Eldar Land Raider Tactics

[MrSimmix]

awesome tactic

[nuggztheninja]

Typical conehead cheater trickery...I love it! 

[mostillrx]

? a land raider filled with an expensive unit is always doomed to fail, biggest rookie tatic ever.

[satricv]

correct me if i'm wrong, but for the first turn, this will work, but just playing ring-around-the-rosie, wont give you enough movement to get any bonus cover save for movement. ie you measure the distance from start to finish, direct line, not what it took you to get where you went. the shortest path across a circle is a straight line.....

[ThakoManic]

anyways 1) Land raiders by them selfs? Eh ... 2) Ram Use power of the machine spirt it still gets to shoot you can just Ram Past the Squad. And He dosnt just RAM the group Ram basicly states you name X Distance, Move like 6 + Inches away declare that as your distance you keep moving untell you hit that spot or hit something that didnt move away. These tactics should be re-looked at.

[ThakoManic]

@Kalshinko agreed if the land raider is running out by itself the other guy isnt that smart.

[polaris30000]

The simplest way to beat this would be to leave it alone. The land raider can kill one or two, but they are not that big of a problem. The rest of the army just goes about its business and takes the occasional potshot. Besides, once the 2nd eldar turn is over, they no longer have a coversave, making them much easier to kill.

[TheWaraxx]

actually you dont need to go fast to claim the 4+ coversave...

from lascannon(right): two out of the three of the wipers is obscured. This gives the entire unit coversaves.(pg.64 in the BRB)

same goes for the lascannon(left) and the assaultcannon.

They will have more stuff to take them out. but hey! they lose 1-3 rounds of a 650-750p unit

[9Ahriman9]

Wraithguards are the ideal weapon against land raiders and terminators, put 2 squads of 5 with a warlock in a wave serpent and they'll tear the space marines ;-)

[simplethunder]

Awesome idea. Unorthodox is always right in my book ^^

[EvLmongoose]

You should play it out and tell us the results. I want to know if it really works. Its pretty damn clever.

[clayoman11]

you have changed the way i played

[MrBigDaddy1997]

Awesome idea.  Thanks

[PathoftheWargamer]

Pure Genius

[dragonstormx]

Shouldn't the video be called "Eldar anti-Land Raider tactics"?

[thetomahawkwarrior]

cheez

[Kamikuru77]

@thetomahawkwarrior nigger

[randynewman069]

would this work with bikes around a skimmer?

[Wizconsin]

To hard to pull off. Rather have 2 vyper squads euqp. w/ lances that have been guided in 1st turn by ED. that a lotta pionts to tie up for 1 unit. keep a farseer near as a cover save on a JB squad. fort and guid as needed. E storm also to turn raider away if imbolized and any wep cant hit ya

[haloister123]

Ssssmmmmaaaaaaaaaaarrrrttttt smart smart smartity smart smart

[Hask79]

I think the Land Raider only needs to destroy one of the Vipers to prevent the Eldar from achieving full coverage of all the exits. The following Space Marine turn he can simply turn or pivot the Land Raider on its axis to unblock one of the exits, which can then be used to dis-embark.

[Spjungen]

I'd never put out a land raider against eldar and not give it blessed hull...just puttin' that out there. I don't see why you wouldn't give it that upgrade against one of the two only armies that actually have lance weapons.

[BrianLeexx]

What would you do if you faced two land raiders? I just ask because that's my set up.

