Nobody ever calls out the mainstream media on their half-truths because everyone wants to feel comfortable and secure. The truth is: RTFM on your copier and actually learn to use it and you'll be fine.
This story, while completely factual, leaves the viewer in the dark about their pathway to a solution and alone with their fears. You heard the Sharp guy. Pay 500 bucks or figure out how to use the machine on your own.
its not that easy to just "hit delete" even on your computer you could reformat your hard drive 50 times and there still will be traces of EVERY THING! that was stored there
@wally52212 That's not true. It's much more complex than that, but because it's an inconvenient truth that you don't know how to wipe data correctly (multi-pass writes of all zeroes and then all ones in iterative succession and a bit-by-bit verification), you chose to post a fear-mongering comment.
As long as you're thorough, there's no reason to fear hard drives.
Furthermore, most copiers have the option to not cache old copies. CBS is known for yellow journalism concerning technology.
Wow, it's amazing how they'll go after the little fish, but since they work for the big fish, never mention them. God I hate the mainstream news. Medical records, eh. Federal Privacy law. Social reprecussions.
If only they had considered protecting their copiers with the [hiddn] SATA Adapter - simply install it, authenticate using the smartcard and let the copier operate as normal. Once redundant, simply disconnect the drive from the hardware encryption module and throw it away - all encryption keys stored on the smartcard and NO unauthorized access to the encrypted content on the drive!
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Easy Hold down 0 & 8 buttons while turning power on press 690 print 0 interupt and all user area data is erased. Thats for the Toshiba models shown, but it is just as easy for others. Manufacturers dont tell you this because they want to charge you $500.
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Why does Sharp want to charge an extra $500 to do what should be done by default, i.e. to delete an image after it's copied, faxed or emailed? Sharp is trying to pose like an innocent manufacturer that "tried" to warn the customers who don't want to spend $500 per machine for security, why the heck does Sharp want to store every single document by default? And Republicans and Libertarians tell us that we need no government, we need to let the corporations do whatever they want to us!!
There would be no need to replace the drive if they delete the copies of the images as soon as the image is faxed or copied, there should be no need to have thousands of images stored in the first place.
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Why give these hard drives the capacity to store this information in the first place? It obviously doesn't do the consumer any good, since most people don't know it's there and wouldn't know how to access the information anyway. If the customer does not benefit from it, this data storage capacity should not be put in the machine.
if I took apart one of these copiers and found the HDD i'd erase everything off it and use it as an external HDD for music or something. anyone know how much data these drives can hold?
I say when a copy machine is no longer usable, take the hard drive out, SMASH IT TO SMITHERINGS, throw acid on the pieces, then use a flame-thrower on what's left. It's ridiculous that there's no such thing as a personal life anymore. >:/
1. Take out the Harddisk and make a forensic Image with the linux-tool dd
2. Put the disk back in and use the copy-machine
3. After leasing-time is over take the disk out again, download DBan from dban.org and wipe out the disk multiple times overwrites of random-data according to DoD
4. Use dd again to put back the original disk-image
Oh but we have to leave businesses unregulated and unfettered. "The Market will correct for that." Ha-ha-ha!! Yeah, the "market will correct" -- once the lazy / greedy/ sneaky SOBs get caught!
BP: Oh that'll never happen because we've taken all precautions and if it somehow did: we can handle that too. Because: we wear business suits to work. Ha-ha!
AIG: We insure these (most risky) home loans so you won't have to worry.
As far as I'm concerned, it's just another case of passing the buck! It should be the responsibility of the companies that make copiers, like Sharp, to provide self-erasing computer software on ALL their copiers and not try to put the onus on their customers to pay extra for this feature..
Come on, for once in your miserable, greedy lives, step up to the plate and make things right, build all copiers with this safe guard from now on!
You can bet there are theives that know about this, which is what probably brought it to the attention of the media and now the public. When you think of all the different businesses and government agencies that have information about you that was probably copied at some point it's really scary! I wonder if our small printers/copiers that are connected to our computers work the same way? It doesn't seem like they would need a hard drive since they run off the computer's hard drive.
The companies selling photo copiers do not inform their customers that modern copiers contain a hard drive. I know that close to 100% of the public is unaware copiers have this security risk.
It's up to the companies that sell these devices to inform their customers verbally and with a label on the machine of the presence of a hdd. The machines should automatically erase any stored information with the push of a button.
Another question is if any home copiers have this risk.
This is absolutely sensationlized, and they definately cherry picked those machines.
IT guys know there are hard drives, and they should have known to format them just like a pc.
I can't believe Sharp is charging $500 for an option to reverse an option that is simply defaulted to "off" on every other brand. And that one guy is actually charging to format the hard drives, which takes like 3 pushes of a button!
Why not store the job cue on volatile storage (like old school palm devices) with battery 30 minute battery backup and store the settings in a small nand chip?
Oh good...now all the criminals know this now...thanks for telling them all! WTF??? Take some high powered magnets to the darn things or somethin! I figured they stored copies...pretty obvious when copier scans it and you can retrieve it later.
@kamalot77 sorry bro..i do security for a living..well known issues in our industry too..if it makes it to the media...we have been screaming about it for months if not YEARS. The new generation of multifunction machines provide all kinds of good info and avenues to break into a network..
They have known this for years, now the general public (at least the ones that care to pay attention) know. A lot of corporations know about it but they think the company they lease from will wipe it clean when they take the old unit off site - the company they lease from is worried about a buck and cleaning the machine costs time and many times hardware. I have a machine from an Ikon lease that I can read all sorts of HIPAA info from right now - it will be cleaned before I sell it.
The scary thing is that this is something we can't control. Our insurance companies our credit card companies, the credit reporting agencies themselves as well as EVERY company we deal with all have copy machines that could contain our information on them.
yeah I work on copiers. now my idiot customers are wiping out their hard drives which also contain the operating systems.Thanks for letting all the bad guys know about this too. We wipe hard drives or give them to customers if they request it, or they can buy security software. You get what you pay for.
@artemisnfm Obviously the customer has an idiot for a repairman who doesn't respect them. Besides, a REAL technician would have a copy of the O/S. And why the hell would I trust an ass like you to do a good job? If I was your customer I'd fire your ass so fast!
