There are forces beyond human understanding, and religions become insignificant, the human evolution insignificant as well, but very important in the universe, the creator is there, in front, ignorance does not let us see it. In this life and the next Stay in the light. Ramón.
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and about evolution ... i dont believe in it until i get some ACTUALY , VALID proof ... u realise that still most of the scientists dont believe in it . its still a theory not a fact , never proven and never will . and about religion like christianity and islam . go check ur facts , these religions actually mentioned many things that were proven later on in our world , like the big bang theory , it was mentioned in the quraan . and Bible mentioned many things about a human body which were proved
@logicalthinkingorg oh :) i did guess what it said ? " THEORY " that means it wasnt proven . the scientists that dont aprove with it are more than the ones that approve with it :)
@demonofyou1 That is simply not true. The scientific theory of evolution is overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community, b/c the evidence is overwhelming. You don't understand the use of the word 'theory' as it is applied in science. This is what happens when you put too much 'faith' in mythology and not enough in real science, logic and reason.
@logicalthinkingorg i am not using my faith to say that it aint true . and i do know what a theory means , and i know how am using it. a theory means it still not proven yet taught cause it makes some sense due to some proofs , yet it aint a 100% valid proofs , i have my own brain to use when thinking , altough i do believe that evolution theory did happen , but not to humans from apes .
@demonofyou1 Scientific theories are never 'proven'. I suggest you check out my video called "Science Works! Scientific Theory Explained" if you're interested in learning about it...
@logicalthinkingorg Interesting Videos , i guess i'll have to make more researches about this subject if i want to argue in it , its getting more interesting . anyhow thanks using a well mannered argument with me , i appreciate and take care .
@demonofyou1 You're just flat out wrong. That's an objective, verifiable fact that has nothing to do with my beliefs or yours. You're just wrong. In the same way 14/7 isn't 9. If we can agree to at least that much I promise your world could make alot more sense not only to you, but to onlookers. Humans did not come from apes and evolution is not a "theory" in its casual sense. It is a solid, supported scientific notion. Anyone with a degree would also interchange that with the word "fact".
@demonofyou1 You don't believe humans evolved from older primates because there is not 100% proof (as far as you know) and that because there are gaps it must be wrong. Yet you put your faith in a book that is so open to interpretation that thousands of sects have developed around it with people killing each other over their interpretations and think vague passages are good enough to stand as proof that your religion is right? Human evolution is pretty well understood.
@MarkRosengarten now thats when i dont like when people criticise me about my faith and religion , when they dont know any actualy facts . can i ask u ? where did u hear about islam ?media ? fake hating websites ? well i studied it from its origion , not from a place where they just transform words just to make the world hate on us , now please if u dont mind get ur facts right about my religion then , if my religion was actually like what u r saying ,i wouldnt be following it
@demonofyou1 I'm not interested in discussing any "holy book" outside of a literary perspective. As long as the myriad factions in the Muslim world continue to kill each other over it, I'm not much interested in discussing its merits...just like Christianity. Evolution is the best working model on how things got to be where they are today. I don't care if you can interpret an obscure verse in retrospect to explain natural phenomena.
@MarkRosengarten why did u bring it up then if u dont wanna discuss it ? dont attack and then back off , u aint discussing anything . u r just failing in critcising and in discussing anything , i had much better arguments and i aint interested in discussing anything with someone that doesnt know how to debate and argue properly
@demonofyou1 I'm not interested in debating. I wanted to raise the point that evolution is not up for debate with regard to any serious scientist. I would love to see these scientists who don't believe in evolution and their research that supports the dismantling of that theory. If you would provide me with names, I would be happy to investigate further.
@demonofyou1 Typical response...when asked for evidence for statements made, they bolt. I really would like to know those names. I've heard the claim many times and never has the information been provided. WHO does not "believe" in evolution and what is their evidence? Please, don't drop this now.
@demonofyou1 Furthermore, if the Qu'ran and Bible were so scientifically advanced, why did it take 2000 years and SCIENCE for the discovery to be made? Like I said, anyone can look at a cryptic verse from any book (including Nostradamus' writings) and in hindsight attribute connections with the verse. It proves nothing, only that you are capable of trying to fit your fairy tale within the realm of what is scientifically understood to be true.
@MarkRosengarten u just answered urself indirectly . its not fitting anything to anything else , u want to convince me that before 2000 years humanbeings were so advanced ? and had such tools to make them capable to prove these things that were mentioned in quraan or bible any scripture mentioned by God .
@demonofyou1 If God knew it and people wrote it down, then why did it take 2000 years for it to come to light? Instead, religion kept civilization in the dark ages for a millennium and some religious countries are still in a dark ages. If evolution is not a fact, then what is different about people now as opposed to 2000 years ago that we can understand what they can't? Though most people still don't understand and would have never come up with these ideas on their own.
@MarkRosengarten HAAAH u r telling me please dont drop it now ? did u see how many arguments did u start and how many of them did u drop ? now excause me how old are u that u cant even recognize what u r doing and only can recognize what others did ?
@demonofyou1 I have no idea what you are talking about. I am responding to the myriad accusations you made throughout your posts. Let's keep this simple, then. Please provide evidence for your assertion that humans did not evolve from more primitive primates (because, as you know, we did not evolve from modern apes).
@MarkRosengarten and btw i dont need to argue with u about this matter anymore i had much better arguments " again " with the guy who posted the video , and he brought up valid points that i cant argue with him except with more researches, atleast that guy knows how to argue, just because u have 1 point or 2 doesnt make u elligable to start arguing, i still dont understand why is everyone still arguing with me ? i already withdrawed myself from the arguement with the video owner
@demonofyou1 Please check out another Richard Dawkins video: "Why Aren't Chimps Still Evolving Into Humans?" Evolution does not claim that humans are descended from chimps. We're cousins that share most of the same DNA. We and chimps are descended from the same common ancestor.
@demonofyou1 Evolution is considered a theory because it cannot be COMPLETELY proven to be true. However, we are about 99.9% sure that evolution occurred in the planet's past and is still occurring. A minority of scientists in the USA (about 3%) are not convinced of evolution because they wrongly think that evolution interferes with their faith. However, around 40% of scientists are men of faith, so they must have figured out how to reconcile their beliefs with evolution.
@logicalthinkingorg and that is due to , i do believe in how the Human genome keeps changing due to crossing over and that it keeps shortening , yet the genome doesnt disapear . a human has 23 pairs , an ape has 24 pairs " which are considered as our ancestors " i do think that the first humans probably looked slightly like apes or monkeys , yet they werent apes . but if the evolution theory was actually proved for humans , i'll be more than glad to believe in it .
@demonofyou1 You are correct about the 23 and 24 pairs of chromosomes. Scientists thought about this and asked how is it that humans have one less, if we share a common ancestor with primates? They made a prediction that we would find two primate chromosomes fused together as one in humans. Low and behold, our chromosome #2 is made up of primate chromosomes 12 and 13 fused together. Explain that.