[Goschi10]

I only have an Eldar army and I always play against my cousin who uses chaos space marine thousand son with a land raider and the land raider is always a bitch to deal with and its a long shot for me to destroy that thing but this might work really well! Good idea. And yea I get rolled too lol

[Goschi10]

I only have an Eldar army and I always play against my cousin who uses chaos space marine thousand son with a land raider and the land raider is always a bitch to deal with and its a long shot for me to destroy that thing but this might work really well! Good idea. And yea I get rolled too lol

[Goschi10]

I only have an Eldar army and I always play against my cousin who uses chaos space marine thousand son with a land raider and the land raider is always a bitch to deal with and its a long shot for me to destroy that thing but this might work really well! Good idea. And yea I get rolled too lol

[Goschi10]

I only have an Eldar army and I always play against my cousin who uses chaos space marine thousand son with a land raider and the land raider is always a bitch to deal with and its a long shot for me to destroy that thing but this might work really well! Good idea. And yea I get rolled too lol

[fellhound001]

flamestorm cannons negate cover save (flame temp weapon)

burn vipers

[indendunklenschatten]

I don't think, this could actually work... and it's not that close to reality, I'm sorry... I'm just not too fond of this concept.

[Dongabhana]

1 question:

I placed the flamers the wrong place on my landraider redeemer. On the last door on the side. I know, it's quite stupid...

But is there an easy way to get them off again? im affraid I'll destroy the landraider if I just pull... help needed! :S

[linkinhearts666]

Oh little side note - what music tracks do you utilise for your intros? Love that stuff ^_^

[AgeOfReclamation]

SPAM-HANN!!

[Marqhll]

Not the most amazing tactic I've ever heard of  but very interesting to consider. If my opponent is entirely unprepared for it then they'd get a little confused and wouldn't know what to do.

[wakcedout]

honestly if i had a land raider on the table and you surrounded it like that i wouldnt bother eating up the firepower from my other units just to take down the jetbikes yeah it would suck that you have my terminators locked into the vehicle that way but i would just basically let the land raider just fight its way out of that. the jetbikes arent strong enough to damage it and if they do then i get a free disembark anyway and pile in to crush the eldar of course teleporting them in is best

[metaltigeruk]

Nice are you going to do a vids with this tactic?

[WayOfSaimHann]

@metaltigeruk There is one of my battle reports vs. Brother Captain James' ultramarines where I pull this off on his land raider and it takes it out of the game for two turns so my jetbikes can escape- worked 100% perfectly

[tedarkness]

thought land raider can hold 6 terms

[macdeath69]

300 pts minimum of Vyper to do that ?

Problem sir...

Just getting 1-2 unit firing at them (including the LandRaider) may easily suffice to make enought room for the Terminators to get out or the LandRaider to move away.

You don't destroy the menace, you just delay it by giving it 300pts minimum to frag.

You should better invest in Fire dragons in a serpent or even sacrifice Swooping Hawk to that task...

Would cost you less as Terminator on foot are sluggish compared to you (SainnHaimm)

[sn0wman1333]

You have thought this through but with some bad luck it will crumble easily. You say you want the focus to be on your vypers, that you will throw them away. Depending on your setup that can be 300-600 points being thrown away and in the end of it you have a delayed raider with X termies inside and your left with a chunk out of your army that could be spent better elsewhere. too much risk for the reward in my opinion.

[DrCrypt13]

i love the fact that it's not a tactic your opponant could prepare for. fantastic creative thinking! it's the set up and execution that requires both luck and skill. Now if most of your army is fast moving just destroy the land raider and avoid the assault marines. use viper squads with two brightlances and one shuriken cannon. guess which one takes the hit for the squad.

[ChaosElf1]

a good idea but you've used at least 2 fast attack with this and the marines could just take that combo twice or 3 times(using 1 elites and 1 heavy support each time) so you couldnt do that to all of them at once. You would need more tricks to take out the others. If you think of some, please could you make videos of them?

[LordSia13]

Yeah, but 6 Vypers w/ Starcannons (which is great against Marines in general as well) goes for 360 pts, the Land Raider alone is some 250+, and a full squad of assault terminators is something like 420+ points. If the opponent goes all out, well guess what? He's locked his entire list in three relatively slow, if powerful, units. The Eldar could do something like this with just jetbikes, voíla! Go for 12 jetbikes, that's 264 points and it'll give 'em 3+ cover saves from the turbo-boosting...

