ok everybody you cant judge on the technique of her fencing yes its not the best technique theres some flaws everyone has there own style her parees are to wide any good fencer can get around that and score a touch
Isnt that a bind rather than an envelopment? An envelopment is in the same line with just using the wrist or the fingers, using the forte to dominate on the way in to the hit. Theres nothing 'too' incorrect with the move demonstrated except that the forte is needed to control the opponents blade, otherwise the opponent could easily derobe or disengage the blade.
There is nothing more annoying than competitive fencers boasting about what they supposedly "know". They go on and on about everything that you're doing wrong and what they're doing right even though you might be the more experienced fencer of the two, or even a coach for that matter. And for those of you who are commenting on the lack of gloves and masks in this video, it is perfectly OK to not use both if you are practicing, and most importantly being smart.
She is fencing like a total imbecile, a Question to the "Master": Why is the epee`s handle not attached to your hand? Did you ever won someone? except the wall? seriously people, if thats how you will fence, Don`t expect to win, absolutley not..
This is not correct, the envelopment if it starts in the line of six would stay in that line, she's ending with an extension in the line of seven it looks like with a bind from the line of six to seven, and she's doing the envelopment with a straight arm and without using the leverage of the strong of her blade, another poorly taught fencer.
This is not correct, the envelopment if it starts in the line of six would stay in that line, she's ending with an extension in the line of seven it looks like, and she's doing the envelopment with a straight arm and without using the leverage of the strong of her blade, another poorly taught fencer.
I presume most fencers are aware of the mechanism of a 'ceding parry'. Unfortunately some can become obvious victims, if they do not know of this movement, or at which point one can take control of the blade away from one's adversary. An attempt to bind one's blade can, with a ceding parry, switch the 'upper hand' from one competitor to the other, & drawing one's opponent into the blade binding movement can allow you to turn the tables on them with a ceding parry. Just a footnote 4 the curious.
god i cant stand it when my blade gets krroked in the middle, it screws up my whole dual not to mention i fence saber where a bent blade doesnt matter it still is a massive OCD thing for me, also id like to point out that she better be pretty confident onhow good she is to not be wearing a mask
Many top female Epee fencers use the french grip (however, they hold it at the last four inches in order to extend reach - world cup videos and those in the top 50 I fenced used this).
However, as her second 'faster' shows, when her opponents blade is actually through the entire knee and thigh of her, she is a) chancing an accidental point by impaling herself or b) face a longer armed fencer who who raise the arm and let her momentum hit the opponents tip at about elbow or head.
no tienes ni pta idea, menuda tecnica, el envolvinento se hace con la muñeca no con el brazo y en progresion hacia adelante no con el brazo estirado, menudo fondo, joder si esa es esgrimista.... da pena
@Sykermeetikko - yes, I have never used the french grip either, however I feel that she is doing this because she knows how to use a machine gun, sort of an M16 or M60... and she thinks like "whatever, a weapon is a weapon... right?" God Bless America.
c' est d'une nullité affligeante !!! L'enveloppement se fait par la rotation du poignet et pas du bras : l' adversaire a 10 fois l'occasion de la toucher... Je ne parle même pas du manque de sécurité....
First of all: Why are they working without gloves? And why isn't she wearing a mask? It's an important safety rule. I can overlook the second issue due to demonstration purposes but not wearing gloves is really dangerous.
Secondly:
The action is pretty useless.
She should try this against a lefthanded fencer like me. I could easily hit her arm/hand or leg with a simple feint
@pureindian407 Well first it would really hurt if you got hit in the hand! But more importantly, without a glove, your opponent's blade can slide down your arm and hit you in the armpit. We wear underarm protectors in case this happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are violating other safety measures while making this video. If a blade breaks and slides down your arm and you aren't wearing an underarm protector, the broken blade can kill you. This is of course worst case scenario.
ok seriously her form is horrible and not to mention if anyone was ever to do a circley thingy like that horrible thing she just did it would be the fastest bout of the time all you have to do is a simple disengage like you learn in foil and stick your arm out and hit her!!!
"un círculo completo"???? forget it. Not a good idea at all. Why? First, your opponent will withdraw his/her epee 2 cms and you are dead in the arm before you know what happend Second, your opponent will move one step ahead towards you before you have made 1/4th of the cricle. And I could go on... Sorry for my english...
No no no. This technique is horrible. You will be BURNED in a competition doing what she shows.
Doing what she does would lead to being parried. She attempts to use the outer part of her blade to take control of her opponents inner part of the blade... Her opponent could easily have turned the move against her.
You don't parry with the outer part of the blade! Perhaps women do... :X
@KingAsmodeus I find it problematic that you make the comment about women, but I agree it seems like what she does would leave her quite vulnerable to be parried herself.
I believe this woman may be a fraud. The technique she uses in her attacks are flat out incorrect. I cannot believe that she received formal training because her form is still in the beginner stages. Watch her other videos, in her attacks, her body moves first - but, in fencing the body FOLLOWS blade extention - that's lesson one.
Also, this woman is not listed has having competed in any USFA sanctioned fencing events. So, who is she, and why is she portraying herself as an expert?
Well I'm not going to say that the US fencers are horrible but they aren't very good. You can't learn anything useful from these videos.
The grip on the "teacher's" épée here (which is a french grip) is not a good choice. You can easily disarm people with that grip with a simple so called "Battuta" which is a swipe to the middle of the enemies blade. The pistol grip is much more common =)
I know that some of the top fencers use the french grip. The French team ofcourse...but the pistol grip is more common. If you can't disarm the enemy with a Battuta it is very annoying at least! Because it's exhausting to hold the weapon while somebody is constantly slapping the blade ;)
Rapiers (Standard fencing sword, for those who don't know...) are meant to be flexible. Sportswise, they don't cause as much harm in sparring. Combatwise, they absorb attacks easier if they are.
It's not a parry. A parry is a defensive action. Taking of the blade is used offensively.
Besides, I don't think she meant to neglect point control. She's probably exaggerating the movements since it's kind of hard to observe her movements in a video.
Yes, her blade control is bad, but you could have just commented without using any vulgar words. And about the hand up, the left hand can go wherever it pleases as long as it is not used to parry the blade.