@demonofyou1 Evolution is an observed fact. The "theory of Evolution through natural selection" is the scientific model used to explain the fact of evolution. So you can understand, let me use another example : gravity is a fact. The theory of gravity is the model used to explain gravitational pull, and used to make predictions.
And the overwhelming majority of biologists know evolution is true. You saying the contrary is simply wishful thinking.
If you're going to say that scientific theories are just wild shots in the dark, then you'll say that gravity doesn't exist because it, too, is just a theory. In reality, scientific theories differ from "normal theories/guesses" because scientific theories actually have evidence to back them up. And maybe you were too busy thumping your Bible around to realize, but 93% of members at the National Academy of Sciences are atheist and accept evolution as fact.
@demonofyou1 big bang theory in qurann ?. You mean the whole thing that describes in extreme vauge terms about a cloud and smoke that existed before everything ?
@Tyrfingr ya , it was also mentioned how the earth and planets were created scienceislam.cm/bigbang.php, go check that, also for more science mircals, in quraan god said"i aint afraid to give an example with a mosqueto what about whats above it" and only few years ago science discovered that there is a micro insect living on the back of the mosquito, not only quraan did that, also the bible mentioned great stuff, but media just picks the stuff they could criticize bad
@demonofyou1 I have read some of those things, but i have never made much fuzz about it. I mean people who wish to find something to interpret from ancient texts to modern scientific discoveries will always find something that makes sense to them. The mosquito for one thing was alluding to the skies in the original text, and the same with the big bang. I often doubt that even believers understand the old texts and what they really meant.
@Tyrfingr these things just direct u more towards studying science , Quraan says that knowledge is a way to rule and it is a powerful weapon , knowledge is the greatst thing that a human can have , now i aint hating on richard dawkins for making such a great theory , i actually respect his theory , and yes its hard to understand texts its only these who r qualified that can understand and explain it , even they sometimes dont understand it .
@demonofyou1 Im not sure who could be called qualified, all these texts were written a couple of thousand years ago during completely different cultural and social structures. And it was only a handful of people who were able to both read and write, and amongst them even fewer were introduced to these mystical writings. No doubt knowledge is power as well as freedom and independence. It's all about what one does with the knowledge, and to me these cults are for control. No offense.
@Tyrfingr no offence taken , but cultures unit us , and in unity comes power , and fortuntly for us arabs our origional language is still preserved but unfortuntly we aint developing it , but the mystery about they scripturs sometimes only reveal within time cus some meaning dont make sense except with more scientific and even language researches . and i appreciate ur way of discussing such a matter .
@demonofyou1 A unifying culture is important for many reasons, it does give people the power to be independent and so to say, join it's own people together as a group or family. That is depending on how well the society works. Science was as great back in the ancient world as it is today, people observed what they thought was a mystery until it was explained to them and then became obvious. To my way of thinking the Gods and 'Allah' is a mystery to those who can't settle for belief.
hahahaha i agree with his understanding of " salt water and pure water dont mix " yet the meaning in quraan doesnt mean it in that way , the thing that was mentioned in quraan is the fact that there r some actually pure water"somehow rivers"going through the sea in a river like pattern. and u can go look for ur sources int he internet, also like how some warm sea water passes through cold water in a river like pattern.pls respect that am talking respectfully so i dnt want any swearing criticism
Dawkins is great to watch and he's very good but I miss Stephen J. Gould's essays. Gould's punctuated equilibrium theory made things like the speedy changes in the lizards mentioned here easy to understand. He was brilliant at making something that seemed so complex and complicated into a, "duh, why didn't I think of that?" The salt water reminded me of when Gould was asked to explain why men had one less rib than women by a smug creationist, Gould shook his head and said "I can't answer that."
I was once asked by a creationist for proof that god doesn't exist. He said he was fed up with athiests asking him for proof of god, but he had never seen their proof against god. I said, "Hellooo!!!!!! The proof against god is the lack of fucking proof for him!" Pardon the language, but it was a direct quotation
I see someone speaking from a brain that is a product of mindless, unguided processes of natural selection. As for me, I did not evolve from monkeys, it is your great grand father, grand father, father and mother that evolve from apes. Idiot!
@eltopus4747 Apes have the same different structures as the monkeys have, I was refferring to the apes in the first place, I just called them monkeys.
Evolution is the bigest fraud and waste of money ever.
Evolution is an insult to science. No external factors ever reorder the genome. Naturual selection can only select what is reordered by the genome so all of the uniform variations are the result of what the genome reordered. Nothing else is able to reorder the genome.
@cperez1000 The genome is the *only* physical thing that reorders the genome. No external factors of any kind are able to order anything in the genome. It's the genome that reorders the selections, nothing else does. Get that simple fact through your head and you will see there is no mechanism to make evolution possible.
@NorthCitySider Why should I reply you knowing that your ancestors were apes and monkeys? The last place I saw a monkey was at the zoo. I remember it picking its nose and licking its fingers. Cool ancestor, or is'nt it?
Just my ancestors and not yours? Okay dumbass, do this for me. Don't shave for a year, don't even get a haircut, get naked, look in the mirror, then look at a picture of a gorilla. Then come back and talk to me, fucking prick.
How about you research this before making yourself look silly ?
Stalin, who trained as a priest and later saved the Orthodox church from his atheist comrades who wanted to turn it into something useful, was as religious as the Pope or Pat Robertson, only he considered himself as "god" and replaced the biblical invisible man with himself, much as Kim Il Dead did in North Korea.
These Richard dawkins is a big liar comments are so pathetic, if your god is so mighty and all-powerful why would he need your assistance?, your wasting your time trying to convert people, open your eyes and free your self from these lies that surround you fools
you shouldn't kill because of moral reasoning, not because your imaginary friend says so.. i don't trust anybody that relies on religion for their immorality.
@JungleJargon You are right, monkeys are, in many ways very different from humans, and this is b/c we separated on our evolutionary path about 50 million years ago. We are a lot closer to chimpanzees, who we separated from about 5 million years ago. This simply illustrates your complete lack of understanding and willful ignorance of evolution theory.
@JungleJargon You don't get it. That's what evolution is -- monkeys and humans separated more than 40 million years ago in the evolutionary chain. I've always said that people who don't understand evolution generally don't understand the power of numbers or probability -- 40 million years is a heck of a long time, and it is still small compared to the age of the Earth.
@JungleJargon Right...and what exactly are you trying to prove here? There may well have been flooding at the end of the last Ice Age -- that only proves that the Bible is based on some real-world events at the time. But it doesn't give us the correct age of the Earth, which has been proven by science.
@JungleJargon it's been millions of years.....and we are a different branch that have changed to live a different way than monkeys. Humans in 2 million years will most likely be slightly different than humans today(if our species is still alive), lets hope it's more about brain development, which some humans are clearly lacking compared to others.
@JungleJargon You are trying to make stupidity sound smart. "Ordered function in life forms" cannot require a "very great maker" (why would you capitalize maker?), because then that maker needs a maker. You are answering the problem with a problem. Or did this maker you speak of evolve?