I don't see the big deal. All of our "Personal" information is out there, and not just on copy machine hard drives. I am sick and tired of people over reacting to EVERYTHING out there.
Wow - I had no idea! Why does a photocopier need to store info after the print has been made? Seems like a security hazard that never needed to exist.
@Alistairville Many copiers these days have document servers as part of their functionality. This feature allows companies to print documents that are stored on the copier from the copier without a computer. Many companies use saved documents to cut down on their need for preprinted forms.
@Alistairville An old style photocopier doesn't, it cant remember any information after its drum loses its charge.
Newer ones though that scan the image and print it similar how to how a printer and scanner work for your home computer, and that means they have to retain a digital copy of the image (Although for the life of me I cant figure why someone had not thought of this and set the hard drive to erase itself after each batch of copies.).
Because they (digital copiers, not analog ones) are a mix of a computer, printer and scanner and most also have networking and fax. It started with digital laser printers so you could "mopy" copies to free up the PC that sent the job. If you needed 200 copies of a document you sent the job to the printer, it retained it in the HD and went on reproducing. On a copier if you need multiples then you scan once then reprint copies 2 thru whatever from the HD image. An analog copier cant retain a copy
I get printers and copiers to refurbish and resell all the time and they are loaded with stuff like this. I remove them, run a wipe program to govt specs then reinstall and initialize (like a format) the drive. If it's from a sensitive site the drive is physically destroyed and a new one installed before it's sold. Military near here lets nothing off post with a storage device on it so you have to replace the drive when you buy computers, printers and copiers from them.
@Alistairville I would say it's somewhere between convenience and big brother (company watching employees). When you're fax scans stuff into memory, to send as you walk off, it has to store it somewhere. That and when it kicks out a "failure" to send, it's from (HD) storage. I can give a good number or reasons, but it's the same thing.
what they don't tell you is if you look closely all the documents are pdf intentionally scanned into a file storage unit on the copier not just walk up copies stored in the hard drives also in 2 minutes a trained technician can wipe a copier hard drive making it unrecoverable
Seems to me that the warehouse housing and receiving these copiers should have advised the companies from where they originated about the hard drives and given them the option of removing it before being shipped overseas. This, of course, would entail costs that should be paid by the last owner. Just a thought!
I've worked in the copier industry for 15 years and have known about this since the 1st digital copier came out in 1999. The video has it right, nobody except the part of the government that handles national security is willing to buy the option to erase the harddrives.
They've turned them into document centers... with e-Filing of forms and common printed documents. Thus the hard drive... to store the blank forms so you can quickly print them. My office uses it for just that purpose. But that convenience has left us open for so much more of a security risk.
@jaginaz: I know, I've seen the bloated capabilities of such machines before, double sided large sheet color printing, color copying, network scanning, PIN codes on a per print job or per user basis, automatic binding or stapling, etc.
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However, IMO, any data belongs in the server/storage park, not on some local harddisk.. I see it as an absolute non-feature, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
@loccysmif If they can come up with a way for the copier to access the files from the server and print them, I'll all for dropping the e-File hard drives. But we've got so many freaking forms (thank you, Government Regulators) that it's much easier to store them at the printer and select and print from there than it is for our employees to weed through directory after directory to find the 1 form someone needs to print. Our employees aren't tech saavy enough to find files on their own LOL.
This report is somewhat misleading. The numbers they claim show the number of documents on the machine indicate the total number of copies or printouts MADE on the machine, not necessarily STORED on the machine. And in any case as others have been saying, it's pretty easy to wipe the drive without employing a megabuck security company. It's just another piece of scare journalism about something everyone in the tech field already knows.
This report is somewhat misleading. The numbers they claim show the number of documents on the machine indicate the total number of copies or printouts MADE on the machine, not necessarily STORED on the machine. And in any case as others have been saying, it's pretty easy to wipe the drive without employing a megabuck security company. It's just another piece of scare journalism about something everyone in the tech field already knows.
Did you miss the part where the narrator says "downloading TENS OF THOUSANDS of documents"?
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List of sex offenders? List of targets from a drug raid? Design plans for a building near Ground Zero? 95 pages of pay stubs? 300 pages of individual medical records? Hardly anybody wipes these machines before selling them, that much is clear. No need to lecture me on the "tech field" btw, because I'm from the "tech field".
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Clearly, you're seriously trivializing a grave issue.
By the way, jaginaz, the harddisk pulled out at 0:13 appears to be a Western Digital 40 gigabyte (40 billion bytes in SI decimal GB) harddisk.
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Suppose all copies are 256 color, 600 dpi, letter sized (8.5 * 11) scans. That would take up about ...oh, say 64 kilobyte (approximately 64 thousand bytes) per copy.
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Divide 40,000,000,000 (SI decimal gigabyte) by 65536 (actual 64 kibibyte) and you have storage capacity for about 610,351 documents.
Lastly, should my calculations grossly underestimate the file size of a scan, then, taking a large file size per copy scan still probably yields space for tens of thousands of illegally stored documents......as reported in this news item.
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This is a travesty. Not even the police department "degaussed" or even simply did a cat /dev/zero >/dev/sda to the harddisk.
@loccysmif I'm not trivializing the issue... quite the reverse. I too am in the tech field, have known of this issue for quite some time, and have handled it easily by wiping the HDs on all our copiers prior to their return or resale. What I am mocking is that this report makes it sound like it's a new issue that no one has ever known about. I knew about this 4 years ago and have been dealing with destroying people's digital fingerprints ever since
Okay, but the big problem is (A) They don't all have you working for them and (B) I don't understand the need for big harddisks in these devices anyhow, except to act as some sort of clandestine law enforcement tool, like so many others that we've seen.
I'm wondering where do they get these numbers, security feature cost 500$. They don't want to secure their machines. Programs that can overnight rewrite whole hardrive with random data are opensource, only thing they need to do is update firmware.
@aaronkane7 No. Let's clue in more offices on how to be SECURE with my information!! They wouldn't even have access to my info unless the printer/copier leaves the premises.