[Darthane]

This worked much better in 4th, when a penetrating hit forced a disembark (would insta-kill all his troops), the problem with this here is, if one viper is destroyed, he can then do an emergency disembark (anywhere around the vehicle).

I used to do this in 4th with gun drones and fire a single railgun shot into the landraider, my record was 600pts of HQ and termies killed by one shot :)

Also, another good tactic for landraider + termies is of course fire-dragons in a wave serpent.

[Archmayratus]

But I gotta say, pretty sweet tactic. Totally Eldar. Unexpected warfare is what they do well and if someone did that to me. Well, i'd kinda be pissed but amazed at the same time. good stuff Fritz

[Archmayratus]

Haha, uncrackable you say? I have the worst luck everytime I field a land raider even having it in cover, I usually get it blown up turn 1-2....I dunno what im doing wrong but the rolls Kill it EVERYtime. I kinda took raiders out of my lists..

[the0scarlet0piper]

fire dragons are you're friends in this scenario

[LifeEssenz]

for the raider definitly, but, only the exarch can have some potent firepower on longer distances and once you cracked that badass Land Raider, you have to face the force from inside.

Stormshield: 3+ saven even against melta/plasma is lame

or awesome, depends on from where you look at it ^^

[jboweruk]

For which, 10 Howling Banshees and Jain Zar,,, Dead Termies.

[liamweight]

The point is its not only stopping the landraider. but the terminators aswell!

[Harmonygamer]

Land raiders 260pts. Vipers are about 50pts Un Upgraded each right? I havn't seen them before. so im going on a Land speeder. This means that your down points, JUST trying to stop it moving. a MUCH better tactic would be to Dedicate a Squadron of War Walkers. Same stats. 6 strenth 8 shots at A12. thats going to do alot. on average. tats got to be atleast a penatrating hit. this would do more than your tactic, is more tacticaly flexable, and less points

[ceaser341]

A land raider is AV 14 all around, and an un-upgraded Vyper is 45 points. This isn't saying that you should only do this, and this is why you should take vypers, but simply something you CAN do, if theres no other option. It's called adaptation to a situation. It's best to have little tricks up your sleeve to always be prepared.

[ceaser341]

AND you forgot to add in the cost of how many termies and the Chaplain that's trapped inside the Landraider.

[BlackTemplarSteve]

i thought there was a rule called 'emergency disembarkation' where even if you are surrounded by enemy units you could still disembark...

[draketheduelist]

Eeeeeh... It's funny, for sure, but why go through all this trouble when you can drive-by with Fire Dragons in a WS / Falcon and zap it with however many Meltaguns? If anybody sinks over 500 pts into a single model, there is no such thing as overkill against it.

Plus, you're screwed if that Land Raider happens to be a Crusader or a Redeemer. Both have the firepower to break out of this formation no problem.

[draketheduelist]

A funnier variation is to do this to a bunch of Rhinos with Berserkers in them. Surround the access points so the Rhino has to move in order to legitimately disembark. Then, when the Rhino moves, the Berserkers either get out and are pretty much stuck, or they stay in and you rinse and repeat ad nauseum. (I showed a Necron guy how to do that with Scarabs last weekend.)

Also remember that blocking the access points and blowing the tank does nothing. They just "emergency disembark" now. P 67.

[guttersmurf]

the vypers/bikes stop the termies disembarking within 2" of the raider (models may not be withoin 1" of enamy models). last line - 'if even this disembarkation is impossible, they can't disemark.'

[HarbingerGunship]

That's really funny looking. Also would be very annoying.

Probably wouldn't work against my raider-to-be because it's going to be accompanied by my Razorbacks.

[abortedsoul]

Brilliant! That is amazing. How many Vipers would you have to lose to yield enough ground for the termies to pour forth?

