Uh,...No, What is shown in this video is the very intentional outcome of trickle-down economics.The gap between the rich and poor is getting wider and that is what is intended. Free trade is a euphemism for out-sourcing.
Thinking that this country will turn into a economic utopia if 80% of the population starts working for the same wages as in China or Mexico is only for those who can-not-face-REALITY!
I'm over here in New York City. But.............I have heard people talk about how certain areas of Flint and Detroit, Michigan are like GHOST TOWNS! Is that true? I'm watching this video..........I'm like "Some of this is part of the AMERICAN landscape???"
Detroit-very Marxist monopolistic labor unions (like in Marxism)
New York (70's)- wide range of free social services (Marxism)
Look at Europe in a crisis over socialism issues.
Look at USSR.
Look at Cuba.
Look at "the greediest cities in America", if you think you can really measure greed. The poor citizens are probably better off there than "Less greedy Marxist cities"
Before you ask I do know the difference between Marxism, Communism, Socialism and many other far left platforms.
@MNgeneralfinance you don't know what u talking about you just saying the same yankee bullshit,you don't gotta pay to go to school in cuba,books are free,like hospitals,etc...cuba is way better than most liberal countries over america cuba is a great nation, even with the yankee economy block everyone who don't lick america's asshole is fucked up i wonder how much oil yankees r robbing from gadaffi right now europe is down because of capitalism sistem italy is not socialist,france neither
@deumevet rofl my parents were born in cuba and i have been to cuba. its a rundown shithole where no one has anything and people are scared shitless because they have no freedom of speech etc. you might want to actually go there before you start talking candyass
@deumevet The most successful countries on earth have all been capitalist. The fastest growing cities in America are drawing up all the millionaires that do not want to be in places like New York and Los Angeles, which are the furthest left leaning places in America. Your side does not even have one positive blowout example of wide scale communism succeeding in any form.
Capitalism is what created all these buildings on this video. Marxist unions drove it down.
What built America and when did that change. Yes, it was productivity and innovation. But Americans were moral and virtuous with standards for behavior. Greed was a sin along with fornication and drug use. The 1960's "social revolution" started the decline of a great people and the result is the material decline of the nation.
Detroit is the Progressive poster child! We have seen time and time again that Progressive programs in theory are admirable but in reality are disastrous and doomed to failure. Look at China, USSR, Greece, England ect.. When you take a little a few of the productive turn unproductive or leave, then you have to take a little more so more turn unproductive or leave eventually the system runs out of other peoples assets and all will starve as their is not enough to go around! Viva Reagan!
And elements of Marxism (hypocrisy, irrational hatred of people involved in commerce or stock trading, a focus on the secular religion of Marx) are also on the rise. That trnd has led to teh rise of a Marxist-dominated China, and of hypocrisy and exploitation in the name of "collectivism" throughout the world. The so-called "Green Movement" is at least as guilty in this regard.
I'd like to see this trend stop too. Unfortunately, I think Marxist politics are simply too profitable to stop.
HARD CORE MARXISTS WHO FOLLOW THE "LOGIC" OF DIALECTICAL-MATERIALISM SIMULTANEOUSLY BELIEVE THAT BOTH THE FALL CAPITALISM IS INEVITABLE AND THAT THEY HAVE TO HELP MAKE THAT FALL HAPPEN. (IT'S PART OF THEIR INSANITY.) CAPITALISM DID NOT CREATE DETROIT'S FALL. THE COMMUNIST GOAL OF WORLD CONQUEST DID.
@DrCruel "They are in teh Tea Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists." Dream on dude. That movement has been taken over by Neo-cons. I used to be part of it, but now its totally impotent. Voting is NOT the answer; it has NEVER been how change has happened. Change happens through organization and action at the grassroots level. P.S. What do you mean "post-marxist". You can't get rid of an idea, dude. All you can do is keep showing people that its stupid.
@DrCruel "Tolerance? Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? " North Korea and Cuba are basically dictatorships. How are dictatorships leftist? History is very clear on the fact that the right-wing-not the left-wing-supports totalitarian governments. Classical communism means NO STATE! How can a totalitarian state be communist? It makes no sense. You are getting propaganda from some where. Which talking-head is it coming from...
@tstruss912 These ruins are caused by a lack of capitalism, not an abundance of it. Marxism is kleptocratic - it criminalizes commerce in order to justify robbing business entrepreneurs, and ultimately wrecks everything it touches.
If we've been stupid, it's because we've been foolish enough to extend our tolerance to Leftists, who are equivalent to fascists. That's been our horrible mistake.
@DrCruel I know you are worried about this country, so am I. But, this has nothing to do with left-right; this has to do with wall-street, unions, and other corporate entities doing whatever they please. The bailout is a good example; corrupt management took big risks that "failed", caused the problem, and the taxpayers then had to "fix" it. Please, don't listen to hucksters on TV that are doing ENTERTAINMENT-read instead. Leftist = fascist shows a lack of understanding. Take it easy.
@tstruss912 I don't think there is a coherent "Right" except in Marxian mythology. Rightists once were supporters of aristocratic privilege, but Leftists seem to be the advocates of such things nowadays. The "bourgeois" were once the great bogeymen - but they've been chased out of most of our major cities already. In some cases (such as with the PRC), Marxists have taken their place.
Leftists are fascists. What happened to the banks is the sort of thing fascists do.
@DrCruel Ahhh, my lungs are on fire. Don't run in the cold! lol. Well, I think that maybe what you're getting at is that PURPORTED leftists are actually fascists, and I would agree with that. Obama and Co. are as much "leftists" as Hitler. So far they have given big business everything they wanted (cronyism), kept up aggression in the countries we are occupying (obsession with national security), and BO's in the CFR (controlled mass media). Obama = fake socialist like Hitler, but not as bad.
