Time and Consciousness...

[sk8terman246]

sculptures... sculptures is the word.

[summersun2828]

You have such a great way of rationalising and explaining things. I wish I could explain myself in such a clear way as you. I find myself agreeing with lots of what you say but when it comes to me explaining to others, I find that I'm not so good at as you. I guess the best way to explain what I mean, when it comes to these kind of topics, would be to sit someone in front of your Youtube channel and say "Hey, watch this guy....that's what I mean!" Lol! :-)

[RPFS2008]

Surely if the theist accepts the proposition that non-spatial and timelessness can exist then they should have no reason to posit a god in the first place. The universe never did not exist and there's no possible way that it could not exist.

[realnameunknown2011]

GOOD VID, BUT WHATS YOUR Hair DOING

[autecuso]

My opinion right or wrong: Ok hear it is. Science is truth discovered from 'the present space-time paradox' and religion is the truth unproven and undiscovered, perceived in 'the future paradox'. bluntly religion and science are the same just bound by space time at different locations 'the present' and 'the future'. In addition time doesn't exist all that exists is now. The past present and future are the same 'now'. Just perception of them is different. They are one and the same. Whe

[humansaretheworld]

Anyone want to comment on their worldview of consciousness, mind, brain, physical,

matter. How about the 11 dimensions of M theory and mulitiverses?

[kingWILLYUMZ]

sculptures :D youre welcome haha.. love these vids!!

[RuinSonic]

If Time and space is all there is then wouldn't that lead to an infinite regress? I mean you have to admit that by observing the universe you not only see certain laws of nature that you can make sense of metaphysical concepts with but you also see things in nature that aren't sufficient to account for nature, like the laws of nature cannot account for the laws of nature. So I'm not seeing completely how your reasoning makes it so the only reasonable conclusion that everything exists in time.

[greggkm]

If one was God , why would he make perfect bodies for us, and make him perfect like him, with all his powers.. Would not that makes us Gods also if that were so. Then what would be the point to do that. or the point to test us here on earth. That is why we have imperfect bodies on this earth, for they only are vessels of our souls.We are supposed to receive more perfect bodies after death. after the end.

[greggkm]

The guy says god is outside of time is wrong. His time is not the same as ours. For in the bible, its gives time references. One day to us, is a year to god.

[soulfunkcity]

@greggkm assuming that god actually exists please quote at least one verse from the bible that demonstrates this point. If God actually existed why would he even require time? 1 year is the time is takes for the earth to fully orbit the sun.

[Flyborg]

@greggkm Wait.. God has a body? God is a mammalian vertibrate primate, like us? Humans are adapted for life in a physical universe, walking upright against the force of gravity on a spherical Earth. Why the heck would a God have any form at all, let alone one that looks anything like a human? Why the heck would fixing the flaws in our biology make us "God like", if God is some kind of vague concept? (Unless God is a man who lives in the sky, of course)

[acdobens]

No theist would even agree with his (Valyok's) statement "God shares no attribute with his creation." It says in the Bible, God created man in his own image. So his argument wasn't even consistent with his beliefs.

[39knights]

Actually watch some of the videos about 'intention experiments' and the Double Slit Experiments which question how 'real' atoms are or how 'real' what we see empirically really is. For myself I am delving into understanding consciousness and what it means to be aware of our own consciousness. I think some of the answers I am seeking about this life may be found down this road than the scientific one.

[soulfunkcity]

@39knights Do you have any good reason to think that and if so then please tell me?

[39knights]

@soulfunkcity Scientifically speaking there are limits on our empirical universe from Planck's constants of time and distance; to the edge of our observable universe. Physicists have pointed out that within these limits, we only capable of experience within roughly 4% of the known universe. I have yet to hear of any credible theory which can explain our conscious awareness and why we do not sleepwalk our way through life like a running computer.

[soulfunkcity]

@39knights you have not heard on any credible theory based on your understanding, are you an expert on these matters? also just because something doesn't sound credible to you doesn't mean that it isn't or that there aren't othertheorys which you are currently unaware of. I will asume you are a layman.I just dont see how you get to saying you are looking for something outside of the scientific method. Please explain how else we advance our understanding using any other method..?