[Dukat13]

dirty very dirty lol but i like

[qwertytylerrea]

why try to stop it when you can have lances bring to down! in my army i have 5 bright lances two which are twin linked and then 10 pathfinders to take out terminators.

[FitzyRedStrat]

why so many jetbikes? it just looks stupid

[TheChaosUndivided]

it may look a little silly but is very streamlined :)

[Haggismckilt]

lol theres so many jetbikes, beacuse its mech eldar and saim-hann (jetbike army), the equivelant to white scars for space marines

[DefiantTiger]

yea its a good idea, but i dont think you could get it to work the way you want it, its more of a stall tactic and stalling with eldar is a fail.

[kurkkuz]

well normally based you can have 1 terminator squad to land raider (8 terminators)

[wreynolds1995]

You can't have 10 Terminators in a Land Raider.

[justino4567]

i'd say it can work tell me if you try it out

[br00dl0rd]

hell yes dude, its completely legal. the terminators cant deploy, you do get a cover save on the turn the vypers move, and the ramming really wont do anything. its genius, pure and simple. i dont know how long you can hold the land raider that way, but it will give you more time to wipe up the rest of his guys.

[Parckie]

If your Vypers are in the way , if you shot ur falcon at it , wouldnt the LR get a cover save?

Idk It seems that your entire army could just move away from it regardless, doesnt seem like youd have to sacrifice anything for it.

[rafis117]

dude...this is epic lolz move

[666warpspider]

to slamer2000

dawn of war is game version of this original tabletop game.

(moron)

[omfgwtfroflol]

HAHAHA!!

i would love to see that pulled off!

[dylonnigh]

he did it

[slamer2000]

I don't get it. What is this vid about? I know warhammer 40,000 dawn of war bla bla bla...I play the game. But is this a board game version of dawn of war?

[vincentvalashu]

The video game was based off of this mini model game.

[devastator06]

hahahahaha. if you use this tactic please record it. i want to hear the person you are playing's reaction

[WayOfSaimHann]

I did- check out my newest vid I just uploaded.

[hhhhoolllliiu]

awesome :)

[blackbranduh]

could anyone link me a website or something where I can see a real 1v1 fight?

[Sau1us]

Of course this will work equally well with piranhas for the Tau. Feeding frezny I think they call it.

[orome21]

its too risky all those vypers held up. When they could just as easily fire and kill the raider at range and then move back killing the termis as they walk 6 inches. and in the process waste the time. the time you need to kill them as they aproach.

[orome21]

you cant load that many termis in a land raider they count as 2 troops so top number is 6 . now thats not so bad well yes its bad but killable

[Jabster0145]

well the only thing now is that i can figure out a way to counter it =)

[OnuMatoran]

A good thing to do is add some Bright Lances on those vypers so that whilst they are still alive you can still try to pen. the Land raider.

[MuahMuah101]

Good idea. But what about Tank shocking? for example you do this i ram the squad. You do run the chance of being immobilized by the glancing str 4 hits on your sides any immos, you've lost vypers. With POTMS the land raider (given its a space marine one) will shoot at you with one lascannon. almost 90% + that it will hit and penetrate the chances of survival are 25% which is fairly good.

Great video

[roguexarch]

how can you think of this stuff fritz

[chriso119]

Fritz YOU GENIUS you really fit the eldar i think your tactics are great keep em commin!

[TH3BR4V3L3MM1NG]

The only Big problem I can see is that its very exoensive, and that not alot of smart players would leave a Land Raider out in the open on its own. There is bound to be some form of support. Otherwise its a very smart idea on paper and in theory, Let me know how it works out for you.

[domiuslunarfang]

heres the thing i gotta hand it to u it was a good idea but surprisingly the idea of an armoured colmun comes in mind becuase thats how i like to play with my tanks if i havea landraider im gonna have predators protecting its flanks id like to see you look out for that

[VooDooMadMan]

Hmmm nice idea i like it... with measurements and trying this should probably work for every skimmer in game. But good damn now i can't stop imagine, six Saim Hann skimmer flying around land raider with wrath!! Nice mate... :D

[spacecake345]

I like it!

