Proto norse (the language of the pre vikings)

[VendeeD85]

Funny, as an Englishman I can understand a whole clause of old norse! Lol.

[frenchhy]

Thank you it reminds me of my great grandfather"who taught my father this language".

[ByabyaChannel]

@satansprick13 I think this language is 1000 times more beautiful than any of the modern north germanic languages. This old language has interesting phonology and complex intriguing grammar

[RedNudidity]

This is awesome. "Her habju ek" is just like "Hier habe Ich" in german

[tannalv]

What is it with Arne Torp and his love for being so dramatical?

[dontbannme]

thats fucking epic

[MiracleKD18]

0:20 Gotanophi Judanos?

[Rovarin]

Am I right in thinking that those verses are in someway related to the story of "Sjúrður og ormin" (Siegfried and the dragon). Gunnar and Høgni are Siegfrieds brothers-in-law, and here Attila is trying to coerce the location of the dragonhoard?

[satansprick13]

what a barbarian -primitive elecusion-sound. compare this to old persian .and you ll know who is primitive barbarian

[RavenofDenmark]

@satansprick13

We are! and We are proud! ^^

[Ducesweden]

@RavenofDenmark To bad we don't speak like this anymore though :)

[Minurath]

@satansprick13 Considering it's a *reconstruction* of a language of which we don't have written records - added with the fact that it shares a background with Old Persian (both being Indo-European of origin), and there might be some overacting involved - your argument is total nonsense.

All in all it's just rubbish to designate a compared value to different languages - especially if they are a thousand years and a thousand miles away from each other.

[Eopyk]

@Minurath Proto.Norse do have written acounts in fact it is the first ever written Germanic tounge( Yes before Gothic even if Gothic hade the first ever larger written acount ). It is not complety reconstructed. But the written acounts are often very samll runic samples that many of are not complete today and are not much a litreature that says to much of the language . That makes a large chunk of the language reconstructed but not everything about the language is.

[27sevenSToFo]

@satansprick13 There there, you shouldn't submit to jealosy. You should be proud of your heritage, even though your ancestors were a bunch of greedy warmongering madmen.

[Eopyk]

@satansprick13 P 1Both Old Persian and Proto-Norse are Indo-European languages so they share the same root.

The main diffrence was that old Persian ended up being spoken by a larger civilization where it was written tablets that makes a large chunk of Old Persian texts survive and Proto-Norse in early 1000's clan society Scandinavia that was primarly written in wood that have motsly rotten away and some very few other runic acounts most that are not in complete form today. Imagian the reverse

[Eopyk]

P 2 that old persian would have been spoken in Scandinavia and Proto-Norse in Persia.. What would have been barbaric then? Think about it

[dontbannme]

@satansprick13 whatever. at least we fuck dragons and not camels.

[satansprick13]

@canadianshit212 you can learn it from me.infidel.haow much yu will payer.

[eplemannen]

You forgot to mention that this video was made by the linguist Arne Torp.

[ThomasRowsell]

lol

[TheLostMoonShine]

I like the way he speaks, but I don't really like the way he's acting. I'm learning Old Norse for fun by myself so it's nice to listen to such performance. Sadly I have no one to practice it with me and I forget what I have learned so far quickly.

[CupisHomines]

I could've swore I heard the word "swa" -- as in "swa swa" in Old English. Did that right or am I just imagining things?

And where can I get some info on Old Norse? I'd rather speak Old Norse--being the first European language to reach North America on record -- than crappy, pretentious "English" any day.

[RavenofDenmark]

@CupisHomines

hahaha XD yes there is not much english about english :b

But why dont you learn old english?

[CupisHomines]

@RavenofDenmark I have learnt enough Old English to say Ic eom swa swa and I'm not sure what that means. I'm pretty sure it doesn't make much sense in modern English at all.

[CupisHomines]

@RavenofDenmark oh i'm sure it would be

[TheKNH86]

@CupisHomines I actually have a story outline where that is part of the underlying premise: No conquest of England by the French Normans. Instead, the line of Sweyn Forkbeard (through the son of Canute the Great, Sweyn the 2nd) continues practically unbroken into the late Middle-Ages and beyond.

So learning as much about both the details of that time, and the languages is very useful.

[TheKNH86]

@CupisHomines If William of Normandy had been sunk by a storm, I think English would be more to your liking.

[FaderSemen]

@CupisHomines Dunno where you heard it, but back inte the day of old norse, an Englishman would probably have been able to make himself understood without too much effort in Scandinavia, and vice versa.

[CupisHomines]

@FaderSemen i'm not sure what you're replying to. been too long

[Martinovichy]

Awesome! Now all we need is the poem in reconstructed proto-germanic à la 1000 B.C. or so :-)

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

@Martinovichy

That could be easy.

[ulvhedhnar]

any oher poems from the eddas in proto-norse? this is very interesting. where exactly would proto-norse be taught?

[Keisari70]

There are words in this poem

that are still excacly pronounced

and used in my native laungage

today.

[RavenofDenmark]

@Keisari70

well why not :b

how much do you understand if you just listen to it? no reading

[Idunsdottir]

That sounds like the Anglo Saxon passages I've heard. Very similar anyway.

[RavenofDenmark]

@Idunsdottir

the vikings hadg great influence on the anglo saxon language :b

so anglo saxon and old nordic languages has allot in common ^^

[Idunsdottir]

You do realise that the group of peoples that we call 'The Anglo Saxons' largely came from Northern Germany and Denmark before the Viking age, right? It wasn't the Vikings.

[RavenofDenmark]

@Idunsdottir

well yes. the saxons came to britain long time before the viking age. But in the 500 hundreds, the norse men came and meddled with the saxons, and they became one people. Later on the vikings came and invade england, and some of them stayed. It both events had great influence on the language of the saxons :b

Anglso saxon is mainly known from the 800 - 1100 i think :b so the anglo saxon we have has allot of norse int it =)

[Idunsdottir]

The groups that we came to call Anglo Saxon first began to arrive in 449AD as recorded in the Anglo Saxon chronicle. The Vikings came in 793 and eventually mixed. Most of the Norse linguistic influence centred in northern dialects - the area of the old Danelaw.

[RavenofDenmark]

@Idunsdottir

jeps! :b

in some dialects where there were many danes, they say "bearn" and not "child" :b

but that is just one examples out of many :b

[Idunsdottir]

We also say 'Ta' instead of 'thanks' ;)

[kiurbarra]

@RavenofDenmark

The word bearn for child was in Old English too. That said there's a lot of Norse influence on English: "take", "get", "they", etc.

[aristophron]

It's not difficult to understand why Homer's Odyssey and Iliad weren't conceived, sung and written up north! This video explains the reasons in the most eloquent and articulate way...

[RavenofDenmark]

how?

we just didn´t have much contact with greek people at that time

[aristophron]

Even for the blind ones is obvious that you didn't have any contact with the Greeks at that time. Anyway, long live the North...Keep up the good work!

[joonte1010]

Why would we up north sing and write about greeces? Hahaha. We had our own sagas,

[Lauv]

@aristophron I would pick a scaldic poem over Homer any day. But, whatever floats your boat ;)

[0m12]

This is amazing, did you make these yourself?

[RavenofDenmark]

no, the video is made by a norwegian language proffesor. I just made this version of it (with translation, subtitles and such)

[0m12]

Still, good job.

And haha, is that what Norwegian professors are like? Damn, if only I knew that when first choosing where to go for university. That laugh if psychotic.

[RavenofDenmark]

thanks :D

and yes he is crazy XD

[MaBu888]

Heer habju ik heRtoooooooo!!!!