[bananabread119]

If a Christian says God exist out side of time and space! Then you've basically defined him out of existence!

[39knights]

@bananabread119 Not really. You would also have to discount sub-atomic particles which experience non-locality and exo-time activity. Most Christians would argue time/space are created concepts (and most physicists would agree too; just not with the cause) and God would be the only true reality; with all other reality depending on His Will to keep it in existence.

[XxJeffSimmonsxX]

Time is a ultimately subjective and largely depends on human perception, It is not unreasonable to believe that if there were a god that he might not be confined in its limits.

This is not something that you can construct in a syllogism. I don't think there is much point in a debate.

[kwesi216]

God so loved the world that he made up his mind to damn a large majority of the human race

[RuinSonic]

@kwesi216 Lol, one of the many blunders that have to be excused away. The best excuse is to say that God's sense of morality is different than ours which only underminds their argument for a universal moral code.

[TommyFilth1]

The idea of God being external to its creation is laughable. Why don't more people see this, seeing as how it's manifestly obvious? Assuming that God exists, it is the sum of all things, not outside of all things. Following that logic, anything it decides to "send to Hell" would imply that it is torturing part of itself. That's like dipping your hand into a deep fryer because it was "bad".

[MrSalamander7]

Sculptures man....... sculptures.

[Seniortrends]

you make sense......I am thinking differently

[kwesi216]

why would the laws time be the same for the person who created it

[rationalmuscle]

Well, let's take an example of something to which time is connected: Rest. "And on the seventh day the Lord rested."

Metaphorical? Necessary? "Rest" cannot exist in a time-LESS environment. It would not be required as it is defined by, limited to, and fully the result of time; both in passing and in essence.

The passage oft quoted (1000 years/day) is never actually "seen" in scripture. God seems to be VERY time-focused. Perhaps bound in some ways, unbound in others? That too is problematic.

[kwesi216]

the fact that he took a rest is symbolic man u have to read the concordance

[rationalmuscle]

// the fact that he took a rest is symbolic man u have to read the concordance. //

You ARE joking. I'm a EX-MINISTER. Do you not think I've "read the concordance"? Hell man, I've read the texts in three languages.

I'll spare you from doing so: You have NO justification for this comment. The term in Hebrew is NOT figurative; it is not subjective.

Please -- cease insulting my intelligence if you wish to carry on this conversation.

[kwesi216]

dude stop tryin to over philosophy this bible and god thing...he said he rested that just means he was done from what he was doing not that he took a nap a time stop..imean your over think this which makes u dum

[rationalmuscle]

// imean your over think this which makes u dum //

I'll let this comment stand on its own merit. Now, excuse me as I have to go under-think something of vital life importance...

[kwesi216]

so that one thing that doesnt add up about time u think GOD isnt real...wow...people look for so many excuses not to believe in god just so u continue to sin

[rationalmuscle]

The onus is on you.

It's very simple: Give an argument for your god.

[kwesi216]

why is it your the one that doesnt believe ...the majority of the world why are in the minority...what makes you not believe

[rationalmuscle]

Simple:

1. No evidence for the claims.

2. Mounds of evidence against the claims (from age of earth to ERVs)

3. Atrocities of the Jewish God (condones murder, rape, child abuse, slavery, etc.)

4. Theological gaps a mile wide, indicating definitive man-made articles and/or tampering

That's just for starters...

The question is why DO you believe?

[kwesi216]

I believe because i do not rely on my 5 senses to tell me .....i rely on my spiritual being....i feel it..and no its not gas....but..i dont believe in any specific GOD..i just think that there is an creator...or creators

[rationalmuscle]

// i rely on my spiritual being. //

How do you know if you have a spiritual being if not for the senses? Hearing teachings. Seeing nature.

Every piece of information you have you 'process by thought' -- including the 'conclusion' that you have a spiritual side and that there may be a deistic being.

[kwesi216]

it didnt create the feeling ....my teachings just gave it a name

[rationalmuscle]

And which teachings are those? And how do you know they are the reliable ones? After all, we have "equally" authoritative texts from the SAME period (see the Talmud, or the Toldoth Jescue reporting Jesus to have lived 100 BCE and crucified under Alexander Jannaeus. Or is it the Ebionite scrolls, now lost due to Marcion's gang who wanted a spiritual only Jesus. OR was Marcion's FIRST cannon correct? Or was it the later cannons... or THEIR revised versions?