[betodathug]

the only problem i really see is that its costly

[lubi125]

and you lose it

[Noodlethedrago]

nice

[luke9723]

surround it, block the exits then blow it up with your other guns. the squad inside are entombed coz they can't dismount.

do it with 2 squads of reavers in my DE lists... very nasty tactic!

[arsch1212]

nice trick blocking tanks with speeders

but would a line of maybe 2-3 not be enough?

[fiveofnin]

1}the model dosen't mater base dose.

2) i move and happon to take one out and just move 2 ins away and use my lascans or even 1 from power of the machine spirit could give them enought but introsed to see if it works

[spacecake345]

actually it's a vehicle so it's measured by hull

[lethaldumpling9]

can this tactic work for space marines... with land speeders and predators.

[nabreakdance]

good idea. but honestly, using bright lances to take it out (i run 4) then take the termies out with fusion blasters (there in a serpent). then theres about 4 or 3 left then assult with seer council.

this is what i use against raider termi combo, seems to work for me.

also if i dont agree that the seer council is bad in asssult with these guys, i meen there has been many a game where i lasted them out by locking them in combat

the key is to not let them assult, and you assult 1st!

great idea

[BloodAngel012]

Just a question about the circling part: did you say that you could get the 4plus cover save due to high speeds while circling? If you did, that is false. In my rulebook, it says that you can't do the high speed save if you're circling or turning around, etc. (But if you didn't mean that...well, my space marines are screwed! XD)

[ShasoDnarb]

Seems like a useful tactic to use, even if it is only useful for one turn.

[Grendelsbane]

If the Landraider tank shocks you and you pass your morale check the tank just goes right through like you weren't there.

If you do a death or glory, then you have to have a weapon that will stun, immobolize, or kill it to stop it within your wagon wheel.

[Setitenut]

the tank shock only works on troops.... vypers are considered vehicles and thus stop the tank shock

[WayOfSaimHann]

AND I'm a skimmer so I can elect to get out of the way and the land raider stops in its tracks. So I have it boxed in, nowhere to go, if it tries to move then it still goes nowhere.

[spooterman64]

This forces him to wast shots on a viper.

Taht is brilliant!

[CrazedHamster99]

one problem land raider fires lascannons and bolter i that takes down two termys assault out rape your vypers embark next turn and you achieve nothing but a waste of troops

[WayOfSaimHann]

Won't happen- there are two squads infront- las cannons can only target 1 due to fire arch. That = 1 las and three heavy bolter shots. If they hit I then get a 4+ cover save from being a skimmer that moved fast. Won't take me down at all LOL! I do this kind of stuff all the time.

[Setitenut]

as much as I love your videos I must warn you that GW has in its FAQ a ruling on the conditions of "going Fast" for the 4+ cover.....and circling a landraider does not qualify......you only get the speed cover for moving 12"+ away from your start point.... this prevents players from moving 7" out and then 7", stopping exactly where they started and claiming a 4+.

Also the LR can still turn in place to bring both LasC onto your Vypers, as much as I love the idea, it is not legal.

[godless8]

i like the idea but setitenut is right ... according to the rules this is not possible . though i would simply try to out run them as i have seen that your eldar army is always ( or almost always) comprised of fast moving troops .

btw keep up the good work on the vids there great :)

[deathguard24]

thats sweet thinkin man!

[HMLstudios]

lol thats hardcore.

[Rincewindlolzor]

Great idea, sure, it will eventually be defeated by lascannons and what not, but keeping it bogged down for a few turns whilst you take shots at it from lances etc.

Think i may use this myself.

