liberals and labour are just the same, they do the same shit. it dosen't matter what it is it's done the same every time. liberals and labour suck obamas cock at the same time. anybody who votes for them wont to suck on his cock as well
Bad Luck Hockey,I hope they side shift you out the door,you are a no good shifty piece of shit, go and have a cry....then start kissing your boss's arse.....hang on! G'Day Malcolm Turnbull.Goodbye Tony!
If there's any shameless con going on .. it's the Fab 4 .. Phoney Tony, Blubber-Boy Joe, Evil-Eye Bishop, & Joh the 2nd Barnaby Joyce. Oh, and I forget, better add on a 5th idiot .. poor old Andrew Robb .. an outdated, obsolete piece of wasted space if ever there was one in Aust. Politics. Seriously though folks .. this diatribe by Big Fat Joe here, is just a shambles .. dreadful. Voters are sick to death of this crap from BOTH SIDES .. you GOT THAT !! Be ready for a high informal vote.
ONE THING IS FOR SURE......ANY GOVERNMENT THAT MENTIONS 'CLIMATE CHANGE'....ETS....CARBON TAX....SUPER MINING TAX.....will self destruct and it's very clear now, the above mentioned is pure poison!
@Pivano70 similar foreasts but not just in relation to fiscal policy but monetary policies/goals and how it effects the domestic as well as economies around the world
@pivano70 What do you think of politicians and thier ''sound bites?,dont you just hate them,all sides of politics use this as a tool of rhetoric and it pisses me off,what about you?
@fenderboy88 : Couldn't agree with you more, sport !! All the current crop of politicians .. from all the parties .. should hang their heads in shame. Voters are sick to death of their spin, their cowardice, their lack of guts, courage, leadership .. & most of all their patronising gall to treat us as idiots. I'm seriously considering voting deliberately informal this election .. with a pre-prepared stick-on note of protest & anger for all of these clowns.
@colindominy The days when Australian politics was about conviction,courage and real substance has now being taken over by the 24 hour news cycle and quick 10 second grabs.
''great big new tax'' and ''moving forward'',how about more detail Australian politics has gone U.S style.
It started with Kevin07,people were stupid enough[including me] that Kevin Rudd had magical powers,he promised this he promised that beware when a politician makes promises.
OK, greenhouse gases trap heat radiating from the Earth's surface. Solar radiation is what heats up the Earth's surface. So really, using sulphur to filter solar radiation would mean overcast like weather. I would think that this needs to be on a global level to be effective...otherwise it would actually enhance the greenhouse effect.
@adenowa3232 Tax concessions are after big picture effects. That's why they're called macroeconomic policies. That therefore makes them less predictable, because companies can utilise the saving in many different ways.
I would be reluctant to give individuals tax breaks...maybe just to keep them happy. Well, you can't have deflation, so something has to keep up demand.
@adenowa3232 Well, the States did all the nuts and bolts for the educ. scheme I think. Anyway, Uni's are run and funded by Federal.
Didn't Labor conform to a 2% GDP spending cap? Look, I think their spending was conservative considering they are social democrats. They still have to delivery at least part of their promises. If it were me, I would provide more tax concessions rather than spend more. You?
@pivano70 I wouldn't be so sure about that. States would have definitely had an input but that is not the issue frankly. It is a federal program, therefore it is developed administered and organised etc by the federal government. Its a basic political principle says that, its like ministerial responsibility, the Rudd government cannot avoid accountability for the scheme. If it had succeeded they would be waiving it around as a victory, if it goes under then it is their heads that roll .
@pivano70 The recent budget is apparently fairly conservative, it is the tax issues that have now taken the forefront. Umm I would definitely be cutting spending on many/all non-essential programs, I would be reluctant to cut education spending but I would if necessary. Well tax concessions reduce revenue in the same way as spending, and it is less predictable. I wouldn't be increasing tax concessions, I'd probably cut back some considering our current debt.
@adenowa3232 Yes but tax concessions I think more effectively stimulate the free market than Govt spending. I would cut spending on unessential things too, but keep good initiatives already in place. Actually I think raising excise on fuel and funding alternative/renewable energy would be the best long term reform to save our planet, but that's just me. I like reform and change, it keeps life, you know, interesting...and can increase standard of living and welfare. Screw the free market only.
@pivano70 You cant rule out ''geoengineering to cool the earth,even Tim Flannery who is probably one of Australias most respected scientists have advocated sending sulphur aerosols into the sky blocking the sun.
Sulphur Dioxide as it turns out is very good at scattering light.
Actually I think in regional areas you can go to any public school you want. I don't recall that I HAD TO go to a particular public school due to a geographical zone in which I lived.
@adenowa3232 Well if he had good intentions, why not give him a second chance? Seriously, like Gough Whitlam, Labor can change Australia for the better. It's just that they won't hit the jackpot everytime so to speak. If you vote conservative, then you're obviously happy with they way things are. I'm sure you are earning thousands of dollars a year not to care. Sorry for being presumptuous
@pivano70 Well because good intentions aren't enough. My little sister has fantastic intentions but I'm not going to vote her into office either. I think its about integrity, its about ability its about putting the country before you're own aspirations, Rudd lacks on all accounts. He had his chance and he has just tried to do too much and the execution of a lot of this stuff has just been ridiculous. I'm not conservative I'm a moderate, I voted labor in the past. I will never vote for Rudd.
@adenowa3232 So you would have actually voted out Gough Whitlam if you had the chance? I think Rudd is a good PM, not just someone with good intentions. I think he has a lot on his plate...put yourself in his shoes. Can you imagine the pressure? I'll admit he has a big ego, that's probably one of his flaws. Anyway, why would you trust the Liberals not to come up with something like Workchoices again? Sorry for assuming you were conservative btw. Not good to be one in Australia lol. Sit on fence
@pivano70 Good conversation in the end Paul. Gonna go watch the Tennis. All I ask is that you focus on the policies and don't judge a party by personality of leaders or by what they call themselves lib or lab etc. That really doesn't matter. It is their performance that matters, peoples lives are at stake this election.
@pivano70 Conservatives do not always oppose change, but they are generally alot more cautious about it. They have more respect for tested institutions and ways of thinking. Anyway I will not talk about my income, I think that would be inappropriate.
Ok true. A tax on the mining sector won't encourage investment in the short term. But that's just based on shareholder irrationality and mob mentality. Labor is about prospective LONG TERM objectives, not winning capitalists' votes.
And can I repeat that I'm not necessarily a supporter of Labor. I don't agree with them on everything
OK people have obviously got it all wrong. I'll admit that the government is finding it difficult to make dumb down analogies and explain their policies in layman terms...it's hard. However, regardless of how it's explained, the tax on the mining sector will increase efficiency ON THE MINING SECTOR and will not lower investment and increase prices - in the long term. I don't want to explain why because I'm sick of doing the thinking for other people.
@pivano70 I agree with you in some respects, but you fail consider the context. This is a public announcement, not an econ lecture. If he did not simplify the issue he wouldn't be doing his job properly as a public spokesman. Hockey makes a valid point by showing that on the one hand the government recognises that taxing cigarettes will discourage smoking however they will not recognise properly that taxing mining profits will discourage investment in the short term. Damn these YT character lmts
READ THIS: Despite what Joe Hockey ignorantly deduced, a tax on super profits *IS* good for the mining sector in the LONG TERM. Who wants me to explain?
I initially thought that Labor's intention was to transfer wealth from the big mining companies to the small innovative sunrise mining companies through the tax system, but then it hit me...