Have you even studied this stuff?

[kwesi216]

if it isnt true why hasnt any body been perfect ..why has everybody done something to offend god or aka sinned...come on now..

[rationalmuscle]

Come on now indeed... your argument makes 'no' sense at all. What do you mean "why hasn't anyone been perfect"? How does that counter my argument re: the reliability of scripture, and the basis for what you CALL scripture -- all determined by a very small group of men well over 200 years past the death of Christ?

[kwesi216]

wasnt just talkin to you on that ..but ...because there is scripture prior to the bible that is similar to the stories of christ is your reason for disbelief ..thats foolish

[rationalmuscle]

You responded to me by accident then.

Incorrect: And I'm beginning to doubt your belief in the value of the written word. As in "reading with clarity".

I asked you how "scripture" can define YOUR beliefs when we do not have an historical consensus on what "defines" scripture. A bigger mess than you may realize.

[kwesi216]

you have me misunderstood i am an agnostic....i believe some of the scripture figuretively can be an asset to your life...if u want them to but takin face value and preached as truth is the problem but the bible isnt just supposed to be scientifically accurate nor historically accurate its purpose is to promote prophetic moral standards...

[rationalmuscle]

So why do you say: "So many people don't believe in God and continue to sin..." etc, etc?

[kwesi216]

i believe in the possibilaty* that he may exist...but everybody has done something to break wat the christian god commands of us...have any of none believers read the bible and try apply the moral wisdom it preaches until then you disbelief is not justified...

[rationalmuscle]

Then you are NOT agnostic, and stop labeling yourself as anything other than a pure theist. Anything less is intellectual dishonesty.

Moral wisdom? Okay, try these:

1. Beating your slaves is perfectly okay as long as he doesn't die.

2. Selling your own daughter into slavery is fine as well, as long as you get a good price for her.

3. Killing children, babies, animals, etc. while plundering a city? Okey-dokey.

4. Sacrificing animals? You betcha.

I could continue...

[kwesi216]

bet your using the old testament LOOK up proverbs...2 I am an agnostic because i dont know what this god is what he/she/it...is like i dont know about any specific GOD so yea im an agnostic diest if you will ...read proverbs

[rationalmuscle]

Er... no. I'm a former theologian. I use multiple sources.

Look, you claim to be agnostic, THEN ask me to read Proverbs 2? Do you realize that the word "LORD" is always "Yahve" or "Yahweh", the SPECIFIC god of the Jews? This is not an 'abstract' deistic god.

Then you spout of, "if it were not for sin"... man, you are quite confused as to what "agnostic" even means.

Oh... and "checkmate" is one word.

I suggest a better education in both grammar and theology.

[kwesi216]

not when i say it..check mate...lol...we are all destined to find out..bro...find truth...

[kwesi216]

REad deeply into those stories..if it wasnt for SIN GOD wouldnt have to punish them and there children...so check mate

[rationalmuscle]

Oh, please... infants sinning, eh? Point me to a sinful toddler if you will.

What a tool you are.

[kwesi216]

actually i am agnostic...i believe in the possiblity that a creator creators..may exist but agnostic to there charector...now...u can only name a few...ill malice wrond doings n the bible i can name more verses that have been helpfull to my life and others..

[rationalmuscle]

... and I can cite you 1900 years of history that have been primary bloody due to the bible and other religious teachings.

Sorry, but I find more good (much, MUCH more good) in Plato, Thoreau, and Shakespeare.

[UrieWhore68]

HE'S STILL TROLLING. D; kwesi is everywhere D: D: D: D:

[kwesi216]

your point is..............wait you dont have one...wasting my heart beat now are you..?

[sciencemile]

(Generalization) Nobody is born with the belief in a God, all are born with an absence of that. It is the natural mindset until somebody says otherwise. We aren't born believing in Santa, or knowing that you shouldn't touch a red-hot oven coil, or God. Hence, to have somebody believe in God, it is up to the person who believes in God to convince the person who, by default, doesn't believe. Does this make sense?