@JungleJargon You are trying to make stupidity sound smart. "Ordered function in life forms" cannot require a "very great maker" (why would you capitalize maker?), because then that maker needs a maker. You are answering the problem with a problem. Or did this maker you speak of evolve?
@JungleJargon again, you have failed to make an argument. please study argument, fallacies, maybe some formal logic. evolution is proven by facts, you can either go see those facts or continue to live in your fairy tale bubble. there is no shred of evidence for creationism or god.. do you believe in Zeus? Thor? JuJu? if not you're atheist and denying the same lack of argument to a different fairy tale. Stop flooding youtube with lies.
@JungleJargon There is no mechanism for evolution? You do mean besides natural selection, adaptation, mutation, sexual selection, recombination and gene flow?
@tonyac42 It is only the genome that orders and reorders the genome, nothing else can order the genome and it is the genome that offers the selections to choose from with the limited information that the genome has. Mutations and such never order anything in the genome.
You have a complete misunderstanding of darwinism. individual organisms and their genomes do not evolve. populations and their gene pools evolve. natural selection shapes, over large amounts of time, the genepool of a population based on their reproductive fitness. you need to look up what essentialism is. then understand darwinism proves there is no essential human or rabbit or frog, etc. there is only continuously changing forms of life that diverge over vast amounts of time
@JungleJargon You're right, monkeys are different to humans.. .but they are damn a lot more similar to humans than cows, in turn a lot more similar than peacocks, and in turn we're all a lot more similar than beetles.. Perhaps a complete comparison across the animal world would reveal the conclusion 'all animals are related and we all share a common ancestor' (the unifying fact of biology), alas, suffice to say no evidence will be evidence enough for you.
@ablet404 You did not present any evidence. Your entire belief is based on assumptions. Objects did not make you what you are and the genome is the only thing that reorders the genome. You believe nonsense.
@JungleJargon You call evolution nonsense yet you believe in a "god"? Amazing how hypocritical you are. You think something that has massive amounts of evidence to support it is nonsense yet you believe in a"god" that has no evidence that points towards it.
The mechanisms that function as ordered inside of us prove that we have a Maker because working mechanisms always have a maker and the hydrogen and most of the most common elements that function as ordered inside of us require a very great Maker.
The function of hydrogen inside of us proves the entire universe made of primarily of hydrogen has the same very great Maker.
@JungleJargon if evolution doesnt exist then how do we build immunities to sicknesses by are selves and how do the sicknesses them selves grow resistant to medications that would otherwise help. thats evolution. and of coarse were different from monkeys, if we were the same we wouldnt have need to evolve you idiot
@JungleJargon I think we worked that one out a while ago, but your point has no meaning to it. We are very different from "monkeys" (or apes, to use a better term) because millions of years of evolution--thus, a large number of species--stand between us. It sounds as though your interpretation of evolution is simply "a monkey turned into a human one day".
@SebbeSucksBawlz A monkey did not turn into a human any day because there is no mechanism for evolution. The genome is the only thing that reorders all the variations of the genome. External factors do not order anything in the genome and natural selection can only select what *is* reordered by the genome.
That is the reason mutations never accumulate and evolution never happens.
People need to stop making me think that I am smarter than all of the biologists.
@JungleJargon Because of course it's THAT simple, and that disproves everything we've wasted years looking into. Why don't you send Dawkins an email and tell him that?
@SebbeSucksBawlz Why doesn't Richard Dawkins listen and learn that only the genome reorders the genome and natural selection can only select what is reordered by the genome? No external factors are able to reorder the genome.
Human elvolution depends on on mutations like cycle cell. Many more of those mutations and our genome would no longer be viable.
@SiriusMined If humans depended on sickle cell to evolve, we are doomed because any more mutations like that and we will no longer exist.
For evolution to actually happen, you need more than 50,000 actual "beneficial" morphological changes and you can't even come up with one beneficial change in humans that does not have other side effects.
The direction of arteries does not depend much on genes. That happens at the development stage and works around what ever is in the way.
@SiriusMined You don't understand a single thing about objects making you what you are because it doesn't happen. It's always a preexisting word that makes life forms so objects don't get any of the credit.
Genetically identical people never have the same artery paterns or finger prints for that matter.
Arteries don't work that way. Each patern is unique like a snowflake but a snowflake doesn't have any function or mechanism.
If you made a clone of yourself, it would be different
@JungleJargon You don't understand a single thing about anything. Objects can change people, but not their specimen classification. There is never a purely genetically identical set of people, because there are always variations in genetic codes. What makes them identical in their physiology is the base genes that define what we humans declare to be people. People develop based on circumstance. Cloning is the process of replicating genes. Development over time will change them.
and salt water and fresh water do mix even in sea because if they dont mix they will remain there forever it is because of the water currents(flow) that the spot remains fresh because more and more water keeps coming.
Regarding Islam and Evolution, Islam does not claim that creation was instantaneous nor does it say how long it took Allah to create. But urges the Muslims to go out a learn and acquire as much knowledge as one can to answer desired questions. So it very well be right that the method that Allah used to create the universe as we know it, is what we call Evolution.
This just shows Dawkins ignorance of the Quran.. a person with such scientific knowledge should at least read the Quran b4 making such a statement and realize that it is talking about bodies of water that don't mix due to a barrier which science today calls a "pycnocline zone" and not just mixing the two in a cup.
getting greatest show of earth in a couple of weeks :) can't wait! his videos are great and I'm sure his books are too. I've always been going for atheism and for science for years now but his videos has made me so confident in science, I could walk around the house alone with all the lights off without showing the least bit of worry cause I know nothing paranormal exists.
@deanmullen10 I've got 4 of Dawkins' books. The Selfish Gene, The God Delusion, The Greatest Show on Earth and The Magic of Reality. I would heavily recommend them. The Greatest Show on Earth is wonderfully argued, with a few illustrations for support. I couldn't recommend it more. :)
An earnest request to you : Please investigate any such phenomena using the power of Internet/Library before attributing anything you don't understand to Quran ,Allah,Bible,Christ,Zeus.
Here's a starting point : wiki : Halocline
Misinformation broadcasted on the internet, is probably the worst thing anyone could do. Please Please Please do NOT follow the footsteps of people like Al Ghazali.
You own at least that much to the muslim scholars of 750 AD - 1258 AD.
@JungleJargon For a second I thought I should check if there has been any new scientific discovery regarding this. But i did a quick check of your profile page and realized that you can't be taken seriously. ..saved me some time.
In anticipation to your retort :
Sorry, but Im not going to indulge you in a debate within youtube's comments. There is enough pollution of that sort by creationists.
@test123ok You did not prove anything. I don't even know what you were addressing.
Everything about the ape is different from us, the neck, the shoulders, the knees, the hips, the fingers, toes, feet, hands, knuckles and there is no mechaism for that to change.
Objects mutations, insertions, duplications and selection never order anything. The genome orders the selections.
Ever see the ape skeleton? What about the ape DNA? the ape embryo compared to ours? how different is that from us? mutations, duplications,etc. combined with natural selection change the genome over time. Do you really think you know anything about evolution?