@DrCruel Basically, both the classical left and right are good things, the "neo" left and right...not so much. Modern politicians are corporate PR puppets that spew meaningless bullshit to make us FEEL good so that they can get into office and appease their REAL masters. A vote by the top marketing firms in 2008 ranked the campaigns something like this (from memory): 1) Brand Obama; 2) Apple; 3) Nike; 4) ???; 5) Brand McCain. Ed Bernays would be proud-the "bewildered herd" is under control....
@tstruss912 The "classic" Left were Jacobins. The "classic" Right were monarchists. In the modern era, the split is different - the Left has become a huge, transnational criminal syndicate involved in drug trafficking and slavery, and the "Right" is whosoever they happen to be targetting at the moment.
Ed Bernays has nothing to do with it. Saul Alinsky maybe.
@DrCruel ' the Left has become a huge, transnational criminal syndicate involved in drug trafficking and slavery, and the "Right" ' So all criminals are "leftists"? And, all those who follow the law are "rightists"? Where are you getting this stuff from? The facts don't support your theory at all. Do you understand the terms? To simplify it for you the left are mostly P and/or N (myer-briggs) types; the right are mostly S and J types. That generalizes across countries and time-spans.
@tstruss912 Not all criminals are Leftists. The vast majority of Leftists, however, are criminals - or at least, criminal wannabes hoping ot get "made" by their higher-ups for outstanding service.
I get my "stuff" from empirical observations of and discussions with Leftists, eitehr at protests or ISO meetings. I do not speak idly about them, and I mean exactly what I say.
@DrCruel Those on the left are more open-minded and see the big picture; those on the right are quicker to make decisions and focus on details better. Those are the differences in thinking that lead to the formation of R & L factions in different societies. It actually works best when they work in a team. Many corporate managers understand that simple fact and use the MBTI to help them form teams that solve problems from different angles. Those at the top will always cry "right ! left!"...
@tstruss912 I've had contact with both spokespeople for the ISO and members of the US governmetn on the highest levels. The government people certainly have their agendas, but I have never experienced bald-faced deceit so deliberately employed as from Leftists. I have caught Leftists in numerous lies, and have saw them continue to push their agendas anyway without losing a beat.
Tolerance? Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? Please.
@DrCruel "Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? Please." Those are not leftist. They are "leftist". They are called "leftist" by our propaganda machine. Leftist economics = worker control. Leftist ideology = equality. How in the fuck does NK or Cuba fit the classical definition of leftist?
@tstruss912 They are only "not Leftist" after the fact. When they were in their prime, Leftists touted them as perfect examples of Marxism. Now that the inevitable collapse of those pyramid schemes have come to pass, the Marxists don't even remember what they've said themselves.
But you're right about one thing. How the fuck can you say, after all that's happened, that Marxism has anything to do with worker control or equality?
@DrCruel Since you're repeating right-wing propaganda I can assume that those S and/or J characteristics in your thinking have been exploited by the hucksters on the "right" (top would be more accurate). I have noticed what Noam Chomsky calls "internal logic" within arguments from right-wing hucksters. They work because they focus attention on certain details (cherry-picked, of course) and construct the big picture using only those. Please, be aware that they are attempting to manipulate you.
@tstruss912 "Right wing propaganda" is it? Who then? The Bourbons? The Windsors? Or am I to accept Marxisn myth, and assume that merchants and speculators on stocks have become the new "monarchists" according to a magical dialectical process? Because from what I've seen, Leftists go after "capitalists" for the same reason that pirates go after merchant shipping - it's just that the Marxists aren't nearly as honest about what they do for a living.
@DrCruel "Tolerance? Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? " North Korea and Cuba are basically dictatorships. How are dictatorships leftist? History is very clear on the fact that the right-wing-not the left-wing-supports totalitarian governments. Classical communism means NO STATE! How can a totalitarian state be communist? It makes no sense. You are getting propaganda from some where. Which talking-head is it coming from...
@DrCruel "Or am I to accept Marxisn myth, and assume that merchants and speculators on stocks have become the new "monarchists" according to a magical dialectical process?" Are you aware that 9/10 people who win political campaigns in America have more campaign money than the other guy? That money comes in large part from those with much dough. Obama got 3.5 mil (at least..) from banksters. Ever heard of capital flight? Lobbying? The media?? Nuff said.
@tstruss912 Are you aware that 10/10 people who win political campaigns in Marxist countries have the endorsement of the Party leadership? That the public has virtually no input at all in how leaders are chosen?
And what has that to do with equating business owners with aristocrats? What does having "more dough" have to do with business ownership, as so many rich people nowadays are part of the governmental managerial elite? Ever hear of the Beltway? What "business" does Obama own?
@DrCruel "That the public has virtually no input at all in how leaders are chosen?" Ya....and we have a choice? Bush, Kerry, Clinton, Obama -they are all elites. Do the policies really change? Do they really listen to us? Polls show that 75-80% (depending on the poll) of Americans think our voting system is a game between special interests and elitists. Just because other systems are worse that does NOT mean we have no work to do here. We should be the BEST! Right now we're a joke...
@tstruss912 At the moment, there are people in the US who have formed up to combat the very thing you describe. They are in teh Tea Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists.
If there are problems in our global society, then the Marxists are one of the biggest. They are certainly not in any way, shape or form part of any solution. Certainly there will still be problems once we live in a post-Marxist world, but one thing is true - it will be a better world without Marxism and Marxists.
@DrCruel "They are in teh Tea Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists." Dream on dude. That movement has been taken over by Neo-cons. I used to be part of it, but now its totally impotent. Voting is NOT the answer; it has NEVER been how change has happened. Change happens through organization and action at the grassroots level. P.S. What do you mean "post-marxist". You can't get rid of an idea, dude. All you can do is keep showing people that its stupid.