[kwesi216]

that isnt my job but ask away what do you have a problem believing but even if i cant answer something ...YOU should try praying with honesty

[psymon208]

For the record, I'll "sin" (do and be whatever I want without fear) regardless of whether or not I believe God exists. Forget that stupid shit about us wanting to AVOID God. If he exists, we can't. If he doesn't, there's nothing to avoid.

Pay attention to the people you're talking to before throwing piss-poor canards, the persuasiveness of which has run its course, and realize you have an empty sack.

[WordsofHarmony]

Well...are not all existing things expressions of consciousness?...though they may not be "Thinking" as we do so they are not "conscious"

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

"sculptings"

haha, sculptor and sculpture.

But I'm sure you've heard that by now, i just found that funny.

[JCthefirst1122]

washee ? ,

employer - employee - yes x brain washee.

Octopuses - octopi ? moose mooses/moosi ?

[JCthefirst1122]

I should come clean - I don't believe in gods - a god - or even the concept of calling a chemical reaction of incredible complexity life. I do however enjoy the debates - I am an engineer, and have read chemistry - although that's bloody rusty now. Intersts include the universe and theoretical physics , abnormal pyschology , Surfing (not the internet) and beer. I appreciate TB's approach as sometimes I find my own arguments abnoxious and with out consideration. I am a bitter X brain washie.

[JCthefirst1122]

Another note to my decentors - I was being sarcastic - I am the cat amongst the pigeons - again I will clearly sate NOT at the end of sarcasm in future. Sorry for confusion.

[JCthefirst1122]

Hey any chance you had a look at my comments on the chemical reaction arguement to determinism ? I really like some good arguements against it, you have a good philisiphical approach to theory - and so far no one has really challenged this theory ?

[JCthefirst1122]

Dear sir - in response to your email .... sarcasm (lowest form of wit I know)I was making a reverse jesture of approval of your position. I should have said not at the end for the American market. Thank you and Good night.

[GladTidingsPromise]

As witnessed by his Prophets throughout history. He (GOD the FATHER) has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans (D&C 130:22)

Everyone is a literal child of God, spiritually begotten in the premortal life.

His work and glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man (Moses 1:39)He prepared the plan of salvation. He sent His Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, to loose the bands of death and atone for the sins of the world:

(True to the faith)book on the LDS website

[JCthefirst1122]

Please Sir, the burden of proof is on you to proooove God does not exist, and while your their can you do Zues, Thor, Vishnu, Brahma, Siva, Precognition, astral projection, that T-Cup just beyond the asteroid belt, Santa, Superman, mother nature, karma, etc etc...Ad Fucking Nausiem

[TheoreticalBullshit]

Um.... no it isn't. Sorry.

[1big10incher]

the burden of proof is not on you to prove the non existence of god since by definition NOTHING can ever be evidence for the non existence of god (you cannot prove a negative) BUT the burden of proof IS on you to explain how a random universe could ultimately produce civilization.after all,this is YOUR claim,right? if so then you have the burden of proof for THAT claim.

[BoOyaH1388]

I love your approach to religion... it is very enlightening. I appreciate your videos.

[JinxedBohemian]

As it turns out, the one who makes an assertion (ie There is a God) has the burden of proof. We're not making the assertion, we're denying yours.

[Median333]

sculptures :P

[falotnek]

But still, discussing what God is or is not, is pointless. God is unprovable, so discussing him or her or it is like discussing what the lottery numbers will be. Total waste of time. Give God a workable, testable, empirical definition of existence, and we can play ball.

[iloveallecchianime]

You cant prove god exists cause he is in a different dimension... and matter might not exist yet does exist at the same time... you cant imagine it cause your body is built to only understand this universe. there might not even be 3d space in the other dimension. Its so weird i cant explain it

[falotnek]

So in the end, our brain can not in real life see what actually happens and how fast or slow it happens. We can feel it, but we can not estimate the exact time in nanoseconds. So we rely on computer technology and math and instruments for detecting matter and energy on the smallest level, and make accurate predictions of time.

[falotnek]

your mind is timeless in sense. Our understanding of time is how we see matter move. Or more correctly, how we understand how matter move. However that understanding is limited to our senses. Our eyes can not detect all types of radiation. Our ears can not detect all types of frequences in distortions. So to put it simply, we miss alot of what happens. Especially on the microscopic level, wich we can not see.

but memory and the feeling of now, before and after, is all in a state of quantum flux.

[douv65]

but time was created by us.

time has no beginning

time does not have an end

there are holes in our measurment of time. leap day, and as "time" goes on and the sun advances in its stages towards its end; our system of "time" will be more and more illogical

we live in a world where everything is relative. time is relative. and eventually, all these relative ideas will go to shit

[hazza59]

However, you might be forgetting that our perceptions of time and other subjective ideas will change with the change of our environment. Our ideas won't go to shit, they will just change.

[majutsukai]

Mmm... if there existed another axis, perpendicular to that of time, which we as humans had no means of detecting... it might be possible for a consciousness to exist independent of the flow of time, if it was bound sequentially to such an axis INSTEAD of time. But then, we just smash headlong into Occam's Razor, don't we? :P

Don't mind me, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. If you'll pardon the unintentional pun. I tend to enjoy pseudophilosophical mind games like this. >.>;

[riversonthemoon]

As we all do!

:)

But remember a second temporal dimension that allows for changing states of consciousness, that is still in 'time', just not perhaps our time. Though 'perpendicular to' is a spacial reference. I don't know if I understand what that could mean. I think I have the correct image in my head, as we usually represent time as a line, but I'm not sure exactly what that would translate to in reality and what it's relationship to our time would be.

[majutsukai]

When people say that God exists outside of time, what I picture is him looking at time as if it were a timeline; look here, and there's the past, look there and there's the future. (Well, it wouldn't be "past" and "future" to such an entity, but more like "here" and "there".) Of course, though, you're right, this wouldn't mean he's outside of time altogether, but outside of OUR time, and subject only to his OWN time--which is a proposition with which I doubt a theist would be reluctant to agree.

[kwesi216]

the bible does say a day to us is like 1000 years to him

[dafydd3946]

haha i love it.

[god0fmusic]

the quote you say from this guy, about god having no attribute, sounds to me like Spinoza's argument for the existence of god, which isnt really an argument. its more like "god is nature". god is essence. its energy changing form.

[TheFemaleDurden]

In which case he woulndt have a conscious- and is not the god that we 'know' from scripture- the only thing suggesting there is one- thereofre there is no reason to believe there is one. :)

[god0fmusic]

yea, spinoza's god is not the conscious god the bible speaks of.

[riversonthemoon]

In fact, Spinoza's pantheism really isn't a type of theism, rather the only difference between it and atheism is in the attitude toward nature. Spinoza felt that nature was worthy of worship.

[god0fmusic]

or maybe he thought that god was worthy of de-mystification.

[riversonthemoon]

Well, he clearly rejected the supernatural. If your interested, I posted a 2 part talk on Spinoza. Just go to my channel.

:)

[god0fmusic]

riversonthemoon, ill check out your channel.

[poorkinghaggard]

The "law" of Thermal Dynamics is not valid in modern Physics. Just thought I was mention that.

[untermenschen9]

Is materialism the only plausible stance, Sir?

[DeeEmarr]

Sculptures! lol, sorry, had to say that...

[Archermonkey79]

Interesting thoughts, though I disagree with some of what you have said. The idea that nothing can exist outside of space and time would invalidate both black hole and big bang theory, each of which are based on the combination of evidence and logic. It would perhaps be more supportable to say that we cannot comprehend an existence bereft of space and time than to say that such an existence is impossible.

[Archermonkey79]

No FINITE consciousness can exist outside of space/time, but the idea of a being which is omnipresent and transcends time suggests the infinite. To take an example of what infinite consciousness might be like, consider a red ball. Now consider a blue ball. Now consider a red ball and a blue ball simultaneously. The presence of a concept does not imply the absence of another concept. This idea can be inflated to the level of infinity.

[InstinctualGenius]

"nothing does come out of pre-existing nowhere" - Scott

If true, this equally discredits both god and Big Bang theory. What are we left with?

