HHO Home Heating Unit

[VonBraun87545]

People, listen, electrolysis does produce Hydrogen from water with an electrolyte (and about 8 amps) but if you want to produce 4 times more then add a 923 hz frequency to your electric coil while its electrifing the water. Radio waves of 923 Hz at high modulation is how the Germans produced so much hydrogen for practically nothing in the 1930s and the U.S. Govt doesn't want anyone to know this because their sugar daddy (oil companies) would go out of business

[UltraDavidson37]

Too much celebration for a stupid idea, but rather uses an electric heater, so you waste less energy stupid

[DeeJayWoot]

I got a really dumb question...what will you do with all of the hexavalent chromium waste that is produced when using this method to separate water into HHO gas??

[mattimber]

@DeeJayWoot That's a smart question and you know it! ;-) I'd imagine that you can collect the sludge or separate it in a centriguge or leave as a liquid and incinerate the liquid waste in a retort similar to the StarTech process (Google PES Wiki StarTech). HHO plasma can reach 30,000 degrees F and the CO2/HHO gas is recirculated and the hazardous waste elements actually transmute into smaller atmomic and molecular constituents in the reaction/incineration/alchemy. Chrome free is a better way 2Go

[biggysground]

This unit would have to be more energy efficient to justify the price tag. Even if you used solar power to generate the electricity to run this unit, your still not justifying the money outlay.Face facts, we need a cheaper easier way to split the water molecules.

[terrymorse]

For a good laugh, check out the company website. $2499 for a 300 watt space heater.

[TheDroidbuilder]

Water is separated into Hydrogen and oxygen. When Hydrogen is burned as a fuel it mixes back with oxygen to make - Guess what? Water! The worlds best carbon neutral fuel.

[motormagnet]

DO YOU GUYS REALIZE THAT WHEN RICH PEOPLE'S ENGINES WORK ON WATER, THE POOR WON'T HAVE ANY TO DRINK?

[mrmetal60]

keep up the good work !!!!! help save the planet !!!

[dzgfdg]

why are you lying? water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

[TheDroidbuilder]

@dzgfdg

Well, Then I guess we are doomed! The dam planet is covered with about 75% water.

Moron!

[dzgfdg]

@TheDroidbuilder fucking retards these days, he said there were no greenhouse gas emissions. But fucking water vapor is a greenhouse gas, MORON.

[clembomber]

oh shit, free energy tight how long has this been going on? i just got cut off and the freezing nights are a coming.

[rutherk1g]

Do you have to plug this unit into the wall?

[mattimber]

@rutherk1g

yes, it takes up 300 watts of power.

Check out my FaceBook page for more info and a cutaway image of the heater to see how it works.

[mattimber]

I will not claim this heater puts out more heat than 350 watts of power until this is measured in a lab in an unbiased independent study measuring the heat output. When this study is done, and IF excess heat energy is shown to exist, such as in Stan Meyer's 14+ COP efficient water fuel cell, then I only wanted to in advance acknowledge the natural source of the surplus in energy, namely "dark energy," or the zero-point energy field, via the Casimir Effect occuring in the dry cell.

[mattimber]

And, I can assure you that there IS dark energy entering in the device in the dry cell, and this happens in most pizoelectric devices, as shown by the Casimir Effect, which is basically a pizoelectric device in reverse. The heater may or may not be overunity, but I am sure is still capturing dark energy, and is making use of it, and further, can be optimized to go beyond COP 1, 2, or more.

[ewmegoolies]

@mattimber Isn't it worth testing if it is more efficient at producing more BTUs than a conventional element heater operating at 300watts?

[mattimber]

Let me explain this way. Suppose you have a 100W wind turbine & you rig to it a small 25W dc motor to increase the speed a little & the turbine reached 100W output. Subtract the MANMADE input power from the total output to get COP. All I'm saying is that IF the HHO heater is overunity, the excess energy's source is natural - be it wind, or dark energy (vacuum energy AKA zero-point energy). COP efficeincy is well documented on Wikipedia, and heat pumps exceeding 1.0 COP are cited there on Wiki.

[a1mint]

Wikipedia:

"The law of conservation of energy is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only be transformed from one state to another."

Converting electricity to heat means *all* of the electricity used is converted to heat. There is no other energy being added.

Hence 100% efficient.

[mattimber]

This is semantics. I never claimed it was putting out more energy than ALL the energy it converted. I'm accounting for natural energy converted into usable heat, which accounts for any surplus energy in form of heat which may be emitted from the exhaust. In COP efficiency, it MAY BE over 100% efficient, but not if you only were taking into account the 350 watts that went into it. There may be an excess in 350 watts of heat, & if so, you must account for the extra quantum energy source.