@FellOnSoundGarden I just told you the skeleton of an ape is totally different.
Our controlling DNA is totally different. That is the reason we are totally different.
The genomoe is the only thing that orders the genome. Objects do not order the genome. It is the genome that offers the selection from the limited information that it has.
I can't know about evolution because I can't know about something that never happens.
"The genomoe is the only thing that orders the genome. Objects do not order the genome. It is the genome that offers the selection from the limited information that it has."
You have no clue what you are talking about. The genome is modified and changed over time because of selection pressures. Whether it be natural selection or sexal selection. the genome does not order the genome. Do you know what genome means?
How can god explain the fact that humans are born with vestigial tails. This is also known as the coccyx or the tailbone. Some babies are even born with a small tail that delevops more than it normally does. Still wanna say that we aren;t apes? Look at embryo pics of humans, apes, even fish. VERY VERY similar in some stages. how does god explain that?
@JungleJargon Ok, you keep saying that people aren't proving anything after they make you look utterly stupid in their reply's to you ignorant comment. Then after you say they prove nothing, you blab on about things that have never been proven before, and think its right, i mean, for fuck sakes you believe in a fucking sky daddy. Save yourself some time and do not reply to this comment, because, i can ensure, you will once again, make your self look like a fucking retard. Thanks
@JungleJargon Oh, and just to help you out and fill in for your lack of knowledge, what test123ok was talking about was, you said "His T-shirt about us being all Africans has been proven wrong already." Then he replied to your vague and ignorant statement with "For a second I thought I should check if there has been any new scientific discovery regarding this. But i did a quick check of your profile page and realized that you can't be taken seriously. ..saved me some time."Then you were lost.
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scarfunk1 1 week ago
Why do american audiences laugh so damn easy? The presenter and dawkins were a bit funny but come on!
crsohr 3 weeks ago
GRAVITY is a theory and it is real we can observe it, and ironically evolution has more evidence to it than gravity.
Curassus 1 month ago
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There are forces beyond human understanding, and religions become insignificant, the human evolution insignificant as well, but very important in the universe, the creator is there, in front, ignorance does not let us see it. In this life and the next Stay in the light. Ramón.
MrRamon2004 1 month ago
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and about evolution ... i dont believe in it until i get some ACTUALY , VALID proof ... u realise that still most of the scientists dont believe in it . its still a theory not a fact , never proven and never will . and about religion like christianity and islam . go check ur facts , these religions actually mentioned many things that were proven later on in our world , like the big bang theory , it was mentioned in the quraan . and Bible mentioned many things about a human body which were proved
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 "and about evolution ... i dont believe in it until i get some ACTUALY , VALID proof" ..... try opening a textbook
logicalthinkingorg 1 month ago 9
@logicalthinkingorg oh :) i did guess what it said ? " THEORY " that means it wasnt proven . the scientists that dont aprove with it are more than the ones that approve with it :)
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 That is simply not true. The scientific theory of evolution is overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community, b/c the evidence is overwhelming. You don't understand the use of the word 'theory' as it is applied in science. This is what happens when you put too much 'faith' in mythology and not enough in real science, logic and reason.
logicalthinkingorg 1 month ago 6
@logicalthinkingorg i am not using my faith to say that it aint true . and i do know what a theory means , and i know how am using it. a theory means it still not proven yet taught cause it makes some sense due to some proofs , yet it aint a 100% valid proofs , i have my own brain to use when thinking , altough i do believe that evolution theory did happen , but not to humans from apes .
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Scientific theories are never 'proven'. I suggest you check out my video called "Science Works! Scientific Theory Explained" if you're interested in learning about it...
logicalthinkingorg 1 month ago
@logicalthinkingorg Interesting Videos , i guess i'll have to make more researches about this subject if i want to argue in it , its getting more interesting . anyhow thanks using a well mannered argument with me , i appreciate and take care .
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@logicalthinkingorg Evolution is a theory just as much as gravity is, hopefully you don't believe in that either so you can float the fuck away
gazzthompson 1 month ago 3
@gazzthompson tim minchin lulz
zbboston 1 week ago
@demonofyou1 You're just flat out wrong. That's an objective, verifiable fact that has nothing to do with my beliefs or yours. You're just wrong. In the same way 14/7 isn't 9. If we can agree to at least that much I promise your world could make alot more sense not only to you, but to onlookers. Humans did not come from apes and evolution is not a "theory" in its casual sense. It is a solid, supported scientific notion. Anyone with a degree would also interchange that with the word "fact".
katinkers 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 You don't believe humans evolved from older primates because there is not 100% proof (as far as you know) and that because there are gaps it must be wrong. Yet you put your faith in a book that is so open to interpretation that thousands of sects have developed around it with people killing each other over their interpretations and think vague passages are good enough to stand as proof that your religion is right? Human evolution is pretty well understood.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@MarkRosengarten now thats when i dont like when people criticise me about my faith and religion , when they dont know any actualy facts . can i ask u ? where did u hear about islam ?media ? fake hating websites ? well i studied it from its origion , not from a place where they just transform words just to make the world hate on us , now please if u dont mind get ur facts right about my religion then , if my religion was actually like what u r saying ,i wouldnt be following it
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 I'm not interested in discussing any "holy book" outside of a literary perspective. As long as the myriad factions in the Muslim world continue to kill each other over it, I'm not much interested in discussing its merits...just like Christianity. Evolution is the best working model on how things got to be where they are today. I don't care if you can interpret an obscure verse in retrospect to explain natural phenomena.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@MarkRosengarten why did u bring it up then if u dont wanna discuss it ? dont attack and then back off , u aint discussing anything . u r just failing in critcising and in discussing anything , i had much better arguments and i aint interested in discussing anything with someone that doesnt know how to debate and argue properly
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 I'm not interested in debating. I wanted to raise the point that evolution is not up for debate with regard to any serious scientist. I would love to see these scientists who don't believe in evolution and their research that supports the dismantling of that theory. If you would provide me with names, I would be happy to investigate further.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@MarkRosengarten u raised everything except that point . am sorry i am not gonna waste my time with you . take care ;)
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Typical response...when asked for evidence for statements made, they bolt. I really would like to know those names. I've heard the claim many times and never has the information been provided. WHO does not "believe" in evolution and what is their evidence? Please, don't drop this now.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Furthermore, if the Qu'ran and Bible were so scientifically advanced, why did it take 2000 years and SCIENCE for the discovery to be made? Like I said, anyone can look at a cryptic verse from any book (including Nostradamus' writings) and in hindsight attribute connections with the verse. It proves nothing, only that you are capable of trying to fit your fairy tale within the realm of what is scientifically understood to be true.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@MarkRosengarten u just answered urself indirectly . its not fitting anything to anything else , u want to convince me that before 2000 years humanbeings were so advanced ? and had such tools to make them capable to prove these things that were mentioned in quraan or bible any scripture mentioned by God .
