No matter what you believe in that poor woman standing pulling at her hair over the baby's coffin amongst so many others has to upset you. If there is a god, that god is a sadistic cunt.
BTW, Am I going to burn in hellfire for this comment? :P
Nah! God has enough humor after all to laugh at all of this, it's not as if he ever cared too much. Yet talking about fire and burning, it's my silly and brainwashed fellow Xians who would have burned me on the stake for Halloween.
The interplay between man's will and God's grace is not something that is easily comprehended. When I look at this world and all the suffering in it, I often wonder whether God is there also. But if we choose to throw out the idea of God, we also throw out his commandment to love one another as you do yourself, the golden rule. Atheist may say that man could choose to love, but if there is no higher meaning, how can you persuade someone to care for one another? How can you convince yourself?
@PK1988 I am sorry that this world has hurt you and you have decided to close your ears against any notion of God. Many times, I have been tempted to do likewise. But Christ, our Lord, came to this world and even he did not escape suffering; suffering is a part of life and it is only through suffering that one has a greater appreciation of joy. Atheist tell us that we are in denial, but we say that you are blind; all of creation testify to the glory of God. May God bless you and your family.
@PK1988 By the way.. I don't know if the Church has told you yet, but the bible is not to be taken literally. The creation story, is in fact a story. It is all metaphorical. EVERYTHING in the bible. This is accepted by many religious leaders and such. I go to a catholic high school, and they even teach us that it is all to be taken metaphorically.
God saves the soul who is not rebellious like Lucifer is rebellious. Have a human see bad that the devil does, and be rebellious blaming God is taking the devils side having death in their soul. Doing bad persecuting jailing trying to make one body that dies worse than an other body that dies is taking Satan's side too. zoosexuals, gays, furries,and whoever should be given love beyond understanding. Then Gods light will save that soul. The light unseen in a human giving good will save the soul.
I think, perhaps, the reason ppl criticze and cut down God is becuz they wonder why others seem to hear Him or encounter Him and they do not. It is all about attitude. With the attitude displayed in this video, yes, I would also continue hiding myself from you as well.
There is no attitude in this video - just reality. Not surprising that reality is so repugnant to you that you choose to cover your ears and close your eyes to the harshness of it and then attack people who simply point it out. If you choose to remain willfully ignorant, then so be it, but at least have the integrity to wallow in the mudbath you've made for yourself and stop blaming others for highlighting your choice.
@AcquiredKnowledge I do not understand your reply, it doesn't make much sense. I'm saying that this vid IS covering your ears and eyes. You have to UNCOVER them to hear God. And I fully understand the harshness of reality, I'm a farmer. Not much more reality than that. And no one attacked anybody here besides the attack you made on me 7 min ago. And you are the one being willfully ignorant here, not me. Not sure what u mean by the mudbath and my choice bit. God bless you! =)
@crystalballer7983 I can tell you that as an atheist myself I do not criticize or cut down God because I cant sense him. Its just because I see no reason to believe in him, no real argument, no proof of his existence, besides I just gotta look at the world to realize that most of he violence and hatred out there is based on religious beliefs, its unbelievable so I just think we would be better off without it.
I ponder that million dollar question day in and out but with the logic i have gained over the years and cant find it comprehendable to worship a force that isn't tangible and who has sent my family through various hardships. Yet earlier this week i read a quote that sounded something like "If we were to send a very intelligent scientist to create a universe similar to ours, wouldnt the inhabitants have a god?"
The question of God can be divided into two categories: a God who created everything & has no part in human affairs or inteferes with natural law (deism) or a God who not only does the preceding but cares for people and answers prayers etc. & is "active" (theism). Theism is thoroughly disproven, but even if a deist God existed, what does it matter? The world behaves as if there isn't one, or as if God doesn't have any influence at all in anything.
@AcquiredKnowledge just out of pure curiousity: what about deitheism? i made the word up combining both deism and theism by the way so if that really exist i didnt know i just wanted to know what you think of the idea
I really don't understand what 'deitheism' is supposed to mean. If what you're getting at is a kind of happy medium I'm not sure what the middle ground is.
@SickBroProductions One question: did you ever think about possibly ASKING Himself to make Himself tangible to you? Because if you ask that and really want Him to do so if He DOES exist, He will. I'll warn ya, though, you'll never be the same afterward but if you really wanna know, you could try simply asking. What's the worst that could happen? I mean, you already don't think He exists so what harm could there be in asking Him?
@crystalballer7983 Never did i say that He didn't exist and if i did please quote me now.. I don't shun religion because religion is knowledge. I have read works such as Paradise Lost and am clearly aware of the different faiths around me. All i was simply saying was that YOU nor atheists have an answer that can be set in stone
God created the world perfect; WE rebelled against God and CHOSE SIN as humanity and sin has corrupted the world. God didnt need to, but out of LOVE for us he redeemed us by sending Jesus to take our sin upon Him
Jesus DIED to end death and suffering... if He forced us to love Him wouldnt that be "unfair or unjust?" And if we werent "punished" for the wrong we have done, wouldnt God be considered unjust?
So basically God creates EVERYTHING and knows everything in advance. He creates the earth, creates the garden of eden, creates Adam and Eve, creates the tree of knowledge KNOWING they will eat it and then tells them not (why even put it there?), creates a talking snake KNOWING they will listen to it because of the flaws God programmed into them, and then punishes the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE thereafter for ONE PERSON eating that piece of fruit?! The craziest thing - u call this "just"
@AcquiredKnowledge Not sure if you realize it or not but you just defined free will as one of God's falws in His design. Please give yours up immediately, as it is a flaw by the Creator and you will obviously be more perfect without it. LOL (If u dont understand, He let all this happen because He IS just and lets folks CHOOSE. He doesnt force them to do anything.)
I love god, I love jesus and no one will take that from me . Some of us should really questions are faith am not perfect it's why I ask god to guide me God bless this world may there be clarity to does who don't have faith .
Faith , trust , love is a process that doesn't happend over night but over time .
Why is blind faith, blind submission to an authority that has absolutely no evidence of its existence a virtue? So God gave you a brain so as not to use it? You of course use your critical faculties in every single aspect of ur life expect this. What would u say if I said, "You must have trust, faith in the invisible seahorse that lives in ur hair. He created the universe, and if u question that ur not 'perfect'"
@AcquiredKnowledge If the invisible sea horse answered every single question, request and need that I required of it every day the way God does, then I'd have to ask God who is this invisible sea horse because he seems as amazing as You yet You haven't mentioned Him yet. My point is that you have not the SLIGHTEST idea what you are talking about. You won't believe it but in reality, YOU are the one who is blind. Luckily, one day you will know it as well. Open your eyes, selah
@thomaserossi Unlike Christianity, there is evidence for global warming. Unlike creationism, there is evidence for evolution. Etc, etc. Willful ignorance is still ignorance. It never ceases to amaze me how humans can, based on nothing more than wishful thinking, claim that lies are truth, and that truth is a lie.
@redhat1226 You don't "love" anyone. You're afraid of eternal damnation, and you use this "love" as a "shut-door" way of opposing people different than you, thus enabling you, or so you think, to be a moral and social bigot! It is a license to be biased and lazy ("faith").
One of my SIMPLE arguments is in art. Why do you think christian music sounds so generic, and secular music is rich and vibrant? Because ART must come from within, from TRUE emotion not put-upon and contrived emptiness.
@redhat1226 Be strong and take heart for He is faithful in His longsuffering for those in this decaying world and patient and kind. He will guide you and keep you, do not give the enemy an ear. Continue down the narrow path in faith and love. Peace.
I really don't see the point of this video. Some thought provoking text, shock images from the media and a little Pachelbel. All to say what? With or without God these things will happen. Okay. I figured that out before becoming agnostic. The video is self-evident and doesn't really make a strong point.
All too often I hear the argument that God must exist bcoz of things like trees, beautiful oceans, love, etc.
Do you ever see the point being made that God exists because of all the nature-induced suffering in the world? Ppl with religious mindsets see the world through rose coloured glasses, selectively picking out the good things that happen whilst ignoring most of reality. The point here is, if you believe in God, he must be responsible for suffering too,or doesn't exist.
@AcquiredKnowledge Thanks. Religious folk usually respond this was when confronted by pesky little things like logic and common sense. But if you observe the religious type in his natural habitat you'll find he curses and even (gasp!) damns god too. If one doesn't get a promotion, a loan or if a child dies after god ignores their prayers he's called things you would call your mother. That is the dichotomy a religious person.
@spacecowboy5000 Exactly. So how Godly are religious ppl? Not much. Religion is dangerous: it is a fancy label ppl like to wear to impress their neighbors. True God fearing ppl are hated, persecuted, shunned, homeless, humble, rebuked and the like. Because the world wants nothing to do with God. Religion is not about God, it is about man. (I'm speaking of the man made churchianity modern religion where folks go on Sunday then watch football in the afternoon and get drunk.)
@AcquiredKnowledge Man the only talking animal with death= Satan in their soul, and will curse the gift giver. By reason of Lucifer rebellion wanting more Satan is getting his wish in men that die, and men that die without the spirit of God in them will curse God even as Satan will curse God. That is the war between Satan, and God. Men however seek blood in war with Satan who is death in the soul of the warmonger. Curse God, and or deny him, and be on the side of death for Satan does the same.
@AcquiredKnowledge Humans that curse God wanted it this way,and God in men can help it to be better. look at the good living things God has given us. Then look at the dead things man makes with his hands. We would have nothing without Gods living gifts. Man has Lucifer in him wanting more killing the gifts God gave thinking he is geting more. Blame man, and humble your sinful body that dies. Do that, and save the soul in that body that dies, and metamorphosis into a human saying good things.
@kobidobidog thank you and amen to what you said. But it is worthless, they will not hear you. It is Him who has blinded them, as I'm sure you already know. And since it is from Him, it is irreversible. I think it is good to still witness to them, though. That way, at least they were witnessed to and we can testify that we attempted to witness what we could. May the Spirit be with you.