By the way, parry is when you defend not when you attack.
do like the fact that in the related videos box is one on how to shave your legs...how wonderfully bizzare and unrelated to fencing, although it would be a better rule than pacivity....mind you having a rule stating you had to re build the british empire on a space hopper mid fight would be a better rule than pacivity...i dont like pacivity...i do like tangents...can you tell
im admittedly abit ignorant in regards to the katana but epees and foils are competition weapons developed from rapiers so from what little i know id say the rapier would win through superior speed and reach, and i really dont see how u could cut our rapier in half, it may be thin but thats what the bendiness is for
all this debate over katana beating epees/foils and kendo vs. fencing is stupid its like comparing apples and oranges the point to fencing was dueling to first blood...the point to japanese sword arts was to cut yoru oponent down in 1 maybe 2 strokes .. i practice epee fencing kendo and Iaido and really comparing weapons and arts is dumb
As far as facing a katana is concerned, our samurai friend would get run through before being able to strike a blow. In the alternative, the epeeist could pick off the wrists, which aren't protected by a guard. If you had a guy with a katana and armour, that is a different story.
Epee fencing is representative of a duel to first blood. A duel to the death would involve a hybrid of epee and foil techniques. The sport sabre is a useless toy.
I'd recommend making that last point in any Mensur. It would be fun to watch. The foil develeped from the small sword, an often fatal weapon, the epee from rapier ideologies (amongst others). The weapons themselves matter little, its the people holding them, and the situations. the epee' as it is now was utilised in some affairs of honour, to deadly effect.
In my relatively short career on the varsity fencing circuit, I developed something of a signature move similar to this. The difference is that I enveloped an attacker's blade clockwise, close out the line in septime, and then strike at the lead knee. It even worked on the Canadian Olympic alternate (ie. number 4 in the country).
I am starting to hate expert village, amateur village would suit them better. It's the worst demonstration of an enveloppement that I have ever seen. First of all, any taking of the blade should be done on a arm in full extention or beginning to extend. Changing your position in range is silly at best.
Shut up Yazzarh, how sad are you if all you can do is sit in front of your computer and criticise this girl on everything she says. You're just jealous cos she's probably better than you. I would love to fence you saber or epee; then you can lecture me on beat attacks while I kick your skinny ass.
I'm not criticising what this girl is saying you idiot. I'm criticising what others have said about what the rules of epee, sabre, and foil are.
Having fenced at a national standard (Australia), yes, I will say that I am better than this girl.
And yes lol, I reckon I'd be better than you as well, you fool.
But of course - if you ever did fence me, as a final point of interest, you wouldn't be doing any beat attacks on me if we were fencing epee, because they don't exist.
Ah ok, no problems. My apologies for being rude also. But please don't assume in future.
And of course - you would thrash me if you had a katana, no matter what I was wearing and no matter what fencing weapon i was wielding. Katanas are 2-handed, and sharpened. Fencing blades are not :P
But I will say, without a katan, no matter if you had 10 years of martial arts under your belt, you would be sliced up by me.
ok im bout 15 and do u think its too late to start taking begining lesson?????? because im worried i'll be in a 16 yearold class and find im the only one that sux or is just startin... plz give me some advice
okay so how long has this person has been fencing? If they have been fencing for even a year at my club they would know how your are suspose to dress when you fence. No long socks, no glove, no mask. What were you thinking?!?!
actually I think it looks pretty good, the focus was on the movement of taking the blade, and she did say that you had to keep controlling her blade, likewise I don't think it would matter if the opponent could do a double to the knee, cause her blade has already achieved contact with the opponent.
I get what you're saying, but there are still things I have issue with. For starters no experienced coach worth their salt would stand like that, regardless of doing bladework or not. Second the movement is far too big, even for a demo. Third she move her opponents point across her own target. A big no no. Lastly, and most importantly, she isn't in control of her opponents blade, cos she hasn't bound it to the guard. That's a very basic aspect of taking the blade (at least classically).
I can't see it, maybe I would see it in contrast to someone you'll consider to do it correctly, I think if there is anything it might be because she has to consider talking to the camera as well. continued-
I mean this is Amy Boyle, and she's has been doing fencing for eleven years (so I've read at least) and trained in varies other sword styles. perhaps it is because she does mostly choreographing for films and theater, and this could have ruined her style, but it just seems so unlikely, she even uses the old grip, rather than the more modern pistol grip.
ahm... en este caso creo q un atake asi nos erviría mucho ya q al hacer el circulo completo se perdería mucho tiempo pudiendo el otro hacer un simple cambio y atakar, sin embargo creo q si se hace un cambio simple por arriba se ahorraría much tiemo y se podría hacer un atake aunke yo preferiría tocar al brazo n_n yperdon por comentar en español jejeje
ya but if ur opponent just keeps their wrist loose and moves around your sword, this doesn't work. i used to do this all the time as a beginner, and it worked on other beginners, but when i fenced experienced fencers, it didn't work at all.
who are you? the moves are big and slow so people can see exactly what they are doing . maybe you should shut your mouth. Youre probably the same person who would watch a martial arts demo and complain that noone would be ably to do those moves in a real fight not realizing that a demo and a fight are two different things . get off your high horse
obviously the circle described in the "real" movement is smaller and quicker, but i suposse that for educational purposes she makes it wider and slower
Hey man, thanks for the clip from Greece - very nice.Brings back some sweet memories. Use to fence ( shpaga, za Dinamo, like 20 yrs. ago) Are u back in Minsk or teaching stateside> chto takoi zloy ? :)
I would love to fence this person. Parries with your whole arm are incredibly easy to disengage (or avoid for those who don't know fencing terminology). All one has to do to avoid this 'envelopment' or 'taking of the blade' is drop their tip slightly, only to raise it back and extend for a single touch.
To use your whole arm to 'take the blade' is not very efficient at all. All from the finger tips baby :)
Everywhere is pointing area in the SCA. Still it's different then what i'm used to seeing. NO colorful fun garb it's all white. Fencing isn't just a sport after awhile it becomes a life style! German positions are fun in fencing. Great vid but its different. remember to keep your knees bent!