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 If God knew it and people wrote it down, then why did it take 2000 years for it to come to light? Instead, religion kept civilization in the dark ages for a millennium and some religious countries are still in a dark ages. If evolution is not a fact, then what is different about people now as opposed to 2000 years ago that we can understand what they can't? Though most people still don't understand and would have never come up with these ideas on their own.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@MarkRosengarten HAAAH u r telling me please dont drop it now ? did u see how many arguments did u start and how many of them did u drop ? now excause me how old are u that u cant even recognize what u r doing and only can recognize what others did ?
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 I have no idea what you are talking about. I am responding to the myriad accusations you made throughout your posts. Let's keep this simple, then. Please provide evidence for your assertion that humans did not evolve from more primitive primates (because, as you know, we did not evolve from modern apes).
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@MarkRosengarten and btw i dont need to argue with u about this matter anymore i had much better arguments " again " with the guy who posted the video , and he brought up valid points that i cant argue with him except with more researches, atleast that guy knows how to argue, just because u have 1 point or 2 doesnt make u elligable to start arguing, i still dont understand why is everyone still arguing with me ? i already withdrawed myself from the arguement with the video owner
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Oh, I apologize for asking you questions. My bad. Please go on about your business. Enjoy your afternoon.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Please check out another Richard Dawkins video: "Why Aren't Chimps Still Evolving Into Humans?" Evolution does not claim that humans are descended from chimps. We're cousins that share most of the same DNA. We and chimps are descended from the same common ancestor.
RuleofFive 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Evolution is considered a theory because it cannot be COMPLETELY proven to be true. However, we are about 99.9% sure that evolution occurred in the planet's past and is still occurring. A minority of scientists in the USA (about 3%) are not convinced of evolution because they wrongly think that evolution interferes with their faith. However, around 40% of scientists are men of faith, so they must have figured out how to reconcile their beliefs with evolution.
sitodocambia 1 month ago
@logicalthinkingorg and that is due to , i do believe in how the Human genome keeps changing due to crossing over and that it keeps shortening , yet the genome doesnt disapear . a human has 23 pairs , an ape has 24 pairs " which are considered as our ancestors " i do think that the first humans probably looked slightly like apes or monkeys , yet they werent apes . but if the evolution theory was actually proved for humans , i'll be more than glad to believe in it .
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 You are correct about the 23 and 24 pairs of chromosomes. Scientists thought about this and asked how is it that humans have one less, if we share a common ancestor with primates? They made a prediction that we would find two primate chromosomes fused together as one in humans. Low and behold, our chromosome #2 is made up of primate chromosomes 12 and 13 fused together. Explain that.
TheLuckySaGe 1 month ago
@TheLuckySaGe No comment .i guess i'll have to make my own research about that :)
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@TheLuckySaGe
He can't. GOD DID IT.
TheSonorama21 1 month ago
@demonofyou1
Troll harder kid.
tartan1985 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Evolution is an observed fact. The "theory of Evolution through natural selection" is the scientific model used to explain the fact of evolution. So you can understand, let me use another example : gravity is a fact. The theory of gravity is the model used to explain gravitational pull, and used to make predictions.
And the overwhelming majority of biologists know evolution is true. You saying the contrary is simply wishful thinking.
Wotanraven 1 month ago
@demonofyou1
Do some research, please.
If you're going to say that scientific theories are just wild shots in the dark, then you'll say that gravity doesn't exist because it, too, is just a theory. In reality, scientific theories differ from "normal theories/guesses" because scientific theories actually have evidence to back them up. And maybe you were too busy thumping your Bible around to realize, but 93% of members at the National Academy of Sciences are atheist and accept evolution as fact.
foojuice101 1 month ago
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@demonofyou1 " u realise that still most of the scientists dont believe in it "
Sorry, but that's complete bullshit
" its still a theory not a fact"
proven that you don't know what "theory" means
SiriusMined 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 big bang theory in qurann ?. You mean the whole thing that describes in extreme vauge terms about a cloud and smoke that existed before everything ?
Tyrfingr 1 month ago
@Tyrfingr ya , it was also mentioned how the earth and planets were created scienceislam.cm/bigbang.php, go check that, also for more science mircals, in quraan god said"i aint afraid to give an example with a mosqueto what about whats above it" and only few years ago science discovered that there is a micro insect living on the back of the mosquito, not only quraan did that, also the bible mentioned great stuff, but media just picks the stuff they could criticize bad
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 I have read some of those things, but i have never made much fuzz about it. I mean people who wish to find something to interpret from ancient texts to modern scientific discoveries will always find something that makes sense to them. The mosquito for one thing was alluding to the skies in the original text, and the same with the big bang. I often doubt that even believers understand the old texts and what they really meant.
Tyrfingr 1 month ago
@Tyrfingr these things just direct u more towards studying science , Quraan says that knowledge is a way to rule and it is a powerful weapon , knowledge is the greatst thing that a human can have , now i aint hating on richard dawkins for making such a great theory , i actually respect his theory , and yes its hard to understand texts its only these who r qualified that can understand and explain it , even they sometimes dont understand it .
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 Im not sure who could be called qualified, all these texts were written a couple of thousand years ago during completely different cultural and social structures. And it was only a handful of people who were able to both read and write, and amongst them even fewer were introduced to these mystical writings. No doubt knowledge is power as well as freedom and independence. It's all about what one does with the knowledge, and to me these cults are for control. No offense.
Tyrfingr 1 month ago
@Tyrfingr i agree and it shouldnt be a reason for people to fight with each other .
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@Tyrfingr no offence taken , but cultures unit us , and in unity comes power , and fortuntly for us arabs our origional language is still preserved but unfortuntly we aint developing it , but the mystery about they scripturs sometimes only reveal within time cus some meaning dont make sense except with more scientific and even language researches . and i appreciate ur way of discussing such a matter .
demonofyou1 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 A unifying culture is important for many reasons, it does give people the power to be independent and so to say, join it's own people together as a group or family. That is depending on how well the society works. Science was as great back in the ancient world as it is today, people observed what they thought was a mystery until it was explained to them and then became obvious. To my way of thinking the Gods and 'Allah' is a mystery to those who can't settle for belief.
Tyrfingr 1 month ago
@demonofyou1 over 90% of scientists understand and accept evolution as fact. Dude you are spewing shit from your mouth.
MickScarborough 1 month ago
hahahaha i agree with his understanding of " salt water and pure water dont mix " yet the meaning in quraan doesnt mean it in that way , the thing that was mentioned in quraan is the fact that there r some actually pure water"somehow rivers"going through the sea in a river like pattern. and u can go look for ur sources int he internet, also like how some warm sea water passes through cold water in a river like pattern.pls respect that am talking respectfully so i dnt want any swearing criticism
demonofyou1 1 month ago
Damn it I blew it he said, I cant "explain" that, meaning if the man could even ask the question he would never grasp the answer.
lawnsausages 1 month ago
Dawkins is great to watch and he's very good but I miss Stephen J. Gould's essays. Gould's punctuated equilibrium theory made things like the speedy changes in the lizards mentioned here easy to understand. He was brilliant at making something that seemed so complex and complicated into a, "duh, why didn't I think of that?" The salt water reminded me of when Gould was asked to explain why men had one less rib than women by a smug creationist, Gould shook his head and said "I can't answer that."
lawnsausages 1 month ago
Richard Dawkins is a murderer of the soul.(.Illuminati..) he is a part of the New World Order Prozess.