Why are people even making copies anymore? Why doesn't everyone just scan the documents into their computer and not deal with paper at all? Paper is a pain to work with anyways. When it is on a computer you can choose to lock the information so that others can't see it.
Even scanning stores a copy on the internal HDD of these type of copiers. If you scan something with them, the scan job goes to a "mailbox" where you can retrieve the file once you are back at your desk.
The internal HDD is what it uses as buffer memory.
What I found funny was how the company "developed software" to scrub a disk. hands up all the linux users out there!!...LOL
@srhnz67@srhnz67 I didn't mean to post it on those kind of copy machines I just meant to use a regular scanner that does nothing but bring the image into the computer. If the information is for you you can file it away in a database if you would have given the info to someone else then just email them or post it on some site that they can go to. Why not just avoid having to work with paper entirely?
Oh please, it's a 'digital' copier. How did you think it retained information to make multiple copies after scanning the original only once? Little Gremlins with great memories? Relax, if someone is making copies, your information is already public. The only secure information is that which you have never spoken, written or scanned. You can't protect your records, but you can prosecute those who use it to commit crimes.
@madrox303 And to make things worse, tens of thousands of copiers have already been sold and are sitting in warehouses or being shipped right now. For everybody who sold a used copier in the last two years or so, it's too late for them to fix it. Maybe they need to hire someone to make a pass through these warehouses and erase drives. (Still think point of resale is a good "safety net" for new drive erasure policies.)
This is so scary because millions of people don't even know, or ever think about this. I know I didn't until I got it forwarded to me from a relative.
@Anothercoilgun Isn't it great to have the right, to expect multi-billion-dollar storage and distribution systems and the staff that keep it running and pay out bonus prizes to keep the content coming in, to do all that for free with no inconvenience to you, and never attempt to make a buck off of you in any way? I think it's fantastic.
I just surf on another website until that garbage ad is done. Youtube shouldn't be going down with other video sites that forces people to see the ads beforehand. Thumbs down for youtube.
@HerrXRDS Exactly! I've owned and operated my computer repair business for 10 years and during that time I've interveiwed hundreds of job applicants with anywhere from 2 to 4 years of college. It's amazing how many people can go to school for that long and still not know squat.
@HerrXRDS They were probably like me, had their experience in things that are thought of as "computers" and had no idea the copier had a hard drive. I see it more as a failure of the copier companies. That level of data retention is really crazy and I wouldn't have expected it in a device like that. Like if someone came up and said "you know your monitor retains images from the past two years and can re-display them." I'd be like, wait what?
Every copier should have that feature built in where it wipes the drive clean after each use. But i still dont know how well that works. You can delete things from your own computer hard drive but they're still technically there until you physically destroy the drive
@blackhole522 Whenever you send a document from your computer to your printer it is spooled [stored] to your hard drive first and then your printer copies it from the image stored on the hard drive.
My reaction as a computer scientist is, DUHHH. Man these companies are stupid. To save a few bucks, they'd expose the personal details of all their clients.
@epegoblue These huge printer/scanner/copiers are networked with dozens of computers at a company and they store [spool] the images of documents to a hard drive to make sure they can keep up with the many request for printed documents. As soon as one document is printed the machine aquires the next document to be printed from the hard drive. Otherwise you would have to wait for hours to get a printout
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No, we do not "need a law" to fix consumers being ignorant, forcing people to destroy perfectly good hard drives. It's very easy to wipe this data so it cannot be recovered, just people need to not be stupid.
some of these act as networked printers and some render images too. I don't work for a copier manufacturer, but unless you're doing high quality graphic prints, RAM should be cheap enough to install. I suspect hard disk drivers are probably cheaper. If you have a data policy then this should not be an issue. However, you do need to know that the hard drive is there first!
@greavesge Hard drives are much cheaper than RAM and significantly reduce the cost of these machines. Also, if there is a power outage or temporary power laspe for even a fraction of a second, everything stored in RAM is instantly lost and cannot be retrieved as opposed to the permanent storage features of a hard drive.Your PC at home first spools your documents to the hard drive before they are printed in most cases.
Don't blame the copy machine makers. I've worked in offices where you desperately need to find a record some something copied. It's the responsibility of the copier owner to scrub the hard drive prior to it being resold.
What's amazing is that these use hard drives at all. They could easily use RAM for that task and completely eliminate the problem. RAM sticks are large enough and cheap enough to store extremely large document queues, completely risk-free, for less than the $500 "auto-wipe" feature. Would also increase reliability and probably speed up the copier.
I don't blame people for not knowing about the drives. I'm a huge techie and had no idea.
@mistertehgrafix What would happen if there were a power outage or the machine were accidentally powered off? Everything stored in RAM would instantly disappear and all documents would be lost. When you have a printing queue with dozens of documents waiting to be printed, that would equal a catastrophe
@SuperEnoughAlready Hmm, good point. And adding a small battery for the RAM would just put things back at square one and be less reliable than a hard drive... So hard drives are the right tech for the solution, and the mistake was when companies tried to make money upselling customers on an auto-shred feature that should have been standard. I can't imagine that kind of data retention surviving an actual legal challenge.
@mistertehgrafix "Auto shred feature?" Shredding is something you do to paper or cloth. Do you mean auto delete feature? Anything deleted from a hard drive is easily recoverable with today's software programs and a little know how! You need to edit your YT profile and delete your "network tech" description posted under "occupation!"
@SuperEnoughAlready You're correct deleting is easily recoverable. To prevent someone easily retrieving deleted files, you write random numbers over the section of disk the file used to be on. That process is often referred to as "shredding". (Though there are companies that do LITERALLY shred the drive.) To be extra secure you can write random numbers more than once. I'm pretty sure that's what the upsell feature does.
The copy machine manufacturers are the ones at fault for not providing scrubbing software as a standard feature. When a copy machine is to be moved to a new location it should automatically activate the scrubbing software. Even if a copier is moved to another department within a company the data can still be a security risk. There really is no need to destroy the hard drives as that is wasteful, and the software can clear the drives, just like the ones on your computer.
I'd love to know how the copier companies justify this. What do they possibly think is a justification for saving a copy of everything that is copied or printed?