Uhh....guys...there ARE no parries in epee. Sure, in foil and sabre there are - but in epee, although you can do the same moves which might be called parries in foil or sabre, they're not *actually* parries in terms of epee. Priority is the one and only reason why parries are parries - they indicate a change in whose attack it is, but in epee, where there is no priority, parries do nothing for the defender besides from keeping the blade away.
even if correct your point would be pedantic. but in any case it is not.
a parry is simply deflecting an attack. it has nothing to do with priority in foil or sabre. it is perfectly possible to parry with no attempt to attack whatsoever. therefore "attack in opposition" would be completely inappropriate.
hungarian, german, russian epeeists use parries all the time. french and cuban fencers more often use attacks in opposition and rarely parry.
The point of a parry is that it indicates a change in priority. One of the reasons why if you score a hit with a modern box the point automatically shows up, is that there is no change of parry in epee. Epee bouts are virtually not even presided - the points take care of themselves. Thus, no parries exist in epee.
And those are huge sweeping generalisations in the last part of your post.
no definition anywhere states parrying is dependent on priority. ALL deflections of an attack are parries, but NOT all parries are AIO. It is simply wrong to refer to a classical parry with no attempt at a riposte as an AIO.
My generalisations come from 2 yrs with the French jnr team, 1year in Leverkusen wth some of the German team, training with the Cubans, and several years as a coach and WC epeeist.
Umm, yes, parrying has EVERYTHING to do with priority. You've obviously never fenced foil before.
Okay. Let's say that priority does not exist for a second, and we're fencing foil. I come forward, and hit my opponents blade out of the way. How on earth are you meant to know whether or not that hit is my beat attack or my parry if priority doesn't exist?
Thus, in epee, where there is no priority, THERE IS NO PARRYING, NOR MOVES OF ANY KIND.
Sorry there are parries in epee they just don't effect right of way or priority. Please find a foilist video to comment on. The focus here is epee. As an epeeist please tell me what my deflection of your thrust is called if it is not a parry. A whack maybe?
1) There are no parries in epee, because there IS no right of way/priority. It's not that there are parries and they don't affect it, it's that there IS no right of way which causes there to be no priority.
I can say this from being far more experienced in epee than in foil, and having fenced all 3 olympic weapons.
No, for epee, all you have are attacks, deflections, and attacks with opposition.
Wou can do the exact same moves in epee that you might do in foil or sabre, but they're not called that in epee - they're simply called an attack, or a failed attack (and an 'attack' can further be broken down by the ones mentioned above, whilst a failed attack is either a miss or a deflection).
someone on the comment list said there are no such thing as parries or beat attacks in epee, what on earth are you chatting about?
beat the blade attack, hit to hand...you beat then attack! hense beat attack
and the function of a parry is not purly to change right of way its to stop your opponent hitting you!
and as for the attack in the video dont do it! youll just get a mighty bruise as someone dis-engages steps back and lets you walk onto their point, it will hurt! and youll look very daft
That's the EXACT sort of thing that I've been trying to to say here, but no-one's bothered to listen to what I've said.
I'm not saying that you CAN'T or that it's IMPOSSIBLE to make a PARRYING MOTION in epee - what I'm saying is that THE MOTION IS NOT CALLED A PARRY. Because PARRIES DO NOT EXIST IN EPEE.
Any 'parrying move' that is acted upon in epee is called an 'attack with opposition', whilst - as you yourself correctly say - a parrying motion by itself could simply be called a 'block'.
Or rather - even then, they're not necessarily called 'blocks'. In my expriences with fencing, they aren't called anything, and aren't given any names whatsoever - and this emphasises my point that the concept of a 'parry' does not exist in epee.
in my exstensive experience of epee they really are called parries. thats why when you go to an international competition all the national coaches shout at their fencers stop "parrying when you dont need to"
and an attack with opposition is called taking the blade, as in take the blade in ceist then attack its not a parry
In epee, it's not called a beat attack. Sure, the TECHNIQUE may be STYLED in the form of a beat attack, but being exactly techincal, the move is nothing. It is simply an attack.
...in all seriousness now, that's effectively correct. Whilst I can see the joke in your comment, it is actually mostly correct.
Basically nothing in epee is named - the only things that are are the 2 main types of attacks - an attack (normal attack), and an attack with opposition (a riposte following a parry).
Besides from those two names, yeah...there's nothing else.
i dont agree with the its just called a block thing is but whatever... this made me giggle, i now have an image of my coach shouting down the peist at me "when she does that mystery, do that thing without a name and then whatever you do dont parry as it doesnt exist!!"
i should be able to like this more than onece for the fact i now look insaine laughing to myself :D
By Katana I actually meant an Iaito, which is a blunted version. After experience in both Fencing and Ken Jitsu, I can safely say that Katana techniques are far more effective than the Epee.I didn't mean I would win simply because I could cut your sword in half! I think there's a video somewhere on Youtube that demonstrates my point lol
Well, katana techniques are MEANT to be more effective.
Truth be told, in REAL sword fighting, I don't really think that the techinques which we get taught in fencing would really help all too much. And reality is - katanas are killing weapons. Fencing weapons aren't (at least, at the moment they arent'). Theyare 2-handed and much more effective at doing anything that an epee can do, except for maybe in terms of reach.
i am astounded by the lack of knowledge people have of this sport. And yes it is regulation to be bent a max 1 cm downward but nobody really cares or checks if its more
Everyone, good fencing is about learning, so instead of writing a nasty comment, either sit back and maybe learn something, or just turn it off.
bigbearjb4 4 months ago
Why does she move her entire arm to parry? You only need to use the wrist.
Needham90 5 months ago
how long is the epee
743magma 6 months ago
flaws of the form:
1: She moves the point across her body twice in her parry attempt(there is a risk of pocketing the point on herself as she does.)
2: Her parry is wide and uses the division between the forte and the debole, (turns the maneuver into a contest of strength.)
3: the parry requires her point to leave her target before returning to it.
4: she does not make use of her reach making her point easy to circumnavigate.
timusthedragon 6 months ago
ok everybody you cant judge on the technique of her fencing yes its not the best technique theres some flaws everyone has there own style her parees are to wide any good fencer can get around that and score a touch
TheSkateboardnerd 6 months ago
Counter six, you lose... Now get off the floor, buy/put on the proper equipment and learn to fence.
lordsprouts 7 months ago
LMAO, learn to hold your blade before giving advice. holding the blade upside down when u attack???, who coached you?