@crystalballer7983 Those humans need go into their room, and close the door, and with all of their heart, soul, and strength seeking God, and then resist the one you, and I know of,and things will change for them giving good, and not what they give right now. The tender compassionate love of God yearning for humans to come to him is in you. Gods spirit is in me,and also in you. I can only hope that humans beholding the character of Jesus in you will be changed into his image.
@AcquiredKnowledge Religion is satanic, sir. Meant to confuse ppl like u, to keep you from God. We're not talking about religion. Religion is a man made thing. We're talking about a relationship with our Creator. What your saying is calling your relationship to your parents a 'religion'. Doesn;t make sense. All those folks in churches practicing 'religion' don't have a clue who God is either. It's a deception from Satan. But I've said more than you will grasp.
@AcquiredKnowledge You are seeing the devil, and not God at all. God is the one who gives good things to us. Humans constantly use those gifts,and they are free. Humans put a price on them.
@AcquiredKnowledge The human animal us that accepted what Lucifer wanted,and that was more. Humans dragged the world down into the degradation that we see. I even know how to help humans have a better life even with the bad that is in it. Humans down play it, but it is good. A good kind of Chiropractic, best if used now, practitioners on upcspine. U,C,S,only. Grostic, and NUCCA are good for the very young. All that are living would be wise to utilize that care.
@AcquiredKnowledge Humans asked for the bad thinking they would be like a god. Man is the only animal bold enough to open his mouth against God equaling what comes out of his back side. The non human animals are smarter from the get go to not do that. Humans are like Lucifer who was given every good gift,and yet complain like a spoiled brat wanting more. The more we think we get is from what God already gave us. Our sinful body won't accept life in it unless the body kills it.
@AcquiredKnowledge Ah, now you've hit the nail on the head. You're starting to see the bigger picture even though yo do not realize it yet. =) Keep in mind that the greatest suffering He ever passed upon anyone was His own Son, whom willingly recieved it as well, I might add. Suffering is key in all this. It is when we suffer together that brings us closer. That's why soldiers in a platoon become brothers: they have suffered together. God suffers greater than all of us combin
I was obv being sarcastic. My point was that these attributes you admire such as love, compassion, and kindness are nothing without God. I can't believe you would allude to a correlation between education and compassion. The Nazi's were very educated. Whites were perhaps more educated than African slaves and American Indians when we raped and murdered them. I ask dear sir where was our compassion then? I fear the ones who say they know things more than those who accept they don't.
On what basis do you say, "love, compassion and kindness are nothing without God?" a) u have no prove of this entities existence, let alone that those attributes, and ONLY those attributes, are the responsibility of said entity. Funny how 'God' never takes responsibility for greed, hatred, violence etc. which are also human expressions.
When I say educated I mean learned, capable of critical thinking; not swallowing whatever someone elses tells them & simply being a cog...
@AcquiredKnowledge You can't prove anything either. Can you prove that tomorrow the sky will be blue? You may assume it will be because that's all it has been but you don't know. You have to take it on faith. You can't even prove that 1+1 will equal 2. Are you sure that deep down when you said uneducated you didn't mean anyone who does not share your particular opinion on reality. Be honest with yourself.
Re the sky being blue tmw, I believe u already answered ur question. Yes, we all assume that, but our assumption is an EDUCATED one, based on EVIDENCE. There is no faith applied here. We have absolutely no reason to believe it will be any different (BTW, the sky itself isn't 'blue', the upper atmosphere appears blue due to diffraction of light from the sun). So yes, there are things we can say we 'know' bcoz we have evidence for them.
Your ideas of Gods & angels etc. are based on NOTHING.
...in the wheel, which unfortunately is what our education system is like.
"I fear the ones who say they know things more than those who accept they don't".
I couldn't agree more with you there. You don't know there's a God anymore than those who say they know fairies exist, and yet, do you fear religious people? I suspect you are one.
@AcquiredKnowledge Did you ever think that possibly people believe He exists because they KNOW He exists? How do I know that YOU exist? I've never seen you. I've never met you. Yet I am certain you EXIST because you have an account here on utube and are posting comments, both things which a human body is required to perform. Just because you have never encountered God does not mean He doesn not exist. As far as Him showing you He exists, I just asked Him to do so. Expect Him.
Why should we feel sorry for these people? The world is over populated anyway, so if they continue to die, we might get to a reasonable number.
Also, much of the suffering is from poorer and less educated areas around the world. If we allow them to die, we can reproduce from a more evolved gene pool with less mutations and disease. Seems like a logical way to advance our species.
"The world is over populated anyway, so if they continue to die, we might get to a reasonable number."
There's some moral thinking. Let's start by getting rid of you; how bout it, take a bullet for the human race? No need for any of us to feel sorry for you of course...
"...we can reproduce from a more evolved gene pool with less mutations and disease".
I think u'll find there's a strong correlation between having an education & having human compassion.
i believe in everything scientists have discovered and verified including the fact that god didn't create humans and instead we were evolved into a multicellular being. But i do NOT believe god should be taken out of today's beliefs, for it gives many people a good will to live by.
Even if such a belief is the justification and cause of so much crime against humanity, so much violence, prejudice, suppresses the freedoms of women and prevents human society from growing up? There is a very stark distinction between believing in A god (or some prime mover), and believing in the defined gods of monotheistic religion.
religion stole the love for one another and gave it to a book to a telepathic father that loves means kneeing before him and killing each other.if you really think miracles happen because of god doing super natural things.he can do anything why not make superman real,why superman because the god of the bible is real he could make superman real.think in realm of god, super natural and the bible what makes you think you are not disconnected from reality at this very moment in your life or forever
For what? You´ve just declared that all righteous acts of ´doing good´is simply God telling us to do so. Why then do you not apply the same logic to why people do bad things? Shouldn´t ´God´ be claiming the responsibility of that too?
Sorry for taking so long to reply. It's abvious your right, man wears religeon like a mask to make him feel holy and riteouse, when he is anything but. Religeon won't save us, only life in Christ will.
Jesus replied, If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. John 14:23 also Jn. 15: 9-11
If your not afraid to try something new, then try Him.
@smileyking96 I think when people consider the idea of there being no god, they're thinking more about the effects of belief in god. Not the existence of god himself
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. Romans 8:20-23 None of us now knows why God works the way He does but that is why he is God. I thank God for the life He's given me and want to know Him more.
"None of us now knows why God works the way He does but that is why he is God"
No one knows why 'God' works the way He does because no one knows if God even exists. Ever notice how God never directly appears, such that people ALWAYS have to speak on his behalf, and most of the time "God's message" from Fred contradicts "God's message" from Asaf?
Man made God in his own violent, ignorant image, not the othe way around.It's as plain as day.Don't make a mystery where there isn't any
God's work is not finished yet. This world is just a stage in His creation, with a much higher goal in mind. This imperfect world is in the process that God is using to bring about His new creation. Everything that is not of His righteousness is dust in the wind, it will soon be gone. God has called us to be His Children. He has made a way (through the death and Resurrection of His son) for us to be righteous and to live with Him forever.
So what is the point of putting "His children" in an imperfect world to suffer? If you think He's got a "higher goal in mind" or a "new creation", why does it take him time to build this better world? Isn't he God? Isn't he perfect, and can do anything whenever he wants?
What you are suggesting now is that God has limitations, or is purposefully making people suffer simply for the fun of it. It has to be one or the other, so which is it?
get past the first chapter before your mind will want to explode. haha. Try and read the sample of the book (scroll to the middle /Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0684834936#reader_0684834936
@bigjamesian Do you think starving children have joy when they hope to find food the next day? Do you think mothers of children born with terrible disabilities have joy because they hope the doctors will find a cure? Do you think cancer patients have joy when they hope they survive chemotherapy? Your statement is false and your grammar is terrible.
Ironically...I think most of these examples are evidence that nature works much better than we do. We keep trying to salvage specimens that are to be destroyed, by default. If we have any intention of "curing" anything, it must be genetic, because if the initial flaw can still be passed on to offspring, treatment was a waste of resources. Of course, all this means I DON'T believe in any gods, but nature's a ruthless bitch, and I like her that way.
Unfortunately, I don't think the argument this video makes will convince any believers. All one has to say in response is: "Well, God created/engineered the world to be perfect, and all these 'flaws' in Creation come from our sin and fallen nature."
The irrational can always find a way to justify itself, to the satisfaction of the irrational mind...
I anticipation of this response of blaming human nature for the worlds ills, I specifically only included things that are not under control of mankind i.e. natural disasters such as floods, earthquakes etc., genetic diseases that do not arise from individual sin but are there from birth...all of which humans have no influence over. But you're right; I'm always amazed at how much the religious mind bends to justify such imperfections from a perfect diety.
The concept of God exsists... no one can dispute that - in fact without it, this video would not exsist.
The thing is, the innate desire to beleive in something illogical and something beyond instictive behaviour is what makes us human. A world without "God" cannot exsist alongside a world WITH humankind.
[btw i'm agnostic (not religious in any way though) so i'm hopefully not bias]
Well obviously the CONCEPT of God exists otherwise we couldn't have a conversation about it (I hope I didn't come across as trying to refute something that obvious, I fail to see your point in telling me that...)
Similarly, u know what I mean when I say 'unicorn', 'dragon', 'magic' - does that automatically mean all those supernatural words have a basis in reality too? Humans have vivid imaginations and biasly tend to believe things that sound good to them or comforts them.
@AcquiredKnowledge Unlike dragons, unicorns and other mystical creatures, God has very much become imprinted on the world and its history... your video suggests that a world without God would be far better off (and yes it would - though only because "God" is a part of human nature, it is mankind that have damaged the world; so perhaps 'A world without humans' is more fitting and less offensive).
i.e. your idea is impossible and irrelevant because it could never happen so long as we exsist
"God has very much become imprinted on the world and its history"
The concept of one has, yes, unfortunately I agree with u which is why I made the vid. I think u may be missing the point here tho. My point was to show that this world behaves exactly as if there were no divine, supervising authority, making belief in God incompatible. As for God being part of human nature - that's debatable. More and more ppl are leaving this childishness behind, which is hope for us.
