Does anybody know why Hitler was never ex-communicated? Wasn't he a Catholc all his life? There are pictures of him getting along with cardinals in the book "SMOKESCREENS." (can be googled and read on-line. Or, just look at the pictures)
PETER
I was never a blasphemous pope and I was never even in ROME! They found my grave in Jerusalem a long time ago.
Look for BEREANbeacon and EXCATHOLICS on-line or on youtube
"If a man has a fundamental right to act on his personal religious beliefs, indifferentism soon takes root and the missionary spirit is killed" - excerpt from an SSPX pamphlet
In other words, your religious views stand in direct conflict with the human rights act. That's right, you reject a document that protects the lives and freedom of people everywhere because it is in conflict with your dogma.
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I experienced novus ordo before and it wasn't holy at all. It was more akin to a baptist service. Also every church law that had been in place for over 2000 years was broken. Vatican II was one big heretical mess.
I welcomed you back anyway, out of kindness. Thank you for doing the same, though neither of us had left.
There is no such religion as Novus Ordo, unless you're mistaking those words for the supposed "One World Order" concept that people fear the Freemasons and Illuminati are trying to establish. Novus Ordo refers to the modernised rite of the Holy Mass. I don't like that rite.
No matter which rite is used, there is only one Mass. I understand the SSPX sees that differently and I respect it.
Wow, you must feel like a big boy, assuming I have posted videos I have not, and presuming to convert me though I am already Catholic.
You need to do more research and homework. The Church has condemned Freemasonry and Satanism. The fact you did not know this means you are not a very learned Catholic. I suggest you read a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church instead of throwing idiocy and misinformation around.
I'm 74 and have been hearing mass since about 1940 and praying the breviary since 1960 and married in 1964 with the Tridentine. So I've got to know. Novus Ordo is perfectly legitimate as it has been promulgated by the Pope. I too miss the old Rite. But remember that the Novus Ordo was promulgated in LATIN and a Latin Novus Ordo Mass is perfectly legal. Buy a N.O. Missal in Latin and take it to Mass. The Liturgy of the Hours is too in Latin. Buy LOH in Latin.
But, really, how often is the Pauline Mass celebrated in Latin? Almost never, I believe, although this is directly contrary to the demands of the Second Vatican Council: "The use of Latin, with due respect to particular law, is to be preserved in the Latin Rites" (SC, 36) and "Nevertheless care must be taken to ensure that the faithful may also be able to say or sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them" (SC, 54).
True. If the Novus Ordo was celebrated at Least Ad Orentim and with Latin we could see the return of church goes.
Still the Novus Ordo in Latin is still not the same as the Tridentine.
Once, I went to a church that does the Tridentine Mass, but when the Priest that did it could not make it (he got stuck in Traffic) we did a Latin Novus Ordo with Incense.
It is wonderful that you know Latin, especially at such a young age. But I am afraid your Latin is tarnished if you cannot learn to respect others. Your post shows a total lack of charity.
To address your post, it is true that Latin Mass is Mass said in Latin, but there are two forms of it. Extraordinary Rite (Tridentine), and the Ordinary Rite (Novus Ordo). EWTN airs a rather unique version. Its half-English and half-Latin. Believe me, the differences between these is easily seen in missals.
first of all i belong to a latin mass community in the harrisburg diocese that has a FSSP priest in attendance. we are fortunate enough to have a large community and always had the support of our bishop (kevin rhodes) who is a man of God. but still we must abide by the church's council at vatican II. i know that many of you will disagree with vatican II but i look forward to the day when sspx comes into full communion. and yes, your sacraments are valid, as recognized by the church
Hey chaps, there is only ONE Roman Rite, expressed in two forms. Here the Priest is using the Extraordinary Form [Missal of John XXIII, 1962] of the ONE Roman Rite. THerefore, you cannot call the Extraordinary Form a "Rite", nor "Tridentine", because in order to be in communion with Rome, the Missal of Pope St Pius V, 1570, which is pure "Tridentine", cannot be legally used for Roman Catholic worship today. Do read Summorum Pontificum :)
The supposed "excommunication" affected only the two consecratory Bishops and the four men elevated to the Episcopate. But putting all of that aside, excommunication does not render the sacraments of a validly ordained Bishop or Priest "invalid." It may make them illicit, but not invalid. Something has gone terribly wrong, when these men are the "rebels" and "dissenters." The "smoke of satan" indeed (Paul VI's words, not my own.)