@DrCruel "They are in teh Tea? Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists." Dream on dude. That movement has been taken over by Neo-cons. I used to be part of it, but now its totally impotent. Voting is NOT the answer; it has NEVER been how change has happened. Change happens through organization and action at the grassroots level. P.S. What do you mean "post-marxist". You can't get rid of an idea, dude. All you can do is keep showing people that its stupid.
@DrCruel Well, both suck...sure. My point was that you can't remove an idea from the world anymore. It was possible back in the days of ancient Greece when they burned the Library of Alexandria (a terrible loss), but now the best you can do is point out why certain things don't work. People would listen if you said "the results or worker run companies are not good", but if you say "post-marxism" they will just get curious about Marxism.
@tstruss912 I don't have a problem with worker-run companies. I have a problem with Marxism - a secular feudalist Ponzi scheme masquerading as "social justice". Indeed, Marxism is not so much an "idea" as it is a con-game.
Again, we're "post-aristocracy". Blue bloods no longer rule us by virtue of their divine genetic rights bestowed by the sky god of Israel. Why should we then let ruthless cultists bring back a feudal world in the name of a 19th century anti-Semitic German nutjob?
@DrCruel To be honest I don't even like using the following words anymore: Marxism, communism, democracy, Nazism, socialism etc. Almost all political words have been twisted by the propaganda system. One of the key components of socialism is worker-run companies, but it's twisted to mean Stalinism and Nazism....even though they had NOTHING to do with classical communism or socialism. If anything, the Obama administration is exhibiting NAZI tendencies, not Marxist ones. What do you think?
@mn8aol You're talking about Marxism as defined by the propaganda system. I'm talking about Marxism in the classical sense. It's just like the term "democracy"; democracy (in the classical sense) means the people have a somewhat equal say, but the propaganda system defines it as a society that is under control. The book the Crisis of Democracy shows that quite nicely. In the book the elite lament about how there was "too much participation" in the 60's and that it threatened the "democracy".
@mn8aol--NO I AM SPEAKING IN THE CLASSICAL SENSE. WHEN OBAMA STATES THAT THEIR ARE NO ABOSOLUTE TRUTHS HE IS SPEAKING FOUNDATIONAL DIALECTICAL-MATERIALISM. NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T TALK THAT WAY. OUR COUNTRY IS A REPUBLIC AS GUARANTEED BY THE 4TH AMENDMENT. IT HAS NEVER BEEN A DEMOCRACY.
watch?v=x3bSeO9zU20 Political Correctness aka Cultural Marxism. Part 1 of 7
@tstruss912 I don't think Obama is doing anything that is fundamentally different from what George W. Bush was doing. And I don't think the words are "twisted" - I think that once you violate the rights of people to personal property and personal accoutability, and instead force some version of "collectivism" on others at the point of a gun, Stalinism and Nazism (and a number of similar spinoffs) naturally follows.
What's more I think Marxists know this, and simply want to be petty dictators.
@DrCruel Collectivism and independence must be balanced, I think. They should not be looked at in absolutist terms. There are some functions that collectivist institutions should run such as: National currency, healthcare, community services, the penal system, etc. There should not be a profit motive in any of those because it has been tried and has failed. Private enterprise can do everything else, with much less gov help though. Elements of Marxism are Ok, but the extreme form is not.
@tstruss912 hey im just going to interject... about national currency healthcare and community services... these are all areas where the free market would better serve the consumer. because any monopolistic priveledges granted wipes out competition and ultimitely drives costs up and quality down. even during the slave trade, the absolutely worst thing to happen in modern society, the slaves were better cared for when the captain of the ship had to sell the slaves on the market in the port city..
@tstruss912 instead of being paid upon recieving the slaves... now im not saying that this is by any means a good model for markets im saying that privitization gives someone that may not even care about your well being a reason to do whats best for you in order to make a buck... now in order provide this competition there needs to be a balance to the centralised collectivist forces that we have seen in the 20th century... in the early 19th century we recognized states as having the freedom..
@tstruss912 ... to seceed from this centralized union and thus provide a check to that central power. they also are constitutionally the only ones allowed to mint currency so the competition bred to keep an honest currency of gold or silver would be the foremost priority of a state, and thus would stabalize commodity prices... the only reason health insurance is so high is because doctors have to offset the loss that it costs to treat patients on medicare and medicate and the fact that through..
@tstruss912 the university system the profession of medicine has been monopolized... a grandmother could tell you that you have a cold... you dont need someone to have gone to med school for 8 years to do that... so by having a more loosely controlled practice doctors wouldnt need to offset the costs of education with the patients money... and as for quality there are online ways of checking a doctors credentials, much the same way as rate my professor(dot) com and since your health is much...
@tstruss912 more serious you'd be willing to do a lot more research... and with this wouldnt you trust you or a family memebre to make a better decision about your health then someone in a gov office that has much less to lose?... now we have to understand that there is no such thing as perfection in this world, but the one thing that we have seen over the last century is that the quality of life for the masses improves exponentially as the choice in market activity is the guiding force...
@tstruss912 ... for an awesome comparrison see east germany and west germany or east and west berlin for that matter... also we can ultimately rely on everyone doing what is in their own best interest and in this sense if a business owner is left to run a business then he has to answer to the market in order to win the vote of the consumers every day, but a politician or bureaucrat only has to prove his or herself once and then has free reign to shady backroom deals for 4 years as the general...
@phroto13 As for healthcare, sure, I'm for competition, which is why I favor the Swiss model. I'm actually a Swiss citizen because my mom was born there and I lived there for two years. Also my uncle is a doctor in Interlaken. With their system you can still pick what level of insurance you want; you get fast, good service; and it costs 33% less per capita! The fact that we haven't adopted that model just shows (again...) how greedy and powerful modern fascists are.
@tstruss912 public suffers for their incompetence in the ability to run that business... also if the government is given the power to make one individual, the doctor, work without access to the fruits of his own labor, isnt this the same principal as slavery? so if it is wrong, illegal and immoral for an individual to own a slave, then why should a group of individuals under the veil of "community" have access to that doctors fruits without the doctors say in the compensation he recieves?
