Dyno Tested: 2009 BMW M3 Sedan

[jad4ca]

376 to the wheels is pretty stout. I drove one of these (6M sedan) before purchasing my '11 CTS-V. This car would be at least as much fun on a tight track as my V. Great car. Wish the torque was a little stronger but I love how freely the 4.0 revs

[hedrick5286]

It most likely has more than 414hp. BMW is known for understating power.

[drino282]

0:25 tom wtf are doing ? this is what you do when you sell myspace go do some creampies in some persian bytchs waistin time time is money lucky fuc

[daxter429]

man...this car revs high for a street v8

[2000VR]

@daxter429 You can make any V8 rev like that if you short stroke it.

[enilyksnor]

manual or DCT? DCT soaks up less power than manual box these days. amazing technology. my R36 with twin clutch loses around 3-5% of power only.

[cyberqairil]

I always thought to myself, do this people push it to the maximum when they put a car on the dyno? They seem not bothered.

[foleygac]

@cyberqairil You don't need to rip it through the gears on the dyno for a good reading, in fact it's usually best to ease in the throttle on the dyno to avoid wheel spin on the rollers.

[cyberqairil]

@foleygac So you mean getting the most accurate horsepower reading is not pushing the car till the ragged edge?

[foleygac]

@cyberqairil You don't need to floor it right away, you can ease into it. As long as you are WOT by the redline you will get an accurate reading while avoiding wheelspin.

[cyberqairil]

@foleygac Ohh okay. Thanks dude.

[culayta]

Why you stupid people buying these Kraut machines? Buy American!

[Cedef36]

@culayta Because they like to be able to turn corners.

[jcmknl2005]

274 torque? thats pretty said, nice hp numbers, wait a minute, didnt they test this against the new 5.0 mustang and the mustang is quicker car? yeah they did actually

[brandontoscano]

@jcmknl2005 the new 5.0 rustang also has 2 more years of research and development behind it, and 1.0L more engine. And with a good driver, the M3 is capable of 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, which has been proven. Not to mention, BMW does this with some class to their cars.

[E46MRider]

@jcmknl2005 Dont need much torque when the engine revvs till 8400rpm's..It's a different kind of power delivery,you gotta keep the revvs UP..Capish?

[mdaiosu]

remember Dynos themselves have great variability. You can't compare cars' numbers on different dynos, you can only compare cars dynoed on the same machine. I've seen it vary by 15hp by the same car on diffferent dynos.

[BluesGuitarLover11]

That is a beautiful sound. :)

[MrDodobmw]

if the engine is new ,it wouldn't put as much horsepower on the road as it should have! maybe that's why there's a power deficit

[MrNayfan]

I would love to unleash this on the roads :P

[foleygac]

With 15% drive-train loss, the motor in this M3 is making the following numbers at the crank...

376hp @ wheels = 432 hp

274 lb-ft @ wheels = 315 lb-ft

So for those of you getting upset that this M3 is making the power stand corrected because it's making more power than it should. However, no motor is the same even if it's the same motor. There are differences in power numbers in every motor built.

[2002j30a1]

@foleygac "no motor is the same even if it's the same motor" most people would say this makes no sense, but it makes perfect sense. sooo true

[foleygac]

@2002j30a1 I've been around cars long enough to know that each one has it's own character. Even the finest hand built cars on the road have slight differences. There are several factors that account for these differences from production to environment.

[2002j30a1]

@foleygac agreed. two of my freinds have the exact same cars and made around a 20 hp difference between eachother

[l3ZoOoZl12]

niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

[ZCP1364]

i liked the coupe and i thought the sedan was ugly now i like the sedan more

[graffitineverdies187]

fuck this car sreams

[hugokupas]

@graffitineverdies187 your mutter too :)))

[apericubes]

the sedan is ill

[M3PanoS]

im starting to like the sedan better than the coupe...the rear end of the coupe is nice, but it just seems like it's missing something. the new tail lights on the sedan make it look all the better tho.

[itsjustin323]

@M3PanoS i know right? the coupe version of the m3 looked good in the beginning, but im starting to like the way the sedan looks. haha idk its weird.

