Muslims are shit eater of Pigs . Allah is being fucked hard ny Pig. thats why they dont eat PIg . Muslims are being killed all around world at Large India Pakistan afghanistan sri lanka china rusia indonesia isreal every where Most Advanced and Powerful Countries are Non Muslims America England rusia China Japan Isreal France India Korea All are non Muslim country Christians are killing muslims in their own countries Kuwait Iraq Sudan Pakistan Afghanistan Libya Ha ha ha ha Muslims Pigs
mathmatical miracles in the Q'ran. I hypothesize, that if it is so, then it is in the structure. The frequencies that are put out by a reciter seem to be built on the same principles as those of "healing frequencies" such as the Solfleggio frequencies. Thusly the calming effects of the recitation.
All so called Islamic mathematics and medical science is actually from Indians like philosophy etc from greeks....watch my videos on Islamic mathematics...
P.S Muslims later added many things to them but origin is not Quran but works of Kafirs (as always)
@anu123km kafir has been taking shower in cow's piss, he doesn't know wut standards of hygienes to use. How can he even contribute in science? tell me Mr Historian.
.Muhammed had so many women in his bed and yet muslims consider him to be a true prophet of God.Jesus was the only one who was sinless he is the one we ought to follow.
@muhammedquran Solomon had over 500 wives some of which could not even walk when they were wed to him...thats because they were political marriages...the same is true of most the Prophet Mohameds wives
The Quran says that sperm is generated in the Backbone[Quran 86:6]. This idea was proposed by Greek scientists, and copied by Mohammed. If we had copyright laws 1400 years ago, Mohammed would have been jailed for copyright infringement and there would be no Islam today.
Are you for real? Or just proving how STUPID adherants to Islam are! Don't forget the plate sized Sun setting in the east in a muddy pool, or sperm coming from the backbone. Perfect book ha.
I am for real while your capacity for understanding is certainly not. How about actually watching a video to prevent you from posting stupid comments?
This guy johnhurren appears to me to be a troll. I recommend not feeding him. The points you make in your video seem perfectly straightforward to me. Keep up the good work.
@johnhurren When he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water
Something is wrong here.... When he reached the setting of the sun, he SAW it ( sun ) set in a spring of murky water...He thinks he saw that the sun was landing or drowning at Atlantic Ocean ( muddy pool ) but it was just passing ( night time comes ) that's just gramatical error in translation from Arab to English
You can pick ANY number and make it significant. I have an electronics degree and a post grad in Physics with technology. I reallty can't be bothered arguing with an idiot like you, but here's an example.
I'm 49, root 49 is 7. 7 is gods number because there are 7 days in a week and 7 days it took to create the world. See, a randomly picked number is related to creation. I DO NOT THINK SO.
Your 'mathematics' are spurious , your so called religion of peace is moribund.
have i told you about muhammad kissing hassines penis ? im not joking google al hubeir by ibn hagar scrolled down to #169 ,,, or #60-61,,,,or read al tarbari p127,, or read abdallah bin adiy v6 page 149 this as witnessed by 23 of his men ,,, bwaa ha ha ha LOOK IT UP !
@lesterclaypool1 your an idiot. your statements are stupid. false upon disgusting false. i dont think i have heard one peicve of decent truth from your comments only disgusting falsehood. but i still prey that you find the truth. May Allah Guide you to the truth, may Allah Open your heart. and if not you then from your children i hope there will be rightous children.and if not them then your childrens children. and i hope you live long enough to see it.
go read a book this is a joke ,,, what a farse ,,, please every body read the comments between me and jeremias 1111 ,,, take a good look at this conversation ,,, then go to the information i left for him to refference and compare what theres
@Jeremias1111 dont worry any one reading this will search out what i say and learn the truth and thats all that matters because the koran isnt any where close to the truth ,,,,in part because it was nt written when the events it talks about happened ,,, how can the koran talk about some thing that happened a thousand years before its writter were alive in another country ? it cant ,,, but it trys
your book of less than 600 pages is not the work of any god or prophet of god and historically it a joke ,,, just like the seven sleepers of euphious written over 300 years before there was islam or a koran or muhammad ,,, look it up or the plagerised works of the greeks like galen ,,, do it learn
SO LETS CONTINUE SHALL WE ? WERE ARE YOU REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS ? THE KORAN SAYS THEY ARE BETWEEN THE BACK BONES AND RIBS ,,, MINE ARE BELOW THE HIPS centered at the pubic bone ,,, and the koran also says life starts as a clot ,, well guess what nolife on this planet starts as a clot ,,, as well the koran says the bone of a fetus fom first another lie ,,, no bone form before the flesh of a fetus ,,, would you like to comment ?
every body just google amenhotep111 time line ,,, tell this child what it says and who it indicates as is and their time line according to history ,,,,, and if it was nt amenhotep111 both the parohs before and after were not found in water or drowned ,,, the koran is incorrect ,,, all three were found in the valley of the kings all three were not drowned ,,there also much much more proof
@lesterclaypool1 what is the agreed average of days in a year today, is it not 365, even if we say that no the days are exactly 365.5 or what ever its besides the point the quran doesnt state the number of days in a year. only that the number of times day is written seems to be what we take as the average days in a year today. so you can call it co incidence, and i can call it a form of signiture, of the writter, of course there are all the other signitures.
@JEMOMER yes but the arabic lunar calader is 360 days and guess what else start counting because your information is wrong look it up see for your self you have been lied to ,,, now go look it up or better yet start counting
@Jeremias1111 the Exodus occurred in the third year of the reign of the pharaoh Amenhotep II.
his body was found in the his tomb ,,, not as the koran says its well recored and documented ,,as a matter of dr Muarce Bucillie ,, hes also the one who retracted his statements made about the korans beening a scienific book ,,, bwaa ha ha its true ,,, just another islamic fraud
@Jeremias1111 just look them up and trust me we know the paroh was Amenhotep the second ,,, you may not know this but the rest of the world does ,,, and its documented and guess were his body was found ,,,, in his tomb ,,, i got a better idea you tell me the dates ,,, tell us what your koran says ,,, even tho it was even written until thousands of years after this bwaaa ha ha now go look it up LEARN some thing for once
I have looked it up long time ago. People try to connect the exodus to several pharaos. But no connection has been proven yet. Actually there is not even evidence that the exodus happened at all.
So it would be nice if you chose to provide sources for your claims.
@Jeremias1111 oh my goodness ,,, look it up ,,, there are many ways to find it out either in eygptson records and christian ,,, or even the pagan records ,, they all have written about it and him now go learn look it up ,,,, and guess what even if it was not amenhotep 11 ,,, the other didnt drowned ,,, thats an epic failure ,,, but go look it up any ways LEARN some thing !
@Jeremias1111 i gave you the information go look it up lazy ? or dont know how ? ok just type in amenhotep111 open the first search it will likely be the one at the top of the list and yes we have lots of documentation on the subject and heres the facts , the parohs before and after amenhotpe111 his father and his son , neither were found as said in the koran this gives an three generation window of these men and mosses with dates including the passover / know what this means ?right ?