Afencing31 7 months ago
The worst part is that the "instructor" is holding her weapon upside-down.
riflepoet 7 months ago
Isnt that a bind rather than an envelopment? An envelopment is in the same line with just using the wrist or the fingers, using the forte to dominate on the way in to the hit. Theres nothing 'too' incorrect with the move demonstrated except that the forte is needed to control the opponents blade, otherwise the opponent could easily derobe or disengage the blade.
muresug 8 months ago
OMG! ALL THESE ARE RUBBISH!
kkosmask 8 months ago
Wow that looks like a very effective move!
(Against someone who is standing still as a statue and not reacting at all.)
bladesofgreed 8 months ago
why is she using her arm to envelope ? you use your finger in a tight circle.
00Dynames 8 months ago
as a fencing instructor she's considered hot
H770907 9 months ago 2
There is nothing more annoying than competitive fencers boasting about what they supposedly "know". They go on and on about everything that you're doing wrong and what they're doing right even though you might be the more experienced fencer of the two, or even a coach for that matter. And for those of you who are commenting on the lack of gloves and masks in this video, it is perfectly OK to not use both if you are practicing, and most importantly being smart.
bigbearjb4 9 months ago
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bigbearjb4 9 months ago 2
She is fencing like a total imbecile, a Question to the "Master": Why is the epee`s handle not attached to your hand? Did you ever won someone? except the wall? seriously people, if thats how you will fence, Don`t expect to win, absolutley not..
akithesniper 11 months ago
This is not correct, the envelopment if it starts in the line of six would stay in that line, she's ending with an extension in the line of seven it looks like with a bind from the line of six to seven, and she's doing the envelopment with a straight arm and without using the leverage of the strong of her blade, another poorly taught fencer.
benjaminkorn 1 year ago
This is not correct, the envelopment if it starts in the line of six would stay in that line, she's ending with an extension in the line of seven it looks like, and she's doing the envelopment with a straight arm and without using the leverage of the strong of her blade, another poorly taught fencer.
benjaminkorn 1 year ago
I presume most fencers are aware of the mechanism of a 'ceding parry'. Unfortunately some can become obvious victims, if they do not know of this movement, or at which point one can take control of the blade away from one's adversary. An attempt to bind one's blade can, with a ceding parry, switch the 'upper hand' from one competitor to the other, & drawing one's opponent into the blade binding movement can allow you to turn the tables on them with a ceding parry. Just a footnote 4 the curious.
slessorpr 1 year ago
god i cant stand it when my blade gets krroked in the middle, it screws up my whole dual not to mention i fence saber where a bent blade doesnt matter it still is a massive OCD thing for me, also id like to point out that she better be pretty confident onhow good she is to not be wearing a mask
LiVeskater1414 1 year ago
You are really brave! You have a LOT to LEARN!!!!
ederrit 1 year ago
You have to learn a LOT!!!
ederrit 1 year ago
Oh dear.
Hendar23 1 year ago
awww they're filming at bhfc
camillegal1992 1 year ago
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tooty1337 1 year ago
Many top female Epee fencers use the french grip (however, they hold it at the last four inches in order to extend reach - world cup videos and those in the top 50 I fenced used this).
However, as her second 'faster' shows, when her opponents blade is actually through the entire knee and thigh of her, she is a) chancing an accidental point by impaling herself or b) face a longer armed fencer who who raise the arm and let her momentum hit the opponents tip at about elbow or head.
mpshiel 1 year ago
The "envelpment? That's called a PARRY!!!
powerofthecube 1 year ago
her form is terrible
ChristheDrummer3 1 year ago
no tienes ni pta idea, menuda tecnica, el envolvinento se hace con la muñeca no con el brazo y en progresion hacia adelante no con el brazo estirado, menudo fondo, joder si esa es esgrimista.... da pena
meca0ndi0x 1 year ago
Well, this isn't the italian style of fencing.
fellinian 1 year ago
@fellinian - neither in Spain. Maybe in another galaxy.
caviper1 1 year ago
thats right kingasmodeus
merekandgavin56789 1 year ago
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ShadowScarab 1 year ago
Umm. Ok, I don't use a french grip myself, but why in hell is she moving the blade with her elbow/shoulder instead of her fingers/wrist?
Sykermeetikko 1 year ago 2
@Sykermeetikko - yes, I have never used the french grip either, however I feel that she is doing this because she knows how to use a machine gun, sort of an M16 or M60... and she thinks like "whatever, a weapon is a weapon... right?" God Bless America.
caviper1 1 year ago
c' est d'une nullité affligeante !!! L'enveloppement se fait par la rotation du poignet et pas du bras : l' adversaire a 10 fois l'occasion de la toucher... Je ne parle même pas du manque de sécurité....
Imladir59 1 year ago
that was CRAP APSOULUTE CRAP !
superwhamy 1 year ago
I agree
fearlessfencer 1 year ago
shes terrible
funayso 1 year ago
@funayso HAhahah while i was watching this i was asking myself if she's serious..
kkosmask 1 year ago
retreat
flèche on arm
kill
Rinti2000 2 years ago
wow she sucks that would never work trying to move the opponents blade using weak on strong. a proper parry 6 will do the trick but not this
MrHamstertoes 2 years ago
I agree: this woman may in fact be a tranny. Potato salad, corporal!
76waystofly 2 years ago
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76waystofly 2 years ago
First of all: Why are they working without gloves? And why isn't she wearing a mask? It's an important safety rule. I can overlook the second issue due to demonstration purposes but not wearing gloves is really dangerous.
Secondly:
The action is pretty useless.
She should try this against a lefthanded fencer like me. I could easily hit her arm/hand or leg with a simple feint
LtRealness 2 years ago 10
I totally agree...
Wolfman92111 2 years ago
@LtRealness just curious, what could happen b/c she's not wearing a glove?
pureindian407 11 months ago
@pureindian407 Well first it would really hurt if you got hit in the hand! But more importantly, without a glove, your opponent's blade can slide down your arm and hit you in the armpit. We wear underarm protectors in case this happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are violating other safety measures while making this video. If a blade breaks and slides down your arm and you aren't wearing an underarm protector, the broken blade can kill you. This is of course worst case scenario.
katnisshawthorne 11 months ago
@katnisshawthorne oh yeah, i forgot about the sleeve. yeah, thts why the glove goes over the sleeve's cuff
pureindian407 9 months ago
@LtRealness Leftie fencers rock.
elecsexation 9 months ago
@LtRealness Lol left-handed fencer here too! Its funny in my club before it close down. 3 left-handers 1 right hander. what do u make of that?