@phroto13 Free markets have never existed, nor will they ever exist. We will always have systems that are composed of many elements, some toward individualism, and some toward collectivism, etc. The question we should be asking is, "does this current configuration benefit us?". The answer is no. There have been studies done by political scientists that show how policy is almost always what the super-rich want, and the opposite of what the poor want; the middle-class is basically ignored.
@phroto13 Right now the elements are being screwed in favor of the super-rich. Wallstreet got bailouts and went back to getting record bonuses; teachers lost the right to bargain. According to CATO big-business gets 75 billion EVERY year, but, of course, we are now talking about cutting "entitlements" (aka services we paid for) instead of that 75 billion (which comes from individuals and small-business). I read in Business Week that Google pays like 2% tax, we must pay up to 35%.
@phroto13 This society is run by big business, for big business. Right now big business has total freedom (hardly any regulation, paying very little in taxes via loopholes, etc), and zero responsibility. They can legally propagandize us, and collect fat checks from the gov for being incompetent. They can set their own salaries to a degree we can't imagine, even if they're totally incompetent. So, if you're serious about free-markets then the FIRST thing to go has to be modern corporations.
@tstruss912 You don't know much about economics, do you? Please talk to Obama about his chronies at GE paying NO TAXES. How about all of these unions and other companies that give tons to Democrat politicians getting waivers for the new healthcare bill that will bankrupt the country? What do you think about this new Executive Order requiring anyone wanting a government contract having to reveal what donations they have given to politicians or groups that give money to politicians?
@Boetica1960 I never said democrats were not part of the problem. Also, proper healthcare reform would SAVE us hundreds of billions per year because the profit and overhead of the healthcare monopolies add about 30% to the cost. Democrats are not interested in healthcare reform, and republicans are not interested in fixing the deficit. Do you understand or are you still in denial and think that voting is the cure?
@DrCruel I'm always wary of anybody who wants full neo-marxism or totally "free-markets". Neither would benefit ordinary Americans; they are scams to get something, I'm sure. I agree that Bush and Obama are similar and I want to revise what I said earlier about them being Nazis. I actually think that certain elements of Nazism (hypocrisy, focus on security, religiosity, etc) have been on the rise since 2001. I want the trend to stop soon...maybe that's my resolution for this year.
@tstruss912 america doesnt have unregulated capitalism. america has mercantalism whereby one companies buy monopolies from the government through licensing then recieve subsidies... this is far from free market
one truth is that the capitalist learned they could make more money manipulating the stock market and selling off assets than actually properly running a company..........it's now a smoke and mirrors economy..........and money moves at the speed of light from country to country........being patriotic doesnt work anymore
"In the 1950s there were ~800 labor newspapers read by tens of millions of people which gave a far more varied viewpoint to the news. These papers condemned corporate media for damning labor at every opportunity while glossing over the sins of banking and industrial magnates who really controlled the nation. The labor viewpoint was countered by a powerful campaign to reeducate the public to the "evils" of unionism, conflating anti-union attitudes with pro-American attitudes."
"After WW2, business leaders had to renew with vigor the everlasting battle for the minds of men and indoctrinate citizens with the capitalist story. We have 3 to 5 years to sell our preferred way of life."
Anti-union campaigns portrayed unions as anti-American with the sober, hardworking working man, the housewife and the corporate executive on one side, and the "outside agitators" (nee "communists) on the other.
@bapyou "I am pretty misreable living under capitalism" You ever think of this? You might be misreable living anywhere under any system but atleast with capitalism you have the choice to work hard and do something or sit around smoking pot and playing video games complaining about how rich people are ripping you off. I'll bet you own a car, have big screen TV, a PS2, you eat 3 times a day, have plenty of time to watch TV, STUFF THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WOULD RISK THEIR LIVES FOR.
"STUFF THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WOULD RISK THEIR LIVES FOR."
People would risk their lives to won a big screen TV? Please provide me with the name of a person who came to the U.S. because they wanted "a big screen TV."
The problem with all these old inter-cities is because "gas prices" are far TOO LOW. If our people would wake up and get gas to $5-$7 a gallon, these cities would be gleaming gems in less than 10 years. cheap car usage is the problem... now you know!
At least this video has attracted little attraction. Marxism my ass. Job banks definitely were a factor but corporate incompetence and corruption, financial political influence, housing market manipulation, and the extreme amount of wealth being siphoned out of public hands into a the hands of the privileged elitist minority is destroying this country.
Name a single major problem in the U.S. that is not directly attributable to corporate interests overriding the public good. A single one.
"When the corporation becomes enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow. And the money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed." - Abraham Lincoln
@Albee213 "Capitalism has brought prosperity to HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ... (Under) Communism EVERYONE IS MISREABLE!"
A fallacy if ever there was one. Personally, I'm pretty miserable living under capitalism, & I know more people also suffering than those who are not. But it's always our fault; never is it the fault of a grossly unequal economic system.
& why no mention of the many instances of US overthrows of governments in your diatribe? The US killed millions in SE Asia & Iraq.
@Albee213 "America has to build fences to keep people out... I wonder why that is?"
It's a function of wealth distribution and economic policy. If I had to feed my family, I'd want to be where the money is as well. America has the greatest wealth through sheer selfishness of America's elites, not through any generosity of spirit.
@bapyou But since you are unhappy along with a few other people the rest of us should give our money to the GOV so that they can give you healthcare, free food and maybe a place to stay so you can watch more TV and then still complain about how unhappy you are and that life is not fair and that anyone who has a job should be punished more for your amuzement.
@Albee213 "since you are unhappy along with a few other people the rest of us should give our money to the GOV so that they can give you healthcare, free food and maybe a place to stay so you can watch more TV"
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Yeah. I've heard this about a hundred times before from moron motherfucking right-wingers like you.