@Jeremias1111 i already have lets look at the facts and i will give you all the evedence and thats more than you can do trust me im not new at disproving islam and its very very easy to do with truth ,,,, lets compare what the koran says and facts ,,, ok ? better yet lets look at all of islams writting shall we ? lets look at the claims of islam read what i gave you its all from the koran and science
@Jeremias1111 i gave you the surahs and what to google ,,, go see for your self ,,, what a waste of time you ve turned out to be ,,, i caught you straight away and you have nothing ,,, your really bad at this
@Jeremias1111 we can see by the many things in the quran,the way it is written the description of sciences found in them. the fact that there was a prophecy,that was something that happened in the past would be found in the future,like the preserved body of the pharoah. which was found MUMMIFIED but amazingly preserved, this was in the quran and we only found it years ago.many other factors which says "Muhammed pbuh,didnt write this Book"rather these words were put into his mouth by Allah
@Jeremias1111 thanks again for your concentrating. and pointing out my mistake, but the fact still stands that the Quran's prophecy still stands. you cannot say that there is evidence against it. but i can say there is evidence for it. due to this Mummy being discovered and the autopsy findings
@Jeremias1111 just look it up he didnt become muslim and he got paid for his work ,,, then years after he publically recanted what he said just go look it up ,,, we have nt even got to the good stuff yet and your panicing ? wiat till we discuss pragnacy ,,,, ha ha ha
I know that there is no evidence that he became Muslim. But I know of no statement that would show that he recanted. So I ask you again to provide a source for your claims.
@Jeremias1111 i did look it up ,,, search what i told you to search or are you lazy ? type in parohs time line ,,, amenhotep111 ,,, do it see what it says ,, all the facts are right there who found him when what he died of where he was found and the same for your lessor paroh memeptah ,, i also gave you the koranic surah that say this foolishness ,,,, so you really believe that muhammad knew what he was talking about aye ? uhmmm do the wings of a fly contain all the ills and another cures ?
@Jeremias1111 are you joking ? really chump you have brought nothing to this debate and thats what you got ? you wont even take the time to look it up ,, your some thing else what a loser
@lesterclaypool1 ooohh what ever, man are my eyes decieving me or what. there are books he wrote, lectures. the man is a muslim, he even learnt the arabic langiage. he stated that he went through the science presented in the quran, in great detail and found them all to be scientifically correct.
@JEMOMER well the experts dont agree with him or you and i certinly can use their argument against the koran ,, and much much more ,, you think im new to this ? ,, ell guess again and i can show you fraud after fraud that the koran commits and even plagerisms ,, that the koran stole from other writting that are lder than the koran ,,, but contain that exact messages and storys ,,,, like the seven sleepers of euphieous ,,, look that one up tell me if it sounds famillure then check the dates
@lesterclaypool1 he is an expert, go check up on the guys degrees.. you wouldnt even be able to show me notr even one sentence. of the quran that is like the sentence of somthing else. no the quran never contains the exact of the stories before it. only the truth of them. it agrees with the first commandment, "know oh isreal your God is one", by saying"there is no God but Allah" in other words "La illahe il Allah" the bible is corrupt man. u can use it but never an take it to be 100%.
@JEMOMER wow you really got that one wrong ,, the bible was written hundreds of year before there ever was a koran ,,, before there was muslims ,,, before there was muhammad ,,, and the bible does not care about your silly prophet that could nt read but certinly could murder and take slaves ,,,, those are the facts show me one biblcal verses that mentions muhammad ,,, do it just give these verses ,,, face it your book of less than 600 pages is a joke and filled with foolishness
@Jeremias1111 memeptah was also found in amentohep11 tomb with 18 other mumified parohs in tomb kv35 ,,, you DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT ,,, OR YOUR LYING ! he was seti the greats grand father ,,, bring your evedence ,, lets compare ,,, just try to tell me it was this memeptah the oldest paroh ,,, he reigned 10 years ,,, but not at the time of mosses ,, come on bring the facts ,, lets see the truth !!!STOP LYING IT MAKE YOU LOOK BAD !
@Jeremias1111 bwaaa ha ha ha then your koran is a lier because it says the name of mosses ,,, it does want to see ? your a FOOL for even starting this with me ,,, i know what im talking about and will show you the koran is a fraud 100 % with out doubt ! lets continue shall we ? so how about how life starts in the koran ,, do you think you were once a clot ? or a leech ? or a skeleton with no flesh ? ,,,
@Jeremias1111 they say there might have been two pharoes at the time of moses, as in one at a time. not together at the same time. what do you think??
Since it is not shown when Moses existed or if he existed at all there is no way to tell what the political situation in Egypt at his lifetime might have been.
@Jeremias1111 he never does because i isnt ,,, but he did get paid well for saying what he said even if it isnt true and debunked by all the other scientists world wide ,,, not to mention the actual authoritys on the sublects ,,,,
@lesterclaypool1 you mean keith more, debunked what bucaille said about embyology? where show us. and you can never show us. tell us keith moore knows nothing about embryology.u just cant take it christians are becomeing muslim by the millions and thousands expecially the intelligent ones.
@JEMOMERno kieth moores own book goes directly against what the koran says about embryology read it look it up his own words on embryology totally debunk the koran and your also quite wrong about christians becomming muslim , look it up most new reverts to islm last less than a year why ? because they read the koran even if the imams say not to last year alone in africa 8 million muslims left islam thats just one year trust me the words getting out and the koran isits own worst enemy
@JEMOMER you havent read dr moores book have you ? or you would know what im saying ,,, hes a canadian doctor ,, and he wrote about embryology ,,, read it
@Jeremias1111 well i watched a video of him, the bible Quran and science, in it he says "salam aleykum" to greet the people, he also states that he believes that the quran is true 100% in regards to scientific truth , (i could presume he means the whole quran but you could say know that he only ment the scientific truths) he learnt arabic,to try and understand the terminoligy. he Kept saying i am not a sheik.why when one is asked religious questions would they reply a am not a sheik.....
@Jeremias1111 so the last point was he says i am not a sheik. he could have said i am not a muslim. i just study the science in the quran. then of course you can say that that is not evidence i think watching the video and litening to what he says you can pretty much determine that he is a Muslim.in that particular video, then of course we have the biography of his life, and that states it. his book bible quran and science states it.
@JEMOMER you see part of the problem is dr bucaille is a doctor not a scientist ,,, and have you read doctor moores works ? i have and guess what he got paid well to but his works totally debunk pragnacy and the korans account of it ,,, look his work up read it
@Jeremias1111 i dont care much for the exodus in the bible. ima muslim not a christian. there books are filled with contradictions because they changed with there own hands what God had revealed to them.
I did not mention the bible at all. I do not think it is much more reliable than the quran.
I pointed out these mistakes because I think that a pattern will show. I claimed in my very first statement regarding the pharao that I am convinced that this will turn out as an example for a lack of factchecking on your side.
So let us go on.
1. You claim that Bucaille has become a Muslim. I am pretty sure that you do not have any evidence for that claim.
2. In "The Bible, the Quran and Science" Bucaille does not mention a single fact from his examination of Merneptahs body that would support the claim that the Pharao drowned.
@Jeremias1111 the facts would be in the documents which he would have wrote, whilst examining, where they are i dont know maybe you can search for them, i dont feel the neccecity to. but i do think that what ever the facts were he briefly covers them. and he was under the impression that the pharoah in qurstion had drowned. deny all you want, doesnt change anything for me, the evidence is there,that he believed the pharoah drown, some may see it some may not, its upto the individual.
The "documents he would have wrote" is "The bible, the quran and science", dont you think so?
I do not have to deny anything here. I just have to refer to what Bucaille actually says.
Apparently you can not present one single fact from the videos you watched with Bucaille that would support the claim that Merneptah drowned.
And so your conviction that Bucaille had shown scientifically that the pharao drowned is completely baseless. But you still stick to it. I find that quite telling
If you one day actually read Bucailles book you can learn how he actually comes to the idea that Merneptah drowned:
He derives -from the bible!- that Merneptah must have been the pharao of the exodus. Thats it. That is all his proof. No science at all. Just a weak bible interpretation.
