Ferrari 360, Corvette Z06 VS Porsche Cayman S - Trackday

[marshalmathers]

to be fare to the Z06 the track has so many turns whereas the z06 cant handle turns like that at a high speed. If it were a straight way the z06 would shit on the ferrari. Oh and by the way, ARE YOU SERIOUSLY comparing a cayman s to a z06 and a ferrari?!

[MrStrawberrywaffles]

ferrari 355 not 360. If there was a 360 it would have smashed them all!

[Triplethreat600]

Alow me to revamp.

these Italian and german cars are not for everyones flavor.

American cars...especially the Z06 is a designed track car , for a pittance.

add a few FEW mods and its a monster .

nothing is wrong with being pro American.....most people want to live here rather than were you all live.

[Triplethreat600]

I've done trak days.....and when we street race it aint a striaght line.....its a 4 mile

course for a new developement that stalled.

I'm what is right about America...i take their cars and finish them with CO. brtake upgrades suspesion and proper rubber..

You Know how much better a Zo6 runs on PS2 than on runflats.....rival the Zr1 in straightline.......funny how they made a track carbon fiber Zo6 instead of a Zr1

You think i magazine R.i beat more germans than i can remeber

[joeympower]

@Triplethreat600 Its amazing what a decent set of nittos and a proper alignment can do for a z06. I prefer nitto nt05 myself however.

[Triplethreat600]

I've done trak days.....and when we street race it aint a striaght line.....its a 4 mile

course for a new developement that stalled.

I'm what is right about America...i take their cars and finish them with CO. brtake upgrades suspesion and proper rubber..

You Know how much better a Zo6 runs on PS2 than on runflats.....rival the Zr1 in straightline.......funny how they made a track carbon fiber Zo6 instead of a Zr1.

HAve any idea how well the Cts-v rides with better rubber.

[Bhockey179]

The Zo6 is like "GET OUTA MY WAY!!!!"

[MadmanMcNabb]

I own and race/track a Cayman and a modified Corvette. The Corvette does turn faster lap times, but the Porsche is hands down a better made car, period, end of story. (Cayman has better brakes too) Lap times only matter if you're racing; I spend more time behind the wheel of my Cayman on the street. Stop magazine racing too, if you haven't been on track, keep your trap shut.

[speedfight2wrc]

its a ferrari 355

[ljackso]

The Vette V8 power is awesome on the straights BUT the Porsche just zooms in on breaking and cornering! Awesome cars. I want a Boxster S SOOOOO Bad. It will be my next car. 

[ZR1Terror]

I don't know why european people say the Corvette can't handle!! It's handling extremely well.

[drtyfknmouth]

@ZR1Terror Snobbery, plain and simple. & if it beats them on the street/ track, then the build quality isn't up to par with THEIR cars. If it does, then, "the driving experience just isn't as exhilarating." "it's too loud, the styling's too over the top,..." etc. Blow me. You just got beat by a car that costs 1/3 the cost of yours, princess. Deal with it. I'm so sorry our rough old seats pulled the silk in your panties, sir. We DO apologize for that. Here's your 2nd place trophy.

[ZR1Terror]

@drtyfknmouth wow,dude you are getting to wet, I don't think the Z06 guys was trying or was skilled to race, I mean it's more than obvious!!! it's all about the driving skills and a good car, put a good driver on that Z06 and the cayman will not even see the Z06's dust. I mean if they would put me on a Z06 in a track, of course I was gonna let everybody pass me because I have no experience on racing, know what I mean?? or do I have to make it easier on you?

[drtyfknmouth]

@ZR1Terror Try re-reading what I just wrote, and if you don't comprehend sarcasm, let me make it easier for you. I'm arguing FOR the Corvette, and AGAINST all the Euro snobs who constantly get out ran by the Vette, so they have to make every excuse in the world as to why simply being faster than them, the Corvette isn't a good car, in their opinion. I happen to know otherwise, because I happen to own 2 Corvettes myself. That make it easier on YOU?

[ZR1Terror]

@drtyfknmouth hahaha ohh ok, now I see the funny part in your comment!!! good one man

[unknownunknowns]

@drtyfknmouth You can call the overpriced Ferraris and the 911s as 'snobbery' but don't call the Cayman as that since the Cayman S costs $62K and the Z06 Costs $75K

[drtyfknmouth]

@unknownunknowns You can be a snob at any price, pal. Snobbery isn't measured by a dollar amount, it's measured by the amount of vanity, conceit, self-importance, and pompousness you display. There are plenty of proud assholes driving $62K sports cars.