[AlexSochi8]

lol I agree with both of you guys the sedan looks better and is more practical too!

[kokons3]

@M3PanoS

I definitely disagree with you that the rear end of sedan is better looking! It's looking like Nissan Primera rear end:(

[RoAndrei43]

fuck you, you have destroy something or what because that car will be have 420 hp

[604h22a]

ahh, just go with the c63 cheaper and more power

[zafert85]

and uglier!

[604h22a]

looks way better wtf u talking about

[zafert85]

dude its my opinion!!!

[JCviggen1]

And drives like a barge...no thanks! Does sound better though.

[danger2615]

Remeber this is the RWHP not the the engine output which is 420HP, power is lost through the drivetrain aka drivetrain loss, and it being and brand new car its gana be tight, let it run in and your figures should improve slightly.

[hitlerdicepopo]

@danger2615 inside line usually only tests new cars so they are not going to be able to let it run longer, either way that hp to the wheels is not very impressive, its a little more then usual (most cars would have 357 at the wheels if it has 420 at the engine) but its still around a 10% loss

[danger2615]

@hitlerdicepopo Do some research a 10% loss is not that bad..

[luhovyl]

@danger2615 44 horse power being lost??? What a drivetrain then the fuck it is???

[danger2615]

@luhovyl What?.... On average 15-20% of the engines power is 'Lost' through the car's transmission..

[danger2615]

0:51 Wow thats an Awesome torque curve, so flat. And the power is basically a diagonal line :D Great engine.

[danger2615]

So this particular car only looses 10% of its power, quite amazing really.

[2pac871]

BM fucking W ya

[Nikateer]

OK, so let me get this straight. If u dyno the car and it turns out to be 2hp short will u take it back to BMW and demand the extra 2hp? Do u expect BMW to give u a ticket n say ''go to parts and they will give u 2 more hp''. Not all motors have 414hp. Some will have slightly less and some will have slight more say 2hp more or less and maybe 4, but thats about it! And it doesnt matter because u will most likely never use 414hp.

[forry90]

or if you have a factory freak and you get 10 more rwhp thats common from factory like i have on my mustang gt :D

[Nikateer]

Lucky you.

With all due respect its a Ford so i wouldn't be surprised.

I have heard of BMW's getting 6 the most, but no more.

[forry90]

mm well thats probably true with the non 135i and 335i models. but i have a friend with a 335i and another with a 135i. and they all dynod about 15rwhp more than what they were supposed to be at

[musicISlyf1]

@forry90

not all dynos are the same, different brands read different number like there is the mustang dyno, and dyno jet and theres a whole lot more some are more accurate than others

[kheadr73]

Best comments on youtube...Wow this is amazing, car is nice, you guys are funny, I drive a 2010 E90 M3 that I just picked up via ED...Best time ever....But then I love all cars and the potential that they all have...Be it a Civic or a Ferrari

[Nikateer]

You fly fighter jets that I paid for with my hard earned tax dollors! on my account! So go fly a kite instead! Don't even think for a second you impress me with that BS!

[ScReamOOOHHH]

you've been a bmw owner for 28 years??? im sorry...

[xXxRAVExXxTECHNOxXx]

yea and look at tht guy now makin more money and livin a better life then ur punk ass

[Nikateer]

Look at the driver! Looks like one of those kidz I use to punk out in high school for their lunch money!

[Nikateer]

Why do people dyno a brand new bone stock M3's?? Didn't the f*ckin brochure tell u how much power the car had?? What did u expect to get out of the dyno?? Your f*ckin income tax! Man! People are just f*ckin stupid!

[Greenmin5]

Nikateer, some cars say they have the horsepower, but that just might mean they have that much horsepower at the crank, not the wheels. So by dynoing they get the "true" horses. seriously tho, calm the fuck down.

[forourspam]

Never heard of drivetrain loss? Can't believe they let tools like you out in public... And as far as punking kids for lunch money, betcha you were the one getting punked by your 'buddies' in the back of the locker room. What a f*cktard!