@Jeremias1111 actually it had to do with the lungs, salt remnants, and traces that the pharoah in question died from i believe the word was asphyxiation. that is what i understood. i really havent seen any writting on the conrary to that by this particular person bucaille, so that is the bases on which i believe this to be that pharoah that the quran spoke of.hey then again it may not be this exact pharoah. it may be another one,& they may find him at the bottom of the sea, in Good condition
@JEMOMER heres the problem with that ,,, they already have amenhepto 3rd body ,,, and he was indeed the paroh at the time of mosses ,,, dont like the truth ? does not matter the truth remains
@Jeremias1111 Dr bucaille says in his book bible quran and science."I must admit that it was certainly not faith in Islam that first guided my steps, but simply a desire to search for the truth. This is how I see it today. It was mainly the facts which, by the time I had finished my study, led me to see the Qur’an as the divinely-revealed text it really is."......Does this not imply that he is a Muslim
@Jeremias1111 In his excitement, he stood before the attendants and loudly said, "I have converted to Islam and believed in this Qu'ran" a biography of bucailli says this is what he said in a conference in saudi arabia.
@JEMOMER wait a minute your saying the bibles been changed ? yet there are more skrits and scrolls found that translate the exact same even today ,,,, and guess what they are on display and we have found some pounded into copper ,,, but your koran ,, let take a look shall we it was written on bones pieces of wood , skins and found in memories ,,, and what did ubeyy and umar say about them ,,, we have gathered what is avaiable but some have been for gotten or lost to those who have died !
@lesterclaypool1 the authenticity of the quran has been proven. and the information is there. it is as was revealed to the prophet, unchanged.this has been proven and i believe it. no body is forcing you to believe it. this statement is a fabrication.
@Jeremias1111 the evidences for why the quran hasnt been changed since it was revealed, and that it is still the same word for word, scince Muhammed uttered them,
is availible in lectures and in books, of course you can get books appossing this by people who dislike islam. then again you can find a hate book against anybody or any thing.i have looked at some of the evidences up to the point where i said. that is enough proof for me, i believe this to be the unchanged word of Allah.
@JEMOMER what if ican show you some of the differences in korans ,,, ? and it is all information found in islamic books and writtings seriously ,, start reading the hadiths
@lesterclaypool1 you would have to show me differences in the quran not in hadith. there is no muslim out there that says all the hadiths that ever existed are actually authentic. these go through certain stages to define authenticity. and all the scholors say this, if you find any of these hadiths that go against the Quran get it and throw it to the wall.in his life time imam bukari, went through 600,000 supposed hadiths and through the authenticity process brought it down to 6000.
@Jeremias1111 you are free to have different ideas based on the same information, that was availible to me.if you feel that you have done enough reseach in that department to come to that conclusion, that is completely up to you, i dont agree with your conclusion,but thats my opinion. and it doesnt matter to you.
@Jeremias1111 why, that i object to it is quite clear from my being a muslim. however, there is no compultion in religion, like i said the same information is there for the both of us, i can look at it and get one understanding and you can look at it and get another understanding. To change your understanding , these blogs may not be enough. but i dont need the quran or any other scripture to believe that there is One creator.
@Jeremias1111 then your question may be , why did i choose Islam? and if we agreed on the first point that there is a Creator, then we would be able to move to this question why Islam?, i am not sure that we agree on that first point, about the existence of a Creator. So it would be pointless to tell you that the quran is from that Creator.
@JEMOMER bwaaa ha ha the koran a joke and if you read what umar and ubeyy say its not verified or complete ,,, or read the authorised aishsa ,,, she evebn had complete surahs eaten by a tame sheep ,,,, and it wasnt gathered together until after muhammads death ,,, what a failure
@JEMOMER thats right no bodys forcing me to believe this fraudelent book ,,, but you should know the facst of your basing your beliefs in this book ,,, and your soul ,,, for that matter ,,, just to tell the truth ,,, but im sure if you keep reading the koran you ll see this for your self ,,,, you ll come across a surah and go wait a minute that does not sound truthful ,, and you cant lie to your self
@lesterclaypool1 i know the facts from the fiction, but that is my understanding of it. i look at evidences , and when i am satisfied about believing it or not believing it. then i move on there is know need to keep digging, i am happy that the quran is unchanged, that it is the word of Allah, the One creator or all. other books and beliefs, are full of deciept and evil and corruption, that is according to the information as aknowledged by me.(others also hold this opinion)
@JEMOMER well actually you dont know the facts from the fiction ,,, for instance look up the[ seven sleeper of euphious ] a plagerised story found also in the koran ,,,, or lets look at history and your koran ,,, did you know the koran has been changed and was not the complete works of muhammad ? it true want proof ? read umar or ubeyy see what their word say about it ,,, or read the authorised aisha ,,, she even says at least two complete surah were eaten by a tame sheep ... google it
@lesterclaypool1 firstly you said you would find contradictions in the quran. then you went on to present hadith that supposedly contradicts the quran. but i ask where does the word of God contradict the word of God, not where doe the word Of Man contradict the word of God, if i was after the later i would simply have to open the bible.
@JEMOMER ok where does the sun rest ? and like it or not amenhetop 3rd was found in his tomb ,,, and he didnt drowned but the koran says the paroh drownd,, this is the parroh of mosses he was found in kv8 ,,, ok you really think the different flys wings have the ills and cure of every think ? or that a fetus has its bone then they get covered with flesh ? or the buraq flew ? or that nun has the earth on its back ? THINK
@lesterclaypool1 and as i said Bukari for instance went through 600,000 supposed hadiths and narrowed them down to about 6000. and added if any of the remaining hadith go against the quran. then get it and throw it to the wall.
@JEMOMER YA WELL HE MISSED A FEW ,,,, for instance was the earth made in 6 or 8 days ? and where does the orbit / course of the sun go to ? and where does the sun rest/ stay still for an appointed time ? because the koran says all of these ,,, and well to honest we havent found a orbit/course of the sun ,, its heading for the star system vega and that the truth ,,,,, and it does not ever stay still or rest as the koran says it does ,,,,,, does it ? no it does nt
@lesterclaypool1 Allah never states that the sun rests. Allah says the sun is in an orbit, and that it is moving toward an appointed place., so is it orbitting yes it most definitly is. and is it moving toward an appointed place yes it most definitly is and even you say that one and i have given my surah refrences to this. where as you havent
@JEMOMER36:38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.,,,, oh really ? hmmm ? whats this ? it would appear you are wrong again ,,,and im sure i can show two surahs that say similar things one saying the sun rests under allahs throne ,,, and another saying it rests in a muddy creek ,,, but this will do ,,, so where does the sun rest ?
@lesterclaypool136:38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. that is an acurate translation of that verse. in fact we could probably get it even more accurate, but this one at least will show that the translation you have, is not a very accurate one.
@JEMOMER36:38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. Waalshshamsu tajree limustaqarrin lahathalika taqdeeru alAAazeezi alAAaleem
@lesterclaypool1 what are the other verses, give me the translation your reading along with the verse numbers. and i will show you that you are wrong.
@JEMOMER36:40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). La alshshamsu yanbaghee lahaan tudrika alqamara wala allaylu sabiqu alnnahariwakullun fee falakin yasbahoona
does that say orbit ? hmmmm well the sun does have a orbit ,, does it ? no it doesnt
@JEMOMER well lets take a deeper look at what your saying ,, well first off you relise the parohs body was found not be drowned or even in water as a matter of fact look it up ,,, The body was discovered in the tomb of Amenhotep II in 1898. [2,12] thats the tomb of amenhotep,, you are quite wrong ! look it up
I assume that he tells in the youtube video the same as he writes in his book, which I read. If not, please tell me at what point he talks about the pharao so that I do not have to watch the whole hour.
Bucaille writes in his book about the autopsy of Merneptah, not Amenhotep as Lester assumed.
