A Challenge to the True Pastors (Paul Washer)

[ginapraise]

We really fell the fire of God in his preaching

[Steelers2417]

Lets goo soldiers of Christ. Stand up and take and stand for our Lord and Savior.

[edwinljordan]

For what I hate is I am a sinner but the one and only way to rid your self is that Jesus died for all of us. Just imagine all the sin he took on to save us for a better life.

[JayEvangelist09]

O Aleluya 1:50-2:04 this is the viewpoint that many people consider extreme, they fail to realize Christ has given us everything, and so we must be prepared if we are called to do so, to lose everything for Christ, people say that is fanatical, it is biblical.

[99minerkc]

Preach this-your jesus is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, nothing more!! He never rose! At best he's dead at worst he never existed!!

[mrjdoggy]

@99minerkc Wow... that caps lock really drove your point home. My faith lies in pieces.

[pianosfun]

@99minerkc You can believe this all you want, but you have to admit that something different about Paul Washer, or Leonard Ravenhill, or John Piper, makes you even more angry (And causes you to waste your time commenting on these (Washer) Christian videos which you oppose . Because even though you don't believe in Christ, you can see in their life something real. If they live their whole life doing this, and die, and it's fake, they wasted their time. But.. if they're right...

[99minerkc]

@pianosfun Sorry, but your comment fails on so many levels! Also, Pascals Wager is the biggest fail of all as it just proves that you convert do to fear of an eternal suffering!

[theocratickingdom30]

@99minerkc: I would agree that PW is a fail. Men exist for God's glory whether they like it or not. Some exist to reveal God's mercy, love, and grace. But, the vast majority exist to reveal God's justice, wrath, and righteousness. This was determined before time even began. Men disbelieve because they are not of His sheep.

[99minerkc]

@theocratickingdom30 You have ZERO proof of your claims

[theocratickingdom30]

@99minerkc: Don't know much about historic Christianity do you. If you did you wouldn't have said that. It is worthless to a Christian.

[99minerkc]

@theocratickingdom30 Where's the proof? So far you have offered nothing but your opinion. Oh, and don't try to use the bible as proof because it's no different that the quran and other holy books. So, again, proof pls!

[theocratickingdom30]

@99minerkc: Don't give me that false claim of neutrality.

[99minerkc]

@theocratickingdom30 Where's the proof? If you don't provide any in your nest comment, you will have FAILED!

[theocratickingdom30]

@99minerkc: You ask for proof, but I'm dealing with how one interprets that proof. Mankind is not morally neutral. They do illogical things every day due to sin. Why do we lie when we know the truth is better off? And if man is not morally neutral then providing evidence is futile. Christianity teaches YOU WILL NOT COME TO CHRIST UNDER ANY circumstances unless HE opens your heart. I'm not denying evidence. I am just daling with the presuppositions before the evidence.

[Figurate86]

@99minerkc, This videos are not for outsiders, not for unbelievers, this is for those who are in lack of true teaching of Christianity, no for those who don't know absolutely anything of it.. so, get out of this discussion, you're acting like a fool in stating "Jesus is dead", 'cause, only to start seeing such videos you must be a believer, that's the matter, sorry;

[99minerkc]

@Figurate86 the videos are for anyone who chooses to watch them! If the videos are for a select few then they need to be set for "private". you said, " acting like a fool in stating "Jesus is dead"" Show the proof he's not dead, I dare you to!!!!!

[cristosed]

@737flyhigh how is it false? i don't understand

[222heisrisen]

If God doesn't know all things. and know the future, then Revelation is a lie?

Mark 10:26-27 When Jesus was asked by the disciples who can enter the kingdom of heaven. With man it is impossible, But not with God : For with God all things are possible.

[twarks144]

google Doe's Account, mindblowing.

[HermitintheRain]

Read a story the other day of a preacher in a prison in Vietnam for preaching. He formed a small church inside the prison. They offered him early release. He refused it because he still had work to do with that church inside that prison. His wife with her two kids praised the Lord that there father and her husband was be so used of the Lord.