[unknownunknowns]

@drtyfknmouth So, what makes the Cayman a snob compared to the Z06? I mentioned the prices and saw their performances are comparable. If anything, the Z06 is a snob. At least, I care about substance more than vanity. Personally, I think the 911 should be replaced by the Cayman/Boxster as they can performance just as well at a lower priced.

[drtyfknmouth]

@unknownunknowns I think you can read, I'm just not sure your comprehension skills are up to snuff. Go back and re-read my last post. Slower this time. In fact, do it over and over. Keep doing it until you say "OOOOH!", then you're done.

[unknownunknowns]

@drtyfknmouth I read it and you seem to argue about Euro cars being snobs since they cost 3 times more than the 'vette for the same performance which I agree. However, not all Euros are snobs b/c the Cayman seems to be of better value than the 'vette since it has comparable performance, nimbler steering, a well-put interior, and more trunk space (the space in front of the passenger compartment).

[drtyfknmouth]

@unknownunknowns BUT, you can be a snob no matter what your sports car costs. That's my whole point. My ONLY point, here. Look, if you spend about half of what a modest house costs on a sports car, and the only reason you bought said sports car was to play on a track with it, where all the performance shit would even matter, then you start running in the same circles as the majority of snobs. Just look @ youtube. There are TONS of sports car snobs here that don't even OWN a sports car.

[unknownunknowns]

@drtyfknmouth OK, but you were just refering to the Euros as such but not the Corvette also which you seemed to argue FOR.

[drtyfknmouth]

@unknownunknowns I love the vettes! Always have. I own 2, currently. As far as the Euros go, if you spend as much on a vette as you do a Euro (maintainance), the vette will out perform the Euros. I just get sick of hearing the same old shit all the time about the vettes vs Euros. Even way back in 1984, the vette beat Ferrari, Porsche, Lotus, etc in the skid pad right off the showroom floor, then all you hear is European snobs going on & on about how we don't build cars that turn. OK, whatever.

[unknownunknowns]

@drtyfknmouth I like the 'vette, too, as it can perform just as well and have less maintenance at much lower price than the Euros. However, as an exception, I am looking forward to Cayman/Boxster to being upgraded with more power w/o forced induction (a problem for the 911 as engine size in the rear is limited) that sacrifices reliability and meeting the ZR1's match at comparable or lower prices.

[drtyfknmouth]

@unknownunknowns I honestly don't believe that Porsche will ever make them that way, unfortunately. That would absolutely KILL 911 sales, because who would wanna buy one then? And the 911 is such an icon of the Porsche brand, I don't think we'll ever see that kind of thing happen, at least not at the hands of Porsche, themselves. I saw a video on here, somewhere, that had a Cayman with a turbo (maybe even twins, I can't recall) on it, making like 500+ HP. THAT was a cool ass car!

[unknownunknowns]

@drtyfknmouth Then Porsche needs to adapt or DIE!! I am beginning to see a consensus that the Cayman/Boxster are better cars to drive so Porsche should retire the 911 and prop up them to better compete with the Corvette which is better to handle than the 911 at a lower price. Yes, the 911 is an icon and should be a part of history but it should be looking forward into the future and consider the Cayman/Boxster as a revolutionary/evolutionary stage.

[drtyfknmouth]

@unknownunknowns I totally agree with you. Sometimes it's better to let an icon rest before it becomes outdated or bested by a newcomer. It's kind of like watching an old heavyweight boxer who doesn't know when to hang the gloves up, and keeps taking on new blood until they become a joke and ruin there legacy. Nothing worse than seeing that. Nothing says that it can't come back someday. Why not let the Cayman/boxter be the test vehicle to find a better way to bring back the 911 even stronger?

[unknownunknowns]

@drtyfknmouth Speaking of turbos, since the Cayman's wheelbase can be expanded, it can possible house a 5.0L or a flat-8 engine to try to avoid using forced induction as it can make the engine be more unreliable. SPACE is what the 911 lacks since it's in the rear and anything heavier than a 3.8L could fishtail it at a corner forcing Porsche to put turbos. So more performance without sacrificing reliability.