The SSPX came to an agreement with the Vatican that allowed them to practice the old rite providing they do not again dissent from Vatican rule in matters of ordination. They do have some representation now in the Vatican.
Do a little research, and you'll find that the excommunication never went through; they thought about doing it, but never did. This was admitted by a Cardinal within the past ten years.
Iconodule is correct. Pope John Paul II excommunicated only Lefebvre and the four bishops he consecrated. However, there are exception clauses in Canon Law, such as "An ipso facto sanction does not apply if there exists an attenuating circumstance as laid down by law" (1382) and "No penalty is incurred by a person forced by a necessity to act against the law" (1323) which both apply in this case. Anyway, the current pope has rescinded the excommunications (gloria deo!).
The Founder of the SSPX, Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre (may he rest in piece), consercrated 4 Priests to be Bishops with out Pope John Paul II's permission. Thus he was excommunicated after having been warned not to do it.
Thanks to Pope Benedict XVI, he lifted the excommunication and made it void. Meaning, that there was no effect at all. SSPX'ers are Roman Catholics and continued on the teachings of the Catholic Church. It has never been in schism.
@FaithRationale Yes thanks be to God the excommunications where lifted, but the remission only recommunicated the 4 Bishops, and even then they have no status as Bishops as of yet.
"and even then they have no status as Bishops as of yet. "
That's not for us to decide.
The Pope declared the excommunication void from the day it was placed against the SSPX. Because the act of consecrating the Bishops was never a schismatic act -- it was done only to ensure future Bishops and priests to faithfully carry the Traditional Rites and Teaching.
;-)
The Vatican said: Bishop Williamson, in order to be admitted to episcopal functions within the Church .."
@FaithRationale He was only a Cardinal then, he is now the Vicar of Christ. We will know certainly within the next year. Even the SSPX admitted Excommunication. If this was not so, then way are they bothering with the Rosary Crusade for their recommunication?
@dacatholicbandorgan try a little research you will find that Pope John Paul II approved that the Arch Bishop could consecrate 4 bishops ,just not the 4 SSPX bishops he was to consecrate .The excommunication was however not clear since pope john PaulI sent one of his reps to make a speech stating that anyone defy the Popes authority will be excommunicated however did not flat out say SSPX was.
Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication envisaged by ecclesiastical law.(4)
Article 3 of the Moto Propio Ecclesia Dei by Servant of God Pope John Paul II.
then check again ,I dont recall disagreeing with you .i stated that Pope John Paul II approved 4 consecrations however not of those being consecrated .I have read about 4 books on this subject a few years back sorry if you disagree.
Mementote, Christifideles, non universis hominibus solis, maribus ac mulieribus, sed praecipue sacerdotibus seminaritis Catholicis, peropus esse Venere. Mulcentius et integrantius est ritibus superstitionis. Venere quotidie in aeternum fruamur! Ah, suavem voluptatem!
I'm not an SSPX member, but I think it should be made clear that the reason for the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV and all the independent traditional Priests and Bishops doing what they are doing is not for nostalgia, it is strictly to maintain the true faith which the novus ordo mass and post conciliar church has destroyed.
The Novus Ordo Mass and the "Post Conciliar Church" cannot destroy the tradition, they ARE the tradition. A Council's job is to tell you and me about the tradition, and it is a Pope's job to be the head of the Church, even in jurisdiction over the liturgy.
Hence the Council and the Roman Mass of 1970 ARE the tradition.
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Does anybody know why Hitler was never ex-communicated? Wasn't he a Catholc all his life? There are pictures of him getting along with cardinals in the book "SMOKESCREENS." (can be googled and read on-line. Or, just look at the pictures)
PETER
I was never a blasphemous pope and I was never even in ROME! They found my grave in Jerusalem a long time ago.
Look for BEREANbeacon and EXCATHOLICS on-line or on youtube
notacatholicanymore 5 months ago
May the good lord HORUS watch over you
Mercury418 10 months ago
"If a man has a fundamental right to act on his personal religious beliefs, indifferentism soon takes root and the missionary spirit is killed" - excerpt from an SSPX pamphlet
In other words, your religious views stand in direct conflict with the human rights act. That's right, you reject a document that protects the lives and freedom of people everywhere because it is in conflict with your dogma.