[cardnals100]

how is your friend putting 10 terminators in a landraider,terminators take up 2 models while in a landraider

[jawaballs]

I think he is actually getting 7 terminators and 2 characters in power armor into a Redeemer.

[usernamesunavilable]

It's not a bad idea... but for the point value I think you are spending an awful lot to contain it. It is probably a fairly even trade, but still not giving you an overwhelming advantage.

I would probably say it would be better to round up a handful of bikes with Warlocks in the squads and use their Witchblades to down the Landraider. Plus if you can manage to block all the exits when it goes you can take out the entire squad.

[gandalfwiht]

genious

[tyrbolo]

Distort cannon and webbers

then hit 'm with a conversion beamer

[PenguinPainterz]

you sir are evil!!! 5 star for the cheekyest tactic i've ever heard of!

[NidsForMe]

i kill them pretty easy i use 10 meganobs charge with my warboss as well and assult if they all make it i can get my 5-6 attacks with S10 i rolls all

[kmch90]

if im not mistaken, if you can manage to blow up the landraider while blocking the doors, then everybody inside is auto-killed.

[ExecutorOnslaught]

I luv you're vids Fritz and im a loyal subscriber.... But isn't it rather stupid that you post these things on youtube so that yur friends or other ppl can know ur tactics and beat u step by step before you even started?

[WayOfSaimHann]

Thanks man! I put the vids up to help you guys play better games and WIN, get feedback and more ideas for myself. A number of guys at the local gaming club watch my stuff, whcih only makes my game stronger- I'm still beating them when they know what I am going to do- I'm countering their counter so to speak...

[ExecutorOnslaught]

Nah dude im just saying that... you're tactics rock but the publicity of em isn't always in ur best effort

[NidsForMe]

and hard to to tak down that many vipers and speeders for many races my orks can't u just run throught them so i dont play with eldar (to cheap) aginst my orks

[macmoontrotter]

beast!!!!!

[JimNagle87]

Plus I think you would be doing the Warhammer 40k franchise a good favor here on YouTube by promoting and expanding the game to new players. Since the new Warhammer video game is coming out, more people will be interested in the table top game. You really should post a few videos on HOW TO PLAY, WayOfSiamHann. Just a thought.

[JimNagle87]

I think you should post a HOW TO play video series :) I actually enjoy watching people play this game but I really don't even know what's going on. I remember watching people play it back in the 90's and being intrigued. I try my best to follow along.

[macmoontrotter]

dormicon did one check out his channel

[Auxelli0n]

I'm building a LR based army... lol....

[lordmagyar]

why put any terminators in land raider,they cannot count as a scoring unit plus your opponent knows that you have a large amount of points in one place and can target that transport.

[hardrockfreak1337]

Only 6 Terminator armoured models can go in a land raider.

[lordmagyar]

comms message.......brother anko of the four company second tactical squad to the battle barge morits four company mortifactors, brothers we are pinned down the enemy are using gra-bikes to stop are advancing land raiders,advise

.........lordmagyar: brothers trust in bolter chainsword, if you seek aid... look to the sky brothers....

[cjpendleton1993]

2nd turn and you wont get you cover save for turbo boosting becasue you cant have move 24 inch away from your previous position

[WayOfSaimHann]

That's ok. My SOP is to always go second and then reserve everything- cuts down on 2 turns and then plan for the game to end on turn 5. I just need to stop the raider for a bit for my council to be unchallenged.

[eveplayer12]

hmnmm

[ThCave]

Not a bad idea. The biggest thing about this tactic that I don't like is having to spend the points on 6 Vypers just so they can hang out around a Land Raider. I realize that Land Raider+Termies is going to be more expensive than the Vypers so in the end you come out on top, but it still seems like close to 300 wasted points to me.

[Badasscow]

The tactic itself is deffinetly original and well thought out, but it all hinges on whether the space marine player is an idiot to be honest. When you've got something like a fire prism rushing toward your own lines, it's gunna be a bit noticeable. Though if the space marine player does realise the danger, you may very well get enough time to decimate his other forces so you can focus on the Land Raider. It seems very risky, but it is the only way i guess.

