Chinese claim that their history is 5,000 years. People in Asia have been lived in the region much longer than that; this shows that Chinese are not oldest ones. Korean has written books about its history goes beyond 10,000 years back. According to this book, the Chinese history started from Korea.
@freedomofmymind i'm not against korea coz i'm a korean myself but korea's history is not over 10000 years back. Those nonsensical claims in the hwandangogi aren't even regarded true by korean historians. don't trust that book. it was made during the colonial period to raise esteem
Today, china is the only country that believes goguryeo is chinese, every other country believes it was korean. and AllJoinSomething, by your logic, if in the future some country like russia( just a random example) takes over modern day china, does that make the history of the People's Republic of China Russia's history.
The thing is that everything that the korean people are claiming to be true was always supported by the chinese until very recently, as part of a propaganda, just like with tibet. The ruler was said to be from buyeo, which was also a korean nation (a successor of gojoseon, anther korean nation). The language spoken by people of goguryeo were also widespread in other parts of the korean peninsula.
The world can say Chinese Communists are dirty, but they will say they are clean and they actually believe it. Well... if you don't shower for months and smell like sweat and urine, then, you are considered dirty. Same logic there right Maohammet? lol.
Han Chinese are Southern Asians. There are millions of Koreans still in North East China. Your dumb logic is like saying Mexican history belongs to USA because US took most of the Northern Mexican land. China has nothing to do with the Altaic people, so keep your dumb education which only your country thinks it's right to yourself.
Goguryeo was founded by Jumon, a Tungusic prince. Koreans were only part of the kingdom and did not play leading roles. Since most of Goguryeo is in Manchuria and its leading kings not Korean but Tungusic, it is thereby China's historical legacy, not Korean.
@AllJoinSomething Jumon, founder of Goguryeo, is a Buyeo from Manchuria. He is not even Korean. Since Buyeo is in present day Manchuria, it is therefore part of Chinese history. Yes, Silla and Paekche (which is actually Japanese) are Korean. remember, it was Korean Silla which helped Tang China destroy Goguryeo. Goguryeo is Tungusic in origin, not Korean.
@ryunbin , LOL! Let me wake you up from your dream. First of all, Goguryeo is not Korean, it is tungusic, like Jumon, who is a Buyeo warrior, not Korean. Secondly, Goguryeo's rule never extended into China proper. Why do Koreans like to dream? Is this what happens when you have been bossed by the Chinese and Japanese for long? LMAO!
@kentobi881 You see Ken, China is a concept that encompasses all the races and pepole who settled there. Yes, there were many dynasties that were non Central Plains in origins, but these invaders all accepted the Chinese polity and culture and became Chinese, like the Hsien Pei and Manchus. Korguryeo was never ethnic Korean nor is most of its territory in current day Korea. On the other hand, Silla is clearly Korean. Remember, Silla helped the Tang destroy Koguryeo.
If China is a multi-national nation, then why the struggles against Yi 夷 (Barbarians) throughout Chinese history? Goguryeo spoke similar language to other kingdoms of Korea, secondly, their culture is only reflected in Korea. You know Hanbok? It came from Goguryeo after Gojoseon collapsed. You don't see that in China. China only claims this because of political and social reasons, not historically true in anyway.
@kentobi881 yes, the Chinese state have expanded throughout history. It is the attraction of Hanism that enable China to expand successfully, absorbing the "barbarians along its expanding fringe. That's how a small tribe in the yellow river valley can become the biggest today. Koreans don't have that ability, because you look inward, and Hans outward. It is doubtful Koguryeo spoke Korean as a principal language. And Korean dresses are influenced by Han culture, anyway.
Goguryeo spoke a variant of Buyeo language (Yaemaek). It depends on what dress you talking about. Hanfu was used and modified to the aristocrats while commoners used Hanbok.
@kentobi881 That's my point!!! yes, Korean people are so xenophobic and inward looking, they have to invent grandeur and distort history to make up for their inferiority vis a vis China and Japan. This is evident with all the Altai nonsense that Koreans espouse and Japanese reject.
@kentobi881 like claiming mid autumn festival is Korean. Confucius is Korean, Hanji came from Korea etc. Just look around YT and see the flood of crap from Korean history revisionists.
That's not Korean history revisionist. That's mere propaganda from Chinese themselves. Chinese media rather it's newspaper or tv had published this, just to make fun of Koreans. Koreans never claim this and they did report this to Chinese gov't. They did this to play victim game so that everyone is thinking that we are "stealing" their history. But in reality, they are doing to us = Gojoseon, Goguryeo, etc...
Hence, the Northeast Asian project, to distort history of neighboring countries like Mongolia and Korea. There are also Northwest Asian project that rewrites histories in places like East Turkistan and Southwest Asian Project for Tibet.
Cheon1son or runbik guy don't make any claims that Confucious, etc.. are Korean. Only Chinese does it. Chinese claims our history and our people. My ancestors are from Goguryeo because my last name starts with Go. My ancestors and I are pissed about Chinese claims. They were never chinese, never spoke chinese, etc... only wrote in Hanja, nothing more or less.