Really makes one think.
ASKaPHYSICIST 1 year ago
novus ordo pawns sspx anytime, all that they celebrated are illicit and should be stop. dumbass
renshengmasituan 1 year ago
@dacatholicbandorgan just fuck off, u are a son of a bitch and to be excommunicated soon.
renshengmasituan 1 year ago
@renshengmasituan Grow up.
TraditionalistThomas 2 months ago
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FrancisTradi 1 year ago
FrancisTradi 1 year ago
Gago ka, wla pulos !!!!!! fuck u!!
FrancisTradi 1 year ago
Gago kamo
FrancisTradi 1 year ago
Gago ka,
FrancisTradi 1 year ago
@balboa62 You are so stupid for doing such!!!
FrancisTradi 1 year ago
I experienced novus ordo before and it wasn't holy at all. It was more akin to a baptist service. Also every church law that had been in place for over 2000 years was broken. Vatican II was one big heretical mess.
FolkMusicFanatic 1 year ago 3
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AnotherAppleMacbook 10 months ago
its sad that these peoples pride leads them away from the Vicar of Christ. All this is available within the Church.
eyeboan 1 year ago
I welcomed you back anyway, out of kindness. Thank you for doing the same, though neither of us had left.
There is no such religion as Novus Ordo, unless you're mistaking those words for the supposed "One World Order" concept that people fear the Freemasons and Illuminati are trying to establish. Novus Ordo refers to the modernised rite of the Holy Mass. I don't like that rite.
No matter which rite is used, there is only one Mass. I understand the SSPX sees that differently and I respect it.
MinaICCS 2 years ago
Ah, an SSPXer. Welcome back to the Catholic Church. I am not an Novus Ordo gal. You're in my prayers, and thank you for the chat.
MinaICCS 2 years ago
Wow, you must feel like a big boy, assuming I have posted videos I have not, and presuming to convert me though I am already Catholic.
You need to do more research and homework. The Church has condemned Freemasonry and Satanism. The fact you did not know this means you are not a very learned Catholic. I suggest you read a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church instead of throwing idiocy and misinformation around.
I am not a sir. I am a ma'am.
MinaICCS 2 years ago
what i wrote that no way im traditionalist what the heck i dont remember writing that four months ago???
Adeodatus229 2 years ago
I'm 74 and have been hearing mass since about 1940 and praying the breviary since 1960 and married in 1964 with the Tridentine. So I've got to know. Novus Ordo is perfectly legitimate as it has been promulgated by the Pope. I too miss the old Rite. But remember that the Novus Ordo was promulgated in LATIN and a Latin Novus Ordo Mass is perfectly legal. Buy a N.O. Missal in Latin and take it to Mass. The Liturgy of the Hours is too in Latin. Buy LOH in Latin.
voltape 2 years ago
But, really, how often is the Pauline Mass celebrated in Latin? Almost never, I believe, although this is directly contrary to the demands of the Second Vatican Council: "The use of Latin, with due respect to particular law, is to be preserved in the Latin Rites" (SC, 36) and "Nevertheless care must be taken to ensure that the faithful may also be able to say or sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them" (SC, 54).
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
True. If the Novus Ordo was celebrated at Least Ad Orentim and with Latin we could see the return of church goes.
Still the Novus Ordo in Latin is still not the same as the Tridentine.
Once, I went to a church that does the Tridentine Mass, but when the Priest that did it could not make it (he got stuck in Traffic) we did a Latin Novus Ordo with Incense.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Ha Ha Ha i laugh at you Latin Mass is mass but in the Latin Language youre just jelous because you dont know lain and i do i am just 12
Adeodatus229 2 years ago
that's usually the anti-traditionalists excuse
choirboy526 2 years ago
It is wonderful that you know Latin, especially at such a young age. But I am afraid your Latin is tarnished if you cannot learn to respect others. Your post shows a total lack of charity.
To address your post, it is true that Latin Mass is Mass said in Latin, but there are two forms of it. Extraordinary Rite (Tridentine), and the Ordinary Rite (Novus Ordo). EWTN airs a rather unique version. Its half-English and half-Latin. Believe me, the differences between these is easily seen in missals.