@AcquiredKnowledge I'll debate the 'undebatable' - the desire to follow something and to beleive in something supernatural runs in all of us (most of us), I would certainly argue that it's a very human quality. If we did not possess this quality (which is what I am suggesting IS the impact of "God" on the world) then the world would be different... but once again, my point: (see the 'i.e.' section from my last comment). I can't be arsed to type it out again :)
"something supernatural runs in all of us (most of us)"
Well, which is it? Most of us, or all of us? Obviously not everyone believes this crap, and not everyone did. So while it can be generally seen as a strong desire SOME/MOST humans have (i.e. to create an imaginary friend in the sky), that doesn't mean it is endemic to humanity forevermore. Knowledge dispels this kind of ignorance, and rising figures in disbelief reflect that. I guarantee u that if religious instruction...
@AcquiredKnowledge Your telling me that you have no inkling in the back of your head, no curious thought, no wonderings whatsoever, that there may be more to the universe than meets the eye? I think the wisest thing anyone can accept is that nothing is proven, there is strong evidence for many things, but to understand that the strongest of your beleifs or the most compelling of you theories may be wrong, is the real fight against ignorance.
"there may be more to the universe than meets the eye"
Of course! I think we're on par here in that I completely acknowledge we may be wrong, and skeptism is what's necessary to fight off ignorance. What bothers me tho is that it's a fair assumption to say u do not say that to religious ppl u meet, do u? Ur condemnation or voice of disapproval is only against those like me who state the rational conclusion rather than indulge in ppl's wishful and dangerous beliefs...
@AcquiredKnowledge I don't think you should look down on someone for simply beleiving in something... you fighting against religion and telling people that they shouldn't beleive in it, or suggesting that religion is entirely bad/corrupt/evil etc is just as ignorant as a religious man telling you that they are right.
"I don't think you should look down on someone for simply beleiving in something."
No, neither do I. Let me put it this way - if the world was majority Buddhist I wouldn't be making videos to refute them. That belief is relatively private and benign and while I don't agree with it's claims, I am able to live my life unfettered by Buddhist belief. Not so for Judeao-Christian monotheism. The very foundation of those religions condemns those who don't believe it too...
..it promotes "us vs them" mentality, is one of the greatest divisions in society and spreads prejudice. Those beliefs are intolerant of each other and those like me who r unbelievers. I'm sorry, but I have to say u have a very candy-apple view of religion, and while most 'moderates' just attend church on Sunday, what are the moderates to say when more faithful (i.e. extremist) ppl who DO read their holy texts, word for word, and start killing ppl? They can't, and don't, say a...
damn thing. Read the Bible, read the qu'ran. There's commandments and divine mandates in there that should make u ashamed to ever rever them. Then look at the blood-stained history of religious conquest all over Europe, south-east asia, africa, india etc. - the violence done is not in the name of religion, or an abuse of religious teaching, it is a direct consequence of religion ITSELF. And this disingenuous & stupid violence continues today thru 9/11, the ongoing threat of...
..."terrorism" (i.e. Islam), and thousands of children have been raped by Catholic priests and what happens to them and those in the Vatican that cover them up? Absolutely nothing. he world looks the other way bcoz it's someone's "religion", and the 1.2 billion catholics around the world who attend church every week say NOTHING, nor does it dent their servility to such a perverse institution. Of course some have rebelled and I applaud them for it. I hope u see now what I stand for.
..in the supernatural. Atheists don't BELIEVE in a God; the religious claim to KNOW there is one. Who is the group that needs restraint here? U seem to imply that religious beliefs deserve a certain kind of respect..well, I'm sorry, they don't. When ppl are killed, children abused, lies spread, science halted, free enquiry attacked and prejudice induced in human society by religion it more than justifies the lack of respect it inherently invites.
@AcquiredKnowledge I know many religious people that are perfectely nice... I think your verging on steriotyping here. And no, I would never suggest that - respect is earned by the individual (I would never say that belonging to a group of people or possessing a certain beleif by itself demands respect)
...was not preached to ppl until their late teens, it would very quickly die off. Religious figures know this, which is why they, for eg, baptise children as soon as they're born.(also why they attend a building every week to reinforce their faith). I am quite confident in saying that if ppl didn't have religion and/or the belief in God rammed down their throats from the moment of birth or early childhood it would not take hold on society. Instead it would be rightly laughed at.
@AcquiredKnowledge I know people that have begun worshiping "God" after the age of thirty... there are exceptions. And if anything your extending my point, mankind is what is wrong, not the ideas they have. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... i'm sure "God" is good for people in ways also.
"mankind is what is wrong, not the ideas they have"
Can u disassociate mankind from their ideas? Of course not. Beliefs are the most powerful motivator for all actions. To quote Steven Weinberg: "With or withut religion, good ppl will do good and bad ppl will do bad. But for good ppl to do bad; that takes religion". Religion was our first and worst attempt at understanding the world, and has been proven flat out wrong. Moreover, it demands immoral actions. It needs to go.
@AcquiredKnowledge And i'm not trying to suggest that you should beleive in "God" (i'm not a beleiver either) - just saying that ignorance may lie in atheism as well as christianity.
"ignorance may lie in atheism as well as christianity."
Atheism is not a religion. U r no doubt an atheist when it comes to fairies. Do u seriously think ur 'afairism' is an ignorant position? No. No evidence, no reason to believe. It's just that simple. That's what it means to be a rational, thoughtful individual rather than someone who believes anything they're told, or anything that makes them feel good. We don't claim to KNOW anything-the religious do, and with no evidence!
@AcquiredKnowledge That was not my point... I never disputed the lack of evidence in the beleif of "God", I merely said that your suggestion that the world would be a better place without it, was ignorant and wrong. (everything has its pros and cons)
And simply because there is no evidence doesn't mean it is therefore not true - we have no logical means of either proving or disproving "God", that's why I remain agnostic.
"agnostic" is a non-term. Remember we r talking about BELIEFS here, not certain knowledge (we both agree no one knows for certain either way). U either believe there's a supernatural supervising entity or u don't. To say u're agnostic is to say, "I don't even know what I believe". It's a nonsensical diplomatic position u adopt so as not to 'offend' the unfounded positive claim of religious ppl by saying u don't agree with them. U live ur life not believing in fairies correct?
@AcquiredKnowledge Yes I understand what the term means. Though what I myself beleive is irrelevant (though I do not beleive in a divine being as such, I will say that much). My points are merely that religion does both good and evil - as do humans.
And none of us "know" whether there is or isn't a divine being... I am just simply admitting it.
the footage us you used in this vid was taken from this world which you are saying is taken from the world with god, according to you, so even if did happen in the other world itsn o worse than wot goes on with the world with god
The point I am making here is that the world we see around us is exactly what you would expect to see if there were no divine supervising authority who cared about us and controlled anything at all. Hence, a world without god. Or, if you like, a world with a god who couldn't care less about any of us and who doesn't interfere in our lives - which, again, is indistinguishable from a world without a god.
@AcquiredKnowledge i understand you point however, as there is no proof of divine authority in this world, you are gonna have to accept that this is a world without god unless proved otherwise.
religion is the war... if they were the same religion they would have peace ....witch.. religion is write ..dont no but religion controls minds and if you kill the ones that are not your religion then your religion can take over...if there were no religion just the belief in god what ever you call him cus he has a thousand names....then people will share...and talk things out...religion is = crips ..bloods ect..kill for the power of being the majority =money' ..power..respect.ect
Good video. Don't worry one day science and reason will put an end to this madness. It may be millions of years from now, but it'll happen one day. Because eventually everyone not just some, is going to wake up and realize that no god is going to pull them out of the mess their in.
this mother theresa is kinda the btich i wanna laugh right into her face... i mean they are the best pervs on the planet... you bitchslap em right in their face and they say "thanks god" ..well i dont care^^
Firstly I would like to see them make a better human body.Secondly. THEEE MOST BASIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.WE LIVE IN A FALLEN WORLD.Yes bad things happen to everyone. Peter the closest desiple of Jesus got crusified upside down. The bible never said that belivers would have it easy.
Finally if at one point the world was made perfect by god. it's not anymore. Thats why Jesus died for us. belive what you want but don't bash christianity if you don't know it's most basic teachings.
"I would like to see them make a better human body"
That's not the point. God is supposed to be perfect and made us, "in His own image". If even we lowly humans can pick up on the obvious faults in 'design', then that's something YOU have to deal with as a believer in a perfect creator.
"Thats why Jesus died for us"
Doing so hasn't stopped God sending devasting earthquakes, eruptions, diseases etc. so what's your explanation for that? How is God "loving" by doing this to us?
Did you even read my post? if at once we were perfect we are not anymore for we live in a fallen world.
God is not doing shit to us. We live in a fallen world so things happen. You get struke by lightning it's not becuase your being punished. It's becuase you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jesus died so that even if we die phiscally we will still have eternal life.
Again BASIC doctrine.
Also if god exsists so does the Satan you can't forgett his hand too.
"You get struke by lightning it's..becuase you were in the wrong place at the wrong time"
Couldn't agree more! Exactly right. God doesn't do shit bcoz there is no God, or a God who doesn't care. But according to you a supreme being with COMPLETE CONTROL over heaven & earth does exist, and permits these things to happen. To pass it off as, "we live in a fallen world", is pathetic. God makes the rules doesn't he? Why doesn't he just fix it so it isn't 'fallen' anymore?
Because we are fallen. When humanity sinned we gave the earth over to evil, sin and Satan. In order for god to just "Fix" everything he would have to first force humans to be rightouse and perfect. And that goes against free will. So if tommrow the world was perfect all it would take for it to all fall to hell is for one person to lie, cheat think an evil thought. We are doomed from birth. But there is hope. Jesus
I am aware of your "basic doctrine" "my friend". U have just shown how ridiculous, inconsistent & immoral this doctrine is. First, this 'original sin' is simply eating a piece of fruit which, incidently, was described as the "knowledge of good and evil" - so Adam & Eve had no idea what was bad or good BEFORE eating it. Second, you say ALL ppl need to suffer or be punished for this supposed crime. Is it right to condemn YOU to prison for crimes ur father commited?...