@pivano70 Of course it is good in the long term. The fact is that the government is NOT tying to save the mining industry, it is trying to save itself. The tax can be justified in various and convincing ways but that does not defeat the fact that this is at its core another pre-election cash grab. The most damaging aspect of this policy is the uncertainty that it has created in the international market, as if having a man like Rudd at the helm does not create enough uncertainty in itself.
Question: how did the mining boom and Howard's policies prevent our economy from plunging into recession when we experienced a quarter period of negative economic growth before stimulus spending?
FYI, if there had been a second consecutive quarter of negative growth we would have been in recession by definition.
@pivano70 Regarding your question on Howard below, the answer is simple. By building a surplus. If you cannot appreciate the positive impact that Howard economic policy had on this country, then I think you are blinded by your partisanship. It's obvious that stimulus spending was an effective short term solution, that is not debatable, but the level of it is. The real issue is the long term effect of that type of spending, and without considering that, yeah it's great policy.
@adenowa3232 I'm sorry, surplus in 3 years is not that bad considering. The reason why the Govt overspent was because it was TOO effective. I guess they didn't consider the multiplier effect properly.
@pivano70 I'm assuming you meant "not that good". Yeah yeah of course Howard had some help from the econ conditions during those years, it was the way in which it was directed with solid conservative econ policy which was the triumph. They were extremely successful, most people, even people within the Labor party recognise this.
@adenowa3232 The current gov have wasted billions on ridiculous programs and the cost will damage us for many years to come. Should I list them out? Should we count out the wasted $? Rudd is a walking disaster. If he doesn't do something drastic soon he may very well go down in history as the worst PM we have ever elected. It really is laughable that he has any chance to be re-elected, but I have faith that Australians are waking up to his ineptitude.
@adenowa3232 OK that comment was unnecessary. Howard "garage selling" Telstra to clear Govt debt was not great alright. And if you think that being saved from a recession is a disaster then you need help. Rudd's programs didn't work out so well because of the free market being irresponsible, not the Govt.
@pivano70 1. Selling telstra was good policy at the time, if you really knew economics you would easily see that 2. Rudd didn't save anything, stimulus was an obvious move and besides that he misdirected and over shot the mark anyway. 3. Free market is a factor in any gov program, not just poor old Ruddy's. That is a trite excuse. Good policy takes such factors into account and takes the relevant precaution. No instead Rudd rushes things and ends up pissing money away and making little gains.
@adenowa3232 No it wasn't good because it still created a monopoly...don't tell me I don't know my economics mate, unless you've got a university major/masters in it. Liberals would NOT have done stimulus spending...despite it being an obvious move. And Liberal's policy is to not rather spend, so it doesn't really compare. Btw, the insulation program was a supply side stimulus to counter inflation (what I'm deducing from my economics background only). Yes, I don't know alot of the policy facts.
@pivano70 Ok well I expected a better comeback than that frankly. I'm not discounting your education, I do think u r clouded by your own partisanship. They opposed Rudd's stimulus package in that form, not stimulating the economy as a general concept. This is the same overgeneralising that occurred with regard to the CPRS. The libs didn't oppose action on climate change they opposed Rudd's extreme market based approach. Libs policy is not to spend? that is terribly oversimplifying the issue.
@adenowa3232 Yes it was weak but that's because frankly I'm not knowledgeable of the political world...only theories and logic.
Well, the impression I got during question time was that they were opposed to the aggregate demand stimulus. And yes, they'll be cutting vital spending, eg EDUCATION
@pivano70 I'm not trying to argue down your every point pivano. Like I said in my first post, I agree with some of your thoughts. In regard to education spending, my god have you read about the way the building the edu revolustion scheme has been administered? It is just unbelievable. This was a Rudd program that I was actually excited about and what happenned? It is going down in flames. I cant go through details here due to this damn character limit. Anyway, I agree that education is paramount
@pivano70 Sometimes governments have to make difficult and harsh decisions. Good governments make those decisions even when they are not popular. So will the Libs cut spending? I hope so because we are in a hell of a lot of debt. Apply your logic to that. What would you do. Yet this ridiculous government continue to spend and not just spend but flush money away through poorly administering these overzealous programs that are built up in the mind of the biggest ego in Aust political history.
@pivano70 Cont. Yeah the insul scheme was supply side stimulus ... so what. Of course it had the effect of curbing inflation, but was that its purpose? No. It was an environmental program pivano, and it was an inexcusable disaster in policy and execution. INEXCUSABLE. As you would well know there are many other ways to curb inflation... many of which probably don't result in setting Australian's ceilings on fire.
@adenowa3232 The G.S.T was good reform[im only starting to recognise this now] because it replaced a whole lot of other taxes.
Its a shame that the state governments have used G.S.T revenue so recklessly.Theres an argument floating around to abolish state governments because some people view them as being waste
@fenderboy88 I think there is definitely a place for state governments in Australia's future. The problems you refer to I think are better addressed by reevaluating perhaps the separation of powers in some areas and to basically elect better public servants in the suffering institutions. To put it simply it is mainly the people that are operating within the system that are the problem, not the system itself. Major government restructuring is a very risky move, it should be a last resort.
@adenowa3232 As a leaning Libertarian i am not a fan of government force,its only justified in very extreme cases otherwise people should be generally left alone.
Howard could of being better but he did do some good things,his first term was the bumpiest but he achieved a lot during that time [which came at a political cost] he almost lost in 1998.
@fenderboy88 We have to define exactly what we mean by 'force' before the conversation will make sense. I believe in small government so I basically agree with you. However I am also a realist and I recognise that there are times when people, especially in large groups, do need guidance and of course law. Without force there is no enforcement and without enforcement there can be no effective law. Without law there is chaos.
@adenowa3232 I have a big problem with ''activist governments''.Regrettably i voted for Rudd in 2007 so the jokes partly on me as well[ i was more to the left back then] you know.
Its also laughable when Rudd called himself a ''fiscal conservative'' in 2007,yeah right Rudd in a speech he gave was quoted to have being critical of free market economist F.A Hayek.
@fenderboy88 Well vote for Independents or something if you don't like Labor now. Trust me, Liberals will make everything depressing. They'll cut spending on education :O
@pivano70 I would rather vote for a Libertarian candidate,the Liberals arent really that much better than labor,honestly its time that Australias two party system gets reviewed.
Its okay for the UK to have a third party but not Oz.
@pivano70 I take it that your opposed to school vouchers,i say let parents choose what schools they want to send thier kids to and not have government telling parents that they can only send thier kids to public schools in there area only which im my view is statist progressive policy.
@pivano70 What do you mean''compassion....:LOL how can government be compassionate,government is an institution that takes and is defined by FORCE,how can an institution that uses force be compassionate?
@fenderboy88 And no, the LAW has force, not the government. Sure the legislature (Parliament) passes legislation, but we vote for the people in Parliament and we also have the judiciary (courts) and the executive (monarch and ministers/administration). OK, executive and parliament is intertwined, but still.
@fenderboy88 Personally, I like the Medicare system, if that's what you mean. When I start earning big I'll definitely take out private health insurance to avoid the medicare levy surcharge and take advantage of the 30% rebate.
I don't think "equal" healthcare for everyone will go down well in a mixed economy. Maybe in a command economy.
@pivano70 Well I definitely think manual bookkeeping is more boring, but I will actually be doing an accounting major aswell as tax. Mainly for career prospects of course. Accounting theory/standards isn't as bad as the practice. I would like to study economics in more depth, but fear it's not as prospective as a finance degree and probably difficult in terms of maths
@pivano70 Na i actually didnt do it, i went the economics pathway, in which did not involved econometrics. More forecasting as well as statistics - using formulars to make predictions, etc
@pivano70 Universal healthcare has its problems,it sounds nice when government provides free health care but you have to take innovation into account.