Let's face it. The Consumer Electronics Industry has pretty much had a blank check to make whatever they want to sell. With little or no regard for standards of safety and security. Because of this, I predict the fall of modern civilization, in just a few short years, from runaway security theft. But the rich and powerful are all protected. So who cares about us peasants? Donald Trump and Oprah's millions are safe.
And yet the only HOT news of the day seems only to be about Tiger Woods, the NYC bomber, and the Gulf oil spill. Shouldn't this be moved up to a priority at least as important as Toyota recalls?! Let's start recalling every one of these things, NOW!!! Until they have daily self-wiping routines built in. And file encryption standard, not as an expensive option. Doctors and lawyers are never going to pay more for that.
advanced technology has opened a dangerous hole in data security --- i agree
lovelplants 1 month ago
it's obvious that companies wanted it as a part of enforcing policies /watching employees.
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pspheaven 5 months ago
Wow! You guys heh... I had no idea that copiers kept a copy of old files!
Thats pretty fucking stupid.
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ThaJHawk 6 months ago
im gonna take out the hard drive in my copier at work :x
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supperrkidd25 9 months ago
Use Xerox, all problems solved. Xerox has been at the forefront with document security for over a decade. Plus it's standard on their machines.
edquispe1 10 months ago
Nobody ever calls out the mainstream media on their half-truths because everyone wants to feel comfortable and secure. The truth is: RTFM on your copier and actually learn to use it and you'll be fine.
This story, while completely factual, leaves the viewer in the dark about their pathway to a solution and alone with their fears. You heard the Sharp guy. Pay 500 bucks or figure out how to use the machine on your own.
radicalgarbage02 10 months ago
its not that easy to just "hit delete" even on your computer you could reformat your hard drive 50 times and there still will be traces of EVERY THING! that was stored there
wally52212 10 months ago
@wally52212 That's not true. It's much more complex than that, but because it's an inconvenient truth that you don't know how to wipe data correctly (multi-pass writes of all zeroes and then all ones in iterative succession and a bit-by-bit verification), you chose to post a fear-mongering comment.
As long as you're thorough, there's no reason to fear hard drives.
Furthermore, most copiers have the option to not cache old copies. CBS is known for yellow journalism concerning technology.
radicalgarbage02 10 months ago 4
Im sure you can hit a button on the machine to delete the hard drive.
for a 3000 copy machine, it better be able to delete it. If not, take it apart and put in blank hard drive.
Most small office copies dont have them.
macsrule94 10 months ago
Wow, it's amazing how they'll go after the little fish, but since they work for the big fish, never mention them. God I hate the mainstream news. Medical records, eh. Federal Privacy law. Social reprecussions.
WilliBond0007 11 months ago
car, a security risk?
onemanarmy34 11 months ago
Not well known, now it is.
benjamin5028 11 months ago
Oh crap. All those copies of my ass.
coronet67 1 year ago 11
How reassurring......
calamityjehable 1 year ago
I can't believe that everyone is so surprised. Nothing that you write short of handwritten documents that are not photocopied is private.
calamityjehable 1 year ago
So what i get from this is we are all going to die :D
F22RaptorDude 1 year ago
Imagine if someone copied porn on one of those
Riond551 1 year ago
lol id hate to get the one that someone photocopied there ass on!
xxcowsxx 1 year ago
I have worked as a technican on these EXACT models....yes ALL this is true!! The old analog units are the safest- no HD!!
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eliasmouawad 1 year ago
If only they had considered protecting their copiers with the [hiddn] SATA Adapter - simply install it, authenticate using the smartcard and let the copier operate as normal. Once redundant, simply disconnect the drive from the hardware encryption module and throw it away - all encryption keys stored on the smartcard and NO unauthorized access to the encrypted content on the drive!
Easy, effective and secure protection of all data stored on copiers & printers!
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Xerox offers all of those security features for free and have done so well before this story was aired.
Laking9012 1 year ago
Easy Hold down 0 & 8 buttons while turning power on press 690 print 0 interupt and all user area data is erased. Thats for the Toshiba models shown, but it is just as easy for others. Manufacturers dont tell you this because they want to charge you $500.
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Spodeboy2006 1 year ago
they should take out all those drives and smash them and have the customer have a replacement by the ex-owners expense.
woodss82 1 year ago
Why does Sharp want to charge an extra $500 to do what should be done by default, i.e. to delete an image after it's copied, faxed or emailed? Sharp is trying to pose like an innocent manufacturer that "tried" to warn the customers who don't want to spend $500 per machine for security, why the heck does Sharp want to store every single document by default? And Republicans and Libertarians tell us that we need no government, we need to let the corporations do whatever they want to us!!
optimistsRUS 1 year ago
@optimistsRUS agreed, they should pay for the replacement drives.
woodss82 1 year ago
@optimistsRUS
There would be no need to replace the drive if they delete the copies of the images as soon as the image is faxed or copied, there should be no need to have thousands of images stored in the first place.
optimistsRUS 1 year ago
We all need to report this to everyone immediately because this is as bad as someone getting a hold of your credit card or worse!
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affluenceclm 1 year ago
Why give these hard drives the capacity to store this information in the first place? It obviously doesn't do the consumer any good, since most people don't know it's there and wouldn't know how to access the information anyway. If the customer does not benefit from it, this data storage capacity should not be put in the machine.
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msebulke 1 year ago
More and more technology around us and almost no one who knows how to use it ^^
megamarsvin 1 year ago
I wonder how many ass shots are on all of those hard drives?
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mona0303 1 year ago
big brother with the eye on us
canadamonster 1 year ago
if I took apart one of these copiers and found the HDD i'd erase everything off it and use it as an external HDD for music or something. anyone know how much data these drives can hold?