MinaICCS 2 years ago
first of all i belong to a latin mass community in the harrisburg diocese that has a FSSP priest in attendance. we are fortunate enough to have a large community and always had the support of our bishop (kevin rhodes) who is a man of God. but still we must abide by the church's council at vatican II. i know that many of you will disagree with vatican II but i look forward to the day when sspx comes into full communion. and yes, your sacraments are valid, as recognized by the church
hockeyfighter21 2 years ago
What do you mean the demands of Vatican II? Vatican II allowed the Tridentine Mass to be said and it never forbade it.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Hey chaps, there is only ONE Roman Rite, expressed in two forms. Here the Priest is using the Extraordinary Form [Missal of John XXIII, 1962] of the ONE Roman Rite. THerefore, you cannot call the Extraordinary Form a "Rite", nor "Tridentine", because in order to be in communion with Rome, the Missal of Pope St Pius V, 1570, which is pure "Tridentine", cannot be legally used for Roman Catholic worship today. Do read Summorum Pontificum :)
christianvs1 3 years ago
great singers! how accurate the pitches are! I am sure Pope Gregory would be proud!
But the most important is: Suspended priests, excommunicated bishops - that's true Catholicism!
nicephor 3 years ago
god shave the queen
kaseOco 3 years ago
Beautiful, reverent, missed.
Raven0065 3 years ago
This is beautiful...to bad everyone there are regular people...some would say heretics.
bluetiger3001 3 years ago
thank God we still have true catholic practicing the true faith. not the noves ordo mass witch is such a disgrace.
chrischutebox 4 years ago 12
@chrischutebox SOLIDARITY IN THE NOVUS ORDO!
GrandMasterFreshMpls 9 months ago in playlist SSPX MASS
@chrischutebox LOL U MAD BRO??
GrandMasterFreshMpls 5 months ago in playlist SSPX MASS
Just beautiful!
fobbysheek 4 years ago 6
society st.pius the tenth!!!
durayclear 4 years ago 4
How can there be a SSPX seminary since all their Bishops are excommunicated? Wouldn't their ordinations be invalid?
stgianna 4 years ago
The supposed "excommunication" affected only the two consecratory Bishops and the four men elevated to the Episcopate. But putting all of that aside, excommunication does not render the sacraments of a validly ordained Bishop or Priest "invalid." It may make them illicit, but not invalid. Something has gone terribly wrong, when these men are the "rebels" and "dissenters." The "smoke of satan" indeed (Paul VI's words, not my own.)
Iconodule 3 years ago 3
The SSPX came to an agreement with the Vatican that allowed them to practice the old rite providing they do not again dissent from Vatican rule in matters of ordination. They do have some representation now in the Vatican.
jlandles 3 years ago
Do a little research, and you'll find that the excommunication never went through; they thought about doing it, but never did. This was admitted by a Cardinal within the past ten years.
LucyGriffithsfan 3 years ago
No, a sacrament does not lose its validity nomatter what.
Eskadron22 3 years ago
Iconodule is correct. Pope John Paul II excommunicated only Lefebvre and the four bishops he consecrated. However, there are exception clauses in Canon Law, such as "An ipso facto sanction does not apply if there exists an attenuating circumstance as laid down by law" (1382) and "No penalty is incurred by a person forced by a necessity to act against the law" (1323) which both apply in this case. Anyway, the current pope has rescinded the excommunications (gloria deo!).
baldwalrus7 3 years ago
At last someone speaking out.
The Ordinations are invalid.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
what ordinations are invalid?
hughsey1990 2 years ago
The Founder of the SSPX, Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre (may he rest in piece), consercrated 4 Priests to be Bishops with out Pope John Paul II's permission. Thus he was excommunicated after having been warned not to do it.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
@dacatholicbandorgan,
Thanks to Pope Benedict XVI, he lifted the excommunication and made it void. Meaning, that there was no effect at all. SSPX'ers are Roman Catholics and continued on the teachings of the Catholic Church. It has never been in schism.
FaithRationale 2 years ago
@FaithRationale Yes thanks be to God the excommunications where lifted, but the remission only recommunicated the 4 Bishops, and even then they have no status as Bishops as of yet.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
@dacatholicbandorgan ,
"and even then they have no status as Bishops as of yet. "
That's not for us to decide.