[ScreamingNinja47]

infinite possibilities... none yet discovered or suggested

[ratssniff]

and on the seventh day!!!!!!!!!! if thts not time i dont know what is

[ratssniff]

i thnk ( the first thing u didnt understand) he means becouse he didnt create himself its not his fault he is an immoral bastard which is stupid anyway

[Schroeders88]

sculptures!

[urfat]

ROFL I was thinking the exact same thing!!!! I was about to scroll down to post it, but thanks for beating me to the punch. :D

[ContraWagner]

For some reason, I couldn't think of that word either.

[ratssniff]

srry im respondinng to the video but absolutly you cannot disprove anything its up you the claimer to proove its there

[cryptographix]

You don't know how many times I've had to tell a theist that there is no "before the Big Bang" according to the Big Bang model. They still perpetually say "what came 3 seconds before the Big Bang?"

[beautifulview]

1. Time is a property of consciousness. You are aware of it -> It exists. Imagine 'non-conscious'. It doesn't take long to realize that there is not, nor can be, such a thing.

2. Matter = Energy -> Brain = Energy = Rocks. Are rocks conscious? Are atoms conscious? Is 13/17 cm^3 of space conscious as a unit? Curtains?

3. Being that good-looking and healthy, why do you even care? Why don't you party your ass of? Just curious :)

[jameshaggard]

Most Christian theologians have discarded the idea of "eternity" as timeless, especially since it arose from very Greek understandings of philosophy (see Aquinas). Rather, the God of the Bible is "timely" in the sense of change, but is not bound by "our" time. I liken it to your movie illustration in the initial video except that God is sitting on the couch watching the movie, able to stop it or edit it whenever He chooses.

[jameshaggard]

Hey TBS, you have hit on some very valid points. The God you are describing can't be true, however, you are describing the God of Plato and Aristotle (the "unmoved mover", or the "eternal thinker") rather than the Judeo-Christian God.

[DavidRandallCurtis]

5 stars... your videos keep getting better and better.

[lasercat10cc]

Light is outside of time and inside of time? Dull brains will say this is a contradiction, so don't bother saying it. A basic understanding of relativity is needed to even comment at the most basic level here.

[uncprinciple]

You can argue so simple, clear, logical and free of contradictions because you are not bound by the invisible mind blockage of indoctrinations. If a believer tries to think rationally, his mind tries to make sense of all what he assumes to be true. And an intelligent believer postulates very complicated ideas, but which do not make sense at all and only please the believer in his faulty world view.

[siciliano29]

A theist rambling incoherent, unfounded arguments? That's about as uncommon as a sunset. ;)

[top2d2]

I am officially a Christian "diconvert", after watching your vlogs. Thanks You!

[agwellin]

Sculpture

[marcosdoliva]

Very interesting point about consciousness not being able to exist outside of time. In addition Dawkins has made the point that consciousness is a prodect of a complex brain. How can consciousness exist without a brain? How can a brain exist without matter?

[thedarkener]

Rather, is consciousness dependent on matter? Consciousness is not dependent on matter, as it is intangible. Therefore, consciousness exists outside of the brain, or at least outside of the dependence of physical matter.

[uncprinciple]

Is a computer program dependent on matter? A computer program is not dependent on matter, as it is intagible. Therefore, a computer program exists outside the computer, or at least outside of the dependence of physical matter.

Is consciousness really independent on matter? I would say no.

[dideoxynucleotide]

Yes. Computer programs are dependent on the differential rates of electron flow through circuits. Last I checked, electrons are matter.

[uncprinciple]

@dideooxynucleotide: Sorry, I should have put the first paragraph in double quotation marks, since I used an analogy (and replaced "conscioussness" of the OP with "computer program") to demonstrate that you must be very careful with words.

Of course, computer programs are dependent on matter. If you destroy the computer, nothing remains.

[thedarkener]

Interesting... Is a computer program the same as consciousness?

Computer program: A set collection of pre-conceived lines of written code, which systematically perform a function

Consciousness: Awareness of one's existence

Is a computer program capable of being "aware" of it's own existence?