Im sure my ancestors were Korean or Manchurian, definitely not Chinese since both weren't sinic. Only chinks are sinic and speak tonal language. Neither does Manchurian or Korean have this. Many Koreans come from Buyeo linerage, the same for Japanese. Japanese came from Baekje.
@kentobi881 On the other hand, Han is not a race or tribe, but a broad description of people who embraced the cultural norms of the Central Plains people. Even a black person can become a Han or she or him decides to do so. Genetically, Hans have very big variations. Chinese are proud of this diversity, but Korean nationalists emphasise the homogenous nature of the Korean race, which breeds racists. This is the difference. In fact, if I abandon my religion today, I become Han.
You know Hanism in China? It breeds well in China/Taiwan today. Chinese nationalists always say they aremulti-culture society but China is only for Huaxia (Han) peoples and culture. Han came from Han dynasty which is thought to be founded by the original Huaxia people who lived in Yellow river basin.
Huaxia or Han can only be representative of culture and customs, nothing more or less. There are no more Han chinese by blood, it's only a concept like I said.
Korea is in fact the most homogeneous society of the world. Han is just a concept, nothing more. Han already mixed with other races for thousands of years. That is why there is no such thing as "Han" Chinese in DNA extracts. It doesn't exist. The reason why Chinese nationalist tried to revive this is because they want to bring back the Huaxia civilization as founder of Chinese civilizations.
@Maohammet Although Goguryeo was diverse, the ruling class wass mostly Koreans from the peninsula. China itself also considered Goguryeo a Korean nation until around the 20 and 21 century
Tungusic isn't Korean because it isn't an ethnicity but a classification. Jumong came from Buyeo which Koreans are said to come from the Yaemaek (Central Manchuria).
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dengzc1971 4 months ago
Chinese claim that their history is 5,000 years. People in Asia have been lived in the region much longer than that; this shows that Chinese are not oldest ones. Korean has written books about its history goes beyond 10,000 years back. According to this book, the Chinese history started from Korea.
freedomofmymind 1 year ago
@freedomofmymind i'm not against korea coz i'm a korean myself but korea's history is not over 10000 years back. Those nonsensical claims in the hwandangogi aren't even regarded true by korean historians. don't trust that book. it was made during the colonial period to raise esteem
kero7642 10 months ago
Korean is the oldest country in the world, and they never rape people who are innocent girls and women.
0354e 1 year ago
Today, china is the only country that believes goguryeo is chinese, every other country believes it was korean. and AllJoinSomething, by your logic, if in the future some country like russia( just a random example) takes over modern day china, does that make the history of the People's Republic of China Russia's history.
ThePhilipkwon 1 year ago
The thing is that everything that the korean people are claiming to be true was always supported by the chinese until very recently, as part of a propaganda, just like with tibet. The ruler was said to be from buyeo, which was also a korean nation (a successor of gojoseon, anther korean nation). The language spoken by people of goguryeo were also widespread in other parts of the korean peninsula.
ThePhilipkwon 1 year ago
Koreans were never powerul. stop stealing manchu history dumb asses. Manchus/manchurians aren't gooks.
TyraBanksNo1 1 year ago
The world can say Chinese Communists are dirty, but they will say they are clean and they actually believe it. Well... if you don't shower for months and smell like sweat and urine, then, you are considered dirty. Same logic there right Maohammet? lol.
ryunbaik 1 year ago
Han Chinese are Southern Asians. There are millions of Koreans still in North East China. Your dumb logic is like saying Mexican history belongs to USA because US took most of the Northern Mexican land. China has nothing to do with the Altaic people, so keep your dumb education which only your country thinks it's right to yourself.
ryunbaik 1 year ago
Goguryeo was founded by Jumon, a Tungusic prince. Koreans were only part of the kingdom and did not play leading roles. Since most of Goguryeo is in Manchuria and its leading kings not Korean but Tungusic, it is thereby China's historical legacy, not Korean.
Maohammet 2 years ago
no u retard, koreans were the owner of the northern china, then china came along and fucking stole all the land
AllJoinSomething 1 year ago
@AllJoinSomething Jumon, founder of Goguryeo, is a Buyeo from Manchuria. He is not even Korean. Since Buyeo is in present day Manchuria, it is therefore part of Chinese history. Yes, Silla and Paekche (which is actually Japanese) are Korean. remember, it was Korean Silla which helped Tang China destroy Goguryeo. Goguryeo is Tungusic in origin, not Korean.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet Goguryeo(korea)came first before Qing Dynasty(china)so obviously koreans are the original owner of the land not china.
ryunbin 1 year ago
@ryunbin , LOL! Let me wake you up from your dream. First of all, Goguryeo is not Korean, it is tungusic, like Jumon, who is a Buyeo warrior, not Korean. Secondly, Goguryeo's rule never extended into China proper. Why do Koreans like to dream? Is this what happens when you have been bossed by the Chinese and Japanese for long? LMAO!