The Pope declared the excommunication void from the day it was placed against the SSPX. Because the act of consecrating the Bishops was never a schismatic act -- it was done only to ensure future Bishops and priests to faithfully carry the Traditional Rites and Teaching.
;-)
The Vatican said: Bishop Williamson, in order to be admitted to episcopal functions within the Church .."
FaithRationale 2 years ago
@FaithRationale He was only a Cardinal then, he is now the Vicar of Christ. We will know certainly within the next year. Even the SSPX admitted Excommunication. If this was not so, then way are they bothering with the Rosary Crusade for their recommunication?
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
@dacatholicbandorgan,
I'd rather spend time praying.
No one is denying that excommunication sentence was given.
Pope Benedict XVI, issued it void from that day it was sentenced. As if nothing happened. ;-)
Thanks to God and Our Blessed Lady.
;-)
FaithRationale 2 years ago
however, Pope John Paul II did give his approval to consecrate four Bishops just not those Bishops Arch Bishop Lefevbra Consecrated .
onclave6 1 year ago
Prove me wrong. Where is the proof?
dacatholicbandorgan 1 year ago
@dacatholicbandorgan try a little research you will find that Pope John Paul II approved that the Arch Bishop could consecrate 4 bishops ,just not the 4 SSPX bishops he was to consecrate .The excommunication was however not clear since pope john PaulI sent one of his reps to make a speech stating that anyone defy the Popes authority will be excommunicated however did not flat out say SSPX was.
onclave6 1 year ago
Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication envisaged by ecclesiastical law.(4)
Article 3 of the Moto Propio Ecclesia Dei by Servant of God Pope John Paul II.
dacatholicbandorgan 1 year ago
@dacatholicbandorgan the excommunication was lifted last year, where have you been my friend.
Canisius19 1 year ago
@Canisius19 the excommunication of the Bishops, not of the whole SSPX
dacatholicbandorgan 1 year ago
@dacatholicbandorgan It was lifted!
AnotherAppleMacbook 1 year ago
@AnotherAppleMacbook like I said, the excommunication of the Bishops was lifted, not the society as a whole.
dacatholicbandorgan 1 year ago
did you comment the right person?Think before sending comments to people please.
onclave6 1 year ago
yes I did.
dacatholicbandorgan 1 year ago
then check again ,I dont recall disagreeing with you .i stated that Pope John Paul II approved 4 consecrations however not of those being consecrated .I have read about 4 books on this subject a few years back sorry if you disagree.
onclave6 1 year ago
yes I disaggre that the Pope approved of any consercrations.
dacatholicbandorgan 1 year ago
The ordinations are valid, they are illicit.
BornCitizen 2 years ago
Mementote, Christifideles, non universis hominibus solis, maribus ac mulieribus, sed praecipue sacerdotibus seminaritis Catholicis, peropus esse Venere. Mulcentius et integrantius est ritibus superstitionis. Venere quotidie in aeternum fruamur! Ah, suavem voluptatem!
wurlitzer76 4 years ago
Superb.
Billyothon 4 years ago
This depiction of the pre Vatican 2 mass is very nostalgic. Praise the living God for shedding His Blood for everyone.
mandmjuner 5 years ago
I'm not an SSPX member, but I think it should be made clear that the reason for the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV and all the independent traditional Priests and Bishops doing what they are doing is not for nostalgia, it is strictly to maintain the true faith which the novus ordo mass and post conciliar church has destroyed.
wjweigand 3 years ago 4
@ wjweigand
The Novus Ordo Mass and the "Post Conciliar Church" cannot destroy the tradition, they ARE the tradition. A Council's job is to tell you and me about the tradition, and it is a Pope's job to be the head of the Church, even in jurisdiction over the liturgy.
Hence the Council and the Roman Mass of 1970 ARE the tradition.
nicephor 3 years ago
yes, finally something that makes sense.
brisky32 3 years ago
the hell it is ! That is a lie the Latin Mas is the true tradition of the catholic church ,the novus ordo mass is a heresy of modernists!
timtrotter42 3 years ago
The Latin Mass is the true tradition of the catholic church. The Novus Ordo mass is the heresy of modernists and vactican 2 Consil .
timtrotter42 3 years ago 3
are you calling pope John XXIII a heretic thn?
hughsey1990 2 years ago
Thank you.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago