Schoenberg - Verklärte Nacht, op.4-1

[TheWakingGiant]

what. wow.

[featheon]

Too slow for me, again.

[cesiface]

1:10 sampled by björk in hidden place <3

[blackvelvet220]

es preciosa,,,disfrtuen y punto

[DerekWilliamsMusic]

It's a shame S gave up on this language, as this work shows much promise in orchestration and compositional technique. However I don't consider it a masterwork. The a, a, a+ melodic construction portends the formulism of his later dodecaphonic innovation, while its icily cloying, cadential rhythmic prosody inhibits developmental drive. The Romanitc symphonic masters at running with the ball were Brahms and Mahler. Famous for being famous, S is not in their league, notwithstanding his notoriety.

[tinydestroyer]

@DerekWilliamsMusic Wait, you're saying that Gustav "Let's enjoy this V chord for another 5 minutes, shall we?" Mahler is a master of 'running with the ball'? Mahler was the child staring ponderously at his ball while the other kids were running with theirs.

[DerekWilliamsMusic]

@tinydestroyer In respect of motivic restatement, Beethoven and Tchaikowsky managed to do the same you're accusing Mahler of, but for the most part, it's not vain repetition. Far from it.

Each to their own - let's agree to disagree.

[tinydestroyer]

@DerekWilliamsMusic Yes, Beethoven was quite good at prolonging his harmonies when he wanted to (although I think Mahler certainly takes the trophy in that category). I just find it curious that anyone can accuse Schoenberg of 'vain repetition.'

[DerekWilliamsMusic]

@tinydestroyer I had to re-read my post to see where I accused S of "vain repetition" but could find it nowhere on this thread. You accused Mahler of what I would term 'vain repetition', and so my use of the phrase in rebuttal, by citing Beethoven and Tchaikowsky as repeaters of motifs, was in response to that, not in any way an accusation that S indulged in vain repetition. If you look at my original post, you will see I was quite positive about the IMHO unlived up to promise the work portends.

[tinydestroyer]

@DerekWilliamsMusic I see. I didn't actually accuse Mahler of "vain repetition" - the phrase is entirely yours--I just found it amusing that someone who is quite famous for drawing out harmonies for a very long time was cited as a master of developmental drive. FWIW, I read your original comment as describing S as as a kind of lesser Mahler. [continued in next comment]

[DerekWilliamsMusic]

@tinydestroyer Developmental Drive doesn't have to consist of faster harmonic rhythm, nor indeed metrical rhythm, other than that there's always a timeline. It could just as easily derive form timbral or texturral intensification. You're the first person I've 'met' to as good as write Mahler off as boring for doing something that Beethoven and Tchaikowsky also do.

As I said several posts ago when I could see where you were going with this, let's drop it and agree to disagree. Our tastes differ.

[tinydestroyer]

@DerekWilliamsMusic Sure. But just for the record, I am really not trying to debate tastes (nor did I call Mahler boring -- I like Mahler.)

[DerekWilliamsMusic]

@tinydestroyer No I said "as good as write Mahler off as boring", not quite the same as saying you called him boring. It was in respect of your own description of Mahler, if I may quote you directly: "Mahler was the child staring ponderously at his ball while the other kids were running with theirs." and "Let's enjoy this V chord for another 5 minutes, shall we?"

It's pretty hard to detect a liking for Mahler from either of those two comments! Just for the record.

[tinydestroyer]

@tinydestroyer [continued] S's post-tonal style, while excellent, was IMO the most derivative of his compositional periods. So it seems that living up to that early potential would be living up to someone else's potential, not his own. He would be an equal Mahler, not an independent Schoenberg. (Whether one likes his serial works is immaterial -- they are nevertheless his unique achievement.) *shrug*

[paomica1]

Les propongo algo, ¿Qué tal si dejan de discutir y disfrutan de la música?. Porque para eso tengo entendido que fue creada, para hacer una pausa y detenerse a escuchar y dejar volar la imaginación.