Don``t be blinded by such intelektuel animals.
kartikeya1966 1 month ago
@kartikeya1966 Yeah, throw your intellect in the garbage bin and start believing in conspiracies. Sounds reasonable.
refuseit 1 month ago
I wouldn't agree. Sometimes shit sinks.
wyciskTV 2 months ago
This video is OLD
TheResidentSkeptic 2 months ago
I was once asked by a creationist for proof that god doesn't exist. He said he was fed up with athiests asking him for proof of god, but he had never seen their proof against god. I said, "Hellooo!!!!!! The proof against god is the lack of fucking proof for him!" Pardon the language, but it was a direct quotation
xHabsFan10x 2 months ago 4
PRAISE THE LAWD FOR MR. DAWKINS
ToadsMGodes 2 months ago
@ToadsMGodes the god of logic and reason how ironic that would be if it existed:/
alexanderhulse 2 months ago
@alexanderhulse wtf are you talking about mate? and whats with the gay stick figure you sent me?
ToadsMGodes 2 months ago
I see someone speaking from a brain that is a product of mindless, unguided processes of natural selection. As for me, I did not evolve from monkeys, it is your great grand father, grand father, father and mother that evolve from apes. Idiot!
eltopus4747 2 months ago
@eltopus4747 Apes have the same different structures as the monkeys have, I was refferring to the apes in the first place, I just called them monkeys.
Evolution is the bigest fraud and waste of money ever.
Evolution is an insult to science. No external factors ever reorder the genome. Naturual selection can only select what is reordered by the genome so all of the uniform variations are the result of what the genome reordered. Nothing else is able to reorder the genome.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon,
now... tell me your views about evolution and creation are not a result of your religion...
Right, that's what I thought.. You are an insult to the human race and your attitude is detrimental to science... I mean, real science
cperez1000 2 months ago
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@cperez1000 The genome is the *only* physical thing that reorders the genome. No external factors of any kind are able to order anything in the genome. It's the genome that reorders the selections, nothing else does. Get that simple fact through your head and you will see there is no mechanism to make evolution possible.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon
your a gnome !!!!!!!!!...with a pointy little hat on.
biggestatteist 2 months ago
@biggestatteist You failed to prove your belief that objects made you what you are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@eltopus4747
Learn to spell, and then come back. Also, don't shave for 5 months, look in the mirror, look at a chimp, and then come back.
NorthCitySider 2 months ago
@NorthCitySider Why should I reply you knowing that your ancestors were apes and monkeys? The last place I saw a monkey was at the zoo. I remember it picking its nose and licking its fingers. Cool ancestor, or is'nt it?
eltopus4747 2 months ago
@eltopus4747
Just my ancestors and not yours? Okay dumbass, do this for me. Don't shave for a year, don't even get a haircut, get naked, look in the mirror, then look at a picture of a gorilla. Then come back and talk to me, fucking prick.
NorthCitySider 2 months ago
This is not Critical Thinking this is Brainwashing. Not much Better then Religion is it?
Megapolable 2 months ago
@Megapolable hahaha someone's in denial..
InuShonen 2 months ago
@InuShonen hahahahahaha Someones being stupid again...let me help You: YOU!
Megapolable 2 months ago
@Megapolable lol good one. did your mother teach you that insult?
InuShonen 2 months ago
@InuShonen It was from your Papa
Megapolable 2 months ago
@Megapolable lol good comeback..
InuShonen 2 months ago
@Megapolable I gave your mum a comeback..
InuShonen 2 months ago
@InuShonen Your Papa is a Poop
Megapolable 2 months ago
Told my parents i was an atheist last week!! Parents aren't happy, but at least i am!!
MrGriffdude 2 months ago
There was no religion in Stalins schools
royrodel 2 months ago
@royrodel
How about you research this before making yourself look silly ?
Stalin, who trained as a priest and later saved the Orthodox church from his atheist comrades who wanted to turn it into something useful, was as religious as the Pope or Pat Robertson, only he considered himself as "god" and replaced the biblical invisible man with himself, much as Kim Il Dead did in North Korea.
allieron 2 months ago
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Are you an intolerant person? If so, you just might be a BIGOT.
bigot [ˈbɪgət]
n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
Atheist fits the definition perfectly.
ATHEISM = THE CHURCH OF BIGOTRY
1Makyo 2 months ago
These Richard dawkins is a big liar comments are so pathetic, if your god is so mighty and all-powerful why would he need your assistance?, your wasting your time trying to convert people, open your eyes and free your self from these lies that surround you fools
rapkantodus 2 months ago
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Richard Dawkins is a big LIAR , dont listen to him peolpe,
he is talking to you as if you are an
idiots or an animals.
he doesn't say the truth to you because he is fake , racial and wrong .
Open Minded Christian
konfoshari9 2 months ago
you shouldn't kill because of moral reasoning, not because your imaginary friend says so.. i don't trust anybody that relies on religion for their immorality.
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
No, I still have the urge to throw shit at stupid people......anyone religious.....
MetalSiicken 2 months ago
god bless mother africa XD jk jk
jjtheslayer69 2 months ago
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If evolution wans't so lousy, it wouldn't have to be subsidized.
Monkeys have different feet, hands, knuckles, shoulders, knees, jaws, hips, neck, teeth etc. They are very different from humans.
...and there is no mechanism for evolution.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon You are right, monkeys are, in many ways very different from humans, and this is b/c we separated on our evolutionary path about 50 million years ago. We are a lot closer to chimpanzees, who we separated from about 5 million years ago. This simply illustrates your complete lack of understanding and willful ignorance of evolution theory.
logicalthinkingorg 3 months ago 34
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@logicalthinkingorg The monkey I was talking about is the chimp.
They have different feet, hands, knuckles, shoulders, knees, jaws, hips, neck, teeth etc. They are very different from humans.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@logicalthinkingorg you mean the fact evolution right? ;P
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon This is all lies.
We are all Africans.
jcotter1888 3 months ago
@JungleJargon You don't get it. That's what evolution is -- monkeys and humans separated more than 40 million years ago in the evolutionary chain. I've always said that people who don't understand evolution generally don't understand the power of numbers or probability -- 40 million years is a heck of a long time, and it is still small compared to the age of the Earth.
adi87tya 2 months ago
@adi87tya The probability is that history is correct in saying the flood was 4400 years ago.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon Right...and what exactly are you trying to prove here? There may well have been flooding at the end of the last Ice Age -- that only proves that the Bible is based on some real-world events at the time. But it doesn't give us the correct age of the Earth, which has been proven by science.
adi87tya 2 months ago
@adi87tya You think that guessing the dates is better than actual historical records complete with geneologies.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon Who said the Bible was historical record? I've not seen that proven scientifically anywhere.
adi87tya 1 week ago
@adi87tya That is because you know nothing of the thousands of archaeological findings that prove the Bible is an actual historical record.