[uncprinciple]

In both cases we have a higher abstract layer of a physical representation. I am aware that awareness is incomprehensible, so I don't draw logical conclusions with it. We have our focus on consciousness because we are not aware of our subconsciousness. The latter reigns over the first, and the first can alter the latter in a long run.

So, I ask you for your definition of awareness :)

[thedarkener]

I'm not sure exactly where you were going with this reply, but I can say that I am most definitely aware of my subconsciousness. I can 'tune' to it (I.E. meditation), consciously focus with it, and bring insight into my 'waking' consciousness from it.

I guess you must consciously *become* aware of your subconscious for it to become more influential...

[uncprinciple]

With meditation you cut off external stimuli. That's where your brain `breaks' the physical barrier. But it is only a dream world inside produced by your brain. It cannot work in reality because reality is restricted by cause and effect. Your virtual physical world model just deviates. The subconsciousness is emotionless, knows nothing about right or wrong or meaning, is simple (only greed for life), becomes partly aware as soon as your brain is malfunctioning.

[thedarkener]

I agree with most of this, but I believe meditation does much more than provide a "dream world produced by your own brain". In contrast, with my experience anyway, meditation has taught me that all life as we know it is connected in a very intricate manner - a manner in which we cannot truly understand with only our conscious minds (as they are geared toward individualism).

[uncprinciple]

A dream just moves your awareness to unaware but registered events, and the objects/subjects are just projected according to a trained behaving pattern. It is a subsequent processing of events if the brain has spare time. If you experience a meaning, then you have experienced something causal, with cause and effect. Subjects are important for us, that's why they are so dominant (There's a brain region which calculates the image of a facial expression into feelings).

[uncprinciple]

Also, I would be very careful with timelessness, because all casual events are based on time. However, I would agree that the measure of time is different in a dream because time is only a measure of distance between adjacent events within a sequence.

[thedarkener]

I agree with a lot of this, besides dreams having no real "meaning" - if that were true, and dreams existed as merely subsequent processing of events in your own mind, then how do you explain lucid dreams, in which you become conscious, interact with dream characters, etc? I can't see that as merely 'processing of past events', because I know, personally anyway, I have come to some pretty enlightening realizations through my dreams (lucid and non-lucid alike).

[uncprinciple]

The "meaning" is exactly this -- it exists only within your brain whereas the general universe is meaningless (the perceived commonality is only within the context of other fellow human beings who have a similar brain and experiences). Lucid dreams are intriguing, powerful and so meaningful (and they are even to be more "true" than reality), because they are constructed according to already processed meaning of events (and they are also not restricted by real-time constrains).

[thedarkener]

How do you plan to back all of your claims? They sound reasonable, although somewhat depressing, I must admit. If our consciousness(es) are merely comprised of elements within our physical reality, and have no connection to anything beyond what we can (or have, according to you?) physically experience(d) here on Earth - I'm going to need some proof. ;)

[uncprinciple]

Acceptance of cause and effect, common sense and personal experience. You don't need any proofs because all you need is objectivity to yourself and the readiness of trying to explain your experiences rational. You would need proofs if you claim extra dimensions. The connectedness experience comes from another description system because the "you" is hugely overestimated and you just have realized that you are the universe, made self-aware.

[thedarkener]

The best proof *I* can give is that of my own personal experience with meditation. Once, my most powerful experience was that of the existing outside of space/time. It is difficult to explain, but I did feel like I had just realized I *was* the entire universe, as in a 1-dimensional portrayal of our reality (a single point).

[uncprinciple]

I cannot say anything about "tuning". Maybe if the brain is run at different brain wave frequencies, it just has access to different memories and meaning libraries.

With your universe experience you have tried to change the description system from a subject dependent language to a scientific language.

[thedarkener]

Brain frequencies are lowered during meditation, as they are when falling asleep. Beta -> Alpha -> Theta -> Delta (Beta==active concentration, Delta==deep dreamless sleep).

If meditation changes a subject dependent language to scientific language for insight, how can realizations (as I have experienced, or at least my perception of "external", universal knowledge becoming my own) be perceived as mere processing of pre-existing personal memories?