[Nikateer]

Yo lick my ballz! I'll take ur lunch money too! What do u mean drive train loss! This is no American garbage called chevy (who's always filing bankruptcy because they can't sell their junk) or Dodge sh*t! This is a REAL car! Theres no drive train loss! Maybe 1 out of 2000 cars unlike your American garbage 1 out of 4! Go buy your junk from detroit and save your garbage maker chevy then come talk sh*t! You insult us euro's by mentioning that awful word your GM dealer is used to!

[phidelt08]

Nikateer, maybe you're just "Fcking stupid!". Do you even know the difference between hp at the fly wheel and hp at the wheels? Big difference. Also, it's good to get a base dyno before you do mods so you can see the difference. Every car puts down slightly different numbers. Yes, people are stupid. Such as yourself.

[Nikateer]

Listen up you wanna be homo thug! I knew the difference before you were born! I'm 48 years old and have been a BMW CCA member for 28 years! I own a 2006 M5 and a 89 M3 since new! I have been tracking BMW's before your father jerked you off! This video is stupid and useless! Dyno a project or a car that has been modified not a car that came off the showroom floor, but then again boring idiots such as yourself like dumb shit like that!

[phidelt08]

Nikateer you are an uneducated vile fool. Who talks like that? You think you're great because you drive BMW's? I fly fighter jets that you could only dream about. Go back to your cave you fool.

[lmrcobalt]

anybody can tune any car to make power, just an issue of money

[SuperBmwm6]

Yeah that's true that u should dyno projects cars and not stocks cars im also a BMW cca member too.

[Nikateer]

Thank you!

[mujjuman]

nikateer, why not dyno stock cars?

[damwhodat3]

this video is not stupid and useless!! People dyno cars so that they can know how much power they get before and after they mod the car u idiot!!!

[jodes015]

holy shit you guys are funny as shit please keep it up. all i know is my M3 is such a bad ass car i have to watch videos about how great it is. and a boxter is not in the same universe as the M3 . what a machine!

[funkyspaceinvader]

I think this is not so good?? 40hp off the claimed figures

[theclipper505]

learn the difference between wheel hp and crank hp. HP and Torque are lost in the drivetrain from the flywheel to the wheels.

[funkyspaceinvader]

thanks man , I know the difference.

It just seems that 40hp is a LOT to loose in the drivetrain.

Most cars will loose about 10hp... even the powerful ones.

One of the issues as well is that the gas you guys use in the states outputs significantly less power than EU gas RON 98

[theclipper505]

Normally its a percentage loss not a general numerical loss. 414 crank- 376 wheel= 38/414 crank=9.18% loss. Relatively speaking this is relatively low. Most manual/automated manual cars lose from 12-18%.

[funkyspaceinvader]

thanks mate. Relevant information: +1

[mdpalacio23]

Funky, did you not read??!! There's a % loss. And the % is actually on the good side, you Douche!

[funkyspaceinvader]

Shut it you idiot.

-1) Read my replies before posting.

-2) I maintain that 376Hp at the wheels is poor.

We've tested a 1600 miles stock coupé here and got 412Hp average out of 3 runs.

I despise poor fucks like you who can only write comments with absolutely zero added value. Go back to your moped you half brain looser!

[mdpalacio23]

Funky, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. There's a loss of power you idiot. are you retarded?? Or just a spanker? Get a life, Douche.

[funkyspaceinvader]

Dude, check me out.

I drive a Porsches, I own 2 businesses...

You are a nobody from nowhere, a poor ass redneck inbred that knows nothing better than sticking rude comments on Youtube.

I happen to know the different types of HP (at the crank, at the flywheel, at the wheels....).

I maintain 3 things:

-1) gasoline octane grades are lower in the states,

-2) Euro engines are usually de-tuned in the states,

-3) you are a broke SOB!

[mdpalacio23]

"Dude, check me out."

What a little bitch comment. And your little Porsche is like what?? 10 years old! Broke?! You're the broke bitch that can't afford a new Porsche, you Douche. I maintain 3 things too:

1. Your coward ass would be talking German if it wasn't for the USA.

2. There's a loss of power, you idiot.

3. Lick my sweaty balls, Douche

lol

[funkyspaceinvader]

Ha Ha Ha...

you know nothing about cars you wanker.