JungleJargon 1 week ago
@JungleJargon it's been millions of years.....and we are a different branch that have changed to live a different way than monkeys. Humans in 2 million years will most likely be slightly different than humans today(if our species is still alive), lets hope it's more about brain development, which some humans are clearly lacking compared to others.
MetalSiicken 2 months ago
@MetalSiicken Evolution is good at saying who deserves to live and who is not.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon you got served.
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
@dopeasfuckk You did not prove objects made you what you are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon the other guy made the argument
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
@dopeasfuckk There is no other argument to make. Objects did not make you what you are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon not sure what theory you're discussing. i hope you believe in the great doo doo at the bottom of the sea
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
@dopeasfuckk Ordered function in life forms requires a very great Maker, the only Maker there is of everything there is.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon You are trying to make stupidity sound smart. "Ordered function in life forms" cannot require a "very great maker" (why would you capitalize maker?), because then that maker needs a maker. You are answering the problem with a problem. Or did this maker you speak of evolve?
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon You are trying to make stupidity sound smart. "Ordered function in life forms" cannot require a "very great maker" (why would you capitalize maker?), because then that maker needs a maker. You are answering the problem with a problem. Or did this maker you speak of evolve?
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
@JungleJargon Well Well Well, another person on YouTube who made themselves look completely fucking retarded. What are the odds?
xZHRx 2 months ago
@xZHRx You failed to prove anything.
Ordered function in life forms requiring a Maker is logical and rational.
Objects ordering themselves is illogical and irrational.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon actually its illogical and irrational, retard. i don't care if you're faithful, don't muddle it up with reason.
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
@JungleJargon again, you have failed to make an argument. please study argument, fallacies, maybe some formal logic. evolution is proven by facts, you can either go see those facts or continue to live in your fairy tale bubble. there is no shred of evidence for creationism or god.. do you believe in Zeus? Thor? JuJu? if not you're atheist and denying the same lack of argument to a different fairy tale. Stop flooding youtube with lies.
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
@JungleJargon There is no mechanism for evolution? You do mean besides natural selection, adaptation, mutation, sexual selection, recombination and gene flow?
tonyac42 2 months ago
@tonyac42 It is only the genome that orders and reorders the genome, nothing else can order the genome and it is the genome that offers the selections to choose from with the limited information that the genome has. Mutations and such never order anything in the genome.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
You have a complete misunderstanding of darwinism. individual organisms and their genomes do not evolve. populations and their gene pools evolve. natural selection shapes, over large amounts of time, the genepool of a population based on their reproductive fitness. you need to look up what essentialism is. then understand darwinism proves there is no essential human or rabbit or frog, etc. there is only continuously changing forms of life that diverge over vast amounts of time
FellOnSoundGarden 2 months ago
@JungleJargon by reading your comment i can tell your brain is simular.
maestro4110 2 months ago 12
@maestro4110 I can spell similar.
...and objects did not make you what you are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon
thats coz where not monkey's you idiot, where apes there is a difference.
WasLilChrisnowbigish 2 months ago
@WasLilChrisnowbigish We're human. Apes are apes and apes are affectionately called monkeys.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon You're right, monkeys are different to humans.. .but they are damn a lot more similar to humans than cows, in turn a lot more similar than peacocks, and in turn we're all a lot more similar than beetles.. Perhaps a complete comparison across the animal world would reveal the conclusion 'all animals are related and we all share a common ancestor' (the unifying fact of biology), alas, suffice to say no evidence will be evidence enough for you.
ablet404 2 months ago
@ablet404 You did not present any evidence. Your entire belief is based on assumptions. Objects did not make you what you are and the genome is the only thing that reorders the genome. You believe nonsense.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon You call evolution nonsense yet you believe in a "god"? Amazing how hypocritical you are. You think something that has massive amounts of evidence to support it is nonsense yet you believe in a"god" that has no evidence that points towards it.
Typical theist.
Arsenalw80 2 months ago
@Arsenalw80 The evidence of mechanisms that function as ordered prove that we have a Maker.
Objects making you what you are is illogical and irrational.
There is no evidence for evolution.
There is only evidence of a Maker.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon And yet you provide no proof of a "maker". Why? Because there isn't any proof.
Arsenalw80 2 months ago 8
@Arsenalw80 There is proof of a Maker.
The mechanisms that function as ordered inside of us prove that we have a Maker because working mechanisms always have a maker and the hydrogen and most of the most common elements that function as ordered inside of us require a very great Maker.
The function of hydrogen inside of us proves the entire universe made of primarily of hydrogen has the same very great Maker.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon if evolution doesnt exist then how do we build immunities to sicknesses by are selves and how do the sicknesses them selves grow resistant to medications that would otherwise help. thats evolution. and of coarse were different from monkeys, if we were the same we wouldnt have need to evolve you idiot
MrTechnohound 2 months ago
@MrTechnohound The variation of species does not result in evolution.
You failed to prove that we evolved from apes and monkeys.
Only the genome reorders the genome.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon I'm pretty sure I have different feet, hands, knuckles, shoulders, knees, jaws, hips, neck and teeth from you too. Point being?
SebbeSucksBawlz 2 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz Wrong, you have human features.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon I think we worked that one out a while ago, but your point has no meaning to it. We are very different from "monkeys" (or apes, to use a better term) because millions of years of evolution--thus, a large number of species--stand between us. It sounds as though your interpretation of evolution is simply "a monkey turned into a human one day".
SebbeSucksBawlz 2 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz A monkey did not turn into a human any day because there is no mechanism for evolution. The genome is the only thing that reorders all the variations of the genome. External factors do not order anything in the genome and natural selection can only select what *is* reordered by the genome.
That is the reason mutations never accumulate and evolution never happens.
People need to stop making me think that I am smarter than all of the biologists.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon Because of course it's THAT simple, and that disproves everything we've wasted years looking into. Why don't you send Dawkins an email and tell him that?
SebbeSucksBawlz 2 months ago
@SebbeSucksBawlz Why doesn't Richard Dawkins listen and learn that only the genome reorders the genome and natural selection can only select what is reordered by the genome? No external factors are able to reorder the genome.
Human elvolution depends on on mutations like cycle cell. Many more of those mutations and our genome would no longer be viable.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon
Did you mean sickle cell?
There are beneficial mutations as well as neutral and harmful ones.
I have an EXTRA CORONARY ARTERY, brining more oxygenated blood to my heart. I know this because I had a cardiac catheterization.
SiriusMined 2 months ago
@SiriusMined If humans depended on sickle cell to evolve, we are doomed because any more mutations like that and we will no longer exist.
For evolution to actually happen, you need more than 50,000 actual "beneficial" morphological changes and you can't even come up with one beneficial change in humans that does not have other side effects.
The direction of arteries does not depend much on genes. That happens at the development stage and works around what ever is in the way.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "If humans depended on sickle cell to evolve"
What? No one says we do. You don't understand a single thing abotu evolution.
"you can't even come up with one beneficial change in humans "
I already told you one.