[a1mint]

Please define what you mean by "natural energy"? And provide a link to something credible that explains it, scientifically.

What "surplus energy"? What does that mean? Please elaborate.

And what does "quantum energy" mean.

Please don't refer me to Google. Provide something credible right here right now.

[mattimber]

The energy comes literally from thin air. It's the energy created from nothing, or the "energy of nothing," as Dr. Michio Kaku say, see: watch?v=uGPpxH03--Y. It's basically anti-gravity, or "dark energy" and is the opposite dipolarity of all mass, and makes up over 74% of the universe.

[a1mint]

Your creating energy from thin air is just fantasy.

And anti-gravity, dark energy, and all that other stuff has nothing to do with your HHO heater.

Fact is, your HHO heater produces the EXACT same amount of heat than any cheapo electric space heater. *That* is a carved in stone, bona fide, ultimate FACT.

[mattimber]

When you have nothing left in your "argument" you fall back to riducule and denial, which is so typical of people trapped in the scientific dogma of Newtonian physics. You have no idea of what you say and can not make any claim of this heater unless you can measure it, so STFU until you do, and read a little current events on quantum physics and call me later when you're ready to admit you're wrong about this and you don't know what you're talking about.

[a1mint]

A contained box with anything inside that uses an X amount of electricity, by definition will produce the exact same amount of heat as any other contained box using the same amount of electricity - or else you'd be violating the law of conservation of energy.

PERIOD.

[jdtrickster]

Unless builder, designer of X contained box has a design of lesser quality or workmanship. Why else do we have the concept of paying more for the better product. Your mind is closed to think that everything to be invented has been invented. I think my teacher talked about you back in grade school. Said something about ignorance.

[d1incharge]

@a1mint Laws are meant to be broken. There are no facts on this planet, only our independant veiws on things, theory. This universe could be w/in a skin cell of the left nut of a gigantic clown, and you think you know the facts.You could be living in a tube matrix style while aliens take turns butt raping you.........fact is a word saved for the vocabulary of idiots, there is my idea of fact.

[antibunker]

@d1incharge

Only a true idiot tries to pretend the laws of universe are not fixed as an excuse to sell HHO.

[d1incharge]

@antibunker Few of the hho people out there are there to sell it. Most are just intrigued by it. Do you not realize, that wind generators are shut down on windy days if there is no demand, because there is no cheap way to store it. HHO is becoming more and more popular as storage for commercial and home solar panels, or wind generators, and whether you like it or not, is just getting bigger and better. I think even hobby lobby has a little solar car kit, that runs on hydrogen from water.

[antibunker]

@d1incharge

Some of the "intrigued" people end up buying parts from people that sell HHO related parts. That is why the HHO sales people inject false hope.

In the electric grid, there is a base electric source from nuclear, hydro, wind.

It does not supply everything, and the remaining amount is supplied by fossil fuels which are easy to turn on and off.

Whether HHO can be used to efficiently store energy, I don't know.

But HHO in cars makes no sense.

[antibunker]

@d1incharge

Also, HHO for home heating makes no sense either.

Every watt of energy used is converted to heat. There is nowhere else for that energy to go. You can also not create more than 1 watt worth of energy from 1 watt of energy.

[goobergel]

@d1incharge I am not aware of anywhere where hydrogen is being used for storage on a large scale. It may be applicable for things like vehicles but on a massive scale it just cannot rival the efficiency of current power storage methods. Currently we rely primarily on pumping water up into receivers for energy storage. This can actually be rather efficient.

[d1incharge]

@a1mint You think you have a point about heat produced, but you know nothing of efficiently using that same btu to keep a human body warm. How warm would your 80k btu heater feel in a far bedroom w/out the furnace fan moving the air? You mean there are different ways of taking a btu, and making a human feel warm with it? NO WAY! This topic is about using X btu, to make a person feel warm. Get yourself a 325watt electric resistances style heater, unhook the fan, tell us it is the same. PERIOD.

[antibunker]

@d1incharge

An electric space heater is by definition 100% efficient.

Anyone producing any type of space heater in a contained box without any way of the energy to escape the room (eg. exhaust to outside), they are all equally efficient.

100% of the electricity used is converted to heat.

[beforebefore]

"Science" once stated with complete certainty that "flight" (with flying machines) was impossible... as well as supersonic flight - once flight itself was proven possible - regardless of what "Science" stated.

We are not "god"... we don't know everything there is to be known... we are still learning as long as we know we don't know everything.