If you mean this autopsy you made two false claims already:
1. Unlike you said the autopsy was not done by the person who found the body.
@Jeremias1111 i dont know about the exodus or what ever, all i know is that the sergeon who autopsied the body. believed it to be that pharoah that was spoken of in the story of moses and the seperation of the sea.and the time line fits, and it is amazingly preserved. So in anycase we could say that the pharoah that the quran speaks about that would be a sign for those to come, would be the one that maurice B, did an autopsy on
@Jeremias1111 i ahd thought that the person who found the body had done the autopsy, how ever you are correct the body was given to maurice bucaille who was an expert in the feild, who then came to the conclusion that the body in question had drowned. the unmummified was a typo, thanks for picking up on that, it was mummified however still amazingly preserved as aposed to other mummies, even thought it had been extracted from the sea
@Jeremias1111 i think i was going to start that particular sentence differently then changed my mind, give me a break i write some of these at 3 am 4 am. im not infallible, never said i was.
@Jeremias1111 im not with lester, if you read the opst i think he kinda hates me.ok so the Body of the paroah in question belongs to mernepta, ill take your word for it.man seriously look at the big picture. the pharoah is preserved amazingly. and he drowned in the sea. the quran talks about a pharoah who was drowned in the sea. and that they would be preserved.how did the writter of the quran know they fished the body out of the water?that is the $1,000000 question
@Jeremias1111 you think i dont know aye ? ok prove me wrong lets just see who telling the truth look up amenhotep111 and tutmosis or tutmoses11 and tutmoses or tutmosis 1v and see where they were found not where you think and certinly not under water or drowned, its very well documented, you think every one just takes information like muslims do ? no no theres actual documentation and it disproves your koran dont like it dont care the truth remains !
@lesterclaypool1 its irellivent. it is believed that the pharoah who was examined died of drowning, the pharoah can be traced back tot he time of moses. the quran says that the body would be saved, preserved, and there are a few other translations meaning more or lees preserved. and the writter of the Quran knew this.
These books date hundrets or even thousands of years after the alledged lifetime of Abraham and his sons.
They are historical texts that tell us a lot about the time of their origin, and for sure can tell us about what people believed at that time with regards to Abraham. But they are not evidence regarding the historical existence of Abraham or Ishmael.
@Jeremias1111 thats depends on the veiw taken about the validity of the Books. liker i said if we dont first Agree that there is a God then wether or not i prove to you wether there is any grounds to believe that abraham exsisted or ishameal exsisted or isaac exsisted, is pointless in it self. the cause of my belief in Abraham and ishmael, and isaac, are because i believe the quran to be the un created word of God.
@Jeremias1111 So if we were to Accept that the quran, was indeed the word of God. then the belief that ishmael exsisted would not be baseless. like i said we have the same information but you choose to look at it one way and i choose to look at it the other. but you cannot say that my believing that ishmael exsisted is baseless, because you cannot disprove that the quran is from God.and i dont have to prove to you that it is from God.i could just show you.&u make up your mind.FREE WILL.
@JEMOMER but it is not the paroh of mosses ,,,, i have showed you this ,,, like it or not ,,, amenhotep the 3rd was the paroh at this time ,,, we also know when the first pass over was by daye which tell us when this paroh lived and where ,,, you dont look at all the evedence do you ? and if you read the works of the pagan at this time in history they all point amenhotep 3rd as beenint the paroh at this time ,,,, bot to mention the eygptson hyroglyphs all point to this ,,,do the research
@JEMOMER wrong ,,, amenhepto 3rd was nt drowned ,,, and the evendence proves this and he was the paroh of this time verified many ways ,,,,, the koran and its writter were nt even alive at the time of this occureance and thats a facts ,,, and this and many other blunders prove their lack of historical knowage ,,, including the joke that solomon had a flying carpet ,,, written thousands of year after solomon walked ,,, even the writting when he was alive dony mention it ,,,, but koran does
@Jeremias1111 show the histoical evedence that prove it was memeptah ,,,He ruled Egypt for almost ten years between late July or early August 1213 to May 2, 1203 BC, according to contemporary historical records.[2] He was the thirteenth son of Ramesses II[3] and only came to power because all his older brothers, including his full brother Khaemwaset or Khaemwase, had predeceased him, by which time he was almost sixty years old. ,,, you fail history ? and guess what he didnt drowned either !,
@Jeremias1111 Quran 2:50 says, Pharaoh and his people, who were in pursuance of fleeing Moses, were drowned in Red sea. There is no indication of difference in the fate of any of them.,, the koran does ,, and its WRONG Quran 8.54 again affirms that Pharaoh and his people, while pursuing Moses, were all destroyed by drowning for their wrong-doings and disbelief and again and it WRONG and one more time 10:90-92 says: Pharaoh had submitted to Islam while getting drowned ,, read it
@Jeremias1111 oh im not witty just well educated i know my typing isnt very good but i do have a better than average and quite expensive education, and have spent year learning about religion ,,, its a big pert of my life ,,, we can talk on many subjects biology ,, ickiology ,, evolution ,,, history of the world ,, mostly european and eastern history ,, and a few other subjects
@lesterclaypool1 the quran doesnt state that the pharoah wasnt drowned. so yess we can agree that the pharoah was drowned,.this is not a contradiction, when Allah says in the quran, that today we shall save you body, or preserve your body, these are a coupleof the translations, it does not state today we will save your life.
The author of the video did not study the miracle of 19 seriously and did not check by himself. The video is a waste of time.
PIERRE6619 2 months ago
@wajidmajid
I suggest you present your evaltuation in detail in a video.
Jeremias1111 4 months ago
anantgupta1234 6 months ago
@anantgupta1234 ah hate
sonia26625 5 months ago
mathmatical miracles in the Q'ran. I hypothesize, that if it is so, then it is in the structure. The frequencies that are put out by a reciter seem to be built on the same principles as those of "healing frequencies" such as the Solfleggio frequencies. Thusly the calming effects of the recitation.
avecsuc 8 months ago
@avecsuc
If you found those frequencies in the quran, please notify me.
Jeremias1111 8 months ago
3,6,9...Nicola Tesla...
avecsuc 8 months ago
All so called Islamic mathematics and medical science is actually from Indians like philosophy etc from greeks....watch my videos on Islamic mathematics...
P.S Muslims later added many things to them but origin is not Quran but works of Kafirs (as always)
anu123km 10 months ago 2
@anu123km
True, but off the topic of this video.
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
@anu123km kafir has been taking shower in cow's piss, he doesn't know wut standards of hygienes to use. How can he even contribute in science? tell me Mr Historian.
mallang007 8 months ago
@mallang007
If you are not able to join into resonable debate you may turn around on the spot and leave this channel.
Jeremias1111 8 months ago
Your full of shit !!! Total LIAR !
ucanifuwant 10 months ago
@ucanifuwant
You are very welcome to show wher I am wrong. If you are able to do that without throwing insults, then that would be even better.
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
.Muhammed had so many women in his bed and yet muslims consider him to be a true prophet of God.Jesus was the only one who was sinless he is the one we ought to follow.
muhammedquran 10 months ago
@muhammedquran Solomon had over 500 wives some of which could not even walk when they were wed to him...thats because they were political marriages...the same is true of most the Prophet Mohameds wives
BigDJuggalo420 8 months ago
@BigDJuggalo420
Well, I guess Muhammad had to have SEX with a pre-teen girl for "political reasons", too...
grozde 1 month ago
I want people to know the foolish things that are written in the quran.
muhammedquran 10 months ago
The Quran says that sperm is generated in the Backbone[Quran 86:6]. This idea was proposed by Greek scientists, and copied by Mohammed. If we had copyright laws 1400 years ago, Mohammed would have been jailed for copyright infringement and there would be no Islam today.
islamfalse 10 months ago
@islamfalse
Is there a reason that you would post this comment to this unrelated video?