[drtyfknmouth]

@unknownunknowns It's gonna be interesting to see what the new head of Porsche does here. The sky's the limit. There's talk of axing several models, so some revamping of current models, also, isn't out of the question, I don't think. It's exciting to see the changes going on right now in the automotive industry. Some good and some bad, but it's a change. At NO time in the history of the sports car, have they been faster/safer/more powerful/ better than they are right now. Very exciting stuff!

[blackbirdzach]

Wow, I can't believe how nimble your car is in the slow stuff. Excellent driving!

[efrey2]

Your lines are much better than the vettes. I don't think he knows what an apex is. Also the stock GY run flats on the vette are crap. The porshes are much better. Braking on the Caymen is better also. It would be more interesting if the Vette driver was had any skill.

[nannygoat415]

@efrey2 lol. I am not sure the guy has ever even heard the word apex lol

[obZidianZ06]

Plastic corvette? And what, may I ask, is that cayman built our of?

Carbon Fiber, magnesium, aluminum hydro formed space age frame?

Nope! the Z06 is though....

[richardsthom]

and watch it get raped by the 6cyl porsche with half the engine size

[ZR1Terror]

@richardsthom lol, in your dreams kid!!

[richardsthom]

@ZR1Terror not in dreams.. on the screen in front of you

[ZR1Terror]

@richardsthom uhh that never happened

[ZO6Pilot600]

The vette has pefect balnace, its engine sits behind the front axle technically making it not a front engine..... more of a mid front.....but since the tranny is out back its cool 50/50./ Its hobbled by runflats which are great but not the best.

There great if you don't carry a spare wich the vette doesn't....and will still get you 50+ miles on 0 psi

MPS like on the Viper allow for a different machine....Thomas is an Ass.

[ZO6Pilot600]

I'm tired of hearing how bad the Zo6 is Thomas...you have 2 porshes you told me...really? Send me your email..i'll email my machines you email yours...no harm, no worries... contact me privately.

I'll bet my totally augmented Holden Manaro will destroy your porshes in any city type encounter..and hwy.....well that Zo6 territory... and your aprilla.....lets go...my Busa is gassed up and ready...to make 200Mph anytime.

[garrittpwl]

you need to put an exhaust on that cayman; ive watched a couple of your vids now and i don't really care if that car handles; all i hear is the roar of the vs your racing; and damn does it sound good

[geobabalis]

nice driving boys

[Earssss]

but which car cost more hmmm???

[KKD808]

Good driving bro.

[obZidianZ06]

lineveldt:

The z06 is a tank? almost perfect weight distribution, 3100lbs, 505hp 7k RPM SBC GEN. 4 aluminum 427. If you still think that a z06 is a tank, and not able to handle like the cayman S, than I wonder what are you opinions on the GTR? If a z06 is a pig, than a GTR has got to be an oil tanker.

Point is, the driver in the Cayman can drive or knows that track well. And it shows.. but all in all, he couldn't pass the Z06. Case closed.

[richardsthom]

Well, the Cayman has 1/2 the engine, and 2 less cylinders and closed in on the plastic corvette, just shows that how much better the porsche is on the handling front

[ZO6Pilot600]

And a caymen S is how much????

Listen....take you home countries best military equiped battalion....vs a 0 year old US battalion....and we'll stomp you India tech into the stone age...which is were you belong.....its a 427 SBC hanging with the top engines on earth....live with it. And get over the America sucks....We do so much for everyone.... Including your pathetic home country. wow you have stolen nuke knowledge. We made the damn thing.

[FenderUsa]

@ZO6Pilot600 you are everything that is wrong with america

[chefgiovanni]

Great Video! Excellent driver, I agree the Vette is a powerful tank. It could be recycled into 2 Porsches.

Chef Giovanni

[lineveldt]

The mid engined Cayman S is the most underated sports car on the road, Jonasd99 drives it perfectly. The ZO6 is a tank in comparison.

[obZidianZ06]

exactly... the only chance you had to overtake the z06 was when you beat him on the brakes on a that right-hander. It's not the car, its the driver. Though your car IS well balanced, it is a porsche afterall, don't get over yourself, you couldn't pass him.. that's it! Doesn't mean that a spec miata wouldn't blow by both of you... if could and has happened!