[beforebefore]

a1mint - Resistive heating is by no means 100% efficient in space heating... I/R losses and losses in transferring that heat to the air degrade the efficiency drastically.

Chemical conversion is much more efficient... for example home Heat Pumps... which are far more efficient, even though they waste energy in the mechanical apparatus.

Don't be so fast to close out possibilities, just because it hasn't been done before.

[a1mint]

If a heater is not 100% efficient, then what is the energy being lost to? The laws of conservation of energy state that you can not create or destroy energy. The heater uses electricity, and 100% of the wattage it draws is converted to heat.

These are the laws of nature. You can't get around that, and purposely confusing the matter with all that made up fraudulent crap isn't going to work.

[a1mint]

1) The law of nature of the conservation of energy, states that you can not create or consume energy.

2) Energy is being converted, and eventually all is released as heat.

3) The losses in the conversion process is also heat.

4) A straight electric heater with same wattage will heat exactly equal.

[mattimber]

I am not arguing that energy is not being created. Im saying that vacuum energy is NOT conserved, and can be tapped using such tech as the water fuel cell in this heater. Google video search "Tom Valone" & see the lecture I sent to you. These heaters may or may not be over-unity (COP efficiency > 1.0, much like most refrigerators). If there is Overunity in form of heat, then acknowledge the source of surplus energy, the quantum vacuum flux field. Google: "Tom Bearden Energy From Vacuum DVD"

[a1mint]

So, your heater is more than 100% efficient? Shall we consider the world's energy problems solved then?

[mattimber]

I never claimed it was. I have not done testing on it. Local universities have refused to test it without disclosing how the test will be done, and what they will test it for. I can try the universities here in Dayton instead of Boise, but I wouldn't be suprised if there is excess energy in the form of heat. Since I am a distributer, I won't make any claims that I can't back up - yet.

I can tell you that it makes a lot of heat for 350 watts of power (1/5 power of IR heaters use).

[a1mint]

So if your heater is not more than 100% efficient, how would it compete with ordinary space heaters, *all* of which are 100% efficient?

A few light bulbs *have* to going off at this point...

[mattimber]

This is not an ordinary space heater (electric resistive heating). The 350 watts of power mostly go to the dry cell, heating the water & creating HHO, which is recycled in the water. The gas is ignited, while the hot air from the copper tubing carrying the heated water is passed over the HHO flame with two small computer fans. Nearest match is the infrared heaters, (1-1.5 KW). I've not yet had a side-by-side comparison, but plan to. I'd wager the HHO heater puts out more heat for 1/5 the power.

[a1mint]

You're talking about a complicated method of converting electricity to heat.

Fact is, it can not, by definition, because of the laws of nature, be more than 100% efficient.

A plain old el cheapo ordinary electric space heater, is by definition, 100% efficient.

You can not be more efficient than 100%, yet you suggest your contraption can.

So you either have not clued in, or else you're lying.

[mattimber]

I am talking about the Coefficient of Performance, or COP efficiency, and IS possible to go past 100%. COP subtracts the energy output of the machine from the manmade input of the machine, taking account any natural energy which is entrained in the device and realized in the output energy. Most refrigerators & similar heat pumps are >1.0 COP. If the HHO heater is >1.0 COP, the most likely source of environmental energy added is the zero point energy field (which Tesla called "Radiant Energy").

[a1mint]

It doesn't matter what kind of convoluted unrelated distracting nonsense horseshit you barf up, going past 100% means that you are creating energy and that is impossible.

[mattimber]

I welcome a good healthy debate if only to educate, but name-calling and ridicule are signs of having nothing left to your argument. I've cited references, explained my case in detail, and your response is to go into denial. Religeous fundamentalism is akin to an adhearence to scientific dogma of Newtonian physics. The thinking that modern (mainstream) science knows all, and that if "science" says it's impossible, it must be so. Take off the blinders and open your mind, dude!

[a1mint]

More than 100% efficiency is impossible, according to the rules of the universe. You can not break those rules.

[Sumermagor]

its not good, because instead you can use simple clean electricity for heating, and there would be no energy loss,

[water4fuelh20]

Do you no how electricity is made here in the US? Dirty coal by products that has our planet in trouble. There are many ways to power this heater without the use of (constant) a/c current. With the right cell design efficiency is great. Good cell designs produce high output with extremely low watt hours,

[mattimber]

Only 300 watts are applied to the cell, or perhaps even less. The fan might be extra or included in the total power consumption of the device. The explaination of overunity is the Casimir Effect (see Wikipedia) and vacuum energy (AKA dark energy) is entrained in the gas and comes through as heat. The copper tubing helps to carry the charge and heat and help transmit the radiant heat, allowing it to heat 1500 sq ft of space with it.