[barnabasrodgers]

This is so true. When I began my present pastorate I preached the Scripture with boldness and conviction. Immediately I was rejected, persecuted and rejected. What a pity the church is so worldly today that it doesn't even recognize God's Word as absolute truth. I'm not a whacked out conservative...just someone who believes God's Word is true. One day we pastor's will stand before the Firey Eyed One and give an account for what we did with His Word.

[polopowers1]

Salvation is not all about the work of God but the rest of God in Christ Jesus.Too much emphasis on emotional works and not on resting in His Word.Not all men are called to evangelize.The gospel is three things, evangelism, loving the brethren, and feeding the poor You can do one.Most think that evangelism is synomonous to preaching it is not.If you really believe God's elect can never be lost, evangelism should be a battle of doing it in Virtue,not hysteria or over zealous works and emotions

[tigerbait24]

@dmandavidbeverly

Should be Ezekiel 36:24-28

[dmandavidbeverly]

Does anyone know which book and scripture he is reading from in the first 40 seconds?

[cafse77]

god doent exist, deal with and enjoy the 75 or so years you have on earth.... brainwashing is prevalent in all societies... Muslims / hindus etc. etc. are just as convinced thier god is the only one and you are the infidels...

You are retarding human progression by reading and following scriptures written by uneducated desert tribes from the bronze age...

[wheresmylife]

An even better title for this clip would be: A Challenge To All True Christians. This certainly isn't limited to just pastors.

If Christians truly and deeply grasped this beyond just the typical "I know that," surface-level thinking, we would all be further along in our walks with God than we currently are. Knowing isn't enough! It's dangerous to know only!

As Leonard Ravenhill said, we are all exactly where we choose to be in our walk with God.

[eileenmaryeileen7]

Amen!

[ChristianVault]

good

[beingther]

the problem is the church system dont know the different between position and experience . this is one of the greatest principles of gods word .are position is one with christ are experience is walking in the faith we have (and thats not much)

[prinzemike]

Please God...create in me a clean heart so you can use me!

[DezzyRayz]

It is true and oh how true it really is.

[SimoPepi11]

I agree with every word he said. Thank you Jesus!

[aprodigal]

And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. ~ Luke 9:62

[jesuskopp]

I enjoy passion like this!

[vattee]

I dont understand PeeWee. He reads of the Lord: "I will". Then he starts to speak about how we must... great exposition though.

[Heavendreamer2]

because our job is to do His Will. What God wills, we are to fall into line with. I'm sure there is more to what he was saying here though since we are obviously only hearing part of the message

[helmuthoorn]

For somebody like me, kicked out of the ministry and his Church, for being ''incommuncative'' this sounds rather familiar.

[jpkm7992]

Any Religion that brings discord and disharmony to the world is false. We are one species,human beings.Stop with all the Hate mongering, Thats not right,and its not fair,cause there are to many people that will blindly follow that garbage.Love God, Love Others, Period... Shalom. JohnMcDade, Tampa

[echo4kilomp]

That so untrue and I think you couldn't have said it more inaccuratley. Jesus said I didn't come to bring peace but to bring a sword. The gospel of Christ cuts into the heart of man like a sword. It offends and divides, and that's how you know it's true. The world hates God. If thats not discord and disharmony I don't know what is. That, however proves it's reality, not like you said, that it is false because of that.

[Lishasdreams]

@echo4kilomp I would love to use what you have said here on my FB page.. It's so true.. Thank you so much for posting this. :)

[faithfulstronghold]

The World is false and you and your discord,disharmony and Hate look at your own heart.

[iamredyforhim]

The truth is the only thing that will set men free and keep them free...Jesus spoke this is St. John 8:32 and 36 Preach the truth Brother..Minister Bob Bankston Cleveland, Tn. 37323

[martinezlinda94]

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[PaladinMark]

What school did Paul Washer get banned from ?

[Terri3210]

Luke 23:42Lord remember me when thou come into thy kingdom

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Q: HOW did this thief get saved!

A: John 2:23-24 He could see that It was just and Intellectual Ascent. Paul said I declare unto you the Gospel Jesus Knows All Men

Jesus knows ascension of the mind or the heart.

The thief believed in his heart Jesus knows the hearts of men.