Jeremias1111 10 months ago
@islamfalse You seem a bit obessed. perhaps you should consider getting a life.
ThePinkLei 10 months ago
Are you for real? Or just proving how STUPID adherants to Islam are! Don't forget the plate sized Sun setting in the east in a muddy pool, or sperm coming from the backbone. Perfect book ha.
Total Bollocks
in light
supajohnny
johnhurren 1 year ago
@johnhurren
I am for real while your capacity for understanding is certainly not. How about actually watching a video to prevent you from posting stupid comments?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111
I like posting stupid comments
up yours
in light
supajohnny
johnhurren 1 year ago
@johnhurren
Yes, it seems as if you actually do.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111
This guy johnhurren appears to me to be a troll. I recommend not feeding him. The points you make in your video seem perfectly straightforward to me. Keep up the good work.
JAC
TheJacov 11 months ago
@johnhurren When he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water
Something is wrong here.... When he reached the setting of the sun, he SAW it ( sun ) set in a spring of murky water...He thinks he saw that the sun was landing or drowning at Atlantic Ocean ( muddy pool ) but it was just passing ( night time comes ) that's just gramatical error in translation from Arab to English
La19000 1 year ago
@johnhurren Sperm from backbone error = Gramatical error because in Malay translation ( my languange )
and Arab it doesn't say backbone...it says 'sulbi'( malay ) which means tailbone.
He is created from a drop emitted-
Proceeding from between the tailbone and the ribs.
So make sure you ask a Islam and not Christians, who know squat about Islam
La19000 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111
You can pick ANY number and make it significant. I have an electronics degree and a post grad in Physics with technology. I reallty can't be bothered arguing with an idiot like you, but here's an example.
I'm 49, root 49 is 7. 7 is gods number because there are 7 days in a week and 7 days it took to create the world. See, a randomly picked number is related to creation. I DO NOT THINK SO.
Your 'mathematics' are spurious , your so called religion of peace is moribund.
in light
johnhurren 1 year ago
@johnhurren
And again I ask you to actually watch the video. It might help you not to appear as a total moron.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
so when does the sun stay still the koran say it rests ,,,, where ?when ?science has never recorded this ,,, please dont ignore this
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
have i told you about muhammad kissing hassines penis ? im not joking google al hubeir by ibn hagar scrolled down to #169 ,,, or #60-61,,,,or read al tarbari p127,, or read abdallah bin adiy v6 page 149 this as witnessed by 23 of his men ,,, bwaa ha ha ha LOOK IT UP !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 your an idiot. your statements are stupid. false upon disgusting false. i dont think i have heard one peicve of decent truth from your comments only disgusting falsehood. but i still prey that you find the truth. May Allah Guide you to the truth, may Allah Open your heart. and if not you then from your children i hope there will be rightous children.and if not them then your childrens children. and i hope you live long enough to see it.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
go read a book this is a joke ,,, what a farse ,,, please every body read the comments between me and jeremias 1111 ,,, take a good look at this conversation ,,, then go to the information i left for him to refference and compare what theres
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
I guess that everyone who reads this will notice that you constantly miss the point of my comments.
And everyone will notice why that happened. Because you believed that I am a Muslim from my first comment on that was critical of your claims.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 dont worry any one reading this will search out what i say and learn the truth and thats all that matters because the koran isnt any where close to the truth ,,,,in part because it was nt written when the events it talks about happened ,,, how can the koran talk about some thing that happened a thousand years before its writter were alive in another country ? it cant ,,, but it trys
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
your book of less than 600 pages is not the work of any god or prophet of god and historically it a joke ,,, just like the seven sleepers of euphious written over 300 years before there was islam or a koran or muhammad ,,, look it up or the plagerised works of the greeks like galen ,,, do it learn
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
My book?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
SO LETS CONTINUE SHALL WE ? WERE ARE YOU REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS ? THE KORAN SAYS THEY ARE BETWEEN THE BACK BONES AND RIBS ,,, MINE ARE BELOW THE HIPS centered at the pubic bone ,,, and the koran also says life starts as a clot ,, well guess what nolife on this planet starts as a clot ,,, as well the koran says the bone of a fetus fom first another lie ,,, no bone form before the flesh of a fetus ,,, would you like to comment ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
every body just google amenhotep111 time line ,,, tell this child what it says and who it indicates as is and their time line according to history ,,,,, and if it was nt amenhotep111 both the parohs before and after were not found in water or drowned ,,, the koran is incorrect ,,, all three were found in the valley of the kings all three were not drowned ,,there also much much more proof
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
it is surprising that the word for day is found 365 times in the quran, and also the word for day and night apear the same amount of times
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
This video already responded to that very claim. I would suggest you actually watch it before posting comments.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
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lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 what is the agreed average of days in a year today, is it not 365, even if we say that no the days are exactly 365.5 or what ever its besides the point the quran doesnt state the number of days in a year. only that the number of times day is written seems to be what we take as the average days in a year today. so you can call it co incidence, and i can call it a form of signiture, of the writter, of course there are all the other signitures.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER yes but the arabic lunar calader is 360 days and guess what else start counting because your information is wrong look it up see for your self you have been lied to ,,, now go look it up or better yet start counting
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
I guarantee that this will turn out as an example of complete lack of factchecking on your side:
Who is that pharao?
When has he been found and where?
What is his connection to the exodus of Israel from Egypt?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 the Exodus occurred in the third year of the reign of the pharaoh Amenhotep II.
his body was found in the his tomb ,,, not as the koran says its well recored and documented ,,as a matter of dr Muarce Bucillie ,, hes also the one who retracted his statements made about the korans beening a scienific book ,,, bwaa ha ha its true ,,, just another islamic fraud
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1 where does it state in the quran where the body will be found? it doesnt the location of where it will be discovered.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
1. Who dated the Exodus to that year? Please provide a reference.
2. Could you provide a reference for your claim that Bucaille retracted his statements regrading the quran?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 just look them up and trust me we know the paroh was Amenhotep the second ,,, you may not know this but the rest of the world does ,,, and its documented and guess were his body was found ,,,, in his tomb ,,, i got a better idea you tell me the dates ,,, tell us what your koran says ,,, even tho it was even written until thousands of years after this bwaaa ha ha now go look it up LEARN some thing for once
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
I have looked it up long time ago. People try to connect the exodus to several pharaos. But no connection has been proven yet. Actually there is not even evidence that the exodus happened at all.