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
It's like the same thing you can say to China since most of its dynasties were foreign ruled or non-Han rule.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 You see Ken, China is a concept that encompasses all the races and pepole who settled there. Yes, there were many dynasties that were non Central Plains in origins, but these invaders all accepted the Chinese polity and culture and became Chinese, like the Hsien Pei and Manchus. Korguryeo was never ethnic Korean nor is most of its territory in current day Korea. On the other hand, Silla is clearly Korean. Remember, Silla helped the Tang destroy Koguryeo.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
If China is a multi-national nation, then why the struggles against Yi 夷 (Barbarians) throughout Chinese history? Goguryeo spoke similar language to other kingdoms of Korea, secondly, their culture is only reflected in Korea. You know Hanbok? It came from Goguryeo after Gojoseon collapsed. You don't see that in China. China only claims this because of political and social reasons, not historically true in anyway.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 yes, the Chinese state have expanded throughout history. It is the attraction of Hanism that enable China to expand successfully, absorbing the "barbarians along its expanding fringe. That's how a small tribe in the yellow river valley can become the biggest today. Koreans don't have that ability, because you look inward, and Hans outward. It is doubtful Koguryeo spoke Korean as a principal language. And Korean dresses are influenced by Han culture, anyway.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Goguryeo spoke a variant of Buyeo language (Yaemaek). It depends on what dress you talking about. Hanfu was used and modified to the aristocrats while commoners used Hanbok.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@Maohammet
A small tribe that swallowed other foreign tribes. Korean (Chosun) tribes were homogeneous throughout thousands of years.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 That's my point!!! yes, Korean people are so xenophobic and inward looking, they have to invent grandeur and distort history to make up for their inferiority vis a vis China and Japan. This is evident with all the Altai nonsense that Koreans espouse and Japanese reject.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
What distorted history? Tell me about it.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 like claiming mid autumn festival is Korean. Confucius is Korean, Hanji came from Korea etc. Just look around YT and see the flood of crap from Korean history revisionists.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
That's not Korean history revisionist. That's mere propaganda from Chinese themselves. Chinese media rather it's newspaper or tv had published this, just to make fun of Koreans. Koreans never claim this and they did report this to Chinese gov't. They did this to play victim game so that everyone is thinking that we are "stealing" their history. But in reality, they are doing to us = Gojoseon, Goguryeo, etc...
kentobi881 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Hence, the Northeast Asian project, to distort history of neighboring countries like Mongolia and Korea. There are also Northwest Asian project that rewrites histories in places like East Turkistan and Southwest Asian Project for Tibet.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Chinese Media At it Again, Another Fake Article on Korea....last month, a new report claims that Korea is stealing Li Bai...
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 No, check out Youtube, most of the videos are posted by Koreans. Check out this guy call Cheon1son and ryunbaik etc
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Cheon1son or runbik guy don't make any claims that Confucious, etc.. are Korean. Only Chinese does it. Chinese claims our history and our people. My ancestors are from Goguryeo because my last name starts with Go. My ancestors and I are pissed about Chinese claims. They were never chinese, never spoke chinese, etc... only wrote in Hanja, nothing more or less.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 then your ancestors are not Korean. LOL!
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Im sure my ancestors were Korean or Manchurian, definitely not Chinese since both weren't sinic. Only chinks are sinic and speak tonal language. Neither does Manchurian or Korean have this. Many Koreans come from Buyeo linerage, the same for Japanese. Japanese came from Baekje.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 On the other hand, Han is not a race or tribe, but a broad description of people who embraced the cultural norms of the Central Plains people. Even a black person can become a Han or she or him decides to do so. Genetically, Hans have very big variations. Chinese are proud of this diversity, but Korean nationalists emphasise the homogenous nature of the Korean race, which breeds racists. This is the difference. In fact, if I abandon my religion today, I become Han.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
You know Hanism in China? It breeds well in China/Taiwan today. Chinese nationalists always say they aremulti-culture society but China is only for Huaxia (Han) peoples and culture. Han came from Han dynasty which is thought to be founded by the original Huaxia people who lived in Yellow river basin.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@kentobi881 that is exactly the point. Han is the culture, and Han is representative of it.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Huaxia or Han can only be representative of culture and customs, nothing more or less. There are no more Han chinese by blood, it's only a concept like I said.
kentobi881 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Korea is in fact the most homogeneous society of the world. Han is just a concept, nothing more. Han already mixed with other races for thousands of years. That is why there is no such thing as "Han" Chinese in DNA extracts. It doesn't exist. The reason why Chinese nationalist tried to revive this is because they want to bring back the Huaxia civilization as founder of Chinese civilizations.
kentobi881 1 year ago
and how do u think that goguryeo is chinese, retard go study goguryeo in wikipedia
AllJoinSomething 1 year ago
@Maohammet Although Goguryeo was diverse, the ruling class wass mostly Koreans from the peninsula. China itself also considered Goguryeo a Korean nation until around the 20 and 21 century
ThePhilipkwon 1 year ago
@ThePhilipkwon Not really, the founder Jumon is a Buyeo, which is Tungusic rather than Korean.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Tungusic isn't Korean because it isn't an ethnicity but a classification. Jumong came from Buyeo which Koreans are said to come from the Yaemaek (Central Manchuria).
kentobi881 1 year ago