Like the thief; salvation is yours for the asking

Believe

[PaladinMark]

How do you know you have truly believed in your heart - and God has saved you ? Because you will bear fruit. Faith - without works is dead. Good trees produce good fruit, bad trees prooduce bad fruit .

[Terri3210]

Amen and The door of Salvation is open to all men.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Everyone and anyone is welcome of their own freewill to come to Jesus and be saved.

Luke 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

[FirstHeardHere]

I'd encourage you to read chapter 9 of romans.

Also chapter 1 of ephesians and then tell me how much "free will" man has.

[Heavendreamer2]

man can have free will & still be pre-appointed to become conformed to the Lord's image. The Scripture tells us that He "foreknew" us, and then foreordained, or appointed us to be conformed to His likeness. It's because God knows our hearts & knows ahead of time the decisions we will make. If you read closely John 14 you will find that only those who are willing to do God's will receive regeneration.

[FirstHeardHere]

Which is the difference between the two sides. People who lean towards Arminianism would say forknowledge prompted predestination, and the calvinists would say predestination prompted forknowledge. In other words we chose Him so He chose us would be free will side. He chose us so we chose Him would be divine sovereignty side. It is a secondary docterine therefore you can believe either and still be saved. :-)

[Heavendreamer2]

Of course, lol

[kernyson]

@Heavendreamer2 I like how you handle that issue, however when Romans 8 talks about 'foreknew' it doesn't imply a 'knowing that we would choose' mentality. It's contradicting if that is what you bring out of it. (wayne grudem in his systematic theology book is very good on this, interesting to read)

[Heavendreamer2]

@kernyson contradictory? In what way? He says He foreknew us, and that those He foreknew He pre-appointed... foreknowing us means He foreknew (knew ahead of time)our choices, our desires, our will..ie our Hearts... I don't see what other meaning you could get out of that passage

[kernyson]

@Heavendreamer2 I'll refer you to 'all4hisgloryalone' for what they have written shows that for God to have looked outside himself for knowledge then ultimately knowledge is god.

Blessings

[Heavendreamer2]

@kernyson . Knowledge, is not a sentient being, therefore knowledge cannot be God. God is the one who created us,the one who is Judge and Lord of all. Nothing can stop God from being God regardless of "how" He gets or has knowledge. Perhaps you should read my reply to all4Hisgloryalone which was posted 6 minutes ago. ps. Nothing is outside of God. He fills all things & is infinite. We are IN Him, therefore He never has to look "outside" Himself

[kernyson]

@Heavendreamer2 yes but by submitting that you think God has to act upon the knowledge of a man in order to 'predestine' him you are saying exactly that. Plus, one scripture cannot sum up an entire doctrine we must look at the whole biblical revelation. The idea as well as God 'finding out' stuff has always proven to be for the benefit of man. e.g. ' adam where are you?' or the idea that God 'searches' our hearts. Its not because he is unaware but to reveal a revelation to us.

[Heavendreamer2]

@kernyson I am not saying God has to look outside Himself for knowledge but that Scripture does not tell us "how" God knows what He does. The point is that you say that if God predestines us based on His knowing of us= knowledge controls God. That doesn't make sense. God acts of His own free will based on what He knows combined with His character, purpose etc. This does not mean knowledge controls God.God controls Himself but makes decisions based on what we do ex: Sodom/Gomorrah vs Ninevah

[all4Hisgloryalone]

@Heavendreamer2 God knows all things and there has never been a time when He did not know all things.Therefore all His knowledge is "foreknown". If He looks "down the corridors of time", who may I ask created this corridor and did God not know before He looked? If God must look outside Himself for knowledge, into the future, then the future rules God. Free will means free from God's will. No thanks.

[Heavendreamer2]

@all4Hisgloryalone Scripture does not tell us "how" God knows things... Read about Sodom & Gomorrah when He says He will "go down" and "see" if the outcry was as bad as it sounded.

Who said He "looks down the corridors of time"? not me. But even if He did,does that make Him any less God? The future could not control God regardless of how He gets/has knowledge. Free will is only free from His will if it chooses to be. We have free will to choose Him & His will.

