Check out Paglia's pseudo-intellectual twaddle around 14:00 min in. Anyone who has seen the film/read the book/isn't trying to be clever will see her comments for what they are: baloney.
@rangjungyeshe YES, ABSOLUTELY AGREE 100%. paglia is one of those FEMI NAZIS morons living in an ivory tower of purity and man hating lesbian "goodness" and as such is a COMPLETE FOOL!!!
I think they explain (a bit) why the HAL-9000 goes rogue in "2010".
It had something to do with the fact that he was told to contradict one of his rules by keeping the information about the monolith secret. This would corrupt him, and then would cause him to go ballistic.
My personal theory on why HAL goes rogue - he's hacked into his own sealed memory with the top-secret data on the monoliths. He knows that Discovery is set to make contact with extraterrestrials and believes it should be him as representative of the new and perfect species from Earth, the AI computers, and not the humans, who make contact. He intends to be Earth's representative, so he has to get the humans out of the way. Hence the murders.
@lumpyfishful He knows nothing more about it that what they've discovered so far, but remember that this information is in a secret recording that plays after HAL is "dead". I'm suggesting he knows that.
@belisariusorb FASCINATING, pardon me for borrowing mr spocks expression. I have never really thought of this type of explanation for HAL's behavior. an artificial intelligence becoming cognizant, self aware and fully conscious and it does make something of a full circle with the ape men near the beginning committing the first murder or killing for survival. have you seen the movie 2010 or read the novel associated with the movie?
@belisariusorb Hmm, interesting. Never considered that before but it's definiately got some merit. But then, how does HAL "predicting" the failure of the comms fit into that? If he intended to just outright murder everyone, he had ample opportunities to do so beforehand. As far as I can see, he only becomes hostile once he perceives a threat against himself (Dave and Frank discussing the possibility of disconnecting him). Or maybe that was just the catalyst to something he intended all along?
@enigma19833 Too difficult to say... maybe he always intended to murder everyone, just was waiting until they were so far out that Earth could do nothing
@belisariusorb If you read the book it's fully explained why HAL turned on the human crew.
He was programmed to process information accurately without distortion or omission, but ordered to keep the existence of the Monolith secret from the crew. This caused a feedback based programming conflict called a Hofstadter-Moebius loop that HAL resolved by eliminating the crew and thereby freeing himself of having to feed distorted information to them.
@thetrueprometheus Thanks for that - as I said, I read the book years ago and maybe some of that stuck in my memory, then to be distorted into the idea that the secret mission was at the heart of it, but in a different way.
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AuraQualic 2 months ago
Check out Paglia's pseudo-intellectual twaddle around 14:00 min in. Anyone who has seen the film/read the book/isn't trying to be clever will see her comments for what they are: baloney.
rangjungyeshe 4 months ago
@rangjungyeshe YES, ABSOLUTELY AGREE 100%. paglia is one of those FEMI NAZIS morons living in an ivory tower of purity and man hating lesbian "goodness" and as such is a COMPLETE FOOL!!!
SocratesTheGadfly 4 months ago
@rangjungyeshe
I completely agree. she's just telling a bunch of pretentious bollocks
memol83 3 months ago
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I think they explain (a bit) why the HAL-9000 goes rogue in "2010".
It had something to do with the fact that he was told to contradict one of his rules by keeping the information about the monolith secret. This would corrupt him, and then would cause him to go ballistic.
Watch 2010, you'll get to that scene :D
Jarren95 5 months ago
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Jarren95 5 months ago
My personal theory on why HAL goes rogue - he's hacked into his own sealed memory with the top-secret data on the monoliths. He knows that Discovery is set to make contact with extraterrestrials and believes it should be him as representative of the new and perfect species from Earth, the AI computers, and not the humans, who make contact. He intends to be Earth's representative, so he has to get the humans out of the way. Hence the murders.
belisariusorb 8 months ago 8
@belisariusorb how would he get the information from the monolith?
lumpyfishful 7 months ago
@lumpyfishful He knows nothing more about it that what they've discovered so far, but remember that this information is in a secret recording that plays after HAL is "dead". I'm suggesting he knows that.
belisariusorb 7 months ago
@belisariusorb oh ok.makes sense
lumpyfishful 7 months ago
@belisariusorb FASCINATING, pardon me for borrowing mr spocks expression. I have never really thought of this type of explanation for HAL's behavior. an artificial intelligence becoming cognizant, self aware and fully conscious and it does make something of a full circle with the ape men near the beginning committing the first murder or killing for survival. have you seen the movie 2010 or read the novel associated with the movie?
SocratesTheGadfly 4 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly Yeah, I read it years ago, but I can't really remember it. Thanks for your comments
belisariusorb 3 months ago
@belisariusorb Hmm, interesting. Never considered that before but it's definiately got some merit. But then, how does HAL "predicting" the failure of the comms fit into that? If he intended to just outright murder everyone, he had ample opportunities to do so beforehand. As far as I can see, he only becomes hostile once he perceives a threat against himself (Dave and Frank discussing the possibility of disconnecting him). Or maybe that was just the catalyst to something he intended all along?
enigma19833 3 months ago
@enigma19833 Too difficult to say... maybe he always intended to murder everyone, just was waiting until they were so far out that Earth could do nothing
belisariusorb 3 months ago
@belisariusorb If you read the book it's fully explained why HAL turned on the human crew.
He was programmed to process information accurately without distortion or omission, but ordered to keep the existence of the Monolith secret from the crew. This caused a feedback based programming conflict called a Hofstadter-Moebius loop that HAL resolved by eliminating the crew and thereby freeing himself of having to feed distorted information to them.
thetrueprometheus 3 months ago
@thetrueprometheus Thanks for that - as I said, I read the book years ago and maybe some of that stuck in my memory, then to be distorted into the idea that the secret mission was at the heart of it, but in a different way.
belisariusorb 3 months ago