StarKnightZ 8 months ago
ok seriously her form is horrible and not to mention if anyone was ever to do a circley thingy like that horrible thing she just did it would be the fastest bout of the time all you have to do is a simple disengage like you learn in foil and stick your arm out and hit her!!!
nerdywakeboarder 2 years ago
Takes Blade in Sixte, ends in Septime. This is a bind, not envelopment. Nice Salle though.
JSlimmer 2 years ago
"un círculo completo"???? forget it. Not a good idea at all. Why? First, your opponent will withdraw his/her epee 2 cms and you are dead in the arm before you know what happend Second, your opponent will move one step ahead towards you before you have made 1/4th of the cricle. And I could go on... Sorry for my english...
caviper1 2 years ago
No no no. This technique is horrible. You will be BURNED in a competition doing what she shows.
Doing what she does would lead to being parried. She attempts to use the outer part of her blade to take control of her opponents inner part of the blade... Her opponent could easily have turned the move against her.
You don't parry with the outer part of the blade! Perhaps women do... :X
KingAsmodeus 2 years ago 18
@KingAsmodeus "perhaps women do" ?!! You're an idiot. What does being a woman have to do with being able to parry right or wrong?
riflepoet 1 year ago 2
@KingAsmodeus I find it problematic that you make the comment about women, but I agree it seems like what she does would leave her quite vulnerable to be parried herself.
mjjzf 1 year ago 2
@KingAsmodeus that's why Americans never make it very far as fencers
TheIrregularVerb 1 year ago
@KingAsmodeus Yes, when she takes the blade the hands end spined and the touch is in the leg, WTF??, she dont now the fencing, is an asshole
UrbanEnemie 8 months ago
I believe this woman may be a fraud. The technique she uses in her attacks are flat out incorrect. I cannot believe that she received formal training because her form is still in the beginner stages. Watch her other videos, in her attacks, her body moves first - but, in fencing the body FOLLOWS blade extention - that's lesson one.
Also, this woman is not listed has having competed in any USFA sanctioned fencing events. So, who is she, and why is she portraying herself as an expert?
aspect30a 2 years ago 4
No real fencers would come forward and do this kind of online education programs, unless you are willing to.
liebstandarteadolf 2 years ago
Well I'm not going to say that the US fencers are horrible but they aren't very good. You can't learn anything useful from these videos.
The grip on the "teacher's" épée here (which is a french grip) is not a good choice. You can easily disarm people with that grip with a simple so called "Battuta" which is a swipe to the middle of the enemies blade. The pistol grip is much more common =)
LtRealness 2 years ago
@LtRealness
The French grip is not a good choice?? What an idiotic comment. Some of the top fencers in the world use a French grip.
You must be exclusively fencing against beginners if you think disarming someone using a French grip is "easy".
rockethearse 2 years ago
I know that some of the top fencers use the french grip. The French team ofcourse...but the pistol grip is more common. If you can't disarm the enemy with a Battuta it is very annoying at least! Because it's exhausting to hold the weapon while somebody is constantly slapping the blade ;)
LtRealness 2 years ago
last time i cheacked those where called paries
ilovemymusic15 2 years ago
no a parry is what you do to stop an attack, a repost is the continuation of a parry to an attack.
theSolarisDragon 2 years ago
i kno tht alredy
ilovemymusic15 2 years ago
I agree with Neale88.
Rapiers (Standard fencing sword, for those who don't know...) are meant to be flexible. Sportswise, they don't cause as much harm in sparring. Combatwise, they absorb attacks easier if they are.
Kxixx 2 years ago
Geez, ThelisMD, cool off.
CHBrown01a 2 years ago
It's not a parry. A parry is a defensive action. Taking of the blade is used offensively.
Besides, I don't think she meant to neglect point control. She's probably exaggerating the movements since it's kind of hard to observe her movements in a video.
striderdaze 2 years ago
Wow. This was my laugh of the day.
PrettyMuchABigDeal 2 years ago
In conclusion, quit.
ThelisMD 2 years ago
Yes, her blade control is bad, but you could have just commented without using any vulgar words. And about the hand up, the left hand can go wherever it pleases as long as it is not used to parry the blade.
By the way, parry is when you defend not when you attack.
Anyway, yes, you could have made a better video.
Phireo
Phireo 2 years ago
actuley your left hand shd be like back of u not where it plezses to go
ilovemymusic15 2 years ago
shouldn't the movement be done with the wrist not the shoulder?
dandanep 2 years ago
But you have hardly any leverage if you take the blade with your arm straight!
FifiLeStab 2 years ago
Attacking in epee without taking the opponents blade is such a charming way to commit suicide.
TheMintCake 2 years ago
Epeeists rarely take the blade, so her opening comment is wrong.
GMProducer 2 years ago
if that is he way she do it, then she's dead meat
littlejapan3 2 years ago
dispaying or not she should have her helmet on
raist0479 2 years ago
A fencing mask would be even better :p
Hendar23 2 years ago
do like the fact that in the related videos box is one on how to shave your legs...how wonderfully bizzare and unrelated to fencing, although it would be a better rule than pacivity....mind you having a rule stating you had to re build the british empire on a space hopper mid fight would be a better rule than pacivity...i dont like pacivity...i do like tangents...can you tell
TheFencingPanda 2 years ago 2
expertvillage:
why do you turn your epeé upside down, when you finish the envelopment? isn't that a waste of time in the attack?
thanks!
gale991 2 years ago
I think its only because she's using a french grip, with a pistol grip it would be going out of your way to turn the blade upside down.
zyxonm 2 years ago
im admittedly abit ignorant in regards to the katana but epees and foils are competition weapons developed from rapiers so from what little i know id say the rapier would win through superior speed and reach, and i really dont see how u could cut our rapier in half, it may be thin but thats what the bendiness is for
bobmegee 2 years ago
all this debate over katana beating epees/foils and kendo vs. fencing is stupid its like comparing apples and oranges the point to fencing was dueling to first blood...the point to japanese sword arts was to cut yoru oponent down in 1 maybe 2 strokes .. i practice epee fencing kendo and Iaido and really comparing weapons and arts is dumb
raist0479 2 years ago
a sabre is not a uesless toy, it comes from a cavalry horse back sword
markwadsley 2 years ago
she cute. i wouldn't mind subscribing, but there's no way to subscribe specifically to the fencing lessons
machinegunface 2 years ago
How stupid are u guys
Katana- Weapon (For killign people)
Epee- Sport Weapon (for scoring points with)
The two arent really comparable
wassthe 2 years ago
uh, this is fencing. Save your sino-phile crap for tentacle porn discussion boards.
hyppolitoocho 2 years ago
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katana=pwnage. Do not argue with me. I doubt you have any experience with a samurai weapon of any type so just don't.