Americas health care system is generally disfunctional but it also has really good doctors,medical innovation and technology.
@pivano70 Obamas passed financial regulation in America already,might do more harm than good.
I also find it funny that Bush and Obama claimed that there baliout and stimulus was meant to''save capitalism'',regulation weakens capitalism in my opinion,it doesnt make it stronger
@pivano70 It's a vicious cycle. Greed is the root cause of capitalism fall out, but the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates to 1%...which is not exactly free market and encourages investors to find more profitable (dodgy) means of investment. Watch The Crisis of Credit Visualized...awesome video.
@pav023 At least under Hawke and Keating HECS wasnt that much of a big deal because HECS was lower then,but Howard increased it and i dont think Rudd even cares about lowering them.
@pivano70Government being ''moral'' sounds nice but it also goes against process.Whenever i hear terms like''compassionate conservative'' or government taking a stand i say GIVE ME A BREAK.
Its political rhetoric to expect government to be compassionate.The Free market is about process and results and thats how government should run,being compassionate is just anothers opinion
Ken Henry said that the mining super profits tax won't affect the cost of living. He based this conclusion (I think partly) on what he learned in economics at school.
Well, I deduced that ages ago just using simple logic. It's not even Economics 101!
To all Liberals: get over the mining super profits tax! Just because you're getting funded by mining companies to oppose this doesn't mean you should berate Labor for being what they are - social democrats. The proposed tax concessions, such as the 2% company tax rate cut, will make up for it anyway.
Btw, I'm not a Labor "supporter" and I'm not suggesting that they've always effectively redistributed wealth/reallocated resources. So yeah, shut the fcuk up!
@fenderboy88 Also, stimulus spending is only a "fallacy" when the government, in an economic downswing impending recession, raises taxes at the same time to finance the action...obviously.
@fenderboy88 Don't forget about the multiplier effect.
Govt debt/deficit aside, the stimulus spending (effectively consumer spending) IS what saved our economy from a "recession". This short term government action really was necessary to save jobs.
Btw, if you saved most of your money there wouldn't be much of an economy would there? In any case, one role of Government is to CUSHION the free market economic cycle through monetary and FISCAL policy.
"The government is also playing with the figures. They're bringing forward some areas of expenditure so they can claim that they're only increasing expenditure by 2%." WTF are u on about you thick failure? L2 play the game, not to crash and burn and follow a twit like Tony Abbot
Libfags are bad, Abbot and hockey are terrible failures, listen carefully:
They're saying that With new cigarette taxes, fewer people will smoke, but with the new mining tax, there's going to be more investment in resources- their logic is flawed" How does the new cigarette tax have anything to do with the new mining tax? To link the two is downright retarded.
What a joke. Hockey has no credibility and his manner is angery and vindictive. He lies and spins shamelessly and then attacks his opponents for the same thing. He is a servant of the mining bosses and banks and crazy neo-lib/cons who want to tuen us into another American state :P
Hey Hockey! your a wanker!. So is Howard, So is every Liberal. No one cares about your point of view, because your a NOTHING! from a HASBEEN party!. So shut up, get back to eating doughnuts, backstabbing fellow party members and peddling the IR and Workchoices that will NEVER come to be in Australia!.
I urge everyone to listen to this stupid bastards grandstand, he cant even string the sentance together because he's reading some spin Dr's speech!! Your full of shit, just like Howard and his COWARDS. I told you Hockey, that at every turn, every corner of the Internet I'll attack you and Libs for what you did to Australia. So get used to reading my posts you useless waste. EVERYONE KNOWS you were behind the backstabbing of your former leader of the opposition. So dont try playing Mr nice.
@cunnamullafalla wow you sound a bit psycho, calm down man. I don't expect much from people on youtube but you should at least pretend to want to be taken seriously.
@1CaptainAustralia1 Oh I assure you, I AM serious and Hockey knows it! He knows me very well because I send him mail all the time to his office. Like I said I am not going to let the Lib criminals ever forget their time in power when Howard the coward was in power. It will be a cold day in hell when they see Gov again.
@cunnamullafalla lol if that reply was you trying to show that you're not indeed a psycho it didn't help your case. I'm sure he enjoys all your letters...
@1CaptainAustralia1 Maybe I am psycho! all the more reason for those wankers to be on the toes. They seem to think its funny treating us like idiots, but who looked like the idiot when they lost Gov? and not just lost it, but got blasted back into the stone age. I pride myself on telling everyone i meet what dogs the Libs are with Howard at the top of that pile followed by Hockey. it worked a treat last election and everyone at my work hated Howard.. THATS how much Im going after them.
@cunnamullafalla Blasted back to the stone age? They're back ahead of Labor in the polls when Rudd hasn't even finished one term yet after being in opposition for 11 years. Pity the mandatory internet filter isn't one of their only major policies that hasn't ended up being the subject of an investigation or been cancelled yet. Oh and "but who looked like the idiot when they lost Gov?" The average Australian voter, and a lot of them are admitting that with hindsight.
@1CaptainAustralia1 Sorry i dont know what your talking about Rudd is still towering over the Libs and the polls show that clearly, so again I'll see you and all the Lib idiots come voting day when who ever the hell is leading that useless party and my guess is Hockey will have backstabbed the current wanker who's in power and taken that seat, loosing the election again.
@cunnamullafalla no, sorry mate. You don't read the news do you? Liberals are ahead in two party preferred, and are ahead in the marginal seats where it really matters too. Coalition would have won if an election was held in the last few weeks. Labor support is collapsing like a house of cards, and so is Labor voters patience for Rudd. Remember what you said about backstabbing, you'll be in for a surprise soon. Also just curious, are you 14 years old or are you just drunk?
@1CaptainAustralia1 It is YOU who doesnt read the news! first off the polls don't reflect SHIT and everyone knows that BUT if you want to play the polls game PLEASE DO and note in todays news is states the voters ARE turing away from Lab but NOT to the Libs! rather to third party parties! So please dont waste my time with your bullshit spin! im one step ahead of you! and YES i am 14 dickhead! and clearly as a 14 year old im giving you and Libs a run for your money.
@cunnamullafalla ah, that was a good guess then wasn't it. Just for your information, Labor has generally lost votes to the Greens over the ETS and votes to the Coalition over their long list of failures, all reflected in the polls. Now go away you angry child, you're not doing Labor any favours by being an immature loudmouth posting insults on youtube you know. Go and read what you've been posting and ask yourself how you must look to everyone else.
@1CaptainAustralia1 thank you for being so polite. All jokes aside, i have very real and personal reasons to hate the Libs and Howard era and I'll attack them at every corner because of those personal reasons. No Australian should work two decades and with the stroke of a pen be robbed of their Super as I was. So for me its very personal, and nothings will stop me hammering them non stop.
@cunnamullafalla I'd love to know how much superannuation you have at 14 years of age, or how the Liberal party is responsible for it being "robbed" from you if you were just lying about your age for some reason. Interesting story I'm sure, forgive me for not believing a word you say...
@1CaptainAustralia1 Mate You've got to be joking me! You dont actually BELIEVE im 14 do you? are you STUPID ? seriously are you? I mean go back and look at details i have put here and on everyone place i find the Libs in youtube, and ask yourself if you really think I'm 14. You know what? Im so glad the Libs have people like YOU on their side!.. Next election is Rudds!