@AcquiredKnowledge Origanal sin is more than "Just eating friut." It is listening to the temptations of the devil. By obeying the devil we gave him power. And no you do not know basic doctrine. Adam did know not to eat the friut and so did eve.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Clearly they knew what death was. Yet they became greedy wanting to be gods and ate the friute
NO. "We" didn't do anything. I didn't do anything.YOU didn't do anything. Neither did the BILLIONS of ppl that exist today nor the BILLIONS upon BILLIONS that existed before, except 2 ppl (Adam and Eve).Yet you feel it's just that EVERYONE be punished, poisoned or stained with original sin bcoz of the conscious actions of two individuals who didn't even know right from wrong in the first place! Read ur Bible-"tree of knowledge of good & evil"
"for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Adam & Eve didn't die. So God lied to them too. And no, they wouldn't have known what death was bcoz they had no knowledge of that or experienced it at all! The Bible is so incredibly incoherent and contradictory the ONLY way u can be comfortable with it is to ignore huge chunks of it or twist things around to make them sound "good".
Um yes they did die. or atleast they started to. Growing old or ageing is the process of deing. And yes They would of known of death. they were atleast smart enough to know it was bad thing after all why would God warn them of something they knew not. Even if he did not tell them about death he still said.
Don't eat cause bad things will happen.
and they still ate
Why would god need to lie about that? What would he gain? He's god
One more thing. God wants to show the Angels, the whole univerce the results of sin and disobeidiance. Imagen earth as one big show so the whole universe will see and never again attemped sin. Incase your wondering killing Satan out right would cause us and the angels to live in fear of god. Instead of loving him. He must first show them and us the concisquences of sin before finally putting an end to Satan. In short God is literally on trial.
...to stain innocent ppl with the consequences of sins commited by others is IMMORAL, and if any court today tried to do that there would be moral outrage. Fourth, you seem to be claiming Satan is more powerful than your God (not much of a god then). Fifth, and this is key, evolution has conclusively, based on factual evidence, DISPROVED your whole talking snake in the garden myth. So your fairytales of "fallen worlds" and "angels" and "demons" r just that - fairytales.
Sigh... Have you sinned before? Then you are giulty regardless of adam and eve. If you somehow lived a perect life you would go striaght to hevaen. Not even death would claim you. No doubt we are more likely to sin thanks to them. But it is still our choice. God does not punish us for thier sins but our own. Is it possible to live perfectly? Enoch did it. So did Elisha both of whom did not die. For us however, Jesus washes our sin. not enought words to finish my thought
Yes, I've sinned b4. So yes I am guilty as u say, OF MY OWN ACTIONS. U still hold the premise that we should all be stained with original sin for what OTHERS did, and therefore there's a fallen world, therefore there's natural disasters that kill us indiscrimently etc. This is immoral crap, which you now have to face and explain why God allows these things to happen and kills us whenever he feels like it for no reason. I'm sure 250,000 Haitians did not all deserve to die did they?
Now now who stained us with original sin? The bible never said we were turned evil by god when adam sinned. You seem to be saying that God created humans to be inclined to sin after the fall. This is not true so I agree with you in that Niether me or you should have to live in a world Adam and eve started. But we do that is Satans plan and it worked. To get all humans to suffer thanks to two is his greatest achievment. Again this is why Jesus is SOOO important :part two
The 2500000 Haitians like you and me like all men who have sinned are doomed to eternal death. Did they deserve the earthquake? all men have fallen short of the glory of god.
Note however that I do not talk of phisicall death. you keep saying that many people die in this world but. What is death to god but sleep? Can he not raise them up when he wishes? He will in the second coming. Nay what is most important is not phisical death but spiritual death. WERE WILL YOUR SOULBE
"Did they deserve the earthquake? all men have fallen short of the glory of god."
You've revealed a very dark part of urself here and the very reason I detest religion so much. U can't even bring urself to be honest about ur own feelings on the matter, and simply palm off ur own morality and say, "well, God did it THEREFORE its good and just". U have chosen to be an unthinking slave, it's as simple as that.
My answer is no, they didn't deserve to be violently killed....
Man I have so much more to say so don't respond yet. your questions are good and while Enjoy talking with you. This word limit is stoping me from fully exsplaining my points. Which will lead to you misunderstanding me. How about we Pm each other instead of clogging up the comments :)
...and it's very disturbing to me that you seem to think they ALL deserved death for, what, telling a lie? Coverting their neighbours goods? (which includes other ppl's wives btw and covertness is essentially the backbone of our economy!). For working on a Sunday? Again I stress - the fact that u choose to kiss the feet of such a horrible dictator rather than stand up and say, "no, that's wrong" reveals how slavish u really r. Feel free to PM me if u want to continue :)
So basically you praise the manevolent being that injects you with poison, without consulting you and without you personally doing a single thing to deserve it, and then simultaneously offers you a cure for it. This shows just how slavish you are and how dishonest u r in wanting to kiss the feet of this cruel dictator just bcoz ur afraid of ur own death & eternal punishment.
'Fallen world' my ass. The only thing 'fallen' is ur integrity.
What? I think you miss understand my post. Here's an exsample. Someone commints a crime. the punishment for it is death. Jesus who is with out sin dies in our place so we may live.
Where on earth do you get the idea of injecting any one with poison from? Any way this is off topic. The point I am trying to make is actually know the bible. only then can you ctritisize it. This whole video did not take into account not even half of what christianity actually teaches.
Whether or not God's existence can be objectively proved is irrelevant to the situations presented. The world is obviously not perfect - nor should "God" be the one to make it so. Not all of what you see is what you get. Not that long ago it was believed the world was flat and the centre of the universe, and Galileo’s discovery of gravity was ridiculed. There are natural forces at play which cause things to happen and just because they happen certainly doesn’t disprove the existence...
"The world is obviously not perfect - nor should "God" be the one to make it so"
Why not? According to religious theology, God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent - the only being capable BY DEFINITION of sustaining a 'perfect' world for us and yet God chooses to send regular floods, earthquakes, viral plagues, daily genetic diseases, volcanic eruptions etc. etc. And ppl still worship the being that BY DEFINITION could prevent all this but chooses not to.
.@AcquiredKnowledge ur coming from a religious angle rather than a spiritual angle. Religion is just another man-made concept to control (in some cases) the vulnerable public. God is a subjective concept free to be interpreted by those with an understanding of spirituality to know that God is not a physical being sitting in the clouds waiting to fix every person’s problems. Perhaps if you opened your eyes and mind you could understand why people believe in a god.
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No matter what you believe in that poor woman standing pulling at her hair over the baby's coffin amongst so many others has to upset you. If there is a god, that god is a sadistic cunt.
watsinyrwallet 6 days ago
Everyone is in a big debate to long to notice that baby coffin :(
watsinyrwallet 1 week ago
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watsinyrwallet 1 week ago
I believe in God, I really do; Christ is savior!
However, I am also convinced he's an incompetent.
BTW, Am I going to burn in hellfire for this comment? :P
Nah! God has enough humor after all to laugh at all of this, it's not as if he ever cared too much. Yet talking about fire and burning, it's my silly and brainwashed fellow Xians who would have burned me on the stake for Halloween.
deutschbuch30 2 weeks ago
The interplay between man's will and God's grace is not something that is easily comprehended. When I look at this world and all the suffering in it, I often wonder whether God is there also. But if we choose to throw out the idea of God, we also throw out his commandment to love one another as you do yourself, the golden rule. Atheist may say that man could choose to love, but if there is no higher meaning, how can you persuade someone to care for one another? How can you convince yourself?
PK1988 1 month ago
@PK1988 I am sorry that this world has hurt you and you have decided to close your ears against any notion of God. Many times, I have been tempted to do likewise. But Christ, our Lord, came to this world and even he did not escape suffering; suffering is a part of life and it is only through suffering that one has a greater appreciation of joy. Atheist tell us that we are in denial, but we say that you are blind; all of creation testify to the glory of God. May God bless you and your family.
PK1988 1 month ago
@PK1988 By the way.. I don't know if the Church has told you yet, but the bible is not to be taken literally. The creation story, is in fact a story. It is all metaphorical. EVERYTHING in the bible. This is accepted by many religious leaders and such. I go to a catholic high school, and they even teach us that it is all to be taken metaphorically.
moneyismagic101 1 month ago
Beautifully made video.
BluSkyeLine 1 month ago
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God saves the soul who is not rebellious like Lucifer is rebellious. Have a human see bad that the devil does, and be rebellious blaming God is taking the devils side having death in their soul. Doing bad persecuting jailing trying to make one body that dies worse than an other body that dies is taking Satan's side too. zoosexuals, gays, furries,and whoever should be given love beyond understanding. Then Gods light will save that soul. The light unseen in a human giving good will save the soul.
kobidobidog 2 months ago
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kobidobidog 2 months ago
I think, perhaps, the reason ppl criticze and cut down God is becuz they wonder why others seem to hear Him or encounter Him and they do not. It is all about attitude. With the attitude displayed in this video, yes, I would also continue hiding myself from you as well.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@crystalballer7983,
There is no attitude in this video - just reality. Not surprising that reality is so repugnant to you that you choose to cover your ears and close your eyes to the harshness of it and then attack people who simply point it out. If you choose to remain willfully ignorant, then so be it, but at least have the integrity to wallow in the mudbath you've made for yourself and stop blaming others for highlighting your choice.
AcquiredKnowledge 2 months ago 9
@AcquiredKnowledge I do not understand your reply, it doesn't make much sense. I'm saying that this vid IS covering your ears and eyes. You have to UNCOVER them to hear God. And I fully understand the harshness of reality, I'm a farmer. Not much more reality than that. And no one attacked anybody here besides the attack you made on me 7 min ago. And you are the one being willfully ignorant here, not me. Not sure what u mean by the mudbath and my choice bit. God bless you! =)
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@crystalballer7983 I'm pretty sure that most of the people who don't believe in God, don't believe in God because it's the logical thing to do.
IDontLikeAltRock 2 months ago
@crystalballer7983 I can tell you that as an atheist myself I do not criticize or cut down God because I cant sense him. Its just because I see no reason to believe in him, no real argument, no proof of his existence, besides I just gotta look at the world to realize that most of he violence and hatred out there is based on religious beliefs, its unbelievable so I just think we would be better off without it.