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DESERTSUN2010 1 year ago
why do copiers need a hard drive?
they did not have them in the past, and they worked without difficulties.
this is an identity theif's wet dream.
msthirst4knowledge 1 year ago
I say when a copy machine is no longer usable, take the hard drive out, SMASH IT TO SMITHERINGS, throw acid on the pieces, then use a flame-thrower on what's left. It's ridiculous that there's no such thing as a personal life anymore. >:/
farashahanem 1 year ago
500,-USD for additional security? *roflmao*
If you lease a new copy machine:
1. Take out the Harddisk and make a forensic Image with the linux-tool dd
2. Put the disk back in and use the copy-machine
3. After leasing-time is over take the disk out again, download DBan from dban.org and wipe out the disk multiple times overwrites of random-data according to DoD
4. Use dd again to put back the original disk-image
S3M73X 1 year ago
hello youtube and Big Brother Google, can I post my comment now?
wsxmd 1 year ago
Oh but we have to leave businesses unregulated and unfettered. "The Market will correct for that." Ha-ha-ha!! Yeah, the "market will correct" -- once the lazy / greedy/ sneaky SOBs get caught!
BP: Oh that'll never happen because we've taken all precautions and if it somehow did: we can handle that too. Because: we wear business suits to work. Ha-ha!
AIG: We insure these (most risky) home loans so you won't have to worry.
Dunkleosteus3691 1 year ago
As far as I'm concerned, it's just another case of passing the buck! It should be the responsibility of the companies that make copiers, like Sharp, to provide self-erasing computer software on ALL their copiers and not try to put the onus on their customers to pay extra for this feature..
Come on, for once in your miserable, greedy lives, step up to the plate and make things right, build all copiers with this safe guard from now on!
Snowycat2 1 year ago
@Snowycat2 -exactly!
meechp123 1 year ago
Why even have hard drives in the first place?
Charles2337 1 year ago
Where is our Govt when it comes to this kind of stuff...oh yeah...as usual...asleep at the wheel...geesh...talk about the inmates running the asylum
godwillhunting2 1 year ago
You can bet there are theives that know about this, which is what probably brought it to the attention of the media and now the public. When you think of all the different businesses and government agencies that have information about you that was probably copied at some point it's really scary! I wonder if our small printers/copiers that are connected to our computers work the same way? It doesn't seem like they would need a hard drive since they run off the computer's hard drive.
SilverTrove 1 year ago 2
The companies selling photo copiers do not inform their customers that modern copiers contain a hard drive. I know that close to 100% of the public is unaware copiers have this security risk.
It's up to the companies that sell these devices to inform their customers verbally and with a label on the machine of the presence of a hdd. The machines should automatically erase any stored information with the push of a button.
Another question is if any home copiers have this risk.
TheGibbonsFamily 1 year ago 3
This is absolutely sensationlized, and they definately cherry picked those machines.
IT guys know there are hard drives, and they should have known to format them just like a pc.
I can't believe Sharp is charging $500 for an option to reverse an option that is simply defaulted to "off" on every other brand. And that one guy is actually charging to format the hard drives, which takes like 3 pushes of a button!
shep4066 1 year ago
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shep4066 1 year ago
500$ for an added command to delete the new file!? I should apply for a job there.
VCat2006 1 year ago
WOWZERS!!!! I'm going to go hide now....
Thunderwavemusic 1 year ago
Very scary!
sistabigbones6 1 year ago
Look what and where our security data!
moderninha2 1 year ago
Why not store the job cue on volatile storage (like old school palm devices) with battery 30 minute battery backup and store the settings in a small nand chip?
Wouldn't that help?
kibmczv2 1 year ago
@kibmczv2 RAM is much more expensive than a small, cheap disk drive.
VCat2006 1 year ago
just wow!
iaberis 1 year ago
"software program free on the internets" its called Ubuntu asshole.
GenoSkill 1 year ago
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GenoSkill 1 year ago
Oh good...now all the criminals know this now...thanks for telling them all! WTF??? Take some high powered magnets to the darn things or somethin! I figured they stored copies...pretty obvious when copier scans it and you can retrieve it later.
Mrsshroomable 1 year ago
Oh my god, why is there no auto-erase on these harddisks ??? Didn't anybody think of this before....
PartyshirtZ 1 year ago
And for those who didn't know how to do it, NOW YOU DO!!
monkeymanjp 1 year ago
Well, thieves didn't know about this till now...... but thanks to this story, they are all in line to buy a used one.. lol..
kamalot77 1 year ago 45
@kamalot77 Good people didn't, either. And i do want to believe those outnumber the thieves.
VCat2006 1 year ago
@kamalot77 They already knew.
Shining a light on problem like this is always better than keeping it in the dark. We all need to be made and kept aware of stuff like this.
gbCerberus37 1 year ago
@kamalot77 sorry bro..i do security for a living..well known issues in our industry too..if it makes it to the media...we have been screaming about it for months if not YEARS. The new generation of multifunction machines provide all kinds of good info and avenues to break into a network..
steelbreeze420 1 year ago
@kamalot77
haha...you really dont believe that do you?
i certainly dont!...i had $5000- stolen from my bank account just last week.
the smart crooks have known all the places where you can get personal info for years.
Cre8iveSignWorks 1 year ago
They have known this for years, now the general public (at least the ones that care to pay attention) know. A lot of corporations know about it but they think the company they lease from will wipe it clean when they take the old unit off site - the company they lease from is worried about a buck and cleaning the machine costs time and many times hardware. I have a machine from an Ikon lease that I can read all sorts of HIPAA info from right now - it will be cleaned before I sell it.
rhblakeman 1 year ago
The scary thing is that this is something we can't control. Our insurance companies our credit card companies, the credit reporting agencies themselves as well as EVERY company we deal with all have copy machines that could contain our information on them.
lliillaahayes 1 year ago 4
yeah I work on copiers. now my idiot customers are wiping out their hard drives which also contain the operating systems.Thanks for letting all the bad guys know about this too. We wipe hard drives or give them to customers if they request it, or they can buy security software. You get what you pay for.
artemisnfm 1 year ago
@artemisnfm Obviously the customer has an idiot for a repairman who doesn't respect them. Besides, a REAL technician would have a copy of the O/S. And why the hell would I trust an ass like you to do a good job? If I was your customer I'd fire your ass so fast!
evlmcgyver 1 year ago
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moonkaf 1 year ago
I don't see the big deal. All of our "Personal" information is out there, and not just on copy machine hard drives. I am sick and tired of people over reacting to EVERYTHING out there.
zman1974 1 year ago
@zman1974 You don't see the "big deal" because you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm sure you are ignorant because of your age.
evlmcgyver 1 year ago
wow, time for us to clean up our collective acts!