[WayOfSaimHann]

Guys, I'm not planning to blow up the land raider at all risking an emergency disembark of the termies- I'm just going to hand out around it so it can't move or assault with th termies. Can't do it with jetbikes since they can be tank shocked- vypers being a skimmer means I can just move out of the way stalling the raider. Yes my vyps are expensive, but it will allow my seer council to deal with the rest- I can take 30+ marines with them in 4 turns no problem.

[lordmagyar]

you should defiantly try it,see how it plays out, do you have a house rule where people tell you wot they have in there transports, because having six vipers surrounding a empty land raider could cause you some problems later on in the game, again a very well thought out tactic.

[WayOfSaimHann]

Lord, we do play this way at the club- stating what is in what.

[lordmagyar]

OK, yea do it man see wot happens, we set up that way as well, but it got a bit predictable, and people just targeted the heavy hitting unit in its transport.we decideed that commanders of each army would not have that kind of intel on each other and its changed the way the guys set up and play, you guys don't play that way i would try this tactic out of sure,

but i would have not thought of it!!! dam.

[tonyponyf]

Well done. But I will advise in a video response.

[St0rmyfromger]

good idea expecially 4 a jetbike-army: but this workt last edition better when you surounded a vehicle with bikes/vypers and blow it off, so all man inside it were dead but now ... he wil shoot problably a gap an break trough and disembark so you are not able to do it again ...

nice explanation anyway

[WayOfSaimHann]

Shooting will be negated by a turn of a 4+ cover save, any shots that get though I'll take on a side vyper since they are in a squadron. Won't tie up the raider for the entire game, but for a turn or two for my seer council to roll out...

[manga1853]

i tried the tactic before the vid was out with my orks almost pulled it off but unfortunately it was a redeemer and i only managed to get 1 of the hevy flamers down but this tatic will work i knw it will and gd work fritz

[spacemarine2121]

brilliant tactic fritz im going to try that one thanks

[Glizzy6d]

fritz: changing the way the game is played, keep em comin

[ruttman15]

lol i love the new slogan, FRITZ TACTICS :D

[GAbinoGzz]

you Sir are a genius, thought one question. Couldn't the land raider pivot and get a hatch open after downing a bike?

I'm just learning the rules so...yea.

[1T2A3U]

man that is cool

[strikingscorpions1]

Awesome that was cool u should so do that with like 30 jetbikes just for fun to annoy a spac marine player

[SteVieBizzLe101]

very sneaky, but pricey. seeing as those vypers probably account for a huge percentile of your army....but if it works then you are definatly a master tactician!

[40kchaoslord]

that is complete genius, you my friend are one sneaky son of a gun, you keep that up man

excellent tactics, you should totally give it a try next time

[Setitenut]

for the cost of 6 Vypers with weapons, wouldnt it be more effecient to have FireDragons in a Serpent.......plus the Serpent can multi-task even after the Dragons get slaughted by the now footslogging Termis?

[jawaballs]

He is using his existing list...

[Setitenut]

fair enough.... but I should warn him that GW's Errata states that the 4+ cover for going fast is measured from point to point,ie it forbids "going in circles" as a way to achive the 18"+........plus a stationary LR gets 2 LB shots and 3 HB shots.......for a potiential 2-3 Vypers shot down per turn....it was a good idea, but armor 10 circling 2 Lascannons is not very surviveable after turn 2... but thats just my 2 cents

[Oyufurodai]

Wouldn't it be easier just to do the classic Eldar/Dark Eldar way by circling the tank then popping it so everyone inside dies?

[johnkerry7]

except the prop as he said was that a land raider has 14 armr

[DarbysBored]

thats a neat idea, its really Eldar like doing something unexpected like that :)