My second Porsche, the one on youtube (don't worry I'll stick a video of my new Boxster S soon) is a 50,000 dollar Turbo S...That's until I take delivery of my GT3.

What do you drive bitch, a beat up pickup? a school bus?

To answer your sorry points:

1. That wouldn't be a bad thing now would it?

2. I don't question that there is a loss of power... I am just astonished as to how much your poor ass gas is weak.

3. You are gay!!

[mdpalacio23]

For all we know you are probably video taping somebody else's Porsche, that's how lame you are. And all you're accepting for delivery is my balls in your mouth. As for the gas, you idiot, for the price you pay over there in faggot France country I can get it over here for a third of the price. Douche.

[funkyspaceinvader]

That's it then, nothing more to say?

I don't care paying more for better gas, not to mention fair trade.

You are only getting it cheaper because your belligerent country has invaded Iraq twice.

"For all we know..." yeah right... I have better things to do with my life than videotaping someone else's car.

I win, you loose, and that's the end of it.

I could win in 5 languages because you have the IQ of a gay squirrel.

Comment all you like, or go kill yourself, I don't give a damn.

[mdpalacio23]

It's too bad we didn't invade your faggot country too. At least we have the balls to invade and attack other countries. All you guys are good for is good food and bad body odor. Come to think of it, please take a shower first before I put my nutsack in your mouth, bitch. Fair trade? Fair trade is for socialist countries like you and your little gay neighbors. Douche. We won, you lost the war, idiot.

[funkyspaceinvader]

Not only are you a stupid inbred, you must be a fat ass redneck in Texas.

You think Jesus is your savior, you love beer almost as much as masturbating while watching kiddie porn, you wish you could by that new ford pickup truck and you never scored a half decent girl.

Sure your country invades others but I am also sure you didn't have anything to do with it... probably because you are too fat to be drafted.

I have had enough fun, now you're boring . Please do the world a favor and kill yourself.

[mdpalacio23]

That's right, we invade and conquer other countries, Douche. There is no draft here, you dumbass. For owning 2 businesses, you sure are really dumb. What's funny too is that guys that own Boxsters are really queer & faggy. It figures your smelly French ass would get a gay car like that.  What a little bitch.

[funkyspaceinvader]

Look who's talking you trailor park bastard.

Show us what you got bitch...

Nothing, that's what you imbecile.

[mdpalacio23]

I think we got in at a bad start. I'm sorry I said all those things about you. Let's call it even here. Truce?

[funkyspaceinvader]

Yeah sure, why not.

[mdpalacio23]

Alright!

[MNTwins033]

who gives a fuck what kind of cars you have.

[funkyspaceinvader]

who gives a fuck what kind of comment you make.

Mind your own business!

[SUPAPwN0o0]

but we just recently found out the some one scratched it it is a big pink mark close to the rear door I AM SO PISSED!

[SUPAPwN0o0]

my parents have a light blue M3 sedan it kicks ass!

[CORREY3579]

2010 shelby please.

[rogbort1]

yes, rwd cars lose approx 10% of bhp and 4wd can lose around 30%.

My 4wd gtir made 295kw(395hp) at the crank and only 225kw(300hp) at the wheels

[Gurjaaneli]

not bad. it loses only 40 hp in transmission.

[RugB346]

you talking about me?

[fastalan]

yes, you are stupid.

[RugB346]

ha, i love how the bmw website says it produces 420 horses, and when you put it on a dyno it shows the real strength... always a bit disappointing

[oovwoo]

Do you not know the difference between whp and bhp? The car has 420bhp, and puts down between 370-380 to the wheels. This is expected drive train loss on a RWD application.

[nfusco618]

I love when people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and then say something stupid like this.

[Jadoogarr]

how does dyno test work?

[speedsociety]

guys, dont confuse hp that come out of the engine which those that get transferred to the road.

380 at the wheels = 420 at the engine

[112namrepus]

Not the 209 GT3 It has 458hp and 320lbft.