[uncertaintyprinciple]

I write you a PM. This chain comment thing gets too long ;)

[top2d2]

That's unconciousness

[RosieDesire]

Loved the video... There are actually some pretty cool hypothesises about time... my favorite is the time does not really exist as in a 4th dimension but instead as a shadow of mass. Mass itself affects time similar to how movement affects mass.

[cinnamon125]

I could listen to u talk for hours...great video!!

[Djcandymann]

Every time!... wow. You are the reason for my youtube addiction.

[lasercat10cc]

Thank you thereticalbullshit,

Great vid .

With Gratitude :-)

[Antichrist4Life]

If theists want to claim that God is a spirit who exists outside of time, then they have to prove that spirits exist and show what it means for something to exist outside of time. My grandfather lives outside of time, because he's dead! Saying something exists outside of time or space, is like saying it doesn't exist at all. It's utter nonsense!

[lasercat10cc]

If you use logic down to it's utter exclusion of everything else, nothing should ever exist at all. NO Sun no Moon no God no man no light no time no dark. The fact that you are here talking shows there are things beyond logic. You need to look into Quantum mechanics, consciousness first, everything else 2nd.

[AdHocRationalizing]

"If you use logic down to it's utter exclusion of everything else, nothing should ever exist at all."

How so?

I agree with Antichrist4life. There's no reason to take claims of "outside space" and "before time" seriously. These are trivially oxymorons since outside is a spatial notion, and before is a temporal notion. As for "things beyond logic," that's what most of us refer to as nonsense.

[lasercat10cc]

Please don't get me wrong i'm not saying i know the answers, it's just claiming to understand what you don't understand e.g quantum mechanics, is closing the door on the unknown. Mankind has much to learn and keeping an open mind is healthy

[Antichrist4Life]

Since when does quantum mechanics claim that things exist outside of time? And even if it did, imagine people burning in hell b/c they werent quantum physicists and so couldn't believe in God? Even if God existed, he'd have nothing to do with the pettiness of religion/mythology, anyway. That's manmade. All it takes is looking at the world around us to see that IF there's a god, it's deists who are right, not theists.

[kwesi216]

Time, by definition IS FINITE. If there were an INFINITE amount of moments preceding this moment, this moment COULD NEVER HAPPEN.

An infinite being can not be contained by a finite construct, therefor God is outside of time.

[rationalmuscle]

Then you've just eliminate God and "eternal life".

Thanks for sparing us all the mystery.

[kwesi216]

funny we have done something that would classify as sin ...the judeo christian may not be real ....but hey you can die happy hoping that there isnt one...

[kwesi216]

NO i didnt...

[MrSalamander7]

Or he doesn't exist.

[kwesi216]

or it does...personally i dont care...i cant converse with him/it/her now so it doesnt matter

[lasercat10cc]

Non locality as shown by quantum entanglement shows there are "things" (this is an incorrect word) that exist outside of space/time. Matter is based on probability, and probability is nonphysical. You seem like a cleaver guy, if you work it out you'll show you don't understand.

[TheoreticalBullshit]

This doesn't negate what I was saying in the video, though. These "things" are not conscious, morally inclined, personal entities capable of creating, planning, and governing.

[lasercat10cc]

Pt 3 You have no memory of this higher consciousness, yet the great clue is not in the lacking memory but in the consciousness it's self. Think what would be the only thing you didn't know if you knew everything (higher mind.)

Yes, simply not knowing would be the thing you crave to experience.

[lasercat10cc]

Pt 2 start thinking metaphysically, the divisional quality of nothing via probability = infinite randomness wherein an infinite consciousness or mind must "arise" (always existing) simply because of the infinite complexity.

[lasercat10cc]

pt 3 The infinite random complexity becomes like an energy medium e.g water in a glass. The mind that has a vibrational frequency interferes with this energy and begins to see a world that is a reflection of it's self. A self is a limiting factor therefore separate from the infinite mind.

[julianrod]

'Sculptures'?

You can even say that even we as human beings, when we create robots (an analogy of God making people), we create them with human capacities and anthropomorphizations.

[bubonicnate]

I have a counter to this arguement in my pants.

[bapeisgay]

A christian would deny anything to support the belief of their god, its tragic really "/