"The direction of arteries does not depend much on genes"
1) genes DETERMINE the "direction"
2) I didn't say the direction was different, I have an EXTRA artery. That requires additional genes.
SiriusMined 2 months ago
@SiriusMined You don't understand a single thing about objects making you what you are because it doesn't happen. It's always a preexisting word that makes life forms so objects don't get any of the credit.
Genetically identical people never have the same artery paterns or finger prints for that matter.
Arteries don't work that way. Each patern is unique like a snowflake but a snowflake doesn't have any function or mechanism.
If you made a clone of yourself, it would be different
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon You don't understand a single thing about anything. Objects can change people, but not their specimen classification. There is never a purely genetically identical set of people, because there are always variations in genetic codes. What makes them identical in their physiology is the base genes that define what we humans declare to be people. People develop based on circumstance. Cloning is the process of replicating genes. Development over time will change them.
4M473R45U 2 months ago
@4M473R45U It is the genome that is being discussed not personal development.
The genome degrades with time. It is not that our genome is "developing" more and more.
Identical twins start out the same and grow idividually.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@SiriusMined Actually it doesn't require additional genes, just the same one with the code for the protein production, slightly mutated.
4M473R45U 2 months ago
@4M473R45U A slightly mutated protein can make it no longer viable and it doesn't take much to make a good protein useless.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
Man, Maher is such a fuckass. Can he go 10 seconds without throwing in his dry, tasteless jokes into the conversation ?
Xalimander 3 months ago
@Xalimander
Uh, he's PAID to make those jokes...
SiriusMined 2 months ago
@SiriusMined Uh.... ok ?
Xalimander 2 months ago
and salt water and fresh water do mix even in sea because if they dont mix they will remain there forever it is because of the water currents(flow) that the spot remains fresh because more and more water keeps coming.
WinterLights7 3 months ago
the barrier that quran says is an isthmus not unseen such lies!
WinterLights7 3 months ago
Regarding Islam and Evolution, Islam does not claim that creation was instantaneous nor does it say how long it took Allah to create. But urges the Muslims to go out a learn and acquire as much knowledge as one can to answer desired questions. So it very well be right that the method that Allah used to create the universe as we know it, is what we call Evolution.
sphinxak 3 months ago
This just shows Dawkins ignorance of the Quran.. a person with such scientific knowledge should at least read the Quran b4 making such a statement and realize that it is talking about bodies of water that don't mix due to a barrier which science today calls a "pycnocline zone" and not just mixing the two in a cup.
sphinxak 3 months ago
getting greatest show of earth in a couple of weeks :) can't wait! his videos are great and I'm sure his books are too. I've always been going for atheism and for science for years now but his videos has made me so confident in science, I could walk around the house alone with all the lights off without showing the least bit of worry cause I know nothing paranormal exists.
deanmullen10 3 months ago 3
@deanmullen10 I've got 4 of Dawkins' books. The Selfish Gene, The God Delusion, The Greatest Show on Earth and The Magic of Reality. I would heavily recommend them. The Greatest Show on Earth is wonderfully argued, with a few illustrations for support. I couldn't recommend it more. :)
Halo3ForumEurope 2 months ago
@deanmullen10 Agreed I'll definitely get around to buying some of his other books in the new year :)
deanmullen10 2 months ago
untill new discoveries prove that all our ancestors lived on mars, we are martians!
manz92 3 months ago
Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher in the same room? Fuckin' Awesome.
JokerFan252 3 months ago
"whether water is salt or fresh, shit floats"
I think that will be the T-shirt that Bill gives Dr. Dawkins next time.
test123ok 3 months ago 8
@test123ok
Watch this: Richard Dawkins Public Lie about Quran, Salt and Fresh Water Exposed: /watch?v=q2IEvykdCpQ
helasmoh 3 months ago
@helasmoh
An earnest request to you : Please investigate any such phenomena using the power of Internet/Library before attributing anything you don't understand to Quran ,Allah,Bible,Christ,Zeus.
Here's a starting point : wiki : Halocline
Misinformation broadcasted on the internet, is probably the worst thing anyone could do. Please Please Please do NOT follow the footsteps of people like Al Ghazali.
You own at least that much to the muslim scholars of 750 AD - 1258 AD.
test123ok 2 months ago
@test123ok His T-shirt about us being all Africans has been proven wrong already.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon For a second I thought I should check if there has been any new scientific discovery regarding this. But i did a quick check of your profile page and realized that you can't be taken seriously. ..saved me some time.
In anticipation to your retort :
Sorry, but Im not going to indulge you in a debate within youtube's comments. There is enough pollution of that sort by creationists.
test123ok 2 months ago
@test123ok You did not prove anything. I don't even know what you were addressing.
Everything about the ape is different from us, the neck, the shoulders, the knees, the hips, the fingers, toes, feet, hands, knuckles and there is no mechaism for that to change.
Objects mutations, insertions, duplications and selection never order anything. The genome orders the selections.
You are better off quitting before you start.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon
Ever see the ape skeleton? What about the ape DNA? the ape embryo compared to ours? how different is that from us? mutations, duplications,etc. combined with natural selection change the genome over time. Do you really think you know anything about evolution?
FellOnSoundGarden 2 months ago
@FellOnSoundGarden I just told you the skeleton of an ape is totally different.
Our controlling DNA is totally different. That is the reason we are totally different.
The genomoe is the only thing that orders the genome. Objects do not order the genome. It is the genome that offers the selection from the limited information that it has.
I can't know about evolution because I can't know about something that never happens.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
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"The genomoe is the only thing that orders the genome. Objects do not order the genome. It is the genome that offers the selection from the limited information that it has."
You have no clue what you are talking about. The genome is modified and changed over time because of selection pressures. Whether it be natural selection or sexal selection. the genome does not order the genome. Do you know what genome means?
You completely ignored the embryo question.
FellOnSoundGarden 2 months ago
@JungleJargon
How can god explain the fact that humans are born with vestigial tails. This is also known as the coccyx or the tailbone. Some babies are even born with a small tail that delevops more than it normally does. Still wanna say that we aren;t apes? Look at embryo pics of humans, apes, even fish. VERY VERY similar in some stages. how does god explain that?
FellOnSoundGarden 2 months ago
@FellOnSoundGarden How can a few "beneficial" mutations with serious side effects ever order anything in the genome?
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon Ok, you keep saying that people aren't proving anything after they make you look utterly stupid in their reply's to you ignorant comment. Then after you say they prove nothing, you blab on about things that have never been proven before, and think its right, i mean, for fuck sakes you believe in a fucking sky daddy. Save yourself some time and do not reply to this comment, because, i can ensure, you will once again, make your self look like a fucking retard. Thanks
xZHRx 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon Oh, and just to help you out and fill in for your lack of knowledge, what test123ok was talking about was, you said "His T-shirt about us being all Africans has been proven wrong already." Then he replied to your vague and ignorant statement with "For a second I thought I should check if there has been any new scientific discovery regarding this. But i did a quick check of your profile page and realized that you can't be taken seriously. ..saved me some time."Then you were lost.
xZHRx 2 months ago