[all4Hisgloryalone]

@Heavendreamer2 when I voted dislike I meant Heavendreamer2's

comment, not the video I like this video and the ministry of Paul Washer. You tube please correct my vote. I'm new at this.

[johnyjamie]

You'll trust God's word (Bible) and obey it. You won't want to sin anymore even though we still do, just not willfully. That's how you know you've been born again. God makes you a new person when you have faith in Jesus.

[libbyandtai]

BUT REPENTANCE IS A SIGN OF FAITH

YOU MUST BELIEVE FIRST

REPENTING COMES AFTER YOU BELIEVE

THAT THIEF HEARD OF THE TRUE MESSIAH JESUS CHRIST DIEING NEXT TO HIM

AND AS HE SAW HIM HE DID NOT CARE IF HE WAS SAVED

HE KNEW HE DESERVED DEATH

HE JUST ASKED TO BE REMEMBERED

tHATS A GOOD FRUIT IN ITSELF TO REPENT OF HIS OLD LIFE FOR CHRIST

[Heavendreamer2]

yes, believing is before (or perhaps at the same time as) repentance, but God is the one who regenerates our spirits and cleanses us. Too many have an intellectual belief without the heart change & have been taught that all. they have to do is pray a prayer & they are saved

[decoymiata]

me me me sheesh god needs to get over himself...i dont need to listen to a guy that thinks he knows what he reads if tehre was a god he can come talk to me..im sure he could do that if he can make the universe...

[Terri3210]

Wow im listening to this sermon and self analyzing wondering how I can be more for Jesus and how I measure up in my personal walk with the Lord Jesus.

What wrongs are in my life that need be changed what if anything am I doing right in His Holy site?

And then read those that have not even made to square one.

These that far from and are facing eternal hell if they cant drop their pride and repent of their sins to the one true God.

We have been given a great gift; freewill.

[libbyandtai]

AMEN I PRAY FOR YOU

Caleb Lee Lambright

[vasiliosrigos]

I AM,

To God goes all the Glory

[itigw]

Finally, someone preaching the truth with no compromise. It's time we get serious about the things of God. Often times preachers will preach what a congregations wants to hear and not what they NEED to hear.

[JesusonlyYou]

Amen, I like the part about "I," what GOd will do. Its what God does and God does it! He does and we cooperate. Grace grace, God's grace. Grace that is greater than all my sin. Amen!

[MarkEdwinWeatherford]

Do you happen to know which sermon this is from? I would appreciate it if you could send me the link to this entire sermon. Thanks.

[LaneCh]

I'm not sure exactly, but I think it might be Regeneration and Self-denial. You can find it at sermonaudio.

[skycoper]

God's sovereignity always offends man's adamic nature. He who rules and judges all at the end of time is Whom we need to concern ourselves.

[headachehealer]

Hi everyone. I am a disciple of Christ. I believe what Jesus taught in the gospels. If we are able to read and make simple prayers to God our Father, He can reveal all thing to us to help us in our lives- even if we are troubled. We do not need a middle man. Jesus Christ will show us the way to the Father Himself.

[undivided809]

i told the people in our church the stuff i learned from watching paul washer.like the one about repeating a prayer..some(a lot) of them are offended.

[LaneCh]

That's understandable, but don't lose heart or faith. The truth always offends the self-righteous, and anyone who believes that they're saved because of something they do instead of by God's grace alone will be offended at sound teaching. Take care.

[undivided809]

thank you.

[ocpud2999]

The true Gospel offends. As a Southern baptist I was taught a certain way. When I started listening to brother Paul I was offended at first. As I listened I felt the spirit convict me and after I read the verses he went thru I realized he was correct. I realize it is not what I was taight that counts it is whats in the Bible. A truly regenerated person may be offended at first but the holly spirit will convict you to the truth. If we stop growing as blievers then thats when you worry.

[jimzzy49]

@LaneCh I agree with what you write/say, because here in the nation of Australia the Churches are DECEIVED Big time! Just because they prayed a prayer into their heart(s) - Won't necessarily save them??

[masterowa]

I explained one girl that God is all powerful and salvation belongs to him. That his purpose is not dependent on us and his will always is done... She got SO angry and told me she does not want such a God (?) and she does not believe God is like that...