Also, loving these typical leaf spring comments, you do know they are transverse, not your typical truck leaf spring. educated yourselves!

[01Z06guy]

Great comment, obZidianZ06! While all three cars in the video are amoung my very favorite cars in the world, the simple fact is the Z06 will set lower lap times than the Caymen S on pretty much any track in the world with equal drivers no matter how small or technical. These two for example:

Vairano Handling Course

Z06= 1:19.523

Caymen S= 1:23.448

Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (pre 06/2008)

Z06= 1:24.45

Caymen S= 1:26.85

[Airox2009]

@01Z06guy

Plus in the German Sport Auto magazine, the Z06 lapped the very twisty Hockenheim Track in 1:11,5, the Cayman S in 1:14,3. Cornering speeds on the Vette were higher too. Z06 just needs a better driver in the vid.

[osirisvb]

Well said

Porsche people need to get over themselves.

[Rennpanzer]

You may be right. If anyone wants to donate one - beit a Carrera GT or a '72 914 - I promise to be totally over myself. In fact, I might even be willing to forget my own name.

[ransisua]

This is bullshit!!!!

Z06 smashed Cayman S in Nürburgring and Top Gear test track

[jonasd99]

No its not bullshit.

Much depends on the the track and the driver. This track has 10 turns in 1.7 miles. If the track was a straight line the corvette would win.

[Zcarbon]

Not only will you never be able to drive either of them, your choosing which is best by the top gear test track, which is anything but correct, Top gear is my favorite show, but its entertainment, not a stat grinding racing show.

[richardsthom]

Of course.. The Nurburgring has massive straights which allow the corvette to make up the distance.. it does have double the capapcity and 2 more cylinders..

And the Top Gear test Track is a power track..wheras this track clearly favours handling at which Porsche is much better

[Kheops63]

that's why Porsche had won soooo many races, good balance, good brakes, high speed at corners exit...and last thing, look at the Vette bounce on every little imperfections on the track: leaf spring are so stiff that they are only good on perfect track! no holes, no bumps, not slippy and no tight corners

[vectraB97]

I heard that the new corvettes corners better than ferarries. I think you are a better driver. also heard that ferarries are harder to drive fast with than the new corvette. you are god driver or he is a bad driver. thats what i tink.. may be I am wrong. but the new corvettes are fast any way. always easyer to drive fast in corners with less speed in to the corner. looks like he is too hard on the breaks.

[vectraB97]

looks like the corvette pulls away out off every corner. playing around the track.

[jonasd99]

the vett has power in the straights. But he holds me up in the corners. I could have more exit speed if he was not in the way. So he needs more HP if he wants to stop me from catching him in every corner.

[dc5636]

but u never passed him...i mean to me it didnt look lke he was blocking ...im just saying

great cars both of them

[jonasd99]

Exactly. He has 500 hp, I have 300 hp. BUT he can't shake me. On the track the CaymanS has '200HP worth of cornering ability.'

[oistein74]

Not on a low speed track like that no, but try to see if you can get a heng on a faster track ;) dont think so...

[alexrex20]

come play with us at TWS and we'll see how well your 300hp does. ;)

[jonasd99]

Let me know when you plan to be at TWS.

Post some vids from your track time there.

Like I have said all along in the straights it just Weight and HP.

But in the video response, here is a vette at TWS that shows HP always wins on the straights. But a Cayman still closes in the corners.

[alexrex20]

with that corvette and that driver, yes the cayman will close it in. don't get me wrong: you're a great driver and i wonder why you don't race hpde-3 or -4, but around a horsepower track like TWS, the 300hp Cayman S can only do so well against an equally skilled driver in a C6Z or other high-hp sports car. your 2:06 lap time indicates as much.

[jonasd99]

I imagine a C6Z would be in the low 1.50's??

Any videos out there??

My mechanic was running 1.59s in my car that day, but he has instructed at TWS for many years.

My 2.06 lap time is more a result of this being my 3rd session ever on this track ccw, my first day to test the new suspension, being too cheap to buy Hoosiers and general driver insecurity.

[GottA911]

See - you shoulda been bumped up to red ;)

[constantinoslinos]

that isnt a 360 its a 355