[Philldapill85]

Shut the hell up. Where is the Casimir Effect coming into play? Vacuum Energy(which is NOT dark energy)? Just shut the hell up and stop spreading misinformation.

[goobergel]

@Philldapill85 "Shut the hell up. Where is the Casimir Effect coming into play? Vacuum Energy(which is NOT dark energy)? Just shut the hell up and stop spreading misinformation."

Yes Comrade! Spread the good word of truth and sanity! These guys are ridiculous con artist. I have written a complaint to the BBB as well as RippoffReport and will submit them monday morning. They won't do anything...but at least a complaint will be on file for any wise shoppers who check for it.

[Philldapill85]

You jackass. Even your name is BS. Water is NOT a fuel. Water is spent FUEL - like ashes after a campfire. It's the ashes left over from when you burn Hydrogen. Your name is intentionally misleading... You need energy to split the water - that energy is the fuel, not water.

Asshole.

[goobergel]

@Philldapill85 "You need energy to split the water - that energy is the fuel, not water.

Asshole."

Thank you...somebody needed to say it.

[Zeddy100]

@Philldapill85 Why are you so mad? Take a chill pill.....and shove it up your ass, hahahahha.

[WoundedEgo]

What is not being discussed is the efficiency of the conversion. The unit uses electricity (from a plug in the wall) to do the conversion. Does the HHO output per kilowatt exceed that of a compressor?

[vernieman21]

i agree, is is definitely NOT A COST EFFECTIVE alternative to gas.

[Philldapill85]

Exactly! The thing get's it's energy form the wall outlet - 120VAC. A space heater is 100% efficient due to the nature of it as a heat dissipation unit. In other words, every watt of electricity is converted into a watt of heat. If electricity were more cost effective than gas, they would be using it! An HHO unit isn't even 100% efficient, so just use a damn space heater that uses electricity...

[mattimber]

@Philldapill85:

I welcome debate on this product, but please keep it civil. Bear in mind, your credibility is diminished with your denials and ridicule.

The Casimir Effect is occurring in the HHO heaters dry cell, and any piezoelectric device for that matter. The HHO HHUs efficiencys is better than that of a typical electric resistive heater with a fan, because the recirculated waters heat is also captured by the fan, which blows across the HHO-heated copper.

[Philldapill85]

@mattimber

Are you kidding? My credibility is diminished because I deny your claims? wtf?

Do you even know what the casimir effect is? It has to do with virtual particles popping in and out of existance. How in the heck can you possibly say it has anything to do with HHO? Have you tested this? Any other piezoelectric device? NO IT ISN'T! Where do you get this garbage from?

I'm an electrical engineer. I don't care about credibility in your eyes... I actually DO know what I'm talking about.

[mattimber]

@Philldapill85

Look it up on Wikipedia. (The casmir effect). I doubt your claims and your background. You sound to me like a skeptic who loves to burst bubbles for the fun of it, and I have no time for folks like you, which is why you are now blocked. Sorry, dude!

[11supaman11]

you still have to buy plans and schematics, I probably plan to but if anyone has them and can lend to me it would be much appreciated.

[11supaman11]

what ever happened to the hydrosonic pump, that was another silenced miracle.

[mattimber]

The hydrosonic pump is still being made. The patents & technology was sold to the new owners of Hydro Dynamics Inc, in Rome Georgia. The company is focusing on industrial heating for processes, such as pasteurization, and not pursuing the home or business heating market. Also, the say their product is not 130% efficient, but in the high 90s%. Even so, a cavitation heater from this company installed in a home or small business can be around $250K!

[mattimber]

Plus you have the problem with steam heat and a good heat exchanger is not really around from what I can tell, and steam heating is complex. So, I've settled on the fact that if you want clean energy and heating, it's best to use other means like resistive electric heating or geothermal heat sinks/heat pumps. This HHO heater gives me hope though.

[vernieman21]

this HHO heater is less efficient than whatever you have in your home now. its a scam..

[soundofgeek]

@vernieman21:

Strictly speaking, it probably doesn't waste any energy - all the electrical energy is eventually going to end up as heat, no matter what pointless contraption we run it through.

[panzerchaos47]

vernieman21

lol 300 watts or 1500 watt portable heater? Learn2math next time.

Do not get me started on house heater too. It's useless your heating a room that is no in use or people like the cold. I wanted my sister to have because she the only one in the family suffer from the winter.

[kaduisaui]

I hope they do well so everybody can get one!