SparklestheClown 1 year ago
Wow - I had no idea! Why does a photocopier need to store info after the print has been made? Seems like a security hazard that never needed to exist.
Alistairville 1 year ago 46
@Alistairville Many copiers these days have document servers as part of their functionality. This feature allows companies to print documents that are stored on the copier from the copier without a computer. Many companies use saved documents to cut down on their need for preprinted forms.
ackatwrk 1 year ago 2
@Alistairville -these are scanned images. Things that are printed are stored in temp memory and then erased.
meechp123 1 year ago
@Alistairville An old style photocopier doesn't, it cant remember any information after its drum loses its charge.
Newer ones though that scan the image and print it similar how to how a printer and scanner work for your home computer, and that means they have to retain a digital copy of the image (Although for the life of me I cant figure why someone had not thought of this and set the hard drive to erase itself after each batch of copies.).
EmperorofCartoons 1 year ago
Because they (digital copiers, not analog ones) are a mix of a computer, printer and scanner and most also have networking and fax. It started with digital laser printers so you could "mopy" copies to free up the PC that sent the job. If you needed 200 copies of a document you sent the job to the printer, it retained it in the HD and went on reproducing. On a copier if you need multiples then you scan once then reprint copies 2 thru whatever from the HD image. An analog copier cant retain a copy
rhblakeman 1 year ago
I get printers and copiers to refurbish and resell all the time and they are loaded with stuff like this. I remove them, run a wipe program to govt specs then reinstall and initialize (like a format) the drive. If it's from a sensitive site the drive is physically destroyed and a new one installed before it's sold. Military near here lets nothing off post with a storage device on it so you have to replace the drive when you buy computers, printers and copiers from them.
rhblakeman 1 year ago
@Alistairville I would say it's somewhere between convenience and big brother (company watching employees). When you're fax scans stuff into memory, to send as you walk off, it has to store it somewhere. That and when it kicks out a "failure" to send, it's from (HD) storage. I can give a good number or reasons, but it's the same thing.
valkem 8 months ago
Only wiping a drive makes it unrecoverable. Wiping a hard drive requires writing to each sector, and take serveral hours on an 80G HDD
bobbin4muffin 1 year ago
Thank you for telling us AND the criminals!!!!
Bertminator 1 year ago
@Bertminator The criminals ALREADY KNOW! This just give our ignorance a chance to get educated and defend ourselves.
evlmcgyver 1 year ago
@evlmcgyver I hear ya. I just sometimes can't help think that the news sometimes educates more criminals...that's all I meant. No harm intended
Bertminator 1 year ago
what they don't tell you is if you look closely all the documents are pdf intentionally scanned into a file storage unit on the copier not just walk up copies stored in the hard drives also in 2 minutes a trained technician can wipe a copier hard drive making it unrecoverable
neorazz 1 year ago
It would be so easy for the manufacturers to have a "clear all data" button.
If I remove and erase (degauss) the drive, will the copier still function correctly?
shawno66 1 year ago
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Spodeboy2006 1 year ago
Seems to me that the warehouse housing and receiving these copiers should have advised the companies from where they originated about the hard drives and given them the option of removing it before being shipped overseas. This, of course, would entail costs that should be paid by the last owner. Just a thought!
gpx897 1 year ago
@gpx897 Why would they need to advise anyone? They are a warehouse and besides, it is the OWNERS responsibility to take precautions, not the BUYER.
evlmcgyver 1 year ago
I've worked in the copier industry for 15 years and have known about this since the 1st digital copier came out in 1999. The video has it right, nobody except the part of the government that handles national security is willing to buy the option to erase the harddrives.
Spodeboy2006 1 year ago
They've turned them into document centers... with e-Filing of forms and common printed documents. Thus the hard drive... to store the blank forms so you can quickly print them. My office uses it for just that purpose. But that convenience has left us open for so much more of a security risk.
jaginaz 1 year ago
@jaginaz: I know, I've seen the bloated capabilities of such machines before, double sided large sheet color printing, color copying, network scanning, PIN codes on a per print job or per user basis, automatic binding or stapling, etc.
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However, IMO, any data belongs in the server/storage park, not on some local harddisk.. I see it as an absolute non-feature, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
loccysmif 1 year ago
@loccysmif If they can come up with a way for the copier to access the files from the server and print them, I'll all for dropping the e-File hard drives. But we've got so many freaking forms (thank you, Government Regulators) that it's much easier to store them at the printer and select and print from there than it is for our employees to weed through directory after directory to find the 1 form someone needs to print. Our employees aren't tech saavy enough to find files on their own LOL.
jaginaz 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This report is somewhat misleading. The numbers they claim show the number of documents on the machine indicate the total number of copies or printouts MADE on the machine, not necessarily STORED on the machine. And in any case as others have been saying, it's pretty easy to wipe the drive without employing a megabuck security company. It's just another piece of scare journalism about something everyone in the tech field already knows.
jaginaz 1 year ago
This report is somewhat misleading. The numbers they claim show the number of documents on the machine indicate the total number of copies or printouts MADE on the machine, not necessarily STORED on the machine. And in any case as others have been saying, it's pretty easy to wipe the drive without employing a megabuck security company. It's just another piece of scare journalism about something everyone in the tech field already knows.
jaginaz 1 year ago
@jaginaz:
Did you miss the part where the narrator says "downloading TENS OF THOUSANDS of documents"?
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List of sex offenders? List of targets from a drug raid? Design plans for a building near Ground Zero? 95 pages of pay stubs? 300 pages of individual medical records? Hardly anybody wipes these machines before selling them, that much is clear. No need to lecture me on the "tech field" btw, because I'm from the "tech field".
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Clearly, you're seriously trivializing a grave issue.
loccysmif 1 year ago
@jaginaz:
By the way, jaginaz, the harddisk pulled out at 0:13 appears to be a Western Digital 40 gigabyte (40 billion bytes in SI decimal GB) harddisk.