"Liberals don't work! They sit around collecting welfare & buying Cadillacs!"
Do you really believe such dopey idiocies? Really? Where's the evidence for such behavior?
Do you have any idea how much I loathe everything and everyone right-wing? Until my last breath, I will loathe everything, every lie, every stupidity for which you stand. You are the scum of the Earth. In truth, it is the right-wing who are the sponges. The owners of capital suck off of working people, legislating for the absolute minimum of responsibility towards workers.
And the owners of capital are whom you stand up for ... against working people. I'd fucking kill you.
@bapyou Right wing? Who spunges from everthying? Liberals and wealfare, "supposed" free healthcare, Unions these are what sponge from people who work. I work hard for what I earn and I have never asked for a handout but I am tired of my money being STOLEN from me by the Government so that they can free food to someone who wants to watch TV and do drugs rather that get educated. Communism makes everyone lazy, why should I work hard when I get paid the same as a lazy bum.
"The whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th century is being deployed to enable wealth to persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power." - Aneurin Bevan, British Labour Party leader
"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard
"Patriotism is nothing more than the organized group interests of the privileged class." — Bakunin
@bapyou And you are just another PUSSY that thinks he cam make threats on other people, so common of you marxist trash, if somoene does not agree with you they should die. typical of all commy thrash throughout history and thats why people hate your opressive marxist ideas becuase they only get people killed for wanthing to be free...
3. I don't even own a TV let alone sit around watching one.
4. I have a master's degree, thanks.
And still, with all of this, I am barely making it. And there's a good chance, since I can't afford health care, I'll be checking off this Earth in a few years.
So thanks, capitalism, the greatest economic system that's ever been devised. Everyyone but the lucky few are in the poor house.
"typical of all commy thrash throughout history and thats why people hate your opressive marxist ideas becuase they only get people killed for wanthing to be free."
Tell that to the ghost of Wesley Everest.
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I'm still waiting for you to provide me with the name of a person who risked their life coming to the U.S. because they wanted "a big screen TV."
I've heard of people coming to the US because they had mouths to feed back in Mexico or Guatemala. But a big screen TV?
What about the mansions in Gross Point? If there was Marxism in Detroit there wouldn't be such an uneven distribution of income. All the neighborhoods are extremely wealthy or extremely poor.
The rich are getting richer and are doing just fine. Even when an empire is falling, the rich do well, because they can take advantage of all the fire-sales the rest of the people are forced to hold just to survive. They profit more because of our troubles.
Rampant consumerism, sold to us as "freedom" (don't let the terrorists win, go shopping!) is a mindset.
We aren't even citizens anymore, we're "consumers".
@PersonVanInternetz i'll put it this way, remember what the red stripes stand for, freedom isn't free, and financial freedom is no different. if you think communism will save us all by giving everybody "free" money. well then you're just crazy.
@NewYorkFlavour im american and let me tell you capitalism totally kicks ass. not every city is a detroit and a lot of americans live in rural areas which is a completely different story. if you'll work hard and save what you can you can succeed in america.
This has all happened before...Look at USSR, its rise and demise for a blueprint of what is happening to US. Even though peoples are different, the underlying problem: sense of entitlement, greed, idleness, and ignorance are identical. There still may be a chance for this country, if people can change. Politicians, whether they are corporate thieves or stupid and thuggish community organizers, almost do not matter; it is all within us; I hope we find it again before it is too late.
Capitalism built this country, Marxism is destroying it - by design.
But what is done can be undone - let the freedom loving people form their own nation once again and let the Marxist agitators cry in their soup when there's no one left to complain to.
@utube9000 The New Deal and post-WW2 Keynesian compromise built the US. What destroyed it was corporatism and financial speculations that started after the 70s with the Reagan administration. Reagan and Thatcher and the neoliberals (I consider Clinton and Obama neoliberals to) is what created the conditions in which the economy fell. Marxism has nothing to do with it, it has more to do with Hayek and Friedman.
@ihatekhomeini The New Deal DID NOT build the US. WW2 put Americans to work and a post-WW2 Europe and Asia, with a devastated industrial base, relied upon American manufacturing to supply many of the manufactured goods that they could not make, thus launching the US into a powerhouse. All the New Deal did was put us into debt and give unemployed guys temporary jobs to dig one hole and fill another.
Unchecked Union control, empowered by FDR's NLRB, etc, ruined this country.
@dukesgrill@ihatekhomeini I realise that there is no point in discussing with Americans anymore. Most of you are so brainwashed from watching your corporate owned media that it's no use talking to you. Bye.
@utube9000 he New Deal and post-WW2 Keynesian compromise built the US. What destroyed it was corporatism and financial speculations that started after the 70s with the Reagan administration. Reagan and Thatcher and the neoliberals (I consider Clinton and Obama neoliberals to) is what created the conditions in which the economy fell. Marxism has nothing to do with it, it has more to do with Hayek and Friedman.
Beginning of the clip.. all American workers, working with steel US steel.. all American workers working in trades that had materials all made in this country. End of movie, everything is outsourced, their is nothing made here anymore, all those jobs are in china, japan, or India... and the community of Americans, "my generation" are idiots, and pussies, who would sell their grandmother to make 20 bucks..
If you want something interesting to read, download a little book called "The People's Pottage" its available at the Mises Institute or just google it. It describes how the New Deal was implemented you'll never look at FDR the same way again, and the comparisons to todays events will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck...
You're basically but not necessarily correct and yes, FDR was hardly a saint; he was as hard-nosed a politician as this country ever had and the Socialists that worked with FDR during the Depression AND during WWII was not all it should have been.
Still, what FDR did during the Depression had to be a counterweight to what CAUSED it; it was necessary at the time.