So it would be nice if you chose to provide sources for your claims.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 oh my goodness ,,, look it up ,,, there are many ways to find it out either in eygptson records and christian ,,, or even the pagan records ,, they all have written about it and him now go learn look it up ,,,, and guess what even if it was not amenhotep 11 ,,, the other didnt drowned ,,, thats an epic failure ,,, but go look it up any ways LEARN some thing !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
I ask you again to present sources for your claims.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i gave you the information go look it up lazy ? or dont know how ? ok just type in amenhotep111 open the first search it will likely be the one at the top of the list and yes we have lots of documentation on the subject and heres the facts , the parohs before and after amenhotpe111 his father and his son , neither were found as said in the koran this gives an three generation window of these men and mosses with dates including the passover / know what this means ?right ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
It is not my job to back up your claims, it is yours.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i already have lets look at the facts and i will give you all the evedence and thats more than you can do trust me im not new at disproving islam and its very very easy to do with truth ,,,, lets compare what the koran says and facts ,,, ok ? better yet lets look at all of islams writting shall we ? lets look at the claims of islam read what i gave you its all from the koran and science
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
You havent yet provided the sources I asked for.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i gave you the surahs and what to google ,,, go see for your self ,,, what a waste of time you ve turned out to be ,,, i caught you straight away and you have nothing ,,, your really bad at this
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 we can see by the many things in the quran,the way it is written the description of sciences found in them. the fact that there was a prophecy,that was something that happened in the past would be found in the future,like the preserved body of the pharoah. which was found MUMMIFIED but amazingly preserved, this was in the quran and we only found it years ago.many other factors which says "Muhammed pbuh,didnt write this Book"rather these words were put into his mouth by Allah
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 thanks again for your concentrating. and pointing out my mistake, but the fact still stands that the Quran's prophecy still stands. you cannot say that there is evidence against it. but i can say there is evidence for it. due to this Mummy being discovered and the autopsy findings
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i know one thing and thats a Fact it seemed to have convinced the sergion in question to study the Quran and become Muslim.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER actually after murice bucaille retracted all his statements after he went back to europe ,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
Present a source for claim that Bucaille retracted his statements, please.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 just look it up he didnt become muslim and he got paid for his work ,,, then years after he publically recanted what he said just go look it up ,,, we have nt even got to the good stuff yet and your panicing ? wiat till we discuss pragnacy ,,,, ha ha ha
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
I know that there is no evidence that he became Muslim. But I know of no statement that would show that he recanted. So I ask you again to provide a source for your claims.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i did look it up ,,, search what i told you to search or are you lazy ? type in parohs time line ,,, amenhotep111 ,,, do it see what it says ,, all the facts are right there who found him when what he died of where he was found and the same for your lessor paroh memeptah ,, i also gave you the koranic surah that say this foolishness ,,,, so you really believe that muhammad knew what he was talking about aye ? uhmmm do the wings of a fly contain all the ills and another cures ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
You still havent provided the source for your claim that Bucaille recanted.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 are you joking ? really chump you have brought nothing to this debate and thats what you got ? you wont even take the time to look it up ,, your some thing else what a loser
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 ooohh what ever, man are my eyes decieving me or what. there are books he wrote, lectures. the man is a muslim, he even learnt the arabic langiage. he stated that he went through the science presented in the quran, in great detail and found them all to be scientifically correct.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER well the experts dont agree with him or you and i certinly can use their argument against the koran ,, and much much more ,, you think im new to this ? ,, ell guess again and i can show you fraud after fraud that the koran commits and even plagerisms ,, that the koran stole from other writting that are lder than the koran ,,, but contain that exact messages and storys ,,,, like the seven sleepers of euphieous ,,, look that one up tell me if it sounds famillure then check the dates
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 he is an expert, go check up on the guys degrees.. you wouldnt even be able to show me notr even one sentence. of the quran that is like the sentence of somthing else. no the quran never contains the exact of the stories before it. only the truth of them. it agrees with the first commandment, "know oh isreal your God is one", by saying"there is no God but Allah" in other words "La illahe il Allah" the bible is corrupt man. u can use it but never an take it to be 100%.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER wow you really got that one wrong ,, the bible was written hundreds of year before there ever was a koran ,,, before there was muslims ,,, before there was muhammad ,,, and the bible does not care about your silly prophet that could nt read but certinly could murder and take slaves ,,,, those are the facts show me one biblcal verses that mentions muhammad ,,, do it just give these verses ,,, face it your book of less than 600 pages is a joke and filled with foolishness
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 memeptah was also found in amentohep11 tomb with 18 other mumified parohs in tomb kv35 ,,, you DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT ,,, OR YOUR LYING ! he was seti the greats grand father ,,, bring your evedence ,, lets compare ,,, just try to tell me it was this memeptah the oldest paroh ,,, he reigned 10 years ,,, but not at the time of mosses ,, come on bring the facts ,, lets see the truth !!!STOP LYING IT MAKE YOU LOOK BAD !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
Moses is not shown to be a historical figure and so no one can tell who was pharao at the time of Moses.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 bwaaa ha ha ha then your koran is a lier because it says the name of mosses ,,, it does want to see ? your a FOOL for even starting this with me ,,, i know what im talking about and will show you the koran is a fraud 100 % with out doubt ! lets continue shall we ? so how about how life starts in the koran ,, do you think you were once a clot ? or a leech ? or a skeleton with no flesh ? ,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
It is not "my" quran. How long do you need to notice?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 they say there might have been two pharoes at the time of moses, as in one at a time. not together at the same time. what do you think??
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
Since it is not shown when Moses existed or if he existed at all there is no way to tell what the political situation in Egypt at his lifetime might have been.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 actually theres more than one way to verifie mosses and the time he lived at ,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 yee and thats why i just watched several videos of him being a muslim, and talking bout the autopsy
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
In which video does Bucaille state that he was a Muslim?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 he never does because i isnt ,,, but he did get paid well for saying what he said even if it isnt true and debunked by all the other scientists world wide ,,, not to mention the actual authoritys on the sublects ,,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 you mean keith more, debunked what bucaille said about embyology? where show us. and you can never show us. tell us keith moore knows nothing about embryology.u just cant take it christians are becomeing muslim by the millions and thousands expecially the intelligent ones.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMERno kieth moores own book goes directly against what the koran says about embryology read it look it up his own words on embryology totally debunk the koran and your also quite wrong about christians becomming muslim , look it up most new reverts to islm last less than a year why ? because they read the koran even if the imams say not to last year alone in africa 8 million muslims left islam thats just one year trust me the words getting out and the koran isits own worst enemy
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@JEMOMER you havent read dr moores book have you ? or you would know what im saying ,,, hes a canadian doctor ,, and he wrote about embryology ,,, read it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 well i watched a video of him, the bible Quran and science, in it he says "salam aleykum" to greet the people, he also states that he believes that the quran is true 100% in regards to scientific truth , (i could presume he means the whole quran but you could say know that he only ment the scientific truths) he learnt arabic,to try and understand the terminoligy. he Kept saying i am not a sheik.why when one is asked religious questions would they reply a am not a sheik.....
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 so the last point was he says i am not a sheik. he could have said i am not a muslim. i just study the science in the quran. then of course you can say that that is not evidence i think watching the video and litening to what he says you can pretty much determine that he is a Muslim.in that particular video, then of course we have the biography of his life, and that states it. his book bible quran and science states it.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER you see part of the problem is dr bucaille is a doctor not a scientist ,,, and have you read doctor moores works ? i have and guess what he got paid well to but his works totally debunk pragnacy and the korans account of it ,,, look his work up read it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i dont care much for the exodus in the bible. ima muslim not a christian. there books are filled with contradictions because they changed with there own hands what God had revealed to them.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
I did not mention the bible at all. I do not think it is much more reliable than the quran.
I pointed out these mistakes because I think that a pattern will show. I claimed in my very first statement regarding the pharao that I am convinced that this will turn out as an example for a lack of factchecking on your side.
So let us go on.
1. You claim that Bucaille has become a Muslim. I am pretty sure that you do not have any evidence for that claim.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
[cont.]
2. In "The Bible, the Quran and Science" Bucaille does not mention a single fact from his examination of Merneptahs body that would support the claim that the Pharao drowned.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 the facts would be in the documents which he would have wrote, whilst examining, where they are i dont know maybe you can search for them, i dont feel the neccecity to. but i do think that what ever the facts were he briefly covers them. and he was under the impression that the pharoah in qurstion had drowned. deny all you want, doesnt change anything for me, the evidence is there,that he believed the pharoah drown, some may see it some may not, its upto the individual.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
The "documents he would have wrote" is "The bible, the quran and science", dont you think so?
I do not have to deny anything here. I just have to refer to what Bucaille actually says.
Apparently you can not present one single fact from the videos you watched with Bucaille that would support the claim that Merneptah drowned.