Pues, si de todos modos prefieren seguir peleando, es su problema; yo por mi parte sólo me enfocaré en Schoenberg.

[MrGUILLERMOPLAZA]

ES MUY PLACIDA ESTA MÚSICA Y ES EXCELENTE LA DIRECCIÓN QUE HACE BOULEZ DE LA ORQUESTA. LE EXIGE AL MÁXIMO Y ESTA RESPONDE CON UNA EJECUCIÓN Y FUERZA EXTRAORDINARIA. GRACIAS POR PUBLICAR ESTE VIDEO.

[SmelDiferenToMidget]

@MrGUILLERMOPLAZA no one knows chineese, so SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

[MrGUILLERMOPLAZA]

@SmelDiferenToMidget Disculpe cuando responda a mis comentarios, por favor, hágalo en español no en inglés. Gracias...

[alkay]

bjork sampled for the track :hidden place!

[wetfreq]

@alkay did not know that, thank you!!

[Gito360]

@alkay @ 1:08 you mean. i love the hell out of that song, too.  good ear

[THEMGOROTH75]

That was EPIC!!!!Dark,romantic,frighten­ing,EPIC!EVERYTHING!!I have lost my words,can't describe this powerful music,Schoenberg was a superhuman genius!!

[esmilges7]

i really can't stand more than ten seconds listening this guy's music, it only noise, doesn't have sense, matter... what a shit

[indigenous71]

@esmilges7 What?! I could understand if you were saying this about his expressionistic stuff, but I really can't see how you can call this 'only noise'.

[RJShaw0]

@esmilges7 are you drunk??????????

[Lucraetio]

Yes, Brahms

[Lucraetio]

Yes, Brahams

[Triosfrios]

I hear a lot of Brahms in this work.

[smileitsmichellee]

simply amazing.

[OsvaldoPaese]

great piece. my favorite I've heard so far of Schoenberg's.

[TEastleigh]

The five supreme composers in the history of Western Music (in no particular order)...

Bach

Schoenberg

Fill in the remaining three at your discretion.

[pacman80500]

@TEastleigh

the guys in behold... the arctopus

mick barr

those guys in the flying luttenbachers

[ReyZore]

01:04 - 01:15 Bjork and her beautiful Hidden Place

[NocheConstelada]

Meraviglioso... ma avreste potuto interromperlo in un altro punto! =(

[amadeuswebern]

I just wish Schoenberg had written more stuff like this.

[PrincessUnicorn69]

@amadeuswebern Same here. I don't care much for the 12 tone technique.

[99hoolio]

@amadeuswebern I feel exactly the same! Possibly the most romantic piece of all time!

[briangaylord]

terrible job. no pacing or tension. the build up is wasted.

[briangaylord]

@briangaylord Be careful about what? Having an opinion on the interpretation of this piece? Specifically, how the beautiful opening has been compleeeeeetely pissed away in this recording.

[THEMGOROTH75]

Oh,epic beginning!EPIC!!!!

[celticboy1950]

Wonderful, and totally unexpected.

[MattiasXL]

It's too bad that we don't appreciate Shoenberg's earlier works as much. He had an incredible knack for Romantic writing.

[annacuj]

@MattiasXL

So true - I've also always believed he was a romanting under everything else, but it's wonderful to travel forward and time and let your ear adjust... what a great guy.

[6JohnRedmond6]

Amazing.

[lorsas]

geweldig!!

[Arascii]

great recording

[johngoforth77]

wtf....what a horrible place to end it

[mariorussi2010]

peccato che dopo schoenberg si sia rovinato...questo e'un vero capolavoro!!!

[wetfreq]

sometimes i think that there must be unconquerable passion within you to create such a masterpiece. sometimes in the depths, sometimes floating through the air

[lutubo07]

wonderful!

non era possibile tagliarlo un po' dopo?!!

[ferrerpla]

El Schoenberg postromántico es una delicia de escuchar.

[thebloads]

Listening to this makes me think that he intentionally made his later serial works brittle and harsh. As opposed to romantic serialism a la berg.

[banrionaiasc]

simply stunning