The real mess started more with Johnson's "The Great Society" in my honest opinion.
no, wrong on your count. Marxism is not rampant in union leadership here. This is due to the unions purging their leadership of Marxists in the 1950s Red Scare. Turns out, they purged their best and brightest and kept the unexceptional, mediocre hacks who sometimes were compromised by the Mafia.
@SatchmoSings - considering the US auto market once dominated the world, and all of the US auto sales have plumented, and Ford is 10 bucks a share and is losing money
I fail to see your point
additionally, every business like steel, textiles, transportation, etc have all been ruined by unions - not just the auto industry
the entire manufacturing sector has fled to china and mexico
If unions were as truly as strong as you say they are, they never would have let cheaper foreign-made goods flood these shores; it's not Unions that destroyed the mild tariffs that made US goods competitive.
Also, it wasn't the UAW that decided to make American cars poorly designed out of plastic.
@SatchmoSings - apparently your point was Ford is successful - and clearly it is losing money
the unions across the board have driven manufacturing expenses so high that companies have decided to close up shop and then choose to have goods made elsewhere
unions have destroyed all US auto makers, steel and just about any traditional manufacturing job here
unions had no say in foriegn goods because its hard to strike when the entire factory closes
@SatchmoSings not sure how plastics have any real impact on this because Toyota and Honda have the same materials - yet if you buy one, you can feel more confident that the car will give you less trouble than a comparable US car and thats sad
The de-industrialization of this country is an issue in many ways; it's just my personal opinion that labor unions didn't have as big a say in this as you claim; I will stick to my opinion that it is something that is the product more of the "white collars" than the blue.
There are also social phenomena involved with this; liberal politicians that, for example, destroyed Detroit, the destruction of the work-ethic, no more sense of responsibility, social promotion in schools, etc.
@SatchmoSings I use cryogenics to make metals last longer and resist wear, I almost got into one of the big three to treat their tooling which would save them a fortune - BUT the unions stopped it as they were concerned this technology would affect the jobs of the guys that change the tooling out - if the tools lasted longer, then they would have less to do
so the whole thing was torpedoed - the Unions do a lot more harm than you could ever imagine
@SatchmoSings I dont say to myself I dont want an american car because of plastics - although it is american cars I think of when I think of door handles that break off in your hand and buttons that fall off (plastics)
but I see that same cheap shit in toyotas
but I think american cars have the reputation of breaking down more often and have bad resale value, losing half of their value in 2-3 years - more because they arent made well
It is my feeling that the workmanship is not necessarily at fault; the designs are and that is NOT the fault of the unions, which was my original premise though I have agreed with everything you've subsequently said.
Read the Wikipedia articles on Roger Smith and GM; these two articles hoist just about all the blame on the white-collar side; I'd be interested in your critique, that is, if you have the time to first go over them.
@SatchmoSings and - I don't have to worry about workman's comp payments, I dont have to match social security taxes, I don't have to worry about health care and on and on
and you seriously wonder why NOTHING is made here anymore? the govt as well as greedy unions have made it impossible to do business here
Now then, DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THIS TOPIC or I'll have to send you a dissertation!!!
The government is a response, as I previously said, to the WHITE collars, not to the blue.
I live in New York State; you don't have to tell me what government has done here to wreck business, however if you're an insurance company or a bank, the State of New York becomes your personal collection agency . . .
@SatchmoSings ugh I know, the govt drives me crazy - its almost impossible to do business here now - I can see myself selling my business in ten years and moving out - Costa Rica is looking better every day
I would say the blue collar friends (Dems and Unions) have guaranteed that blues will have to live on welfare or mow yards as there isn't much left to do
the rust belt looks more like ghost towns every day
Do you have any idea why Americans don't comprehend these simple truths? It's not complicated at all, and yet most Americans seem to truly believe the fairy tales of the viability of social safety nets, union thuggery etc.
I don't understand how they can not understand how those things are destroying their society by destroying their job prospects.
They are lazy. It is easy to believe a rich politican that spends the money of rich supporters to get you to vote for them by saying they will take from the rich and give to you. They believe for the same reason a old lady spends $100 on bingo cards to win $40 or others spend nice chuck of thier paycheck on lotto tickets. They want something for nothing and want to think it is okay to take from you to support them.
its really very simple, Love the Lord your God and serve him only. Amen.
When we depart from that path , evil infects us like a Plauge, ruined morals , Ethics open wide the path for evil, yes it does, its simple to see. Look what happened to the Jews civilization, It lived in Peace in Solomons days, 40 years of building, Peace and Prosperity as the world never saw and will never see again. Solomon turned from his God and his sons set up evil things and worshipped them. It really is simple.
@danie123182 Union density doesn't really say anything about union power. Unions in Japan rarely go on strike (lowest rates among OECD countries I believe), and are completely coopted by the state. Salaries are much lower in Japan, and they have fewer benefits. I don't really think unions have much impact though, I think it has more to do with the big three not producing good quality and outsourcing production like you point out. But AUW is a strong union, and I guess that's a reason too?
@facelessDeathsquad It does look that way. Thomas Jeffeson's warning about "when Americans realize they can vote themselves free money from the public treasurey, the republic's doomed" looks to be playing out now. How very sad.
But you didn't answer my question as to "why"? Why can't the average Joe see the whole thing for what it is? Do you think it's stupidity? Or they know where all the socialistic stuff's leading, but they just don't want to admit it to themselves?
@facelessDeathsquad@facelessDeathsquad It does look that way. Thomas Jeffeson's warning about "when Americans realize they can vote themselves free money from the public treasurey, the republic's doomed" looks to be playing out now. How very sad.
But you didn't answer my question as to "why"? Why can't the average Joe see the whole thing for what it is? Do you think it's stupidity? Or they know where all the socialistic stuff's leading, but they just don't want to admit it to themselves?
