 2 opposites - belief and disbelief - are the same. They are not. Ergo, you make the claim your god exists, therefore the burden of proof is on you. You are making the positive claim. Even the Bible's definition of faith excludes disbelief. I do not believe in all 2789 or so gods, goddesses and deities mankind has created. PM me is you want the extended version.
TheHuntress12 10 months ago
@TheHuntress12 1. atheists BELIEVE that there is no God, so they are believers of a kind. 2. 'the burden of proof is on you'. But I am not claiming to PROVE the existence of God. I am simply saying that the cosmos does not disprove His existence. 3. Many atheists I encounter seem actually to rather dislike the God they claim not to believe in.
atticana 10 months ago
HAHAHAHA you are so stupid
number6of6the6beast 11 months ago
@number6of6the6beast Thank you anyway for watching the video and I appreciate all feedback (-:
atticana 11 months ago
Dude. if I didn't speak the same language as you, i might have thought you were super duper smart.
derman077 11 months ago
@derman077 It is more convincing when it is spoken in Latin or in pentecostal tongue.
bluespiral58 10 months ago
@bluespiral58 Yeah, maybe it's the tonality I don't believe in. It certainly can't be the message. Or the flaws in the logic. Or the buckets of blood shed. ect ect. It must be the language. If it were only in Latin, THEN I would believe it.
derman077 10 months ago
I think alot of the people commenting here has misread the video as a statement of fact. I see it as one of philosophy. An argument of possibilty rather than a clear cut statement of truth.
Jammsbro1 11 months ago
@Jammsbro1 Exactly. I am not putting forward dogma here but exploring religious and metaphysical possibities. And I do not say that people are under any kind of religious obligation to agree with me, as fundamentalists would do. All I ask is that they consider what I say with an open mind, as you clearly have done. Thank you.
atticana 11 months ago
Atheists will never be able to understand God.It's simply impossible for a mere mortals sense of logic and reasoning to be able to comprehend him.
It's still very hard to get intellectuals to even consider the existence of lesser spirits on earth.Sorry guys but millions of people experience these phenomena every year.Merely saying they are merely lying or delusional ain't cutting it. If you can't even understand demons and lesser spirits,how could you ever hope to rationalize God?
gtw1983 1 year ago
@gtw1983 Thank you for watching my video and I totally agree with what you say. It amuses me that atheists so often accuse religious people of having closed minds. In my experience some of the most inflexible and close-minded people that I have ever met have been atheists.
atticana 1 year ago
@gtw1983 You are correct! We do not understand your belief in gods. We do not understand how you can believe in a fairytale that has not one single piece of proof or evidence that your god exists. We do not understand why you believe in one god and not one of the other 78,000 gods. We do not understand why you believe in a bible when there are more than 32,000 versions. We do not understand why your god wants you to rape murder steal & mutilate other human beings.P.S Bible/Koran same thing.
TacticalAtheist 11 months ago
Meh.
winosapien 1 year ago
a bit too much poetic reherse. i dont agree with your points at all since its basically saying "god works in mysteryous ways....... behind a big curtain of stars so you cant see him" but u sound cool
Heliosvector 1 year ago
God did not create humanity, humanity created god.
Still, it is nice to see at least one religious person who seems to at least get their own side of the argument correct.
DeMause 1 year ago
A great voice, and a very poetic mind. But clearly you have mistaken poetry for reason.
Genesis000 1 year ago 6
@Genesis000 Ah well, so my arguments didn't win you over and you still don't agree with me. But at least you were nice about it.
atticana 1 year ago
The human is time and space.
You are stupid, but i gotta admit, you have an epic voice.
rikuown 1 year ago
@rikuown Ah well, at least you paid me a bit of a compliment. On this comment section I have to be grateful for ANY compliments that come my way! ( - :
atticana 1 year ago
2:09 - Actually, life would be more meaningful if a god had told us why we are here.
2:22 - If you wish to pretend that you have free will in choosing to believe in god, you must accept that hell cannot exist. For if hell exists, then you do not really have a choice, you have a gun at your head.
Additionally, if you knew god and you knew he allowed us free will then you would actually have it. Currently, we only presume we have it, we may be wrong on that.