And so your conviction that Bucaille had shown scientifically that the pharao drowned is completely baseless. But you still stick to it. I find that quite telling
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 it is there in his books. i think you must read the heading of the book then put it away.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
If you one day actually read Bucailles book you can learn how he actually comes to the idea that Merneptah drowned:
He derives -from the bible!- that Merneptah must have been the pharao of the exodus. Thats it. That is all his proof. No science at all. Just a weak bible interpretation.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 actually it had to do with the lungs, salt remnants, and traces that the pharoah in question died from i believe the word was asphyxiation. that is what i understood. i really havent seen any writting on the conrary to that by this particular person bucaille, so that is the bases on which i believe this to be that pharoah that the quran spoke of.hey then again it may not be this exact pharoah. it may be another one,& they may find him at the bottom of the sea, in Good condition
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER heres the problem with that ,,, they already have amenhepto 3rd body ,,, and he was indeed the paroh at the time of mosses ,,, dont like the truth ? does not matter the truth remains
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 Dr bucaille says in his book bible quran and science."I must admit that it was certainly not faith in Islam that first guided my steps, but simply a desire to search for the truth. This is how I see it today. It was mainly the facts which, by the time I had finished my study, led me to see the Qur’an as the divinely-revealed text it really is."......Does this not imply that he is a Muslim
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 In his excitement, he stood before the attendants and loudly said, "I have converted to Islam and believed in this Qu'ran" a biography of bucailli says this is what he said in a conference in saudi arabia.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
What biography is that?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 the biography of bucaille
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
I figured that, thanks. What is the title and who is the author?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@JEMOMER wait a minute your saying the bibles been changed ? yet there are more skrits and scrolls found that translate the exact same even today ,,,, and guess what they are on display and we have found some pounded into copper ,,, but your koran ,, let take a look shall we it was written on bones pieces of wood , skins and found in memories ,,, and what did ubeyy and umar say about them ,,, we have gathered what is avaiable but some have been for gotten or lost to those who have died !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 the authenticity of the quran has been proven. and the information is there. it is as was revealed to the prophet, unchanged.this has been proven and i believe it. no body is forcing you to believe it. this statement is a fabrication.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
The authenticity of the quran has not been proven. The first fragments of the quran that are known today date half a century after Mohammeds death.
The quran that is sometimes said to be Uthmans quran date much later even.
So there is in fact no way to show that the quran has not been altered in the first decades.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 the evidences for why the quran hasnt been changed since it was revealed, and that it is still the same word for word, scince Muhammed uttered them,
is availible in lectures and in books, of course you can get books appossing this by people who dislike islam. then again you can find a hate book against anybody or any thing.i have looked at some of the evidences up to the point where i said. that is enough proof for me, i believe this to be the unchanged word of Allah.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER what if ican show you some of the differences in korans ,,, ? and it is all information found in islamic books and writtings seriously ,, start reading the hadiths
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 you would have to show me differences in the quran not in hadith. there is no muslim out there that says all the hadiths that ever existed are actually authentic. these go through certain stages to define authenticity. and all the scholors say this, if you find any of these hadiths that go against the Quran get it and throw it to the wall.in his life time imam bukari, went through 600,000 supposed hadiths and through the authenticity process brought it down to 6000.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
You did not refute any of the points I made regarding the alleged authenticity of the quran.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 you are free to have different ideas based on the same information, that was availible to me.if you feel that you have done enough reseach in that department to come to that conclusion, that is completely up to you, i dont agree with your conclusion,but thats my opinion. and it doesnt matter to you.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
What an odd comment! You acknowledge my freedom to have my own opinion? Lol, thank you very much!
I would be more interested in objections to my position or in arguments for yours.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 why, that i object to it is quite clear from my being a muslim. however, there is no compultion in religion, like i said the same information is there for the both of us, i can look at it and get one understanding and you can look at it and get another understanding. To change your understanding , these blogs may not be enough. but i dont need the quran or any other scripture to believe that there is One creator.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 then your question may be , why did i choose Islam? and if we agreed on the first point that there is a Creator, then we would be able to move to this question why Islam?, i am not sure that we agree on that first point, about the existence of a Creator. So it would be pointless to tell you that the quran is from that Creator.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER bwaaa ha ha the koran a joke and if you read what umar and ubeyy say its not verified or complete ,,, or read the authorised aishsa ,,, she evebn had complete surahs eaten by a tame sheep ,,,, and it wasnt gathered together until after muhammads death ,,, what a failure
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@JEMOMER thats right no bodys forcing me to believe this fraudelent book ,,, but you should know the facst of your basing your beliefs in this book ,,, and your soul ,,, for that matter ,,, just to tell the truth ,,, but im sure if you keep reading the koran you ll see this for your self ,,,, you ll come across a surah and go wait a minute that does not sound truthful ,, and you cant lie to your self
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 i know the facts from the fiction, but that is my understanding of it. i look at evidences , and when i am satisfied about believing it or not believing it. then i move on there is know need to keep digging, i am happy that the quran is unchanged, that it is the word of Allah, the One creator or all. other books and beliefs, are full of deciept and evil and corruption, that is according to the information as aknowledged by me.(others also hold this opinion)
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER well actually you dont know the facts from the fiction ,,, for instance look up the[ seven sleeper of euphious ] a plagerised story found also in the koran ,,,, or lets look at history and your koran ,,, did you know the koran has been changed and was not the complete works of muhammad ? it true want proof ? read umar or ubeyy see what their word say about it ,,, or read the authorised aisha ,,, she even says at least two complete surah were eaten by a tame sheep ... google it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 that hadith is not authentic. that is a shia belief, who try to discredit aisha
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER so al tabari is a weak hadith ? since when ? because according to every body else its the strogest hadith
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 firstly you said you would find contradictions in the quran. then you went on to present hadith that supposedly contradicts the quran. but i ask where does the word of God contradict the word of God, not where doe the word Of Man contradict the word of God, if i was after the later i would simply have to open the bible.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER ok where does the sun rest ? and like it or not amenhetop 3rd was found in his tomb ,,, and he didnt drowned but the koran says the paroh drownd,, this is the parroh of mosses he was found in kv8 ,,, ok you really think the different flys wings have the ills and cure of every think ? or that a fetus has its bone then they get covered with flesh ? or the buraq flew ? or that nun has the earth on its back ? THINK
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 and as i said Bukari for instance went through 600,000 supposed hadiths and narrowed them down to about 6000. and added if any of the remaining hadith go against the quran. then get it and throw it to the wall.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER YA WELL HE MISSED A FEW ,,,, for instance was the earth made in 6 or 8 days ? and where does the orbit / course of the sun go to ? and where does the sun rest/ stay still for an appointed time ? because the koran says all of these ,,, and well to honest we havent found a orbit/course of the sun ,, its heading for the star system vega and that the truth ,,,,, and it does not ever stay still or rest as the koran says it does ,,,,,, does it ? no it does nt
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 Allah never states that the sun rests. Allah says the sun is in an orbit, and that it is moving toward an appointed place., so is it orbitting yes it most definitly is. and is it moving toward an appointed place yes it most definitly is and even you say that one and i have given my surah refrences to this. where as you havent
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER 36:38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.,,,, oh really ? hmmm ? whats this ? it would appear you are wrong again ,,,and im sure i can show two surahs that say similar things one saying the sun rests under allahs throne ,,, and another saying it rests in a muddy creek ,,, but this will do ,,, so where does the sun rest ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 36:38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. that is an acurate translation of that verse. in fact we could probably get it even more accurate, but this one at least will show that the translation you have, is not a very accurate one.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER 36:38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. Waalshshamsu tajree limustaqarrin lahathalika taqdeeru alAAazeezi alAAaleem
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 what are the other verses, give me the translation your reading along with the verse numbers. and i will show you that you are wrong.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER 36:40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). La alshshamsu yanbaghee lahaan tudrika alqamara wala allaylu sabiqu alnnahariwakullun fee falakin yasbahoona
does that say orbit ? hmmmm well the sun does have a orbit ,, does it ? no it doesnt
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@JEMOMER well lets take a deeper look at what your saying ,, well first off you relise the parohs body was found not be drowned or even in water as a matter of fact look it up ,,, The body was discovered in the tomb of Amenhotep II in 1898. [2,12] thats the tomb of amenhotep,, you are quite wrong ! look it up
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
1. Do you agree that Amenhotep II was the pharao of the Exodus?
2. Do you mean Bucaille as the one who made the autopsy?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
Please clarify on your claims regarding the body of the pharao!