@cunnamullafalla why wouldn't I think you're 14 when you sound like a 14 year old? Either way you're a complete nutcase, calm down before you smash your keyboard to pieces or something.
@cunnamullafalla Howard made a lot of lives harder. Ordinary people, especially poor people, the kind Howard and the Liberal Party would find alien. Education became more expensive and income support harder to aquire and maintain despite being legitimately entitled. The single parent benifit was scrapped. The GST pushed up the cost of living. The Libs are sort on emphathy for anyone dissimular to themselves; and theyre still drastically out of touch.
@Tuathalful Since when is it governments job to ''bring down the cost of living'',that is rhetoric.
Let markets do thier job and stop having government interfer,when i hear politicians promising to ''bring down petrol prices'' or ''eaze the squeeze'' i say ''GIVE ME A BREAK.
If there is one thing ive learned is that people expect too much of politicians,they vote for them thinking they are getting Superman or something or even worse ''the messiah''
@fenderboy88 I take it you believe in a free market? It sounds great and sure it has resulted in great growth but at what cost? perhaps politicians are not supermen but what are they if not the glue holding the country together. You forget that the legislation they pass ultimately effects the way that the country functions and to an extent also the world. It is stupid to suggest that it is even possible for the government to not have any involvement in the market.
@denn0088 True Capitalism is an economy free of ''political control'',you seem to lean towards a mixed economy like most people do.
You seem to lean heavily towards ''crony capitalism'' or as i like to call it ''half assed capitalism where you have business leeching off government welfare,the rich are a true example of ''welfare queens''.
Politicians are not what ''holds the country together its the market.
@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system,using force to go after people that do harm to others especially killers but also having a strong navy,army and air defence,that pretty much all the government can do.
@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system,using force to go after people that do harm to others especially killers but also having a strong navy,army and air defence.
@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system and using force to go after people that do harm to others
@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system and using force to go after people that do harm to others
Oh Ive heard enough you useless FAT WASTE OF SPACE!. Id rather see millions spent on the asylum seekers and work towards a solution, rather that HOWARDS way of spendinig hundreds of millions boosting his parties agenda on the subject and even MORE on Lawyers who had to defend the Libs after the Dr Hannif mess up. So dont lecture Australian on wasted money. EVERY DOLLAR your paid is wasted tax Hockey! You'll NEVER see Government.
Hockey & Abbot are the clowns of politics. Whats these jokers know about economics is not worth knowing!! Liberals loss all credibility when they voted out Turnbull. Howard & Costello they are not, unfortunately.
@tegra1 "Liberals loss all credibility when they voted out Turnbull", yeah maybe to rusted on Labor voters or people who'll probably vote Greens anyway, who cares. I'd rather have a real Liberal party and strong opposition than someone selling the party's soul to get into government. What's the point heading towards turning the party into another Labor to get rid of a Labor government?
Joe - the government made their promises before they even knew of the GFC so get off their backs when they can't keep some of the promises they have made.
Joe - the opposition you work for, instead of siding with the Government on the insulation issue, put the boot in for vote grabs.
Joe - the worst mistake you made was help stand Malcom Turnbul down as leader. The opposition would have stood a much better chance of winning this up coming election.
Good on you Abbott, appeal to the average Joe's hip-pocket nerve. Labor policies are usually very complex, but well thought out. They may not be good for the short term, but are good for the LONG TERM. They are PROSPECTIVE
@pivano70 Can you name some of these "well thought out" policies? I'd go to the Labor website to find out for myself but they've removed them for some reason, gee I wonder why. There's only a few of the major ones left that haven't either been dropped or being investigated for rorting and wasting money, with half their budget now being put aside to fix up the result of rushed and poor planning in the case of the insulation scheme. Do you think we'll look back and say we got value for money?
@1CaptainAustralia1 I was referring to policies in general or major strategies. Some didn't all go to plan (noone is perfect), but their policy intentions and the way they work are somewhat beyond most people's comprehension. Usually the more complex something is, the more that can go wrong. However, simplicity can also create room for error too.
@1CaptainAustralia1 What you referred to above (eg. insulation scheme) was caused by the malpractice of the free market, not the government. Ultimately, the free market should be responsible.
@pivano70 no, It was the result of creating a situation where the competition of the free market that makes it more self regulating was thrown aside for a free for all cash grab whre any cowboy can take a piece. Simple tender processes like with most other government work would have made sure that didn't happen. Garrett warned Rudd about these problems by the way, but Rudd refuses to release the letters.
liberals and labour are just the same, they do the same shit. it dosen't matter what it is it's done the same every time. liberals and labour suck obamas cock at the same time. anybody who votes for them wont to suck on his cock as well
jacksonshakur 10 months ago
Submit your private members bill sloppy joe, your party is a joke. the best thing it could do is get rid of the Mad Monk and start again
user24Jerricho 1 year ago
Bad Luck Hockey,I hope they side shift you out the door,you are a no good shifty piece of shit, go and have a cry....then start kissing your boss's arse.....hang on! G'Day Malcolm Turnbull.Goodbye Tony!
Wallabytrack 1 year ago
war criminal.fucking pig!!
romegenerals 1 year ago
If there's any shameless con going on .. it's the Fab 4 .. Phoney Tony, Blubber-Boy Joe, Evil-Eye Bishop, & Joh the 2nd Barnaby Joyce. Oh, and I forget, better add on a 5th idiot .. poor old Andrew Robb .. an outdated, obsolete piece of wasted space if ever there was one in Aust. Politics. Seriously though folks .. this diatribe by Big Fat Joe here, is just a shambles .. dreadful. Voters are sick to death of this crap from BOTH SIDES .. you GOT THAT !! Be ready for a high informal vote.
colindominy 1 year ago
ONE THING IS FOR SURE......ANY GOVERNMENT THAT MENTIONS 'CLIMATE CHANGE'....ETS....CARBON TAX....SUPER MINING TAX.....will self destruct and it's very clear now, the above mentioned is pure poison!
Rudd always was a dud.
MRMILO57 1 year ago
Thank heaven's for Joe Hockey!!!
steigerpower 1 year ago
Come on Joe; you can't even get your head around simple percentages. You'd have a coronary at the sight of simple x's and y's on a blackboard.
MrHempenhomespun 1 year ago
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Great - No Bs with PK
pav023 1 year ago
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pav023 1 year ago
@Pivano70 similar foreasts but not just in relation to fiscal policy but monetary policies/goals and how it effects the domestic as well as economies around the world
pav023 1 year ago
Why can't they send up things to catch carbon dioxide? That would be more sensible than mankind polluting the atmosphere on purpose.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 What do you think of politicians and thier ''sound bites?,dont you just hate them,all sides of politics use this as a tool of rhetoric and it pisses me off,what about you?
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 : Couldn't agree with you more, sport !! All the current crop of politicians .. from all the parties .. should hang their heads in shame. Voters are sick to death of their spin, their cowardice, their lack of guts, courage, leadership .. & most of all their patronising gall to treat us as idiots. I'm seriously considering voting deliberately informal this election .. with a pre-prepared stick-on note of protest & anger for all of these clowns.
colindominy 1 year ago
@colindominy The days when Australian politics was about conviction,courage and real substance has now being taken over by the 24 hour news cycle and quick 10 second grabs.
''great big new tax'' and ''moving forward'',how about more detail Australian politics has gone U.S style.