@glocker8888 wrote "most Americans seem to truly believe the fairy tales of the viability of social safety nets, union thuggery etc" here 7 months ago.
Response:
"The whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th century is being deployed to enable wealth to persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power." - Aneurin Bevan, British Labour Party leader
@glocker8888 Union thuggery, that's the problem? There's plenty of countries where unions are the reason why workers are treated properly. I only know one country that uses the union as a scapegoat to its problems. You think unions are so powerful to destroy a country?. Detroit's problem is they invested in one industry that died. Your car companies are drying because no one needs trucks and suvs that cost 100$ to fill up the tank. Your banks failed because they carelessly gave out money.
@five5x Actually that's the funny thing - GM went bankrupt partly because tehy went so heavily into hybrids and alternate fuel cars. Ford was the one pushing quality trucks and SUVs, which have actually sold very well. In fact, SUVs were one of the very few successful innovations to come out of the US car industry recently. As for derivatives, that was sparked by a government social program meant to provide housing loans to people without jobs or income.
EdM021, you say Marxism has never been implemented in the U.S.??? What would you call the New Deal,Social Security,public/forced schooling,the "Great Society" Policies of LBJ???If it looks like Marx,quacks like Marx.....it must be Marx!!! ;)
Great society aint so great is it?
theredpillxxx 1 week ago
great location for apocalyptic movie.
moistfaucet 2 months ago
can these places be fix up for the homeless. or are these building just lost.
zoretta1 2 months ago
Uh,...No, What is shown in this video is the very intentional outcome of trickle-down economics.The gap between the rich and poor is getting wider and that is what is intended. Free trade is a euphemism for out-sourcing.
Thinking that this country will turn into a economic utopia if 80% of the population starts working for the same wages as in China or Mexico is only for those who can-not-face-REALITY!
Autojones 3 months ago
And what is the name of the musical piece with the piano? I like it.
thesiouxgoddess 3 months ago
I'm over here in New York City. But.............I have heard people talk about how certain areas of Flint and Detroit, Michigan are like GHOST TOWNS! Is that true? I'm watching this video..........I'm like "Some of this is part of the AMERICAN landscape???"
thesiouxgoddess 3 months ago
progressive leadership.
rickster348 3 months ago
We built this city on sex and drugs.
S0lidState 4 months ago
god Americans are dumb, it is not Marxism thats done this tio the usa its greed!
bikegirl2 4 months ago 2
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Detroit-very Marxist monopolistic labor unions (like in Marxism)
New York (70's)- wide range of free social services (Marxism)
Look at Europe in a crisis over socialism issues.
Look at USSR.
Look at Cuba.
Look at "the greediest cities in America", if you think you can really measure greed. The poor citizens are probably better off there than "Less greedy Marxist cities"
Before you ask I do know the difference between Marxism, Communism, Socialism and many other far left platforms.
MNgeneralfinance 3 months ago
@MNgeneralfinance you don't know what u talking about you just saying the same yankee bullshit,you don't gotta pay to go to school in cuba,books are free,like hospitals,etc...cuba is way better than most liberal countries over america cuba is a great nation, even with the yankee economy block everyone who don't lick america's asshole is fucked up i wonder how much oil yankees r robbing from gadaffi right now europe is down because of capitalism sistem italy is not socialist,france neither
deumevet 3 months ago
@deumevet rofl my parents were born in cuba and i have been to cuba. its a rundown shithole where no one has anything and people are scared shitless because they have no freedom of speech etc. you might want to actually go there before you start talking candyass
MrRakah 3 months ago
@MNgeneralfinance capitalism put the world in a shithole but you r fuckin brainwashed because of your nazionalist,facist, education system,
deumevet 3 months ago
@deumevet The most successful countries on earth have all been capitalist. The fastest growing cities in America are drawing up all the millionaires that do not want to be in places like New York and Los Angeles, which are the furthest left leaning places in America. Your side does not even have one positive blowout example of wide scale communism succeeding in any form.
Capitalism is what created all these buildings on this video. Marxist unions drove it down.
MNgeneralfinance 3 months ago
What built America and when did that change. Yes, it was productivity and innovation. But Americans were moral and virtuous with standards for behavior. Greed was a sin along with fornication and drug use. The 1960's "social revolution" started the decline of a great people and the result is the material decline of the nation.
sonia0865 6 months ago
Chrony Capitalism. Notice how much Obama admires CHINA.......
Boetica1960 9 months ago
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Detroit is the Progressive poster child! We have seen time and time again that Progressive programs in theory are admirable but in reality are disastrous and doomed to failure. Look at China, USSR, Greece, England ect.. When you take a little a few of the productive turn unproductive or leave, then you have to take a little more so more turn unproductive or leave eventually the system runs out of other peoples assets and all will starve as their is not enough to go around! Viva Reagan!
dsmith6289 1 year ago
The architecture on those buildings would be beautiful if they were intact.
quatlen 1 year ago
And elements of Marxism (hypocrisy, irrational hatred of people involved in commerce or stock trading, a focus on the secular religion of Marx) are also on the rise. That trnd has led to teh rise of a Marxist-dominated China, and of hypocrisy and exploitation in the name of "collectivism" throughout the world. The so-called "Green Movement" is at least as guilty in this regard.
I'd like to see this trend stop too. Unfortunately, I think Marxist politics are simply too profitable to stop.