Life got hard after conversion.

[jaredsshield]

I told my friends they are living lies and they wanted to quit being a Christian We just have to pray that God will open their hearts up. We can only plant the seed.

[redbrest]

If you love Christ Paul Washer Is worth your time. Check it out.

[deliveryninja]

Beautiful, just beautiful.

[2corinthians710]

could u do a video on the history of john calvin?

[LaneCh]

I don't think that I have any audio or video resources that deal with that subject specifically. I know where some literature is on the web so you can read about him, though. Just let me know if you're interested, and I'll send it to you via pm.

[2corinthians710]

i am interested.

[LaneCh]

Ok, send me a pm tonight to remind me because it's 3:55am here, and I will do it in the morning, Lord willing.

[eyeztothesky]

Amen, this was powerful

[LaneCh]

I believe John Piper also speaks correctly when he says:

"This (barbaric) atmosphere gave rise to the greatest and the worst achievement of Calvin. The greatest was the writing of the Institutes of the Christian Religion, and the worst was his joining in the condemnation of the heretic, Michael Servetus, to burning at the stake in Geneva."

[LaneCh]

Have I said that his involvement was right?

[stingoftruth]

lane, i really hope you trust in the Lord for your salvation at the time of your physical death, and not calvin and his teachings

[LaneCh]

I trust in Him now. I hope you learn to read entire sentences that I write instead of leaning towards your own preconceived judgment before addressing me again.

[mrpeowpeow]

amen brother

[stingoftruth]

i meant he had committed no crime against people, not one that desired the death penalty, and furthermore why did he defend the execution of servetus after the execution?

[LaneCh]

"Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are. There is no question here of man's authority; it is God who speaks, and clear it is what law he will have kept in the church, even to the end of the world. (cont...)

[LaneCh]

...Wherefore does he demand of us a so extreme severity, if not to show us that due honor is not paid him, so long as we set not his service above every human consideration, so that we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and forget all humanity when the matter is to combat for His glory." - John Calvin

That's why.

[stingoftruth]

why quote calvin, he was not a christian, where is the scriptural backing for any of what you just quoted. Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; also see titus 1:11-16, 1 tim. 5:20 rebuke does not mean execute

[stingoftruth]

i like paul washer, but he doesn't believe calvinism as he says he does. calvinism teaches limited atonement [that jesus died only for saved people] the bible teaches universal atonement [john 3:16] calvin taught salvation by baptism the bible teaches baptism is for one who is saved as an act of obediance , calvin also murdered people who did not agree with his teachings, even if they were christians [google: michael servetus]

[LaneCh]

The Bible teaches limited atonement and does not teach universal atonement. Look at the two videos that I'll post as a response to this one. The Bible teaches water baptism for repentance and baptism with the Holy Spirit for salvation. As far as Servetus, he denied the Trinity and Calvin actually fought to have the sentence reduced.

[stingoftruth]

the whole trinity thing was earlier in his life, look at some of servetus last words, look at why calvin said if servetus ever came to geneva if it was up to him servetus would never leave alive, check this out evangelicaloutreach dot org/ashes.htm

[LaneCh]

This that Calvin did was wrong. He shouldn't have burned Servetus. It is a black mark on his name for sure, but I believe Philip Schaff sums up the situation the best:

[LaneCh]

"We now come to the dark chapter in the history of Calvin which has cast a gloom over his fair name, and exposed him, not unjustly, to the charge of intolerance and persecution, which he shares with his whole age.

[LaneCh]

The burning of Servetus and the decretum horribile are sufficient in the judgment of a large part of the Christian world to condemn him and his theology, but cannot destroy the rocky foundation of his rare virtues and lasting merits. History knows only of one spotless being—the Saviour of sinners. Human greatness and purity are spotted by marks of infirmity, which forbid idolatry. Large bodies cast large shadows, and great virtues are often coupled with great vices.

[LaneCh]

Calvin and Servetus—what a contrast! The best abused men of the sixteenth century, and yet direct antipodes of each other in spirit, doctrine, and aim: the reformer and the deformer; the champion of orthodoxy and the archheretic; the master architect of construction and the master architect of ruin, brought together in deadly conflict for rule or ruin.