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Suppose all copies are 256 color, 600 dpi, letter sized (8.5 * 11) scans. That would take up about ...oh, say 64 kilobyte (approximately 64 thousand bytes) per copy.
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Divide 40,000,000,000 (SI decimal gigabyte) by 65536 (actual 64 kibibyte) and you have storage capacity for about 610,351 documents.
loccysmif 1 year ago
@jaginaz:
Lastly, should my calculations grossly underestimate the file size of a scan, then, taking a large file size per copy scan still probably yields space for tens of thousands of illegally stored documents......as reported in this news item.
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This is a travesty. Not even the police department "degaussed" or even simply did a cat /dev/zero >/dev/sda to the harddisk.
loccysmif 1 year ago
@loccysmif I'm not trivializing the issue... quite the reverse. I too am in the tech field, have known of this issue for quite some time, and have handled it easily by wiping the HDs on all our copiers prior to their return or resale. What I am mocking is that this report makes it sound like it's a new issue that no one has ever known about. I knew about this 4 years ago and have been dealing with destroying people's digital fingerprints ever since
jaginaz 1 year ago
@jaginaz:
Okay, but the big problem is (A) They don't all have you working for them and (B) I don't understand the need for big harddisks in these devices anyhow, except to act as some sort of clandestine law enforcement tool, like so many others that we've seen.
loccysmif 1 year ago
Lol i live in buffalo. and that make me laugh at the police even more.
spremo1415 1 year ago
wow I did not know that
samanthazacktj 1 year ago
I'm wondering where do they get these numbers, security feature cost 500$. They don't want to secure their machines. Programs that can overnight rewrite whole hardrive with random data are opensource, only thing they need to do is update firmware.
NegrJohny 1 year ago
I would consider the social security numbers on those machines a greater risk than the medical records.
johanhammy 1 year ago
Would this apply to a FAX machine?
Don't know if anyone else posted this question and since there are so many comments, not sure!
Ette85 1 year ago
and what os is he using? :D :P yeah ubuntu :D
chaemil72 1 year ago
Great! Let's clue in MORE sheisty criminals on how to be corrupt!
aaronkane7 1 year ago
@aaronkane7 No. Let's clue in more offices on how to be SECURE with my information!! They wouldn't even have access to my info unless the printer/copier leaves the premises.
evlmcgyver 1 year ago
Why are people even making copies anymore? Why doesn't everyone just scan the documents into their computer and not deal with paper at all? Paper is a pain to work with anyways. When it is on a computer you can choose to lock the information so that others can't see it.
kipvaughan 1 year ago
Even scanning stores a copy on the internal HDD of these type of copiers. If you scan something with them, the scan job goes to a "mailbox" where you can retrieve the file once you are back at your desk.
The internal HDD is what it uses as buffer memory.
What I found funny was how the company "developed software" to scrub a disk. hands up all the linux users out there!!...LOL
srhnz67 1 year ago
@srhnz67 @srhnz67 I didn't mean to post it on those kind of copy machines I just meant to use a regular scanner that does nothing but bring the image into the computer. If the information is for you you can file it away in a database if you would have given the info to someone else then just email them or post it on some site that they can go to. Why not just avoid having to work with paper entirely?
kipvaughan 1 year ago
Anyone who has a business should see this. Pass on to ur friends.
debcah 1 year ago
good job media... if this is a risk, it's a lot worse now.
br80 1 year ago
Oh please, it's a 'digital' copier. How did you think it retained information to make multiple copies after scanning the original only once? Little Gremlins with great memories? Relax, if someone is making copies, your information is already public. The only secure information is that which you have never spoken, written or scanned. You can't protect your records, but you can prosecute those who use it to commit crimes.
xswamp 1 year ago
if criminals didn't know about this type of stuff they sure do now.
madrox303 1 year ago
@madrox303 And to make things worse, tens of thousands of copiers have already been sold and are sitting in warehouses or being shipped right now. For everybody who sold a used copier in the last two years or so, it's too late for them to fix it. Maybe they need to hire someone to make a pass through these warehouses and erase drives. (Still think point of resale is a good "safety net" for new drive erasure policies.)
mistertehgrafix 1 year ago
This is so scary because millions of people don't even know, or ever think about this. I know I didn't until I got it forwarded to me from a relative.
luidgat 1 year ago
HOLY CRAP!!! Insane.
AK74inCali 1 year ago
I decided to not watch this video because of the stupid brain washing hair commercial before it.
Anothercoilgun 1 year ago
@Anothercoilgun Isn't it great to have the right, to expect multi-billion-dollar storage and distribution systems and the staff that keep it running and pay out bonus prizes to keep the content coming in, to do all that for free with no inconvenience to you, and never attempt to make a buck off of you in any way? I think it's fantastic.
mistertehgrafix 1 year ago
@Anothercoilgun
I just surf on another website until that garbage ad is done. Youtube shouldn't be going down with other video sites that forces people to see the ads beforehand. Thumbs down for youtube.
davidhalifax 1 year ago
Isn't this common knowledge for any network administrator ? How they alowed a HDD to leave the company without wiping or destroing the HDD's ?
HerrXRDS 1 year ago
@HerrXRDS Exactly! I've owned and operated my computer repair business for 10 years and during that time I've interveiwed hundreds of job applicants with anywhere from 2 to 4 years of college. It's amazing how many people can go to school for that long and still not know squat.
SuperEnoughAlready 1 year ago
@HerrXRDS They were probably like me, had their experience in things that are thought of as "computers" and had no idea the copier had a hard drive. I see it more as a failure of the copier companies. That level of data retention is really crazy and I wouldn't have expected it in a device like that. Like if someone came up and said "you know your monitor retains images from the past two years and can re-display them." I'd be like, wait what?
mistertehgrafix 1 year ago
Every copier should have that feature built in where it wipes the drive clean after each use. But i still dont know how well that works. You can delete things from your own computer hard drive but they're still technically there until you physically destroy the drive
Danklin24 1 year ago
Really, how hard is it to program a button to clear the entire buffer....really....
joelito101 1 year ago
yeah right they just happen to pick the 3 ones that has the most intressting information o,O no im not buying this crap..