[Malteboy777]

OMG!! I just came in my pants!! =D I F***ING LOVE THIS CAR!! And I had NO IDA about how AWESOME it could sound!! =D SERIOUSLY!!! Wow.. Okay, the 2009 BMW M3 sedan Is Officially Now My Favorite Ride!! =D

[wideopen704]

a disappointing amount of torque...

[techiehost]

that is torque at the wheels from a 4 liter na engine, what do you expect?

[wideopen704]

american v8s make a lot more torque per liter naturally aspirated then BMW can. Mercedes can get amazing torque from their naturally aspirated motors.

[techiehost]

Actually BMW holds the record on torque per liter, I think it the 2003 M3 CSL with 84 lb-ft per liter. The new viper get less than 67, and the redline is 2000 less than the M3.

[johnnytapia1981]

what do we have here??oh shit its another overpriced overhyped douche-mobile! lmao germancar cheerleaders can suck my lexus exhaust while i pee on their chubby heads!

[Arturaskopytinas]

even is-f would get eaten by this thing. even with bigger engine and more torque it's not a match for the m3 sedan. it's NOT my opinion it's a FACT.

[johnnytapia1981]

WTF ?? shut the fuck up u fatfuck talkin shit all day. the ISF smokes and shits on the M3.its not my opinion its a fact.

and please cockfag i dont wanna hear anymore of your your silly german car cheerleader opinions.

[Arturaskopytinas]

Power lap round the TG track:

1:26.9 - Lexus IS-F

1:25.3 - BMW M3 E90 Sedan

Even in a drag race it is quicker, but IS-F is not limited to 155 so eventually it would win, just because of that and you're probably 13 years old.

[JELH]

BMW says the M3 is limited to 155 Mph, but you can find videos of the M3 reaching speeds of 160, 165, 170, 175 Mph.

[bulegold56]

WOW your educated!

[johnnytapia1981]

WOW you re retarded!

[LoRdDrUmS1]

the bmw m3 is my favorite of all the bmw

[atreyuIsTheTrueGod]

awesome car but that is the problem with it and it gets all its power at 8000rpm

[ambientflier]

...that would be the point of a high-revving engine...

[dinkle41]

The camaro SS might be a little slower but it's not much cosidering the Camaro 1SS starts at $31,040 on their website, BMW M3 Coupe starts at $57,850 on their website.

[sspope]

Camaro is undoubtably a great value for money and it also has minimal body roll, although understeer is still there.

[dekthee]

quite a shame..

[Propel3453]

I like my cars not made in america, camaro is shit

[G3n3ralN0ns3ns3]

That's a significant power loss from what it is rated at. Of course the factory rating is just a rating but wow, that's a chunk of power.

[ambientflier]

Um...that's 10%. That's less than most other rwd cars.

[Sandr0G]

I LOVE THIS CAR!

[DarkFly3r]

Love the sound of the engine.

[FatGuyWithACamaroz28]

damn those sound good.

[Brianistheman03]

i thought you couldnt dyno bmw's because of the traction control?

[greg012689]

Turn off traction control

[stigger91]

Sounds awesome

[NoxNoctisUmbra]

Where is all the power BMW Promises? oh yeah its lost when it goes to wheels .. well still damn powerful.. altho car sounds like a vacuum

[greg012689]

But it's a sexy vacuum nonetheless!

[IAmSamThatIAM]

Shit, way better then my Turbo VTEC Civic which producing 98HP and 64TQ @ the Wheel.

[NoxNoctisUmbra]

Best comment man! haha

[Storvick1011]

haha turbo ? what year man?

[overground84]

maybe a stupid question but, are those tests in the first gear?

[USConnexion]

no last gear (6th or 7th gear)

[hashfromjc]

Never heard of a 7 gear sedan

[Storvick1011]

i think the ISF has 7 or 8 gears

[ApachyDaro]

8 gears, but I think 7th and 8th gear are overdrives (for economy)

[ham803]

isf has 8 and so does the bugatti veyron

[112namrepus]

the veyron has 16 not 8. And 1010hp not 417

[ham803]

im talking about gears not cylinders and think about it you idiot no car can have 16 gears. i know the veyron is a W16(two v8s put together) and it doesnt have 417 hp, it has 1001hp and not 1010hp.

you dont even know your stats and your trying to correct other people, what a smartass

[1987EvanB]

Dude, a W16 engine is not two v8's put together. You need to do your homework on something before you say something.