[LaneCh]

Both were men of brilliant genius and learning; both deadly foes of the Roman Antichrist; both enthusiasts for a restoration of primitive Christianity, but with opposite views of what Christianity is." - Schaff

[LaneCh]

stingoftruth said: "calvin also murdered PEOPLE who did not agree with his teachings, even if THEY were christianS"

PEOPLE, THEY, and christianS are plural nouns, not singular. Who were the others?

[stingoftruth]

servetus we've discussed and you just like calvin have basically all but said flat out its ok to murder those who disagree with calvin, oh wait, calvin did say that flat out.. anyway Jacques Gruet was a man calvin had a hand in murdering him, Jerome Bolsec to my knowledge was not murdered by calvin.. i find it horrible you overlook calvin's murdering, and fail to ask if he was even a christian, and with your defending him i wonder if you're a christian

[LaneCh]

Lane said: "This that Calvin did was wrong. He shouldn't have burned Servetus. It is a black mark on his name for sure, but I believe Philip Schaff sums up the situation the best:"

stingoftruth said: "servetus we've discussed and **you just like calvin have basically all but said flat out its ok to murder those who disagree with calvin**,"

Apparently its not me who's holding onto tradition instead of reading the text.

[stingoftruth]

when you hold the mans words as a defense you are taking his position and to quote him means to fully support him, unless you've specified otherwise. look at the facts, the bible says a good tree does not bear bad fruit. do you call murdering someone for disagreeinbg with what you believe good fruit

[LaneCh]

Do you consider blaspheming God, reviling others, and spreading heresy to be good fruit?

[stingoftruth]

not at all, BUT NEITHER IS MURDER, for heresy we are told what to do in the bible, reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and doctrine 2 tim. 4:2 but calvin just went on and executed

[LaneCh]

He did over and over, but Servetus never budged.

[LaneCh]

Jacques Gruet sent anonymous letters to Calvin threatening him which the authorities investigated. When the authorities searched his house, they found notes talking against law and calling Calvin a, get this, hypocrite. He also mocked the Scriptures, ridiculed Christ, and talked of the immortality of the soul as "a simple fairy tale". Sounds like a "nice" little atheistic, threating heretic to me.

[stingoftruth]

so now you believe its ok to execute heretics? get out of the institutes and read your bible, not a study bible, just a regular text bible without any slants on it. nelson makes some wonderful gift and award bibles without any references, just the text, but i warn you, you won't have anyone telling you what the scripture means you'll have to let the scripture and the Holy Ghost be ur guide

[LaneCh]

I read (present tense) the books of the law that Moses wrote. He murdered an Egyptian for disagreeing with a fellow citizen of Moses'. Should I throw those out as well?

[stingoftruth]

and that does not give the right for calvin to murder innocent people

[LaneCh]

stingoftruthsaid: and that does not give the right for calvin to murder ***innocent*** people."

First of all, Servetus wasn't innocent. He was a heretic. Furthermore, Calvin actually tried to get the sentence lessened and pleaded with Servetus before his death to remit his error.

Calvin wrote to Servetus, "I neither hate you nor despise you; nor do I wish to persecute you; but I would be as hard as iron when I behold you insulting sound doctrine with so great audacity."

[stingoftruth]

calvin was rich, had control over geneva, was called the pope of protestantism because of his power and you call him abused? you put calvin in the place of God and servetus in the place of the devil.

[LaneCh]

stingoftruth: "you put calvin in the place of God and servetus in the place of the devil."

Do you believe that the KJV is the only translation of the Bible that is God's word? Just a hunch.

[stingoftruth]

no, i don't..

[stingoftruth]

if calvin was a christian he would have been separate from the world like the bible says to be.. 2 cor. 6:14-18 yes he shares it with all those who claimed to love God but were killing God's people, its no wonder john calvin was called the pope of geneva.. and don't think it was the whole age, it was the catholic church doing most of the persecution in europe, with small pockets from men like calvin or following him here and there. quit tryingto make calvin look innocent or lighten his guilt

[LaneCh]

Calvin was separate from the world. He wrote many Anti-Nicodemite writings instructing others to "come out from among them." Although Moses killed an Egyptian WHICH WAS WRONG, God used Moses in the great way He did.