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CowLunch 1 week ago
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@crystalballer7983 It's not too late to accept reality into your mind.
CowLunch 1 week ago
option three: humans are complete dipshits.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
Im always back and forth on this subject..
I ponder that million dollar question day in and out but with the logic i have gained over the years and cant find it comprehendable to worship a force that isn't tangible and who has sent my family through various hardships. Yet earlier this week i read a quote that sounded something like "If we were to send a very intelligent scientist to create a universe similar to ours, wouldnt the inhabitants have a god?"
SickBroProductions 2 months ago
@SickBroProductions,
The question of God can be divided into two categories: a God who created everything & has no part in human affairs or inteferes with natural law (deism) or a God who not only does the preceding but cares for people and answers prayers etc. & is "active" (theism). Theism is thoroughly disproven, but even if a deist God existed, what does it matter? The world behaves as if there isn't one, or as if God doesn't have any influence at all in anything.
AcquiredKnowledge 2 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge just out of pure curiousity: what about deitheism? i made the word up combining both deism and theism by the way so if that really exist i didnt know i just wanted to know what you think of the idea
chraven45 2 months ago
@chraven45,
I really don't understand what 'deitheism' is supposed to mean. If what you're getting at is a kind of happy medium I'm not sure what the middle ground is.
AcquiredKnowledge 2 months ago
@SickBroProductions One question: did you ever think about possibly ASKING Himself to make Himself tangible to you? Because if you ask that and really want Him to do so if He DOES exist, He will. I'll warn ya, though, you'll never be the same afterward but if you really wanna know, you could try simply asking. What's the worst that could happen? I mean, you already don't think He exists so what harm could there be in asking Him?
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@crystalballer7983 Never did i say that He didn't exist and if i did please quote me now.. I don't shun religion because religion is knowledge. I have read works such as Paradise Lost and am clearly aware of the different faiths around me. All i was simply saying was that YOU nor atheists have an answer that can be set in stone
SickBroProductions 2 months ago
Well the world is already without a god, since such a being doesn't even exist so.
Blasthood 3 months ago
everybody forgets about the aful wrongh doing people have dont in the name of religoun hundreds of hanging and peole burned at the stake!
gaararocksON 3 months ago
I could of done without the loud static stuff, but your point is beautifully made.
BreakTheSkyMyseIf 3 months ago
@BreakTheSkyMyseIf,
Point well taken, and thanks for the compliment :)
AcquiredKnowledge 3 months ago
God created the world perfect; WE rebelled against God and CHOSE SIN as humanity and sin has corrupted the world. God didnt need to, but out of LOVE for us he redeemed us by sending Jesus to take our sin upon Him
bigfoot6teen 4 months ago
Jesus DIED to end death and suffering... if He forced us to love Him wouldnt that be "unfair or unjust?" And if we werent "punished" for the wrong we have done, wouldnt God be considered unjust?
bigfoot6teen 4 months ago
@bigfoot6teen,
So basically God creates EVERYTHING and knows everything in advance. He creates the earth, creates the garden of eden, creates Adam and Eve, creates the tree of knowledge KNOWING they will eat it and then tells them not (why even put it there?), creates a talking snake KNOWING they will listen to it because of the flaws God programmed into them, and then punishes the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE thereafter for ONE PERSON eating that piece of fruit?! The craziest thing - u call this "just"
AcquiredKnowledge 4 months ago 13
@AcquiredKnowledge no, i call it an incorrect account on your part. you have the wrong information.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Not sure if you realize it or not but you just defined free will as one of God's falws in His design. Please give yours up immediately, as it is a flaw by the Creator and you will obviously be more perfect without it. LOL (If u dont understand, He let all this happen because He IS just and lets folks CHOOSE. He doesnt force them to do anything.)
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@bigfoot6teen Well said and thank you.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
I love god, I love jesus and no one will take that from me . Some of us should really questions are faith am not perfect it's why I ask god to guide me God bless this world may there be clarity to does who don't have faith .
Faith , trust , love is a process that doesn't happend over night but over time .
blessings
redhat1226 5 months ago
@redhat1226,
Why is blind faith, blind submission to an authority that has absolutely no evidence of its existence a virtue? So God gave you a brain so as not to use it? You of course use your critical faculties in every single aspect of ur life expect this. What would u say if I said, "You must have trust, faith in the invisible seahorse that lives in ur hair. He created the universe, and if u question that ur not 'perfect'"
AcquiredKnowledge 5 months ago 3
@AcquiredKnowledge If the invisible sea horse answered every single question, request and need that I required of it every day the way God does, then I'd have to ask God who is this invisible sea horse because he seems as amazing as You yet You haven't mentioned Him yet. My point is that you have not the SLIGHTEST idea what you are talking about. You won't believe it but in reality, YOU are the one who is blind. Luckily, one day you will know it as well. Open your eyes, selah
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge - You described the Cult of Global Warming perfectly.
thomaserossi 1 month ago
@thomaserossi Unlike Christianity, there is evidence for global warming. Unlike creationism, there is evidence for evolution. Etc, etc. Willful ignorance is still ignorance. It never ceases to amaze me how humans can, based on nothing more than wishful thinking, claim that lies are truth, and that truth is a lie.
TheCarpetninja 1 month ago
@redhat1226 You don't "love" anyone. You're afraid of eternal damnation, and you use this "love" as a "shut-door" way of opposing people different than you, thus enabling you, or so you think, to be a moral and social bigot! It is a license to be biased and lazy ("faith").
One of my SIMPLE arguments is in art. Why do you think christian music sounds so generic, and secular music is rich and vibrant? Because ART must come from within, from TRUE emotion not put-upon and contrived emptiness.
MircelousGrimm 4 months ago
@redhat1226 Be strong and take heart for He is faithful in His longsuffering for those in this decaying world and patient and kind. He will guide you and keep you, do not give the enemy an ear. Continue down the narrow path in faith and love. Peace.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@crystalballer7983 " ... Continue down the narrow path ... ".
No thank you. I will take a wide a path as possible, learn as much as I can and hopefully manage to pass some of it on to future generations.
St00sh13 1 month ago
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redhat1226 5 months ago
I really don't see the point of this video. Some thought provoking text, shock images from the media and a little Pachelbel. All to say what? With or without God these things will happen. Okay. I figured that out before becoming agnostic. The video is self-evident and doesn't really make a strong point.
spacecowboy5000 6 months ago
@spacecowboy5000,
All too often I hear the argument that God must exist bcoz of things like trees, beautiful oceans, love, etc.
Do you ever see the point being made that God exists because of all the nature-induced suffering in the world? Ppl with religious mindsets see the world through rose coloured glasses, selectively picking out the good things that happen whilst ignoring most of reality. The point here is, if you believe in God, he must be responsible for suffering too,or doesn't exist.
AcquiredKnowledge 6 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Thanks. Religious folk usually respond this was when confronted by pesky little things like logic and common sense. But if you observe the religious type in his natural habitat you'll find he curses and even (gasp!) damns god too. If one doesn't get a promotion, a loan or if a child dies after god ignores their prayers he's called things you would call your mother. That is the dichotomy a religious person.
spacecowboy5000 6 months ago
@spacecowboy5000 Exactly. So how Godly are religious ppl? Not much. Religion is dangerous: it is a fancy label ppl like to wear to impress their neighbors. True God fearing ppl are hated, persecuted, shunned, homeless, humble, rebuked and the like. Because the world wants nothing to do with God. Religion is not about God, it is about man. (I'm speaking of the man made churchianity modern religion where folks go on Sunday then watch football in the afternoon and get drunk.)
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
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kobidobidog 5 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Man the only talking animal with death= Satan in their soul, and will curse the gift giver. By reason of Lucifer rebellion wanting more Satan is getting his wish in men that die, and men that die without the spirit of God in them will curse God even as Satan will curse God. That is the war between Satan, and God. Men however seek blood in war with Satan who is death in the soul of the warmonger. Curse God, and or deny him, and be on the side of death for Satan does the same.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
@kobidobidog,
"death...curse...die...die...curse...war...blood...war...death...warmonger...curse...death"
Your religion sounds so peaceful.
AcquiredKnowledge 5 months ago
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kobidobidog 5 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Humans that curse God wanted it this way,and God in men can help it to be better. look at the good living things God has given us. Then look at the dead things man makes with his hands. We would have nothing without Gods living gifts. Man has Lucifer in him wanting more killing the gifts God gave thinking he is geting more. Blame man, and humble your sinful body that dies. Do that, and save the soul in that body that dies, and metamorphosis into a human saying good things.
kobidobidog 5 months ago 2
@kobidobidog thank you and amen to what you said. But it is worthless, they will not hear you. It is Him who has blinded them, as I'm sure you already know. And since it is from Him, it is irreversible. I think it is good to still witness to them, though. That way, at least they were witnessed to and we can testify that we attempted to witness what we could. May the Spirit be with you.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@crystalballer7983 Those humans need go into their room, and close the door, and with all of their heart, soul, and strength seeking God, and then resist the one you, and I know of,and things will change for them giving good, and not what they give right now. The tender compassionate love of God yearning for humans to come to him is in you. Gods spirit is in me,and also in you. I can only hope that humans beholding the character of Jesus in you will be changed into his image.
kobidobidog 2 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Religion is satanic, sir. Meant to confuse ppl like u, to keep you from God. We're not talking about religion. Religion is a man made thing. We're talking about a relationship with our Creator. What your saying is calling your relationship to your parents a 'religion'. Doesn;t make sense. All those folks in churches practicing 'religion' don't have a clue who God is either. It's a deception from Satan. But I've said more than you will grasp.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge You are seeing the devil, and not God at all. God is the one who gives good things to us. Humans constantly use those gifts,and they are free. Humans put a price on them.
kobidobidog 2 months ago
@kobidobidog,
"God is the one who gives good things to us"
So what entity gave us cancer and everything else we deem to be bad, such as natural disasters?