It started with Kevin07,people were stupid enough[including me] that Kevin Rudd had magical powers,he promised this he promised that beware when a politician makes promises.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
OK, greenhouse gases trap heat radiating from the Earth's surface. Solar radiation is what heats up the Earth's surface. So really, using sulphur to filter solar radiation would mean overcast like weather. I would think that this needs to be on a global level to be effective...otherwise it would actually enhance the greenhouse effect.
pivano70 1 year ago
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@adenowa3232 Tax concessions are after big picture effects. That's why they're called macroeconomic policies. That therefore makes them less predictable, because companies can utilise the saving in many different ways.
pivano70 1 year ago
I would be reluctant to give individuals tax breaks...maybe just to keep them happy. Well, you can't have deflation, so something has to keep up demand.
pivano70 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 Well, the States did all the nuts and bolts for the educ. scheme I think. Anyway, Uni's are run and funded by Federal.
Didn't Labor conform to a 2% GDP spending cap? Look, I think their spending was conservative considering they are social democrats. They still have to delivery at least part of their promises. If it were me, I would provide more tax concessions rather than spend more. You?
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 I wouldn't be so sure about that. States would have definitely had an input but that is not the issue frankly. It is a federal program, therefore it is developed administered and organised etc by the federal government. Its a basic political principle says that, its like ministerial responsibility, the Rudd government cannot avoid accountability for the scheme. If it had succeeded they would be waiving it around as a victory, if it goes under then it is their heads that roll .
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 They are accountable yes. But the States did have the discretion to tender laptop production etc. so....
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 The recent budget is apparently fairly conservative, it is the tax issues that have now taken the forefront. Umm I would definitely be cutting spending on many/all non-essential programs, I would be reluctant to cut education spending but I would if necessary. Well tax concessions reduce revenue in the same way as spending, and it is less predictable. I wouldn't be increasing tax concessions, I'd probably cut back some considering our current debt.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 Yes but tax concessions I think more effectively stimulate the free market than Govt spending. I would cut spending on unessential things too, but keep good initiatives already in place. Actually I think raising excise on fuel and funding alternative/renewable energy would be the best long term reform to save our planet, but that's just me. I like reform and change, it keeps life, you know, interesting...and can increase standard of living and welfare. Screw the free market only.
pivano70 1 year ago
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pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 You cant rule out ''geoengineering to cool the earth,even Tim Flannery who is probably one of Australias most respected scientists have advocated sending sulphur aerosols into the sky blocking the sun.
Sulphur Dioxide as it turns out is very good at scattering light.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Sulphur dioxide is a greenhouse gas.
pivano70 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Btw, that would have a similar effect as clouds.
pivano70 1 year ago
Actually I think in regional areas you can go to any public school you want. I don't recall that I HAD TO go to a particular public school due to a geographical zone in which I lived.
pivano70 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 Btw, my name is Paul
pivano70 1 year ago
For those who want Rudd to go, it will be a bitter-sweet day
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 It will be bitter because Rudd had great intentions, it will be sweet because we will be putting an end to Rudd the walking disaster area.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 Well if he had good intentions, why not give him a second chance? Seriously, like Gough Whitlam, Labor can change Australia for the better. It's just that they won't hit the jackpot everytime so to speak. If you vote conservative, then you're obviously happy with they way things are. I'm sure you are earning thousands of dollars a year not to care. Sorry for being presumptuous
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Well because good intentions aren't enough. My little sister has fantastic intentions but I'm not going to vote her into office either. I think its about integrity, its about ability its about putting the country before you're own aspirations, Rudd lacks on all accounts. He had his chance and he has just tried to do too much and the execution of a lot of this stuff has just been ridiculous. I'm not conservative I'm a moderate, I voted labor in the past. I will never vote for Rudd.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 So you would have actually voted out Gough Whitlam if you had the chance? I think Rudd is a good PM, not just someone with good intentions. I think he has a lot on his plate...put yourself in his shoes. Can you imagine the pressure? I'll admit he has a big ego, that's probably one of his flaws. Anyway, why would you trust the Liberals not to come up with something like Workchoices again? Sorry for assuming you were conservative btw. Not good to be one in Australia lol. Sit on fence
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Good conversation in the end Paul. Gonna go watch the Tennis. All I ask is that you focus on the policies and don't judge a party by personality of leaders or by what they call themselves lib or lab etc. That really doesn't matter. It is their performance that matters, peoples lives are at stake this election.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 I judge them by what comes out of their mouths mainly. It reveals their true colours
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Conservatives do not always oppose change, but they are generally alot more cautious about it. They have more respect for tested institutions and ways of thinking. Anyway I will not talk about my income, I think that would be inappropriate.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
I think it will be a sad day in Australia's history when Tony Abbott becomes PM.
pivano70 1 year ago
And no, Joseph Stalin and the like weren't human lol
pivano70 1 year ago
man get your facts correct before you start attacking people because you look like a moron!!
freddycruger08 1 year ago
@freddycruger08 Who are you talking to?
pivano70 1 year ago
Ok true. A tax on the mining sector won't encourage investment in the short term. But that's just based on shareholder irrationality and mob mentality. Labor is about prospective LONG TERM objectives, not winning capitalists' votes.
And can I repeat that I'm not necessarily a supporter of Labor. I don't agree with them on everything
pivano70 1 year ago
And if people already understand the economic implications of Labor's policies, then I forgive you. The majority of Australians seem to not.
pivano70 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 Oh and your answer completely disregarded my logic in the question
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Yeah well that what one does with flawed logic
adenowa3232 1 year ago
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@adenowa3232 Btw, the mining boom was not Howard I believe, and selling Telstra was not an act of genius economic policy.
pivano70 1 year ago
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pivano70 1 year ago
OK people have obviously got it all wrong. I'll admit that the government is finding it difficult to make dumb down analogies and explain their policies in layman terms...it's hard. However, regardless of how it's explained, the tax on the mining sector will increase efficiency ON THE MINING SECTOR and will not lower investment and increase prices - in the long term. I don't want to explain why because I'm sick of doing the thinking for other people.
pivano70 1 year ago
Comparing a tax on consumption to a tax on company profits like that is absolutely moronic.
If Joe Hockey were to right that in an economics exam at uni the unit assessor would automatically fail him for sheer stupidity.
Again, with what I've written below I'll provide an explanation if anyone asks.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 I agree with you in some respects, but you fail consider the context. This is a public announcement, not an econ lecture. If he did not simplify the issue he wouldn't be doing his job properly as a public spokesman. Hockey makes a valid point by showing that on the one hand the government recognises that taxing cigarettes will discourage smoking however they will not recognise properly that taxing mining profits will discourage investment in the short term. Damn these YT character lmts
adenowa3232 1 year ago
READ THIS: Despite what Joe Hockey ignorantly deduced, a tax on super profits *IS* good for the mining sector in the LONG TERM. Who wants me to explain?
I initially thought that Labor's intention was to transfer wealth from the big mining companies to the small innovative sunrise mining companies through the tax system, but then it hit me...
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Of course it is good in the long term. The fact is that the government is NOT tying to save the mining industry, it is trying to save itself. The tax can be justified in various and convincing ways but that does not defeat the fact that this is at its core another pre-election cash grab. The most damaging aspect of this policy is the uncertainty that it has created in the international market, as if having a man like Rudd at the helm does not create enough uncertainty in itself.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
Question: how did the mining boom and Howard's policies prevent our economy from plunging into recession when we experienced a quarter period of negative economic growth before stimulus spending?