Nutkin57 2 years ago
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uh, this is fencing. Save your sino-phile crap for tentacle porn discussion boards.
hyppolitoocho 2 years ago
Katanas are not the best blades, but they are the most artistic.
VideoCatFreak 2 years ago
That is debatable as well, of course.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 2 years ago
As far as facing a katana is concerned, our samurai friend would get run through before being able to strike a blow. In the alternative, the epeeist could pick off the wrists, which aren't protected by a guard. If you had a guy with a katana and armour, that is a different story.
Epee fencing is representative of a duel to first blood. A duel to the death would involve a hybrid of epee and foil techniques. The sport sabre is a useless toy.
66Scorpio 2 years ago 3
I'd recommend making that last point in any Mensur. It would be fun to watch. The foil develeped from the small sword, an often fatal weapon, the epee from rapier ideologies (amongst others). The weapons themselves matter little, its the people holding them, and the situations. the epee' as it is now was utilised in some affairs of honour, to deadly effect.
Eladriell 2 years ago
In my relatively short career on the varsity fencing circuit, I developed something of a signature move similar to this. The difference is that I enveloped an attacker's blade clockwise, close out the line in septime, and then strike at the lead knee. It even worked on the Canadian Olympic alternate (ie. number 4 in the country).
66Scorpio 2 years ago
I am starting to hate expert village, amateur village would suit them better. It's the worst demonstration of an enveloppement that I have ever seen. First of all, any taking of the blade should be done on a arm in full extention or beginning to extend. Changing your position in range is silly at best.
Keledhros 2 years ago
Shut up Yazzarh, how sad are you if all you can do is sit in front of your computer and criticise this girl on everything she says. You're just jealous cos she's probably better than you. I would love to fence you saber or epee; then you can lecture me on beat attacks while I kick your skinny ass.
Nutkin57 2 years ago
I'm not criticising what this girl is saying you idiot. I'm criticising what others have said about what the rules of epee, sabre, and foil are.
Having fenced at a national standard (Australia), yes, I will say that I am better than this girl.
And yes lol, I reckon I'd be better than you as well, you fool.
But of course - if you ever did fence me, as a final point of interest, you wouldn't be doing any beat attacks on me if we were fencing epee, because they don't exist.
Yazzarh 2 years ago
Ok I appologise for being rude, I was having one of those days. To be honest I didn't even watch the whole video.
Although if it was you with an Epee vs me with a Katana my 10 years of studying various martial arts would pay off.Touche.
Nutkin57 2 years ago
Ah ok, no problems. My apologies for being rude also. But please don't assume in future.
And of course - you would thrash me if you had a katana, no matter what I was wearing and no matter what fencing weapon i was wielding. Katanas are 2-handed, and sharpened. Fencing blades are not :P
But I will say, without a katan, no matter if you had 10 years of martial arts under your belt, you would be sliced up by me.
Touche!
Yazzarh 2 years ago
ok im bout 15 and do u think its too late to start taking begining lesson?????? because im worried i'll be in a 16 yearold class and find im the only one that sux or is just startin... plz give me some advice
bubblebaby6 3 years ago
look at 0:40
the attacker is NOT in the control.
if you do this, you will lose.
at least if your opponent is not retarded.
antistorz 3 years ago
cool, I can do this attack now. Thanks! :D
Matildafencing 3 years ago
okay so how long has this person has been fencing? If they have been fencing for even a year at my club they would know how your are suspose to dress when you fence. No long socks, no glove, no mask. What were you thinking?!?!
Bahari93 3 years ago
all u need to do is retreat to get out of that. plus a bind would work just as well only u'd hit the arm which is a waaaay better target
ChristheDrummer3 3 years ago
fail...epic fail
ChristheDrummer3 3 years ago
actually I think it looks pretty good, the focus was on the movement of taking the blade, and she did say that you had to keep controlling her blade, likewise I don't think it would matter if the opponent could do a double to the knee, cause her blade has already achieved contact with the opponent.
DayDark87 3 years ago
I get what you're saying, but there are still things I have issue with. For starters no experienced coach worth their salt would stand like that, regardless of doing bladework or not. Second the movement is far too big, even for a demo. Third she move her opponents point across her own target. A big no no. Lastly, and most importantly, she isn't in control of her opponents blade, cos she hasn't bound it to the guard. That's a very basic aspect of taking the blade (at least classically).
fergalmartin 3 years ago
I can't see it, maybe I would see it in contrast to someone you'll consider to do it correctly, I think if there is anything it might be because she has to consider talking to the camera as well. continued-
DayDark87 3 years ago
I mean this is Amy Boyle, and she's has been doing fencing for eleven years (so I've read at least) and trained in varies other sword styles. perhaps it is because she does mostly choreographing for films and theater, and this could have ruined her style, but it just seems so unlikely, she even uses the old grip, rather than the more modern pistol grip.
DayDark87 3 years ago
who does your hair?
1chichimec1 3 years ago
i like saber lot better then foil or epee i think its more fun but thats just me
MadSpiProductions 3 years ago
ahm... en este caso creo q un atake asi nos erviría mucho ya q al hacer el circulo completo se perdería mucho tiempo pudiendo el otro hacer un simple cambio y atakar, sin embargo creo q si se hace un cambio simple por arriba se ahorraría much tiemo y se podría hacer un atake aunke yo preferiría tocar al brazo n_n yperdon por comentar en español jejeje
lalito117 3 years ago
ya but if ur opponent just keeps their wrist loose and moves around your sword, this doesn't work. i used to do this all the time as a beginner, and it worked on other beginners, but when i fenced experienced fencers, it didn't work at all.
and203 3 years ago
why that's why in Epee the parry/riposte is more of one motion.