AcquiredKnowledge 2 months ago
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@AcquiredKnowledge The human animal us that accepted what Lucifer wanted,and that was more. Humans dragged the world down into the degradation that we see. I even know how to help humans have a better life even with the bad that is in it. Humans down play it, but it is good. A good kind of Chiropractic, best if used now, practitioners on upcspine. U,C,S,only. Grostic, and NUCCA are good for the very young. All that are living would be wise to utilize that care.
kobidobidog 2 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Humans asked for the bad thinking they would be like a god. Man is the only animal bold enough to open his mouth against God equaling what comes out of his back side. The non human animals are smarter from the get go to not do that. Humans are like Lucifer who was given every good gift,and yet complain like a spoiled brat wanting more. The more we think we get is from what God already gave us. Our sinful body won't accept life in it unless the body kills it.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Ah, now you've hit the nail on the head. You're starting to see the bigger picture even though yo do not realize it yet. =) Keep in mind that the greatest suffering He ever passed upon anyone was His own Son, whom willingly recieved it as well, I might add. Suffering is key in all this. It is when we suffer together that brings us closer. That's why soldiers in a platoon become brothers: they have suffered together. God suffers greater than all of us combin
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
I was obv being sarcastic. My point was that these attributes you admire such as love, compassion, and kindness are nothing without God. I can't believe you would allude to a correlation between education and compassion. The Nazi's were very educated. Whites were perhaps more educated than African slaves and American Indians when we raped and murdered them. I ask dear sir where was our compassion then? I fear the ones who say they know things more than those who accept they don't.
RegularSmith 7 months ago
@RegularSmith,
On what basis do you say, "love, compassion and kindness are nothing without God?" a) u have no prove of this entities existence, let alone that those attributes, and ONLY those attributes, are the responsibility of said entity. Funny how 'God' never takes responsibility for greed, hatred, violence etc. which are also human expressions.
When I say educated I mean learned, capable of critical thinking; not swallowing whatever someone elses tells them & simply being a cog...
AcquiredKnowledge 7 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge You can't prove anything either. Can you prove that tomorrow the sky will be blue? You may assume it will be because that's all it has been but you don't know. You have to take it on faith. You can't even prove that 1+1 will equal 2. Are you sure that deep down when you said uneducated you didn't mean anyone who does not share your particular opinion on reality. Be honest with yourself.
RegularSmith 7 months ago
Re the sky being blue tmw, I believe u already answered ur question. Yes, we all assume that, but our assumption is an EDUCATED one, based on EVIDENCE. There is no faith applied here. We have absolutely no reason to believe it will be any different (BTW, the sky itself isn't 'blue', the upper atmosphere appears blue due to diffraction of light from the sun). So yes, there are things we can say we 'know' bcoz we have evidence for them.
Your ideas of Gods & angels etc. are based on NOTHING.
AcquiredKnowledge 7 months ago
@RegularSmith proof that 1+1=2: I can't put a link in the comment but a google search will find it in 10 seconds.
Please do research before discussing issues.
St00sh13 1 month ago
...in the wheel, which unfortunately is what our education system is like.
"I fear the ones who say they know things more than those who accept they don't".
I couldn't agree more with you there. You don't know there's a God anymore than those who say they know fairies exist, and yet, do you fear religious people? I suspect you are one.
AcquiredKnowledge 7 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Did you ever think that possibly people believe He exists because they KNOW He exists? How do I know that YOU exist? I've never seen you. I've never met you. Yet I am certain you EXIST because you have an account here on utube and are posting comments, both things which a human body is required to perform. Just because you have never encountered God does not mean He doesn not exist. As far as Him showing you He exists, I just asked Him to do so. Expect Him.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
Why should we feel sorry for these people? The world is over populated anyway, so if they continue to die, we might get to a reasonable number.
Also, much of the suffering is from poorer and less educated areas around the world. If we allow them to die, we can reproduce from a more evolved gene pool with less mutations and disease. Seems like a logical way to advance our species.
RegularSmith 7 months ago
@RegularSmith,
"The world is over populated anyway, so if they continue to die, we might get to a reasonable number."
There's some moral thinking. Let's start by getting rid of you; how bout it, take a bullet for the human race? No need for any of us to feel sorry for you of course...
"...we can reproduce from a more evolved gene pool with less mutations and disease".
I think u'll find there's a strong correlation between having an education & having human compassion.
You have neither.
AcquiredKnowledge 7 months ago
i believe in everything scientists have discovered and verified including the fact that god didn't create humans and instead we were evolved into a multicellular being. But i do NOT believe god should be taken out of today's beliefs, for it gives many people a good will to live by.
davies11223 7 months ago
@davies11223,
Even if such a belief is the justification and cause of so much crime against humanity, so much violence, prejudice, suppresses the freedoms of women and prevents human society from growing up? There is a very stark distinction between believing in A god (or some prime mover), and believing in the defined gods of monotheistic religion.
AcquiredKnowledge 7 months ago
@davies11223 How come I can live a moral and inspired life without religion then?
JarethGT 2 months ago
@JarethGT thats easy. Because you make and approve of your own morals.
crystalballer7983 2 months ago
religion stole the love for one another and gave it to a book to a telepathic father that loves means kneeing before him and killing each other.if you really think miracles happen because of god doing super natural things.he can do anything why not make superman real,why superman because the god of the bible is real he could make superman real.think in realm of god, super natural and the bible what makes you think you are not disconnected from reality at this very moment in your life or forever
IMINTHEMOMENTRU 8 months ago
God is in whoever loves all doing good to all. The human animal that wears clothing wanted it to be this way . Man needs to repent,and not God.
kobidobidog 8 months ago
@kobidobidog,
"Man needs to repent,and not God"
For what? You´ve just declared that all righteous acts of ´doing good´is simply God telling us to do so. Why then do you not apply the same logic to why people do bad things? Shouldn´t ´God´ be claiming the responsibility of that too?
AcquiredKnowledge 8 months ago 4
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Anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 1 John 4:20
:kill them in front of me.' Luke 19:10-27 (Read the whole parable)
If we want Him we must value Him above all els. Everything outside of God's love and life is in self distruct mode.
We all have to go through suffering, pain, and death, but may we find "Him" true limitless life. If we miss "Christ" we miss everything
natandrewf 8 months ago
Sorry for taking so long to reply. It's abvious your right, man wears religeon like a mask to make him feel holy and riteouse, when he is anything but. Religeon won't save us, only life in Christ will.
Jesus replied, If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. John 14:23 also Jn. 15: 9-11
If your not afraid to try something new, then try Him.
natandrewf 8 months ago
@natandrewf,
And what does Jesus say if you DON'T love him?
"if anyone doesn't wish me to be king over them, bring them before me and slay them before me"
Luke 19:27
If you don't leave your entire family behind, have no money and no possessions then you are not worthy of heaven
Matthew 19:28-29
If you love your parents more than him you aren't worthy of him
Matthew 10:34
Jesus says that those who don't love him are damned to suffer for all eternity. You think this is moral teaching?
AcquiredKnowledge 8 months ago 3
@AcquiredKnowledge FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT. religion teaches that WORSHIP ME AND BE MY BITCH OR U R A BAD PERSON
drifter402 8 months ago
@drifter402,
So well put and so true. And when you point that out to religious people they wholeheartly agree. Slaves who are proud of their chains.
AcquiredKnowledge 8 months ago
The thing is, we don't know if God exists in the first place, so this could be the world without God. Regardless, many wars are fought over religion.
smileyking96 8 months ago
@smileyking96 I think when people consider the idea of there being no god, they're thinking more about the effects of belief in god. Not the existence of god himself
Goose2343 7 months ago
@Goose2343 But wouldn't a person have to belive in God to actually have that belief?
smileyking96 7 months ago
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. Romans 8:20-23 None of us now knows why God works the way He does but that is why he is God. I thank God for the life He's given me and want to know Him more.
natandrewf 8 months ago
@natandrewf,
"None of us now knows why God works the way He does but that is why he is God"
No one knows why 'God' works the way He does because no one knows if God even exists. Ever notice how God never directly appears, such that people ALWAYS have to speak on his behalf, and most of the time "God's message" from Fred contradicts "God's message" from Asaf?
Man made God in his own violent, ignorant image, not the othe way around.It's as plain as day.Don't make a mystery where there isn't any
AcquiredKnowledge 8 months ago
God's work is not finished yet. This world is just a stage in His creation, with a much higher goal in mind. This imperfect world is in the process that God is using to bring about His new creation. Everything that is not of His righteousness is dust in the wind, it will soon be gone. God has called us to be His Children. He has made a way (through the death and Resurrection of His son) for us to be righteous and to live with Him forever.
natandrewf 8 months ago
@natandrewf,
So what is the point of putting "His children" in an imperfect world to suffer? If you think He's got a "higher goal in mind" or a "new creation", why does it take him time to build this better world? Isn't he God? Isn't he perfect, and can do anything whenever he wants?
What you are suggesting now is that God has limitations, or is purposefully making people suffer simply for the fun of it. It has to be one or the other, so which is it?
AcquiredKnowledge 8 months ago
Yeah life is tough. The only ones who have JOY during survival, is those with HOPE.. Check this out: gnmagazine case-against-evolution
Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0684834936
get past the first chapter before your mind will want to explode. haha. Try and read the sample of the book (scroll to the middle /Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0684834936#reader_0684834936
bigjamesian 10 months ago
@bigjamesian Do you think starving children have joy when they hope to find food the next day? Do you think mothers of children born with terrible disabilities have joy because they hope the doctors will find a cure? Do you think cancer patients have joy when they hope they survive chemotherapy? Your statement is false and your grammar is terrible.
Controversialize 8 months ago
Ironically...I think most of these examples are evidence that nature works much better than we do. We keep trying to salvage specimens that are to be destroyed, by default. If we have any intention of "curing" anything, it must be genetic, because if the initial flaw can still be passed on to offspring, treatment was a waste of resources. Of course, all this means I DON'T believe in any gods, but nature's a ruthless bitch, and I like her that way.
OriginalTharios 10 months ago 2
Unfortunately, I don't think the argument this video makes will convince any believers. All one has to say in response is: "Well, God created/engineered the world to be perfect, and all these 'flaws' in Creation come from our sin and fallen nature."