FYI, if there had been a second consecutive quarter of negative growth we would have been in recession by definition.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Regarding your question on Howard below, the answer is simple. By building a surplus. If you cannot appreciate the positive impact that Howard economic policy had on this country, then I think you are blinded by your partisanship. It's obvious that stimulus spending was an effective short term solution, that is not debatable, but the level of it is. The real issue is the long term effect of that type of spending, and without considering that, yeah it's great policy.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 I'm sorry, surplus in 3 years is not that bad considering. The reason why the Govt overspent was because it was TOO effective. I guess they didn't consider the multiplier effect properly.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 I'm assuming you meant "not that good". Yeah yeah of course Howard had some help from the econ conditions during those years, it was the way in which it was directed with solid conservative econ policy which was the triumph. They were extremely successful, most people, even people within the Labor party recognise this.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 The current gov have wasted billions on ridiculous programs and the cost will damage us for many years to come. Should I list them out? Should we count out the wasted $? Rudd is a walking disaster. If he doesn't do something drastic soon he may very well go down in history as the worst PM we have ever elected. It really is laughable that he has any chance to be re-elected, but I have faith that Australians are waking up to his ineptitude.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 OK that comment was unnecessary. Howard "garage selling" Telstra to clear Govt debt was not great alright. And if you think that being saved from a recession is a disaster then you need help. Rudd's programs didn't work out so well because of the free market being irresponsible, not the Govt.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 1. Selling telstra was good policy at the time, if you really knew economics you would easily see that 2. Rudd didn't save anything, stimulus was an obvious move and besides that he misdirected and over shot the mark anyway. 3. Free market is a factor in any gov program, not just poor old Ruddy's. That is a trite excuse. Good policy takes such factors into account and takes the relevant precaution. No instead Rudd rushes things and ends up pissing money away and making little gains.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 No it wasn't good because it still created a monopoly...don't tell me I don't know my economics mate, unless you've got a university major/masters in it. Liberals would NOT have done stimulus spending...despite it being an obvious move. And Liberal's policy is to not rather spend, so it doesn't really compare. Btw, the insulation program was a supply side stimulus to counter inflation (what I'm deducing from my economics background only). Yes, I don't know alot of the policy facts.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Well, to save residents on their household electricity bills too. Broader picture, less resource consumption.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Ok well I expected a better comeback than that frankly. I'm not discounting your education, I do think u r clouded by your own partisanship. They opposed Rudd's stimulus package in that form, not stimulating the economy as a general concept. This is the same overgeneralising that occurred with regard to the CPRS. The libs didn't oppose action on climate change they opposed Rudd's extreme market based approach. Libs policy is not to spend? that is terribly oversimplifying the issue.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 Yes it was weak but that's because frankly I'm not knowledgeable of the political world...only theories and logic.
Well, the impression I got during question time was that they were opposed to the aggregate demand stimulus. And yes, they'll be cutting vital spending, eg EDUCATION
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 I'm not trying to argue down your every point pivano. Like I said in my first post, I agree with some of your thoughts. In regard to education spending, my god have you read about the way the building the edu revolustion scheme has been administered? It is just unbelievable. This was a Rudd program that I was actually excited about and what happenned? It is going down in flames. I cant go through details here due to this damn character limit. Anyway, I agree that education is paramount
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 Well, the edu. rev. was really a State issue I think. Doesn't Federal just provide the funding (mainly)?
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 No it was a Federal initiative. Yes generally education is a state power.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@pivano70 Sometimes governments have to make difficult and harsh decisions. Good governments make those decisions even when they are not popular. So will the Libs cut spending? I hope so because we are in a hell of a lot of debt. Apply your logic to that. What would you do. Yet this ridiculous government continue to spend and not just spend but flush money away through poorly administering these overzealous programs that are built up in the mind of the biggest ego in Aust political history.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@pivano70 Cont. Yeah the insul scheme was supply side stimulus ... so what. Of course it had the effect of curbing inflation, but was that its purpose? No. It was an environmental program pivano, and it was an inexcusable disaster in policy and execution. INEXCUSABLE. As you would well know there are many other ways to curb inflation... many of which probably don't result in setting Australian's ceilings on fire.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 I later said that it was to reduce long term energy consumption...try argue against that.
pivano70 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 The G.S.T was good reform[im only starting to recognise this now] because it replaced a whole lot of other taxes.
Its a shame that the state governments have used G.S.T revenue so recklessly.Theres an argument floating around to abolish state governments because some people view them as being waste
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 No it wasn't. It absolutely ruined small retail businesses. I would know.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Especially when it replaced sales tax
pivano70 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 I think there is definitely a place for state governments in Australia's future. The problems you refer to I think are better addressed by reevaluating perhaps the separation of powers in some areas and to basically elect better public servants in the suffering institutions. To put it simply it is mainly the people that are operating within the system that are the problem, not the system itself. Major government restructuring is a very risky move, it should be a last resort.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 As a leaning Libertarian i am not a fan of government force,its only justified in very extreme cases otherwise people should be generally left alone.
Howard could of being better but he did do some good things,his first term was the bumpiest but he achieved a lot during that time [which came at a political cost] he almost lost in 1998.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 We have to define exactly what we mean by 'force' before the conversation will make sense. I believe in small government so I basically agree with you. However I am also a realist and I recognise that there are times when people, especially in large groups, do need guidance and of course law. Without force there is no enforcement and without enforcement there can be no effective law. Without law there is chaos.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 State the obvious
pivano70 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 I have a big problem with ''activist governments''.Regrettably i voted for Rudd in 2007 so the jokes partly on me as well[ i was more to the left back then] you know.
Its also laughable when Rudd called himself a ''fiscal conservative'' in 2007,yeah right Rudd in a speech he gave was quoted to have being critical of free market economist F.A Hayek.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Well vote for Independents or something if you don't like Labor now. Trust me, Liberals will make everything depressing. They'll cut spending on education :O
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 I would rather vote for a Libertarian candidate,the Liberals arent really that much better than labor,honestly its time that Australias two party system gets reviewed.
Its okay for the UK to have a third party but not Oz.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@pivano70 I take it that your opposed to school vouchers,i say let parents choose what schools they want to send thier kids to and not have government telling parents that they can only send thier kids to public schools in there area only which im my view is statist progressive policy.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 I like independently run public schools. It's an oxymoron isn't it.
pivano70 1 year ago
The best thing governments can do during a financial crisis is to cut spending,cut taxes and govern using ''positive non intervention''.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Counseling???? Please explain....
Lol
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 What do you mean''compassion....:LOL how can government be compassionate,government is an institution that takes and is defined by FORCE,how can an institution that uses force be compassionate?
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Umm....as far as I know the government is comprised of human beings. I'm sure they have some level of ethics
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 you hope so, lol
pav023 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 And no, the LAW has force, not the government. Sure the legislature (Parliament) passes legislation, but we vote for the people in Parliament and we also have the judiciary (courts) and the executive (monarch and ministers/administration). OK, executive and parliament is intertwined, but still.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 It's really about "regulation" and the provision of PUBLIC GOODS
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 I take i that you believe in a ''social market economy,part private and public.
Hoiw do you feel about ''universal health care in Oz?
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Personally, I like the Medicare system, if that's what you mean. When I start earning big I'll definitely take out private health insurance to avoid the medicare levy surcharge and take advantage of the 30% rebate.
I don't think "equal" healthcare for everyone will go down well in a mixed economy. Maybe in a command economy.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Well I definitely think manual bookkeeping is more boring, but I will actually be doing an accounting major aswell as tax. Mainly for career prospects of course. Accounting theory/standards isn't as bad as the practice. I would like to study economics in more depth, but fear it's not as prospective as a finance degree and probably difficult in terms of maths
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 I think just having a 2 unit background in economics is good enough for commerce general knowledge...but not for an actual career obviously
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 in terms of maths yeh its easy if you do econometrics then thats another story
pav023 1 year ago
@pav023 Yeah I was thinking econometrics. How can you put an equation on human behaviour? It's awesome and nerdy at the same time!