While taking the blade, on sides in on your opponent and attempts to hit target area
STOPm3323 3 years ago
cool.
roygbiv330 3 years ago
Cargo Cult Fencing instruction.
Senecart81 3 years ago
You can't learn fencing like this. Show them some footwork instead. Launch, fleche, ballestra.
Also It's a bad idea to parry down towards your own leg as your opponent is likely to hit it.
Svaliant 3 years ago
..."it's likely to hit it", you said it. If you can hit first, then the movement is OK, for what i know...
neverenough1984 3 years ago
Well, but then you have to HIT the opponent's blade, not lead it towards your own leg.
Svaliant 3 years ago
I dont know fencing but I still know she is doing it wrong.
Yarios 3 years ago
i really hope you dont teach epee like that...
1. you're using too much arm in your circle 8, which is a bad move to use in epee to begin with...
2. beat attack are much quicker and more effective in epee
3. you fail...
beastvondaeast 3 years ago
who are you? the moves are big and slow so people can see exactly what they are doing . maybe you should shut your mouth. Youre probably the same person who would watch a martial arts demo and complain that noone would be ably to do those moves in a real fight not realizing that a demo and a fight are two different things . get off your high horse
raist0479 3 years ago 4
obviously the circle described in the "real" movement is smaller and quicker, but i suposse that for educational purposes she makes it wider and slower
neverenough1984 3 years ago
ЗАСТРЕЛИСЬ СЦЦУКОООО
romania69 3 years ago
Hey man, thanks for the clip from Greece - very nice.Brings back some sweet memories. Use to fence ( shpaga, za Dinamo, like 20 yrs. ago) Are u back in Minsk or teaching stateside> chto takoi zloy ? :)
deltalions 3 years ago 2
awesome! thank you for these videos!
sabrefilms 3 years ago 3
Wow! Thank you for posting these videos! They are helping me learn some new attacks in fencing.....thank you again!
walrustusk13 3 years ago 2
what kind of saber is that!!
dragonfire121 3 years ago
its an epee
Tapeman100 3 years ago
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I did that move on her nose and poked the back of her throat if you know what I mean.
b0llx 3 years ago
Return to your parents' basement, lest they find that you've escaped into the Internets and take away your cookies again.
MikeTheAnnoying 3 years ago 10
thanks alot for showing that. im trying to learn fencing.
ichigoinoshika 3 years ago
off topic but does any one know the name of the guy who killed a man in fencing??
PhilliesPhinatic26 3 years ago
if you are talking about the fencer who accidentally stabbed the Russian Smirnov, it was a german man named Mattias Behr.
I met him once at a competition in Tauberbischofsheim.
theloniouz 3 years ago
if you are talking about the fencer who accidentally stabbed the Russian Smirnov, it was a german man named Mattias Behr.
I met him once at a competition in Tauberbischofsheim.
theloniouz 3 years ago
Equivocada, wrong, verwechselt, يخطئ, trompé, sbagliato, ошиблено... si me falto otro avisame!!
litosmail 3 years ago
I would love to fence this person. Parries with your whole arm are incredibly easy to disengage (or avoid for those who don't know fencing terminology). All one has to do to avoid this 'envelopment' or 'taking of the blade' is drop their tip slightly, only to raise it back and extend for a single touch.
To use your whole arm to 'take the blade' is not very efficient at all. All from the finger tips baby :)
trueflipmode 3 years ago
Everywhere is pointing area in the SCA. Still it's different then what i'm used to seeing. NO colorful fun garb it's all white. Fencing isn't just a sport after awhile it becomes a life style! German positions are fun in fencing. Great vid but its different. remember to keep your knees bent!
caearen 3 years ago
Mmm... Actually this ends up being an opposition 7...
riflepoet 3 years ago
Uhh....guys...there ARE no parries in epee. Sure, in foil and sabre there are - but in epee, although you can do the same moves which might be called parries in foil or sabre, they're not *actually* parries in terms of epee. Priority is the one and only reason why parries are parries - they indicate a change in whose attack it is, but in epee, where there is no priority, parries do nothing for the defender besides from keeping the blade away.
I have to admit - it does make presiding easy
Yazzarh 3 years ago
there are no parries in epee? whaaaaaaaat?
look at my videos. I only have 2 of them. Please tell me that in either of them I don't parry.
trueflipmode 3 years ago
Umm....they're not parries. Or at least, they're not called parries.
In epee, all parries are called Attacks with Opposition. Which in effect, is just a parry, but they're not called that.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
Your wrong. If you attack with opposition it just means you are using your guard to block them out from attacking. Mostly used with a counter attack.
Look at my two videos. Both of those are parries. Beat parries.
I don't know where you are getting your information from.
trueflipmode 3 years ago
There are no parries in epee. Fact. I'm getting my information from 5 years of fencing among the best fencers in Australia.
The word 'parry' is ONLY used in foil and sabre because it indicates a change in priority. That's why it's called a 'parry'.
In epee, there IS no change in priority, therefore, there IS no parry. I don't think you're getting that.
Any movement of the blade where you hit their blade out of the way in a defensive manner, and then 'riposte' is an A.W.O.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
Yazzarh...
even if correct your point would be pedantic. but in any case it is not.
a parry is simply deflecting an attack. it has nothing to do with priority in foil or sabre. it is perfectly possible to parry with no attempt to attack whatsoever. therefore "attack in opposition" would be completely inappropriate.
hungarian, german, russian epeeists use parries all the time. french and cuban fencers more often use attacks in opposition and rarely parry.
theloniouz 3 years ago
The point of a parry is that it indicates a change in priority. One of the reasons why if you score a hit with a modern box the point automatically shows up, is that there is no change of parry in epee. Epee bouts are virtually not even presided - the points take care of themselves. Thus, no parries exist in epee.
And those are huge sweeping generalisations in the last part of your post.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
Yazz repeating a point does not make it true.
no definition anywhere states parrying is dependent on priority. ALL deflections of an attack are parries, but NOT all parries are AIO. It is simply wrong to refer to a classical parry with no attempt at a riposte as an AIO.