The irrational can always find a way to justify itself, to the satisfaction of the irrational mind...
shantih433 10 months ago
@shantih433,
I anticipation of this response of blaming human nature for the worlds ills, I specifically only included things that are not under control of mankind i.e. natural disasters such as floods, earthquakes etc., genetic diseases that do not arise from individual sin but are there from birth...all of which humans have no influence over. But you're right; I'm always amazed at how much the religious mind bends to justify such imperfections from a perfect diety.
AcquiredKnowledge 10 months ago
i see a world without god every time i open my eyes.
i feel sorry for all those children who died because their parents were religious.
i feel sorry for all those unthanked doctors when the patients thank "god".
i feel sorry for the millions of people slaughtered during the christian crusades.
i feel sorry for the thousands of people who died in the 9/11 muslim bombing.
i feel sorry for mankind.
DemoraX 10 months ago 19
@DemoraX,
Very well said, the sentiment is very mutual.
AcquiredKnowledge 10 months ago
Everybody lives in own world, I have been selected the world which have presence of God, therefore we are foreign... :)
metehan1881 10 months ago
@metehan1881 I have no idea what you were trying to convey in your message.
Controversialize 8 months ago
The concept of God exsists... no one can dispute that - in fact without it, this video would not exsist.
The thing is, the innate desire to beleive in something illogical and something beyond instictive behaviour is what makes us human. A world without "God" cannot exsist alongside a world WITH humankind.
[btw i'm agnostic (not religious in any way though) so i'm hopefully not bias]
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
Well obviously the CONCEPT of God exists otherwise we couldn't have a conversation about it (I hope I didn't come across as trying to refute something that obvious, I fail to see your point in telling me that...)
Similarly, u know what I mean when I say 'unicorn', 'dragon', 'magic' - does that automatically mean all those supernatural words have a basis in reality too? Humans have vivid imaginations and biasly tend to believe things that sound good to them or comforts them.
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Unlike dragons, unicorns and other mystical creatures, God has very much become imprinted on the world and its history... your video suggests that a world without God would be far better off (and yes it would - though only because "God" is a part of human nature, it is mankind that have damaged the world; so perhaps 'A world without humans' is more fitting and less offensive).
i.e. your idea is impossible and irrelevant because it could never happen so long as we exsist
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
"God has very much become imprinted on the world and its history"
The concept of one has, yes, unfortunately I agree with u which is why I made the vid. I think u may be missing the point here tho. My point was to show that this world behaves exactly as if there were no divine, supervising authority, making belief in God incompatible. As for God being part of human nature - that's debatable. More and more ppl are leaving this childishness behind, which is hope for us.
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge I'll debate the 'undebatable' - the desire to follow something and to beleive in something supernatural runs in all of us (most of us), I would certainly argue that it's a very human quality. If we did not possess this quality (which is what I am suggesting IS the impact of "God" on the world) then the world would be different... but once again, my point: (see the 'i.e.' section from my last comment). I can't be arsed to type it out again :)
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
"something supernatural runs in all of us (most of us)"
Well, which is it? Most of us, or all of us? Obviously not everyone believes this crap, and not everyone did. So while it can be generally seen as a strong desire SOME/MOST humans have (i.e. to create an imaginary friend in the sky), that doesn't mean it is endemic to humanity forevermore. Knowledge dispels this kind of ignorance, and rising figures in disbelief reflect that. I guarantee u that if religious instruction...
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Your telling me that you have no inkling in the back of your head, no curious thought, no wonderings whatsoever, that there may be more to the universe than meets the eye? I think the wisest thing anyone can accept is that nothing is proven, there is strong evidence for many things, but to understand that the strongest of your beleifs or the most compelling of you theories may be wrong, is the real fight against ignorance.
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
"there may be more to the universe than meets the eye"
Of course! I think we're on par here in that I completely acknowledge we may be wrong, and skeptism is what's necessary to fight off ignorance. What bothers me tho is that it's a fair assumption to say u do not say that to religious ppl u meet, do u? Ur condemnation or voice of disapproval is only against those like me who state the rational conclusion rather than indulge in ppl's wishful and dangerous beliefs...
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge I don't think you should look down on someone for simply beleiving in something... you fighting against religion and telling people that they shouldn't beleive in it, or suggesting that religion is entirely bad/corrupt/evil etc is just as ignorant as a religious man telling you that they are right.
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
"I don't think you should look down on someone for simply beleiving in something."
No, neither do I. Let me put it this way - if the world was majority Buddhist I wouldn't be making videos to refute them. That belief is relatively private and benign and while I don't agree with it's claims, I am able to live my life unfettered by Buddhist belief. Not so for Judeao-Christian monotheism. The very foundation of those religions condemns those who don't believe it too...
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon
..it promotes "us vs them" mentality, is one of the greatest divisions in society and spreads prejudice. Those beliefs are intolerant of each other and those like me who r unbelievers. I'm sorry, but I have to say u have a very candy-apple view of religion, and while most 'moderates' just attend church on Sunday, what are the moderates to say when more faithful (i.e. extremist) ppl who DO read their holy texts, word for word, and start killing ppl? They can't, and don't, say a...
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon
damn thing. Read the Bible, read the qu'ran. There's commandments and divine mandates in there that should make u ashamed to ever rever them. Then look at the blood-stained history of religious conquest all over Europe, south-east asia, africa, india etc. - the violence done is not in the name of religion, or an abuse of religious teaching, it is a direct consequence of religion ITSELF. And this disingenuous & stupid violence continues today thru 9/11, the ongoing threat of...
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon
..."terrorism" (i.e. Islam), and thousands of children have been raped by Catholic priests and what happens to them and those in the Vatican that cover them up? Absolutely nothing. he world looks the other way bcoz it's someone's "religion", and the 1.2 billion catholics around the world who attend church every week say NOTHING, nor does it dent their servility to such a perverse institution. Of course some have rebelled and I applaud them for it. I hope u see now what I stand for.
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
..in the supernatural. Atheists don't BELIEVE in a God; the religious claim to KNOW there is one. Who is the group that needs restraint here? U seem to imply that religious beliefs deserve a certain kind of respect..well, I'm sorry, they don't. When ppl are killed, children abused, lies spread, science halted, free enquiry attacked and prejudice induced in human society by religion it more than justifies the lack of respect it inherently invites.
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge I know many religious people that are perfectely nice... I think your verging on steriotyping here. And no, I would never suggest that - respect is earned by the individual (I would never say that belonging to a group of people or possessing a certain beleif by itself demands respect)
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
...was not preached to ppl until their late teens, it would very quickly die off. Religious figures know this, which is why they, for eg, baptise children as soon as they're born.(also why they attend a building every week to reinforce their faith). I am quite confident in saying that if ppl didn't have religion and/or the belief in God rammed down their throats from the moment of birth or early childhood it would not take hold on society. Instead it would be rightly laughed at.
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge I know people that have begun worshiping "God" after the age of thirty... there are exceptions. And if anything your extending my point, mankind is what is wrong, not the ideas they have. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... i'm sure "God" is good for people in ways also.
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
"mankind is what is wrong, not the ideas they have"
Can u disassociate mankind from their ideas? Of course not. Beliefs are the most powerful motivator for all actions. To quote Steven Weinberg: "With or withut religion, good ppl will do good and bad ppl will do bad. But for good ppl to do bad; that takes religion". Religion was our first and worst attempt at understanding the world, and has been proven flat out wrong. Moreover, it demands immoral actions. It needs to go.
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge No you can't disassociate... hence my point, that a world without "God" is impossible in a world WITH humans.
Without religion there would be something else people fight over... tis human nature.
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge And i'm not trying to suggest that you should beleive in "God" (i'm not a beleiver either) - just saying that ignorance may lie in atheism as well as christianity.
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
"ignorance may lie in atheism as well as christianity."
Atheism is not a religion. U r no doubt an atheist when it comes to fairies. Do u seriously think ur 'afairism' is an ignorant position? No. No evidence, no reason to believe. It's just that simple. That's what it means to be a rational, thoughtful individual rather than someone who believes anything they're told, or anything that makes them feel good. We don't claim to KNOW anything-the religious do, and with no evidence!
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge That was not my point... I never disputed the lack of evidence in the beleif of "God", I merely said that your suggestion that the world would be a better place without it, was ignorant and wrong. (everything has its pros and cons)
And simply because there is no evidence doesn't mean it is therefore not true - we have no logical means of either proving or disproving "God", that's why I remain agnostic.
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
@LiamDaLemon,
"agnostic" is a non-term. Remember we r talking about BELIEFS here, not certain knowledge (we both agree no one knows for certain either way). U either believe there's a supernatural supervising entity or u don't. To say u're agnostic is to say, "I don't even know what I believe". It's a nonsensical diplomatic position u adopt so as not to 'offend' the unfounded positive claim of religious ppl by saying u don't agree with them. U live ur life not believing in fairies correct?
AcquiredKnowledge 11 months ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Yes I understand what the term means. Though what I myself beleive is irrelevant (though I do not beleive in a divine being as such, I will say that much). My points are merely that religion does both good and evil - as do humans.
And none of us "know" whether there is or isn't a divine being... I am just simply admitting it.
LiamDaLemon 11 months ago
My Pazuzu Trilogy explores the consequence of a godless world.
Visit pazuzu.yolasite.com
Ishkott 1 year ago
the footage us you used in this vid was taken from this world which you are saying is taken from the world with god, according to you, so even if did happen in the other world itsn o worse than wot goes on with the world with god
T4terrible 1 year ago
@T4terrible,
The point I am making here is that the world we see around us is exactly what you would expect to see if there were no divine supervising authority who cared about us and controlled anything at all. Hence, a world without god. Or, if you like, a world with a god who couldn't care less about any of us and who doesn't interfere in our lives - which, again, is indistinguishable from a world without a god.
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge i understand you point however, as there is no proof of divine authority in this world, you are gonna have to accept that this is a world without god unless proved otherwise.
T4terrible 1 year ago
@T4terrible,
Couldn't agree with you more! I wish all the religious nutjobs would accept your conclusion too.