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 read the reports of dr maurice bacaille
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 Dr. Maurice Bucaille's Book: " The Bible, The Qur'an and Science "
watch this
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
I assume that he tells in the youtube video the same as he writes in his book, which I read. If not, please tell me at what point he talks about the pharao so that I do not have to watch the whole hour.
Bucaille writes in his book about the autopsy of Merneptah, not Amenhotep as Lester assumed.
If you mean this autopsy you made two false claims already:
1. Unlike you said the autopsy was not done by the person who found the body.
2. Unlike you said the body was not unmummyfied.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
[cont.]
To go ahead:
Do you claim that Merneptah is the pharao of the Exodus who was drowned and do you base that claim on the examination done by Maurice Bucaille?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i dont know about the exodus or what ever, all i know is that the sergeon who autopsied the body. believed it to be that pharoah that was spoken of in the story of moses and the seperation of the sea.and the time line fits, and it is amazingly preserved. So in anycase we could say that the pharoah that the quran speaks about that would be a sign for those to come, would be the one that maurice B, did an autopsy on
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i ahd thought that the person who found the body had done the autopsy, how ever you are correct the body was given to maurice bucaille who was an expert in the feild, who then came to the conclusion that the body in question had drowned. the unmummified was a typo, thanks for picking up on that, it was mummified however still amazingly preserved as aposed to other mummies, even thought it had been extracted from the sea
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 i think i was going to start that particular sentence differently then changed my mind, give me a break i write some of these at 3 am 4 am. im not infallible, never said i was.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 im not with lester, if you read the opst i think he kinda hates me.ok so the Body of the paroah in question belongs to mernepta, ill take your word for it.man seriously look at the big picture. the pharoah is preserved amazingly. and he drowned in the sea. the quran talks about a pharoah who was drowned in the sea. and that they would be preserved.how did the writter of the quran know they fished the body out of the water?that is the $1,000000 question
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER actually the body is amenhoteps 11
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
Bucaille claims that he had examined the body of Merneptah, another pharo who is sometimes connected to the exodus.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 you think i dont know aye ? ok prove me wrong lets just see who telling the truth look up amenhotep111 and tutmosis or tutmoses11 and tutmoses or tutmosis 1v and see where they were found not where you think and certinly not under water or drowned, its very well documented, you think every one just takes information like muslims do ? no no theres actual documentation and it disproves your koran dont like it dont care the truth remains !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 its irellivent. it is believed that the pharoah who was examined died of drowning, the pharoah can be traced back tot he time of moses. the quran says that the body would be saved, preserved, and there are a few other translations meaning more or lees preserved. and the writter of the Quran knew this.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
The pharao can not be tracked back to the time of Moses since nobody knows when (or if) Moses lived.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 bassed on historical litriture, this can be presumed
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
When you make claims about historical literature you should back them up by providing references. A mere assertion is not of much value.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 Quran torah bible
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
These books date hundrets or even thousands of years after the alledged lifetime of Abraham and his sons.
They are historical texts that tell us a lot about the time of their origin, and for sure can tell us about what people believed at that time with regards to Abraham. But they are not evidence regarding the historical existence of Abraham or Ishmael.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 thats depends on the veiw taken about the validity of the Books. liker i said if we dont first Agree that there is a God then wether or not i prove to you wether there is any grounds to believe that abraham exsisted or ishameal exsisted or isaac exsisted, is pointless in it self. the cause of my belief in Abraham and ishmael, and isaac, are because i believe the quran to be the un created word of God.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
I do not see why you phrase your reply as if it were an objection to my statement.
You say "the cause of my belief in Abraham and ishmael, and isaac, are because i believe the quran to be the un created word of God."
So you admit that assumption of the historical existence of Abraham and Ishmael is based on your faith.
Your faith is not historical evidence. So where is our disagreement.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 So if we were to Accept that the quran, was indeed the word of God. then the belief that ishmael exsisted would not be baseless. like i said we have the same information but you choose to look at it one way and i choose to look at it the other. but you cannot say that my believing that ishmael exsisted is baseless, because you cannot disprove that the quran is from God.and i dont have to prove to you that it is from God.i could just show you.&u make up your mind.FREE WILL.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
You dont have to prove me anything. That you happen to believe something is not a valid argument with regrds to historical facts though.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 who is a better historian than God?
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
Who is a worse historian than a fictional god?
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 ahhh wether God is Fictional or reality, is a matter of belief, logic, reason. and all three point to the exsistence of a Creator.
JEMOMER 1 year ago
@JEMOMER
The first, belief, sure. The others not so much.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@JEMOMER but it is not the paroh of mosses ,,,, i have showed you this ,,, like it or not ,,, amenhotep the 3rd was the paroh at this time ,,, we also know when the first pass over was by daye which tell us when this paroh lived and where ,,, you dont look at all the evedence do you ? and if you read the works of the pagan at this time in history they all point amenhotep 3rd as beenint the paroh at this time ,,,, bot to mention the eygptson hyroglyphs all point to this ,,,do the research
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@JEMOMER wrong ,,, amenhepto 3rd was nt drowned ,,, and the evendence proves this and he was the paroh of this time verified many ways ,,,,, the koran and its writter were nt even alive at the time of this occureance and thats a facts ,,, and this and many other blunders prove their lack of historical knowage ,,, including the joke that solomon had a flying carpet ,,, written thousands of year after solomon walked ,,, even the writting when he was alive dony mention it ,,,, but koran does
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 show the histoical evedence that prove it was memeptah ,,,He ruled Egypt for almost ten years between late July or early August 1213 to May 2, 1203 BC, according to contemporary historical records.[2] He was the thirteenth son of Ramesses II[3] and only came to power because all his older brothers, including his full brother Khaemwaset or Khaemwase, had predeceased him, by which time he was almost sixty years old. ,,, you fail history ? and guess what he didnt drowned either !,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
I did not claim that Merneptah drowned.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 Quran 2:50 says, Pharaoh and his people, who were in pursuance of fleeing Moses, were drowned in Red sea. There is no indication of difference in the fate of any of them.,, the koran does ,, and its WRONG Quran 8.54 again affirms that Pharaoh and his people, while pursuing Moses, were all destroyed by drowning for their wrong-doings and disbelief and again and it WRONG and one more time 10:90-92 says: Pharaoh had submitted to Islam while getting drowned ,, read it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
I do not claim that the quran is correct.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 thats the first smart thing you ve said
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
Unfortunately I still have to wait for a smart comment from you.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 here ill show how to keep a moron in suspence ok ? just wait here
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
That was quite funny! I didnt expect you to be witty after your performance here.
Jeremias1111 1 year ago
@Jeremias1111 oh im not witty just well educated i know my typing isnt very good but i do have a better than average and quite expensive education, and have spent year learning about religion ,,, its a big pert of my life ,,, we can talk on many subjects biology ,, ickiology ,, evolution ,,, history of the world ,, mostly european and eastern history ,, and a few other subjects
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 the quran doesnt state that the pharoah wasnt drowned. so yess we can agree that the pharoah was drowned,.this is not a contradiction, when Allah says in the quran, that today we shall save you body, or preserve your body, these are a coupleof the translations, it does not state today we will save your life.
JEMOMER 1 year ago