Have you done it, and what was your average mark for it?
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Na i actually didnt do it, i went the economics pathway, in which did not involved econometrics. More forecasting as well as statistics - using formulars to make predictions, etc
pav023 1 year ago
@pav023 Cool, so you would have done similar forecasts to what's in the Budget
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Universal healthcare has its problems,it sounds nice when government provides free health care but you have to take innovation into account.
Americas health care system is generally disfunctional but it also has really good doctors,medical innovation and technology.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Ah yes, competition and consumer demand. But I reckon in America it was all oligopoly.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Obamas passed financial regulation in America already,might do more harm than good.
I also find it funny that Bush and Obama claimed that there baliout and stimulus was meant to''save capitalism'',regulation weakens capitalism in my opinion,it doesnt make it stronger
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 No (I seem to be repeating that word to you), regulation saved capitalism from self destruction.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 It's a vicious cycle. Greed is the root cause of capitalism fall out, but the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates to 1%...which is not exactly free market and encourages investors to find more profitable (dodgy) means of investment. Watch The Crisis of Credit Visualized...awesome video.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Damn you John Nash!
pivano70 1 year ago
Its a good thing
pav023 1 year ago
@pav023 At least under Hawke and Keating HECS wasnt that much of a big deal because HECS was lower then,but Howard increased it and i dont think Rudd even cares about lowering them.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 dont even mention to me about hecs, lets just say mine is about an aust ave wage
pav023 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Force is compassionate if it is targeted with reference to a compassionate objective. E.g. force applied to curb violent crime.
adenowa3232 1 year ago
@adenowa3232 I agree that government should use force to combat people that do arm to others.
I wouldnt call going up against violence used by force ''compassionate'',just sensible.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Well that's the law. I was saying that politicians have a moral compass because they're human.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70Government being ''moral'' sounds nice but it also goes against process.Whenever i hear terms like''compassionate conservative'' or government taking a stand i say GIVE ME A BREAK.
Its political rhetoric to expect government to be compassionate.The Free market is about process and results and thats how government should run,being compassionate is just anothers opinion
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 So, in other more extreme words, you support Stalin's slaughter of millions of people. Think about it
pivano70 1 year ago
@pav023 Learning economics really opens your eyes to the ignorance of some politicians and the like.
pivano70 1 year ago
Ken Henry said that the mining super profits tax won't affect the cost of living. He based this conclusion (I think partly) on what he learned in economics at school.
Well, I deduced that ages ago just using simple logic. It's not even Economics 101!
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 hahaha, yeh its pretty much eco 101, ive been there and done it lol
pav023 1 year ago
@pav023 Same here. HSC level and soon to be uni level. You?
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Since Year 11 then VCE afterwards studied at Monash. If your motivated as well as interested/passionate you will do well.
pav023 1 year ago
To all Liberals: get over the mining super profits tax! Just because you're getting funded by mining companies to oppose this doesn't mean you should berate Labor for being what they are - social democrats. The proposed tax concessions, such as the 2% company tax rate cut, will make up for it anyway.
Btw, I'm not a Labor "supporter" and I'm not suggesting that they've always effectively redistributed wealth/reallocated resources. So yeah, shut the fcuk up!
pivano70 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Also, stimulus spending is only a "fallacy" when the government, in an economic downswing impending recession, raises taxes at the same time to finance the action...obviously.
pivano70 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 Don't forget about the multiplier effect.
Govt debt/deficit aside, the stimulus spending (effectively consumer spending) IS what saved our economy from a "recession". This short term government action really was necessary to save jobs.
Btw, if you saved most of your money there wouldn't be much of an economy would there? In any case, one role of Government is to CUSHION the free market economic cycle through monetary and FISCAL policy.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70
Thankyou
pav023 1 year ago
@pav023 Cheers, you're welcome! No problem.
pivano70 1 year ago
Another knocker, has he got anything better.
bojaydar 1 year ago
"The government is also playing with the figures. They're bringing forward some areas of expenditure so they can claim that they're only increasing expenditure by 2%." WTF are u on about you thick failure? L2 play the game, not to crash and burn and follow a twit like Tony Abbot
oooooookkkkkkkmmmmmm 1 year ago
Libfags are bad, Abbot and hockey are terrible failures, listen carefully:
They're saying that With new cigarette taxes, fewer people will smoke, but with the new mining tax, there's going to be more investment in resources- their logic is flawed" How does the new cigarette tax have anything to do with the new mining tax? To link the two is downright retarded.
oooooookkkkkkkmmmmmm 1 year ago
Im tired of Politicians making such bogus promises they cant keep or possibly implement.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
What a joke. Hockey has no credibility and his manner is angery and vindictive. He lies and spins shamelessly and then attacks his opponents for the same thing. He is a servant of the mining bosses and banks and crazy neo-lib/cons who want to tuen us into another American state :P
Tuathalful 1 year ago
Hey Hockey! your a wanker!. So is Howard, So is every Liberal. No one cares about your point of view, because your a NOTHING! from a HASBEEN party!. So shut up, get back to eating doughnuts, backstabbing fellow party members and peddling the IR and Workchoices that will NEVER come to be in Australia!.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago 2
I urge everyone to listen to this stupid bastards grandstand, he cant even string the sentance together because he's reading some spin Dr's speech!! Your full of shit, just like Howard and his COWARDS. I told you Hockey, that at every turn, every corner of the Internet I'll attack you and Libs for what you did to Australia. So get used to reading my posts you useless waste. EVERYONE KNOWS you were behind the backstabbing of your former leader of the opposition. So dont try playing Mr nice.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla wow you sound a bit psycho, calm down man. I don't expect much from people on youtube but you should at least pretend to want to be taken seriously.
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 Oh I assure you, I AM serious and Hockey knows it! He knows me very well because I send him mail all the time to his office. Like I said I am not going to let the Lib criminals ever forget their time in power when Howard the coward was in power. It will be a cold day in hell when they see Gov again.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla lol if that reply was you trying to show that you're not indeed a psycho it didn't help your case. I'm sure he enjoys all your letters...
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 Maybe I am psycho! all the more reason for those wankers to be on the toes. They seem to think its funny treating us like idiots, but who looked like the idiot when they lost Gov? and not just lost it, but got blasted back into the stone age. I pride myself on telling everyone i meet what dogs the Libs are with Howard at the top of that pile followed by Hockey. it worked a treat last election and everyone at my work hated Howard.. THATS how much Im going after them.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla Blasted back to the stone age? They're back ahead of Labor in the polls when Rudd hasn't even finished one term yet after being in opposition for 11 years. Pity the mandatory internet filter isn't one of their only major policies that hasn't ended up being the subject of an investigation or been cancelled yet. Oh and "but who looked like the idiot when they lost Gov?" The average Australian voter, and a lot of them are admitting that with hindsight.
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 Sorry i dont know what your talking about Rudd is still towering over the Libs and the polls show that clearly, so again I'll see you and all the Lib idiots come voting day when who ever the hell is leading that useless party and my guess is Hockey will have backstabbed the current wanker who's in power and taken that seat, loosing the election again.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla no, sorry mate. You don't read the news do you? Liberals are ahead in two party preferred, and are ahead in the marginal seats where it really matters too. Coalition would have won if an election was held in the last few weeks. Labor support is collapsing like a house of cards, and so is Labor voters patience for Rudd. Remember what you said about backstabbing, you'll be in for a surprise soon. Also just curious, are you 14 years old or are you just drunk?