AndreisEntaro 1 year ago
@AndreisEntaro If God told us why we were here then what challenges would be left to the human mind? I believe that man creates hell and God creates heaven. What man has made fades away but what God has made endures. And I only HOPE that we have free will, but sometimes I'm not sure. Looking back over my life I often feel that many of my 'choices' were in fact made for me, not by me.
atticana 1 year ago
staring into a lens wirh a straight face on does not make youre bronzeage fairytales true. plz stop stop
stop
SevenSevenSevenaka 1 year ago
The cosmos is much too big for creationist propaganda. But, I like your video for one reason - we're starting to rattle theists' cages. You're starting to get a uncomfortable in your small-minded, insular beliefs. Good! Maybe one day you'll wake up and realize invisible sky-daddies don't exist
LoopQuantumGravity1 1 year ago 5
Go ahead and start spilling some shit from some oh-so-holy book of bible written by some medieval power-hungry scribe to control those of weak minds. What makes you think something is "god's will?". Oh, you just know? That won't convince anyone. Oh, from the Bible? It's not even written by "god". Try to use common sense, PLEASE, and you MIGHT get a few more thumbs up than 1 and a few less thumbs down than 67.
ImAnotherZang 1 year ago
Move out of your mothers attic and read something other than the bible... seriously.
TenaciousTB 1 year ago
your religion will vanish and disappear at the awaking of human minds.
oblivion is the future of religion. i do not feel small at the size of the universe.
because i am a part of the universe. the universe is in me. i am bigger that your god.
i laugh at your deluded and closed mind. but you have a chance. open your mind the the universe and stop deluding yourself with man made iron age stories.
ELOCOMAN 1 year ago
Oh wow, the ignorance in this video really hits you like a punch in the face.
atticana, you are dead weight on mankind's progress, you should be ashamed.
TakaMaru777 1 year ago 25
@TakaMaru777 I'm sorry to rain on your atheistic parade but may I point out the following to you? Those societies that have made the greatest social and technological process are those societies that have been most heavily influenced by the Hebrew monotheistic tradition. Nearly all of the Nobel Prize winners in the sciences have come from Protestant or Jewish backgrounds.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana Do you want to know the difference between us? This is as far as I would ever be willing to go in terms of responding to you.
TakaMaru777 1 year ago
@TakaMaru777 In other words you admit defeat. You admit that the points I make are too profound for you to answer. Have I owned you TakaMaru777? No, it is the truth that has owned you!
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana So... what about the creationists that you admit are incorrect? These people that do as much as they can to squash the theory of evolution which you hold to be true and divine?
What precisely are the ratios of those who are of the Hebrew monotheistic tradition as opposed to those who are not compared to the ratios of the same set of values in nobel prize winners?
All you're essentially saying here is "The bible isn't literal" which is a stretch from "the bible is thereby true"
SwayingDaisies 1 year ago
@atticana More likely he just realised you are a mental defective who is incapable of even understanding the topic.
tml4873 1 year ago
@tml4873 There is no need to be nasty! Thank you though for watching my video, even though I clearly failed to convince you ( - :
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana Ok everyone, let's play "count the logical fallacies" in this argument. There are at least three, but that's just at first glance.
tml4873 1 year ago
@atticana like the dark ages?
herpaderp....
paimail21 1 year ago
@paimail21 The dark ages were a time when people lived in fear. I want to see a world where people live in hope.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana
and i want to live in a time where people do not live in delusion.
roont 1 year ago
schizophrenic*
Nemesishk 1 year ago
you do really sound like a schiozphrenic
Nemesishk 1 year ago
@Nemesishk Are insults the best you can manage? Read some of the other comments on this video; how they criticise me but without being insulting. You are just embarrassing yourself.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana wasn't meant to insult you, i'm just telling it how it is :|
Nemesishk 1 year ago
@atticana i mean, look at the likes/dislikes if you don't believe me.
Nemesishk 1 year ago
@Nemesishk Let me break the news to you old bean...the truth is not a matter of counting heads. Or even of counting likes and dislikes on You Tube.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana and stop reading from a script, you look like a robot.