Jackas92 1 year ago
Why the hell does it need a hard drive
blackhole522 1 year ago
@blackhole522 Whenever you send a document from your computer to your printer it is spooled [stored] to your hard drive first and then your printer copies it from the image stored on the hard drive.
SuperEnoughAlready 1 year ago
My reaction as a computer scientist is, DUHHH. Man these companies are stupid. To save a few bucks, they'd expose the personal details of all their clients.
dark420bishop 1 year ago
What the hell does a copier need a hard drive for anyway?!?!?? I was one of the 60% that didn't even know about this!
epegoblue 1 year ago
@epegoblue These huge printer/scanner/copiers are networked with dozens of computers at a company and they store [spool] the images of documents to a hard drive to make sure they can keep up with the many request for printed documents. As soon as one document is printed the machine aquires the next document to be printed from the hard drive. Otherwise you would have to wait for hours to get a printout
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zvbxrpl 1 year ago
No, we do not "need a law" to fix consumers being ignorant, forcing people to destroy perfectly good hard drives. It's very easy to wipe this data so it cannot be recovered, just people need to not be stupid.
barwick11 1 year ago
some of these act as networked printers and some render images too. I don't work for a copier manufacturer, but unless you're doing high quality graphic prints, RAM should be cheap enough to install. I suspect hard disk drivers are probably cheaper. If you have a data policy then this should not be an issue. However, you do need to know that the hard drive is there first!
greavesge 1 year ago
@greavesge Hard drives are much cheaper than RAM and significantly reduce the cost of these machines. Also, if there is a power outage or temporary power laspe for even a fraction of a second, everything stored in RAM is instantly lost and cannot be retrieved as opposed to the permanent storage features of a hard drive.Your PC at home first spools your documents to the hard drive before they are printed in most cases.
SuperEnoughAlready 1 year ago
Don't blame the copy machine makers. I've worked in offices where you desperately need to find a record some something copied. It's the responsibility of the copier owner to scrub the hard drive prior to it being resold.
Betsilou 1 year ago
why do they even save this info?.. I see no reason for copy machines to save docs that have been scanned!
wildbill20102012 1 year ago
whats the program lol?
idiotonuni 1 year ago
What's amazing is that these use hard drives at all. They could easily use RAM for that task and completely eliminate the problem. RAM sticks are large enough and cheap enough to store extremely large document queues, completely risk-free, for less than the $500 "auto-wipe" feature. Would also increase reliability and probably speed up the copier.
I don't blame people for not knowing about the drives. I'm a huge techie and had no idea.
mistertehgrafix 1 year ago
@mistertehgrafix What would happen if there were a power outage or the machine were accidentally powered off? Everything stored in RAM would instantly disappear and all documents would be lost. When you have a printing queue with dozens of documents waiting to be printed, that would equal a catastrophe
SuperEnoughAlready 1 year ago
@SuperEnoughAlready Hmm, good point. And adding a small battery for the RAM would just put things back at square one and be less reliable than a hard drive... So hard drives are the right tech for the solution, and the mistake was when companies tried to make money upselling customers on an auto-shred feature that should have been standard. I can't imagine that kind of data retention surviving an actual legal challenge.
mistertehgrafix 1 year ago
@mistertehgrafix "Auto shred feature?" Shredding is something you do to paper or cloth. Do you mean auto delete feature? Anything deleted from a hard drive is easily recoverable with today's software programs and a little know how! You need to edit your YT profile and delete your "network tech" description posted under "occupation!"
SuperEnoughAlready 1 year ago
@SuperEnoughAlready You're correct deleting is easily recoverable. To prevent someone easily retrieving deleted files, you write random numbers over the section of disk the file used to be on. That process is often referred to as "shredding". (Though there are companies that do LITERALLY shred the drive.) To be extra secure you can write random numbers more than once. I'm pretty sure that's what the upsell feature does.
mistertehgrafix 1 year ago
The copy machine manufacturers are the ones at fault for not providing scrubbing software as a standard feature. When a copy machine is to be moved to a new location it should automatically activate the scrubbing software. Even if a copier is moved to another department within a company the data can still be a security risk. There really is no need to destroy the hard drives as that is wasteful, and the software can clear the drives, just like the ones on your computer.
UndisputedBEST 1 year ago
This is one of those WTF moments.....Big Brother is watching heres the proof
shammon1 1 year ago
After having thought about this a few minutes....
MAybe we need a new Gov't Agency to deal with this....
and a new TAX to fund it....
Girdnert 1 year ago
I see some people saying we need a NEW LAW,
THERE IS ENOUGH LAWS, especially ones that don't get enforced
HOW ABOUT A BIT OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, and remove the hard before it is discarded or sold..
Girdnert 1 year ago
He uses Ubuntu !
jeroeniskoning 1 year ago 2
I'd love to know how the copier companies justify this. What do they possibly think is a justification for saving a copy of everything that is copied or printed?
pennstat 1 year ago
Better not have one of those wild office parties. You might find yourself on some website showing it all. lol
ancientmariner1984 1 year ago
nic nového a nafouknutá informace
cz777cooper 1 year ago
Boy, we need to get all ACORN's, SEIU's, Pelosi's, Reid's.....Then maybe we can get some truth out of these crooks.
sandwichh 1 year ago 2
Let's face it. The Consumer Electronics Industry has pretty much had a blank check to make whatever they want to sell. With little or no regard for standards of safety and security. Because of this, I predict the fall of modern civilization, in just a few short years, from runaway security theft. But the rich and powerful are all protected. So who cares about us peasants? Donald Trump and Oprah's millions are safe.
youtub3k 1 year ago
And yet the only HOT news of the day seems only to be about Tiger Woods, the NYC bomber, and the Gulf oil spill. Shouldn't this be moved up to a priority at least as important as Toyota recalls?! Let's start recalling every one of these things, NOW!!! Until they have daily self-wiping routines built in. And file encryption standard, not as an expensive option. Doctors and lawyers are never going to pay more for that.
youtub3k 1 year ago
FIGHT THE MACHINE!
cristianbam 1 year ago
why is there a hard drive to record everything anyway?
brickly77 1 year ago 2