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
religion is the war... if they were the same religion they would have peace ....witch.. religion is write ..dont no but religion controls minds and if you kill the ones that are not your religion then your religion can take over...if there were no religion just the belief in god what ever you call him cus he has a thousand names....then people will share...and talk things out...religion is = crips ..bloods ect..kill for the power of being the majority =money' ..power..respect.ect
1youngrizzal 1 year ago
Good video. Don't worry one day science and reason will put an end to this madness. It may be millions of years from now, but it'll happen one day. Because eventually everyone not just some, is going to wake up and realize that no god is going to pull them out of the mess their in.
Vospader21 1 year ago
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drrobertoboogie97 1 year ago
@drrobertoboogie97 don't offend gay people like that!
leewolfgang 1 year ago
this mother theresa is kinda the btich i wanna laugh right into her face... i mean they are the best pervs on the planet... you bitchslap em right in their face and they say "thanks god" ..well i dont care^^
SpiritWanderer91 1 year ago
Firstly I would like to see them make a better human body.Secondly. THEEE MOST BASIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.WE LIVE IN A FALLEN WORLD.Yes bad things happen to everyone. Peter the closest desiple of Jesus got crusified upside down. The bible never said that belivers would have it easy.
Finally if at one point the world was made perfect by god. it's not anymore. Thats why Jesus died for us. belive what you want but don't bash christianity if you don't know it's most basic teachings.
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
"I would like to see them make a better human body"
That's not the point. God is supposed to be perfect and made us, "in His own image". If even we lowly humans can pick up on the obvious faults in 'design', then that's something YOU have to deal with as a believer in a perfect creator.
"Thats why Jesus died for us"
Doing so hasn't stopped God sending devasting earthquakes, eruptions, diseases etc. so what's your explanation for that? How is God "loving" by doing this to us?
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
Did you even read my post? if at once we were perfect we are not anymore for we live in a fallen world.
God is not doing shit to us. We live in a fallen world so things happen. You get struke by lightning it's not becuase your being punished. It's becuase you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jesus died so that even if we die phiscally we will still have eternal life.
Again BASIC doctrine.
Also if god exsists so does the Satan you can't forgett his hand too.
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
"You get struke by lightning it's..becuase you were in the wrong place at the wrong time"
Couldn't agree more! Exactly right. God doesn't do shit bcoz there is no God, or a God who doesn't care. But according to you a supreme being with COMPLETE CONTROL over heaven & earth does exist, and permits these things to happen. To pass it off as, "we live in a fallen world", is pathetic. God makes the rules doesn't he? Why doesn't he just fix it so it isn't 'fallen' anymore?
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
Because we are fallen. When humanity sinned we gave the earth over to evil, sin and Satan. In order for god to just "Fix" everything he would have to first force humans to be rightouse and perfect. And that goes against free will. So if tommrow the world was perfect all it would take for it to all fall to hell is for one person to lie, cheat think an evil thought. We are doomed from birth. But there is hope. Jesus
Basic christian doctrine my friend
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
I am aware of your "basic doctrine" "my friend". U have just shown how ridiculous, inconsistent & immoral this doctrine is. First, this 'original sin' is simply eating a piece of fruit which, incidently, was described as the "knowledge of good and evil" - so Adam & Eve had no idea what was bad or good BEFORE eating it. Second, you say ALL ppl need to suffer or be punished for this supposed crime. Is it right to condemn YOU to prison for crimes ur father commited?...
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge Origanal sin is more than "Just eating friut." It is listening to the temptations of the devil. By obeying the devil we gave him power. And no you do not know basic doctrine. Adam did know not to eat the friut and so did eve.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Clearly they knew what death was. Yet they became greedy wanting to be gods and ate the friute
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
"By obeying the devil we gave him power"
NO. "We" didn't do anything. I didn't do anything.YOU didn't do anything. Neither did the BILLIONS of ppl that exist today nor the BILLIONS upon BILLIONS that existed before, except 2 ppl (Adam and Eve).Yet you feel it's just that EVERYONE be punished, poisoned or stained with original sin bcoz of the conscious actions of two individuals who didn't even know right from wrong in the first place! Read ur Bible-"tree of knowledge of good & evil"
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX
PS
"for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Adam & Eve didn't die. So God lied to them too. And no, they wouldn't have known what death was bcoz they had no knowledge of that or experienced it at all! The Bible is so incredibly incoherent and contradictory the ONLY way u can be comfortable with it is to ignore huge chunks of it or twist things around to make them sound "good".
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
Um yes they did die. or atleast they started to. Growing old or ageing is the process of deing. And yes They would of known of death. they were atleast smart enough to know it was bad thing after all why would God warn them of something they knew not. Even if he did not tell them about death he still said.
Don't eat cause bad things will happen.
and they still ate
Why would god need to lie about that? What would he gain? He's god
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
One more thing. God wants to show the Angels, the whole univerce the results of sin and disobeidiance. Imagen earth as one big show so the whole universe will see and never again attemped sin. Incase your wondering killing Satan out right would cause us and the angels to live in fear of god. Instead of loving him. He must first show them and us the concisquences of sin before finally putting an end to Satan. In short God is literally on trial.
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
...to stain innocent ppl with the consequences of sins commited by others is IMMORAL, and if any court today tried to do that there would be moral outrage. Fourth, you seem to be claiming Satan is more powerful than your God (not much of a god then). Fifth, and this is key, evolution has conclusively, based on factual evidence, DISPROVED your whole talking snake in the garden myth. So your fairytales of "fallen worlds" and "angels" and "demons" r just that - fairytales.
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
Sigh... Have you sinned before? Then you are giulty regardless of adam and eve. If you somehow lived a perect life you would go striaght to hevaen. Not even death would claim you. No doubt we are more likely to sin thanks to them. But it is still our choice. God does not punish us for thier sins but our own. Is it possible to live perfectly? Enoch did it. So did Elisha both of whom did not die. For us however, Jesus washes our sin. not enought words to finish my thought
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
Yes, I've sinned b4. So yes I am guilty as u say, OF MY OWN ACTIONS. U still hold the premise that we should all be stained with original sin for what OTHERS did, and therefore there's a fallen world, therefore there's natural disasters that kill us indiscrimently etc. This is immoral crap, which you now have to face and explain why God allows these things to happen and kills us whenever he feels like it for no reason. I'm sure 250,000 Haitians did not all deserve to die did they?
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
Now now who stained us with original sin? The bible never said we were turned evil by god when adam sinned. You seem to be saying that God created humans to be inclined to sin after the fall. This is not true so I agree with you in that Niether me or you should have to live in a world Adam and eve started. But we do that is Satans plan and it worked. To get all humans to suffer thanks to two is his greatest achievment. Again this is why Jesus is SOOO important :part two
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
The 2500000 Haitians like you and me like all men who have sinned are doomed to eternal death. Did they deserve the earthquake? all men have fallen short of the glory of god.
Note however that I do not talk of phisicall death. you keep saying that many people die in this world but. What is death to god but sleep? Can he not raise them up when he wishes? He will in the second coming. Nay what is most important is not phisical death but spiritual death. WERE WILL YOUR SOULBE
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
"Did they deserve the earthquake? all men have fallen short of the glory of god."
You've revealed a very dark part of urself here and the very reason I detest religion so much. U can't even bring urself to be honest about ur own feelings on the matter, and simply palm off ur own morality and say, "well, God did it THEREFORE its good and just". U have chosen to be an unthinking slave, it's as simple as that.
My answer is no, they didn't deserve to be violently killed....
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
Man I have so much more to say so don't respond yet. your questions are good and while Enjoy talking with you. This word limit is stoping me from fully exsplaining my points. Which will lead to you misunderstanding me. How about we Pm each other instead of clogging up the comments :)
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
...and it's very disturbing to me that you seem to think they ALL deserved death for, what, telling a lie? Coverting their neighbours goods? (which includes other ppl's wives btw and covertness is essentially the backbone of our economy!). For working on a Sunday? Again I stress - the fact that u choose to kiss the feet of such a horrible dictator rather than stand up and say, "no, that's wrong" reveals how slavish u really r. Feel free to PM me if u want to continue :)
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago 4
@AcquiredKnowledge
Ya I will
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
@zlkimagenX,
"But there is hope. Jesus"
So basically you praise the manevolent being that injects you with poison, without consulting you and without you personally doing a single thing to deserve it, and then simultaneously offers you a cure for it. This shows just how slavish you are and how dishonest u r in wanting to kiss the feet of this cruel dictator just bcoz ur afraid of ur own death & eternal punishment.
'Fallen world' my ass. The only thing 'fallen' is ur integrity.
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
@AcquiredKnowledge
What? I think you miss understand my post. Here's an exsample. Someone commints a crime. the punishment for it is death. Jesus who is with out sin dies in our place so we may live.
Where on earth do you get the idea of injecting any one with poison from? Any way this is off topic. The point I am trying to make is actually know the bible. only then can you ctritisize it. This whole video did not take into account not even half of what christianity actually teaches.
zlkimagenX 1 year ago
Whether or not God's existence can be objectively proved is irrelevant to the situations presented. The world is obviously not perfect - nor should "God" be the one to make it so. Not all of what you see is what you get. Not that long ago it was believed the world was flat and the centre of the universe, and Galileo’s discovery of gravity was ridiculed. There are natural forces at play which cause things to happen and just because they happen certainly doesn’t disprove the existence...
DdanNification 1 year ago
@DdanNification,
"The world is obviously not perfect - nor should "God" be the one to make it so"
Why not? According to religious theology, God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent - the only being capable BY DEFINITION of sustaining a 'perfect' world for us and yet God chooses to send regular floods, earthquakes, viral plagues, daily genetic diseases, volcanic eruptions etc. etc. And ppl still worship the being that BY DEFINITION could prevent all this but chooses not to.
AcquiredKnowledge 1 year ago
.@AcquiredKnowledge ur coming from a religious angle rather than a spiritual angle. Religion is just another man-made concept to control (in some cases) the vulnerable public. God is a subjective concept free to be interpreted by those with an understanding of spirituality to know that God is not a physical being sitting in the clouds waiting to fix every person’s problems. Perhaps if you opened your eyes and mind you could understand why people believe in a god.
DdanNification 1 year ago