Nemesishk 1 year ago
I don't feel insignificant at all before the universe, I know I am a part of the universe and that the universe is a part of me, that's all the belief I'll ever need. If anything, we might be the universe's only chance of knowing itself :)
Nemesishk 1 year ago
In all honesty, how can you possibly follow a book as truth that has been changed and revised by so many people to fit their own greed? The willful ignorance of people is astounding even when they don't think they are. This universe is not about "mystery". Sure, we don't know how everything works yet. But it doesn't mean that a being that you portray as the answer to it all was the cause of it.
HybridFreak412 1 year ago
@HybridFreak412 Doesn't the fact that these ancient writings have endured so long and had such a profound impact upon human history, for good and for ill, give you pause for thought?
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana Sure, but just because something has been around for so long doesn't give it a pass as being true. Religion is what has brought us back in technology once the Romans fell. Sure, there is nothing to say that there isnt a "God". The thing i have a problem with is the instatutions of the religious that screw everything up for this place.
HybridFreak412 1 year ago
@HybridFreak412 I accept that much, perhaps most, organised religion is not very nice. But institutional religion is only one approach to spirituality. My religious beliefs are based not just on reading and reflection, but on my life experiences, both spiritual and worldly.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana Thats perfectally fine that you compare your life experiences to being spiritual, but claiming that actual physical objects in space dont support any kind of non belief is rediculous. The thing is that your religion never thought of the universe to be as big as we have discovered it to be, yet you claim now that your belief system can expand to the cosmos. In my opinion, the teachings are good, its the way religion teaches them that are wrong.
HybridFreak412 1 year ago
Gibberish!
Kailoa36 1 year ago
The universe is huge, therefore god exists. I am sorry, but no.
sweetmonkeylove1 1 year ago 30
@sweetmonkeylove1 The vastness of the universe is not meant to prove that God exists, but rather to ensure that, because it is bigger than our minds, we cannot see God. In this manner is human freedom, the thing that gives meaning to our lives, preserved.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana Sorry I do not buy into that. Just because something is unexplained or difficult to understand does not by default make god real. 'God of the gaps'
Peace.
sweetmonkeylove1 1 year ago
@sweetmonkeylove1 #Pity you take the beginning and the end (without the middle), and--deciding the two disconnected parts (dee-dee-deeeeeeeeeeeeeeee) are not connected--conclude that there can be no connection between them. No forgiveness, no salvation; only pity.
mythmanjay 1 year ago
@mythmanjay Sense you make not. Please reiterate.
sweetmonkeylove1 1 year ago
@sweetmonkeylove1 Hugs are nice, therefore I'm a purple dinosaur ... not logical (and in this case VERY NOT-TRUE), but the first fact leads to possibility of the second---and the possibility of a God leads to belief in a God (just like the possibility that I'm a purple dinosaur leads to the belief that I'm a purple dinosaur).
What I think @atticana was saying is that--in a world where most of the cool stuff HAS to have had someone to think of it--someone has to have thought-up the universe.
mythmanjay 1 year ago
@mythmanjay This leads to the every painting has a painter argument. The difference being I can contact the painter and ask questions about his work.
A being capable of 'creating' such a universe in all it's complexity must be even more complex than his creation or he would be incapable of said creation. Therefore he also must have begun with a thought. Who created god?
sweetmonkeylove1 1 year ago
@sweetmonkeylove1 Right now, God creates God; just like you create you, just like I create me ... sure, people's perceptions of `M/you/me enter as varying variables of the equation of `M/you/me, but not without `R/your/my signature in the 'created by'-textbox!
And YHVH is named 'Epheh' (I Am/Shall-Be), not "I Was"
... Sure, YHVH 'was before'; but it really doesn't make that big a difference---it's fun to act like I care sometimes.
mythmanjay 1 year ago
Boring as a rainy sunday...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
@Acrimonator Ah well, thanks anyway for watching the video ( - :
atticana 1 year ago
The Genesis is full of nonsense....
moonlightavenger 1 year ago 5
@moonlightavenger On the contrary sir, it is full of history and mystery. The history is often of a peculiar kind. And the mystery needs to be approached with a subtle and thoughtful mind. But a text that has exercised the minds of men for thousands of years cannot just be dismissed as nonsense.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana You cannot tell me that a tale which puts the light on the world before the sun was in the sky is to be taken seriously.