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 It is YOU who doesnt read the news! first off the polls don't reflect SHIT and everyone knows that BUT if you want to play the polls game PLEASE DO and note in todays news is states the voters ARE turing away from Lab but NOT to the Libs! rather to third party parties! So please dont waste my time with your bullshit spin! im one step ahead of you! and YES i am 14 dickhead! and clearly as a 14 year old im giving you and Libs a run for your money.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla ah, that was a good guess then wasn't it. Just for your information, Labor has generally lost votes to the Greens over the ETS and votes to the Coalition over their long list of failures, all reflected in the polls. Now go away you angry child, you're not doing Labor any favours by being an immature loudmouth posting insults on youtube you know. Go and read what you've been posting and ask yourself how you must look to everyone else.
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 thank you for being so polite. All jokes aside, i have very real and personal reasons to hate the Libs and Howard era and I'll attack them at every corner because of those personal reasons. No Australian should work two decades and with the stroke of a pen be robbed of their Super as I was. So for me its very personal, and nothings will stop me hammering them non stop.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla I'd love to know how much superannuation you have at 14 years of age, or how the Liberal party is responsible for it being "robbed" from you if you were just lying about your age for some reason. Interesting story I'm sure, forgive me for not believing a word you say...
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 Mate You've got to be joking me! You dont actually BELIEVE im 14 do you? are you STUPID ? seriously are you? I mean go back and look at details i have put here and on everyone place i find the Libs in youtube, and ask yourself if you really think I'm 14. You know what? Im so glad the Libs have people like YOU on their side!.. Next election is Rudds!
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla why wouldn't I think you're 14 when you sound like a 14 year old? Either way you're a complete nutcase, calm down before you smash your keyboard to pieces or something.
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla Funny that, I said I was 18 and someone DIDN'T believe me. Well, now I'm 19, but still...
pivano70 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla Howard made a lot of lives harder. Ordinary people, especially poor people, the kind Howard and the Liberal Party would find alien. Education became more expensive and income support harder to aquire and maintain despite being legitimately entitled. The single parent benifit was scrapped. The GST pushed up the cost of living. The Libs are sort on emphathy for anyone dissimular to themselves; and theyre still drastically out of touch.
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@Tuathalful Since when is it governments job to ''bring down the cost of living'',that is rhetoric.
Let markets do thier job and stop having government interfer,when i hear politicians promising to ''bring down petrol prices'' or ''eaze the squeeze'' i say ''GIVE ME A BREAK.
If there is one thing ive learned is that people expect too much of politicians,they vote for them thinking they are getting Superman or something or even worse ''the messiah''
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@fenderboy88 I take it you believe in a free market? It sounds great and sure it has resulted in great growth but at what cost? perhaps politicians are not supermen but what are they if not the glue holding the country together. You forget that the legislation they pass ultimately effects the way that the country functions and to an extent also the world. It is stupid to suggest that it is even possible for the government to not have any involvement in the market.
denn0088 1 year ago
@denn0088 True Capitalism is an economy free of ''political control'',you seem to lean towards a mixed economy like most people do.
You seem to lean heavily towards ''crony capitalism'' or as i like to call it ''half assed capitalism where you have business leeching off government welfare,the rich are a true example of ''welfare queens''.
Politicians are not what ''holds the country together its the market.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system,using force to go after people that do harm to others especially killers but also having a strong navy,army and air defence,that pretty much all the government can do.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system,using force to go after people that do harm to others especially killers but also having a strong navy,army and air defence.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system and using force to go after people that do harm to others
fenderboy88 1 year ago
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@denn0088 Of course im not suggesting that Government doesnt have a role to play of course it does.
Whats wrong with Government simply protecting citizens property,having a strong legal system and using force to go after people that do harm to others
fenderboy88 1 year ago
@cunnamullafalla Did Hockey ever personally reply to any of your letters?
pivano70 1 year ago
Oh Ive heard enough you useless FAT WASTE OF SPACE!. Id rather see millions spent on the asylum seekers and work towards a solution, rather that HOWARDS way of spendinig hundreds of millions boosting his parties agenda on the subject and even MORE on Lawyers who had to defend the Libs after the Dr Hannif mess up. So dont lecture Australian on wasted money. EVERY DOLLAR your paid is wasted tax Hockey! You'll NEVER see Government.
cunnamullafalla 1 year ago
"an-early-surplus-is-not-just-due-to-mining-boom" Sorry, can't post links.
I agree with Gittins, it's macroeconomics 101. Don't believe the crap that comes out of mouths of Liberals.
pivano70 1 year ago
Hockey & Abbot are the clowns of politics. Whats these jokers know about economics is not worth knowing!! Liberals loss all credibility when they voted out Turnbull. Howard & Costello they are not, unfortunately.
tegra1 1 year ago
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@tegra1 "Liberals loss all credibility when they voted out Turnbull", yeah maybe to rusted on Labor voters or people who'll probably vote Greens anyway, who cares. I'd rather have a real Liberal party and strong opposition than someone selling the party's soul to get into government. What's the point heading towards turning the party into another Labor to get rid of a Labor government?
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
Joe - the government made their promises before they even knew of the GFC so get off their backs when they can't keep some of the promises they have made.
Joe - the opposition you work for, instead of siding with the Government on the insulation issue, put the boot in for vote grabs.
Joe - the worst mistake you made was help stand Malcom Turnbul down as leader. The opposition would have stood a much better chance of winning this up coming election.
adam3141 1 year ago
Liberal propaganda...
Joe - How about some meaningful analysis rather than coming up with silly one liners and recycling old phrases.
Joe - If this Government was doing such a bad job with the economy, why do you think it is that Australia is still doing quite well econmically.
adam3141 1 year ago
forget it europe is going to crash. the entire world is heading towards depression. k rudd works for the new world order to bring australia down.
themios72 1 year ago
Looks like Abbots got you whipped Joe are you talking in a closet or somthing?
abbot1 1 year ago
RAW RAW RAW LIBERAL PROPAGANDA RAW RAW RAW
How about less rhetoric and more logical comparison. Charts and graphs alike. Who doesn't love graphs?
schnappy00 1 year ago
Good on you Abbott, appeal to the average Joe's hip-pocket nerve. Labor policies are usually very complex, but well thought out. They may not be good for the short term, but are good for the LONG TERM. They are PROSPECTIVE
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 Can you name some of these "well thought out" policies? I'd go to the Labor website to find out for myself but they've removed them for some reason, gee I wonder why. There's only a few of the major ones left that haven't either been dropped or being investigated for rorting and wasting money, with half their budget now being put aside to fix up the result of rushed and poor planning in the case of the insulation scheme. Do you think we'll look back and say we got value for money?
1CaptainAustralia1 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 I was referring to policies in general or major strategies. Some didn't all go to plan (noone is perfect), but their policy intentions and the way they work are somewhat beyond most people's comprehension. Usually the more complex something is, the more that can go wrong. However, simplicity can also create room for error too.
pivano70 1 year ago
@1CaptainAustralia1 What you referred to above (eg. insulation scheme) was caused by the malpractice of the free market, not the government. Ultimately, the free market should be responsible.
pivano70 1 year ago
@pivano70 no, It was the result of creating a situation where the competition of the free market that makes it more self regulating was thrown aside for a free for all cash grab whre any cowboy can take a piece. Simple tender processes like with most other government work would have made sure that didn't happen. Garrett warned Rudd about these problems by the way, but Rudd refuses to release the letters.