[ham803]

what do you think it is. my dad works at volkswagen(they make bugatti veyrons) and he told me its two v8s put together and attached to a single crankshaft. thats the same thing with the W12's that they make, its two v6 combined.

[112namrepus]

your daddy sells used VW on the corner for a slick indian.

LMAO!

[ham803]

are you bashing my dad because your colombian dad got killed in a drug deal and now your family lives under a bridge.

and no my dad doesnt work at a used car lot. he is in Volkswagen's main office right here in canada

[focusforlife]

Ur dad is the slick indian and the best part of u ran down the crack of ur moms ass. Now u sleep on the spot the best part of u made cause u still suck on ur moms titty. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[112namrepus]

ham803 is a dbag!

[ham803]

yeah and youre any better than me, you stupid colombian farmer

[sspope]

You're the only one talking facts here. Others talk just some random junk and I don't get what this Colombian invasion means.

[ham803]

he somehow started saying im indian, when im clearly not even close and i started saying hes colombian because i went to his page and saw that his home country is colombia.

just one comment that i made to answer somebody's question and all this shit turns up

[focusforlife]

U suck on that dbag for crack money. FAG!!!

[focusforlife]

How do u get W16 then?

[112namrepus]

I live in Sucra Bolivia now. In the east side district. It's pretty nice here now, a lot of improvement since last time. 10 years ago you would be in a ghetto, now it is mostly high-end houses and shops. It's like Greece on Monaco. And I'm not a farmer and I don't deal drugs.

[112namrepus]

No, the veyron has 1010hp. Look it up in the car mags. The US version is tuned to run on 93 OCT gas.

And it's not 2 V8s it is a 6cyl W engine and it is very different. They are side by side like the Bentley VW W12.

Yes VW owns Bugatti.

And the M3 has 417hp. I know my stuff.

[ham803]

alright whatever fuck it, 9 hp doesnt make a difference. your such a fag, its the W16 in the veyron not the w12

[1987EvanB]

your dads about as much of a dumbass as you are then assclown. like father like son

[USConnexion]

the M5 has 7 gear not sure for the M3 but i think so

[demover7]

hahaha noooo

[112namrepus]

ham803 sucks!

Thanks man!

[ambientflier]

It's done in whatever gear has the 1:1 ratio. In 6 speed cars, that's normally 5th.

[dood9080]

id rather get a camaro then this

[sspope]

...for some reason probably only known by God

[350Zed]

Been reading too much C&D, have we? Camaro over an M3... LOL!

[dood9080]

i like my cars made in America and the camaro puts out more speed maybe not luxury

[350Zed]

"more speed"?

The M3 is quicker than the fastest Camaro that Chevy will offer, and is also faster in both the quarter mile and top-end. By "speed" did you somehow mean something other than "quicker" or "faster"? LOL!

[dood9080]

the v8 version of the camaro puts out 426 hp while the m3 puts out 376 hp

LOL!

[ApachyDaro]

I lol at your wisdom

[350Zed]

Peak horsepower ratings are meaningless. Go back to your mag-racing, kid.

Camaro SS's are running mid-13 1/4-miles. M3's run mid-12's.

*yawn*

[ambientflier]

Are you really that dumb? The Camaro will make less than 426hp at the wheels, just like the M3 makes less than 414 at the wheels due to the drivetrain loss.

LOL!

[NoxNoctisUmbra]

of course !!! M3 beats them with out any problems.

Also its funny hoe Mustang V8 with less power is way faster then Camaro, maybe not straight line speed, but speed around a track.

[thebossisheretostay]

thats rubbish compared to what they actually say

[BearsDkills]

Guy thats 376hp to the rear Wheels. You retards don't understand this. This means it is putting around 410hp at the crank easily.