My generalisations come from 2 yrs with the French jnr team, 1year in Leverkusen wth some of the German team, training with the Cubans, and several years as a coach and WC epeeist.
Where do yrs come from: youtube or the Oz?
theloniouz 3 years ago
Umm, yes, parrying has EVERYTHING to do with priority. You've obviously never fenced foil before.
Okay. Let's say that priority does not exist for a second, and we're fencing foil. I come forward, and hit my opponents blade out of the way. How on earth are you meant to know whether or not that hit is my beat attack or my parry if priority doesn't exist?
Thus, in epee, where there is no priority, THERE IS NO PARRYING, NOR MOVES OF ANY KIND.
There are only hits, and misses.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
Sorry there are parries in epee they just don't effect right of way or priority. Please find a foilist video to comment on. The focus here is epee. As an epeeist please tell me what my deflection of your thrust is called if it is not a parry. A whack maybe?
ruffseas 3 years ago
1) There are no parries in epee, because there IS no right of way/priority. It's not that there are parries and they don't affect it, it's that there IS no right of way which causes there to be no priority.
I can say this from being far more experienced in epee than in foil, and having fenced all 3 olympic weapons.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
You are really knowledgeable thinking there is no such technique in epee. We just fleche into the opponent right?
Sabre, I don't like sabre... All that whacking...
Keledhros 2 years ago
No, for epee, all you have are attacks, deflections, and attacks with opposition.
Wou can do the exact same moves in epee that you might do in foil or sabre, but they're not called that in epee - they're simply called an attack, or a failed attack (and an 'attack' can further be broken down by the ones mentioned above, whilst a failed attack is either a miss or a deflection).
And sabre is actually quite fun :)
Yazzarh 2 years ago
Whacking is what novice fencers do
GMProducer 2 years ago
someone on the comment list said there are no such thing as parries or beat attacks in epee, what on earth are you chatting about?
beat the blade attack, hit to hand...you beat then attack! hense beat attack
and the function of a parry is not purly to change right of way its to stop your opponent hitting you!
and as for the attack in the video dont do it! youll just get a mighty bruise as someone dis-engages steps back and lets you walk onto their point, it will hurt! and youll look very daft
TheFencingPanda 2 years ago
In my experience, a 'parry' in epee is just called a block.
GMProducer 2 years ago
That's the EXACT sort of thing that I've been trying to to say here, but no-one's bothered to listen to what I've said.
I'm not saying that you CAN'T or that it's IMPOSSIBLE to make a PARRYING MOTION in epee - what I'm saying is that THE MOTION IS NOT CALLED A PARRY. Because PARRIES DO NOT EXIST IN EPEE.
Any 'parrying move' that is acted upon in epee is called an 'attack with opposition', whilst - as you yourself correctly say - a parrying motion by itself could simply be called a 'block'.
Yazzarh 2 years ago
Or rather - even then, they're not necessarily called 'blocks'. In my expriences with fencing, they aren't called anything, and aren't given any names whatsoever - and this emphasises my point that the concept of a 'parry' does not exist in epee.
Yazzarh 2 years ago
in my exstensive experience of epee they really are called parries. thats why when you go to an international competition all the national coaches shout at their fencers stop "parrying when you dont need to"
and an attack with opposition is called taking the blade, as in take the blade in ceist then attack its not a parry
TheFencingPanda 2 years ago
A deflection of thrust, if acted upon (i.e. 'riposted' in foil lingo) is called an 'attack with opposition'.
If it is not acted upon, then techincally it is nothing - call it a 'deflection of the blade if you want.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
Ooo, and also, there's no such thing as a beat parry. Beat attack, maybe, but no such thing as a beat parry.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
...so how DO you beat attack?
xXMonteCristoXx 3 years ago
In epee, it's not called a beat attack. Sure, the TECHNIQUE may be STYLED in the form of a beat attack, but being exactly techincal, the move is nothing. It is simply an attack.
In foil and sabre you beat attack - not in epee.
Yazzarh 3 years ago
So in epee, there are no names for anything, its all a mystery :D
GMProducer 2 years ago
Haha yeah :P
...in all seriousness now, that's effectively correct. Whilst I can see the joke in your comment, it is actually mostly correct.
Basically nothing in epee is named - the only things that are are the 2 main types of attacks - an attack (normal attack), and an attack with opposition (a riposte following a parry).
Besides from those two names, yeah...there's nothing else.
Yazzarh 2 years ago
i dont agree with the its just called a block thing is but whatever... this made me giggle, i now have an image of my coach shouting down the peist at me "when she does that mystery, do that thing without a name and then whatever you do dont parry as it doesnt exist!!"
i should be able to like this more than onece for the fact i now look insaine laughing to myself :D
TheFencingPanda 2 years ago
By Katana I actually meant an Iaito, which is a blunted version. After experience in both Fencing and Ken Jitsu, I can safely say that Katana techniques are far more effective than the Epee.I didn't mean I would win simply because I could cut your sword in half! I think there's a video somewhere on Youtube that demonstrates my point lol
Nutkin57 2 years ago
Well, katana techniques are MEANT to be more effective.
Truth be told, in REAL sword fighting, I don't really think that the techinques which we get taught in fencing would really help all too much. And reality is - katanas are killing weapons. Fencing weapons aren't (at least, at the moment they arent'). Theyare 2-handed and much more effective at doing anything that an epee can do, except for maybe in terms of reach.
And yes, I've seen the fencing vs katana video.
Yazzarh 2 years ago
Then again, a large gun has the best reach of all.
Nutkin57 2 years ago
That sort of defeats the purposes of swords and melee combat then.
Yazzarh 2 years ago
Yeah lol I was getting bored with the technical talk. Let's just agree that swords are cool.
Nutkin57 2 years ago
Agreed :)
Yazzarh 2 years ago
Indeed they are
KarlTheStampede 2 years ago
Katanas can't cut fencing swords in half. That's a myth perpetuated by weeaboos.
Neale88 2 years ago 4
i am astounded by the lack of knowledge people have of this sport. And yes it is regulation to be bent a max 1 cm downward but nobody really cares or checks if its more
jowood23 3 years ago