[stingoftruth]

a black mark on his name? he was a murderer, he never repented.

[LaneCh]

stingoftruth said: "he was a murderer, he never repented."

How do you "know" this? As I am certainly not holding up Calvin to be God, I certainly am not doing the same for you either regardless of your claim to be omniscient.

[stingoftruth]

lol, if you think i'm claiming to be omniscient than you are truly a calvinist, only a calvinist would claim a mortal man is omniscient, the way i know this is because i have read things written by calvin after the execution of servetus

[LaneCh]

Your words say that, not mine.

[LaneCh]

Here's more of Piper to address your question of repentance:

"So it was the very barbarity of the times against the faithful in France that stirred up Calvin to write the first edition of the Institutes.

But it was this same barbarity from which he could not disentangle himself. Michael Servetus was a Spaniard, a medical doctor, a lawyer and a theologian. (cont...)

[LaneCh]

His doctrine of the Trinity was unorthodox -- so much so as to shock both Catholic and Protestant in his day. In 1553 he published his views and was arrested by the Catholics in France. But, alas, he escaped to Geneva. He was arrested there and Calvin argued the case against him. He was sentenced to death. Calvin called for a swift execution, but he was burned at the stake on October 27, 1553. (cont...)

[LaneCh]

This has tarnished Calvin's name so severely that many cannot give his teaching a hearing. But it is not clear that most of us, given that milieu, would not have gone along under the circumstances (see note 66). Melanchthon was the gentle, soft-spoken associate of Martin Luther whom Calvin had met and loved. He wrote to Calvin on the Servetus affair, "I am wholly of your opinion and declare also that your magistrates acted quite justly in condemning the blasphemer to death" (cont...)

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Calvin never held civil office in Geneva but exerted all his influence as a pastor. Yet, in this execution, his hands are as stained with Servetus' blood as David's were with Uriah's.

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Which makes the confessions of Calvin near the end of his life all the more important. On April 25, 1564, a month before his death, he called the magistrates of the city to his room and spoke these words, (cont...)

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Calvin: 'With my whole soul I embrace the mercy which [God] has exercised towards me through Jesus Christ, atoning for my sins with the merits of his death and passion, that in this way he might satisfy for all my crimes and faults, and blot them from his remembrance. . . . I confess I have failed innumerable times to execute my office properly, and had not He, of His boundless goodness, assisted me, all that zeal had been fleeting and vain. . . .' (cont...)

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For all these reasons, I testify and declare that I trust to no other security for my salvation than this, and this only, viz., that as God is the Father of mercy, he will show himself such a Father to me, who acknowledge myself to be a miserable sinner.' (cont...)

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Piper: "T. H. L. Parker said, "he should never have fought the battle of faith with the world's weapons" Whether Calvin came to that conclusion before he died, we don't know. But what we know is that Calvin knew himself a "miserable sinner" whose only hope in view of "all [his] crimes" was the mercy of God and the blood of Jesus. (cont...)

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So the times were harsh and immoral and barbaric, and had a contaminating effect on everyone, just as we are all contaminated today by the evils of our time. Their blind spots and evils may be different from ours. And it may be that the very things they saw clearly are the things we are blind to. It would be foolhardy to say that we would have never done what they did under their circumstances, and thus draw the conclusion that they have nothing to teach us. (cont...)

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In fact, what we probably need to say is that some of our evils are such that we are blind to them, just as they were blind to many of theirs, and the virtues they manifested in those times are the very ones that we probably need in ours. There was in the life and ministry of John Calvin a grand God-centeredness, Bible-allegiance and iron constancy. Under the banner of God's mercy to miserable sinners we would do well to listen and learn." - John Piper

[princersilver]

Glory be to Him who sits on the throne and unto the Lamb... real pastors should preach the doctrines of Grace.. even if it will cost them their lives.. a lot of people will think you are a heretic because you are a calvinist.. but guess what, even Jesus was accused of being a blasphemer.. calvinism is the true gospel.