It´s the answers of ignorant fishers and sheepherders to the question of where did we come from. So, it´s not poesy, it really tries to define our origin, while trying to make it conforming to their religion.
Doesn't work for me. Maybe if it was a fantasy tale, but not as an account on our origin.
moonlightavenger 1 year ago
Lots of wild assumptions and unsubstantiated opinions. And the only thing that does the bible justice is to call it fiction.
alianchild 1 year ago
atheism is true, unlike ur gods
gphhawkins 1 year ago
The size of the universe isn't evidence for or against a generalized God though it doesn't seem to fit the very anthromorphic and local god of Christianity.
unassumption 1 year ago
I dont agree with you one bit, atticana, but I kind of enjoyed your manner of presentation. It was like you were reading poetry.
I usually go teeth and nails on bullshit like this, but I rather enjoy poetry as well.
Of course, I found no substantial meaning in it, but hey... I wont fight a dying art.
820423 1 year ago
@820423 Well, at least you weren't TOTALLY hostile to me! Which makes a nice change on this particular comment section. And thanks for watching the video, even though you didn't agree with what I said.
atticana 1 year ago
so are you saying that priests and people who are absolute believers with no doubt in their mind about god's existence are no longer "free agents"? that means that the better you are at understanding god's plan, the more of a failure you are in his eyes. what a crappy business model
fearisslavery 1 year ago
@fearisslavery Interesting points. Thank you for watching my video and thinking about what I said. And yes, an ABSOLUTE believer is probably not a free agent any more. Understanding God's plan much better than most other people is probably a gift from Him. As for business models, well, I reckon Satan is probably the guy in charge of most modern capitalism so I'll pass on that one!
atticana 1 year ago
"If the human mind were bigger than time and space then we would see god"
what a load of twaddle, you're just making up this garbage as you go along aren't you, what does that even mean?
nakedapedude 1 year ago
@nakedapedude It means a huge amount if you think about it deeply. But like so many atheists on You Tube you don't think deeply about religious questions do you? No, you just prefer knee-jerk responses as a substitute for deep thinking. I'm distinctly unimpressed.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana
So rather than explain yourself you're just choosing to claim that I haven't thought about it deeply enough?
Congratulations, you've just proved that even you don't know what you're talking about. Try again, explain what you mean by "If the human mind were bigger than time and space then we would see god".
Good luck with that, I doubt you're up to the challenge.
nakedapedude 1 year ago
@nakedapedude Very easy in fact. If the human mind were bigger than time and space then it would be bigger than the Creation. We would be BEYOND the Creation. In which case we would probably see God, the Creator.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana
Why do think restating your original claim is going to help? I know what you said, I just have no idea what it means.
How could a human mind be bigger than time? What does that mean? How could a human mind be bigger than space? What does that mean? Why are you question begging by claiming the universe is a creation therefore there must be a creator? Why would we see this creator if our minds were bigger than time and space? Explain these things or stop claiming them.
nakedapedude 1 year ago
@nakedapedude OH PER-LEASE!!! Are you really so dim-witted? My points are perfectly comprehensible, whether you agree with them or not. If you REALLY can't understand what I say then I'm sorry kiddo but you're a plank...and life is too short to spend it arguing with planks.
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana
Thank you for confirming that you can't explain your nonsense, I knew you wouldn't be able to which is why I challenged you in the first place, it's very easy to blame the person listening to the message and not the messenger isn't it?
Perhaps you should think about why you choose to run away rather than explain yourself, you'll find the answer is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
nakedapedude 1 year ago
@nakedapedude No sir, it is you who have no idea what I am talking about, even though everybody else who watches my video DOES, even though they may not agree with me. Your lack of understanding is YOUR problem, not mine!
atticana 1 year ago
@atticana
Yes, you are correct, I have no idea what you are talking about and you are refusing to explain yourself.
Your failure to explain yourself merely adds weight to my argument, that what you are saying in this video is meaningless nonsense.
"everybody else who watches my video does (understand)". Really? Would you care to present some data supporting your claim?
nakedapedude 1 year ago
@nakedapedude Some data supporting my claim? Easy! The fact that although many other people have criticised this video no-one except you has claimed that they can't understand it. Only you are baffled by what I say. Tough.
atticana 1 year ago