DrCruel 1 year ago
HARD CORE MARXISTS WHO FOLLOW THE "LOGIC" OF DIALECTICAL-MATERIALISM SIMULTANEOUSLY BELIEVE THAT BOTH THE FALL CAPITALISM IS INEVITABLE AND THAT THEY HAVE TO HELP MAKE THAT FALL HAPPEN. (IT'S PART OF THEIR INSANITY.) CAPITALISM DID NOT CREATE DETROIT'S FALL. THE COMMUNIST GOAL OF WORLD CONQUEST DID.
mn8aol 1 year ago
MARXIST HELEGIAN-DIALECTIC CREATES THE PROBLEM AND PRESENTS THE SOLUTION. IT IS EVIL.
mn8aol 1 year ago
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@DrCruel "They are in teh Tea Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists." Dream on dude. That movement has been taken over by Neo-cons. I used to be part of it, but now its totally impotent. Voting is NOT the answer; it has NEVER been how change has happened. Change happens through organization and action at the grassroots level. P.S. What do you mean "post-marxist". You can't get rid of an idea, dude. All you can do is keep showing people that its stupid.
tstruss912 1 year ago
what a waste of what was beautiful huge homes...what a shame
gsp160 1 year ago
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@DrCruel "Tolerance? Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? " North Korea and Cuba are basically dictatorships. How are dictatorships leftist? History is very clear on the fact that the right-wing-not the left-wing-supports totalitarian governments. Classical communism means NO STATE! How can a totalitarian state be communist? It makes no sense. You are getting propaganda from some where. Which talking-head is it coming from...
tstruss912 1 year ago
Yes, Marxism caused this....fuckin christ-America is chock-full of retards. UNREGULATED CAPITALISM CAUSED THIS!!! IDIOTS!!! sorry about that...
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 These ruins are caused by a lack of capitalism, not an abundance of it. Marxism is kleptocratic - it criminalizes commerce in order to justify robbing business entrepreneurs, and ultimately wrecks everything it touches.
If we've been stupid, it's because we've been foolish enough to extend our tolerance to Leftists, who are equivalent to fascists. That's been our horrible mistake.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel I know you are worried about this country, so am I. But, this has nothing to do with left-right; this has to do with wall-street, unions, and other corporate entities doing whatever they please. The bailout is a good example; corrupt management took big risks that "failed", caused the problem, and the taxpayers then had to "fix" it. Please, don't listen to hucksters on TV that are doing ENTERTAINMENT-read instead. Leftist = fascist shows a lack of understanding. Take it easy.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 I don't think there is a coherent "Right" except in Marxian mythology. Rightists once were supporters of aristocratic privilege, but Leftists seem to be the advocates of such things nowadays. The "bourgeois" were once the great bogeymen - but they've been chased out of most of our major cities already. In some cases (such as with the PRC), Marxists have taken their place.
Leftists are fascists. What happened to the banks is the sort of thing fascists do.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Ahhh, my lungs are on fire. Don't run in the cold! lol. Well, I think that maybe what you're getting at is that PURPORTED leftists are actually fascists, and I would agree with that. Obama and Co. are as much "leftists" as Hitler. So far they have given big business everything they wanted (cronyism), kept up aggression in the countries we are occupying (obsession with national security), and BO's in the CFR (controlled mass media). Obama = fake socialist like Hitler, but not as bad.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@DrCruel Basically, both the classical left and right are good things, the "neo" left and right...not so much. Modern politicians are corporate PR puppets that spew meaningless bullshit to make us FEEL good so that they can get into office and appease their REAL masters. A vote by the top marketing firms in 2008 ranked the campaigns something like this (from memory): 1) Brand Obama; 2) Apple; 3) Nike; 4) ???; 5) Brand McCain. Ed Bernays would be proud-the "bewildered herd" is under control....
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 The "classic" Left were Jacobins. The "classic" Right were monarchists. In the modern era, the split is different - the Left has become a huge, transnational criminal syndicate involved in drug trafficking and slavery, and the "Right" is whosoever they happen to be targetting at the moment.
Ed Bernays has nothing to do with it. Saul Alinsky maybe.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel ' the Left has become a huge, transnational criminal syndicate involved in drug trafficking and slavery, and the "Right" ' So all criminals are "leftists"? And, all those who follow the law are "rightists"? Where are you getting this stuff from? The facts don't support your theory at all. Do you understand the terms? To simplify it for you the left are mostly P and/or N (myer-briggs) types; the right are mostly S and J types. That generalizes across countries and time-spans.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 Not all criminals are Leftists. The vast majority of Leftists, however, are criminals - or at least, criminal wannabes hoping ot get "made" by their higher-ups for outstanding service.
I get my "stuff" from empirical observations of and discussions with Leftists, eitehr at protests or ISO meetings. I do not speak idly about them, and I mean exactly what I say.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Those on the left are more open-minded and see the big picture; those on the right are quicker to make decisions and focus on details better. Those are the differences in thinking that lead to the formation of R & L factions in different societies. It actually works best when they work in a team. Many corporate managers understand that simple fact and use the MBTI to help them form teams that solve problems from different angles. Those at the top will always cry "right ! left!"...
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 I've had contact with both spokespeople for the ISO and members of the US governmetn on the highest levels. The government people certainly have their agendas, but I have never experienced bald-faced deceit so deliberately employed as from Leftists. I have caught Leftists in numerous lies, and have saw them continue to push their agendas anyway without losing a beat.
Tolerance? Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? Please.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel "Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? Please." Those are not leftist. They are "leftist". They are called "leftist" by our propaganda machine. Leftist economics = worker control. Leftist ideology = equality. How in the fuck does NK or Cuba fit the classical definition of leftist?
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 They are only "not Leftist" after the fact. When they were in their prime, Leftists touted them as perfect examples of Marxism. Now that the inevitable collapse of those pyramid schemes have come to pass, the Marxists don't even remember what they've said themselves.
But you're right about one thing. How the fuck can you say, after all that's happened, that Marxism has anything to do with worker control or equality?
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Since you're repeating right-wing propaganda I can assume that those S and/or J characteristics in your thinking have been exploited by the hucksters on the "right" (top would be more accurate). I have noticed what Noam Chomsky calls "internal logic" within arguments from right-wing hucksters. They work because they focus attention on certain details (cherry-picked, of course) and construct the big picture using only those. Please, be aware that they are attempting to manipulate you.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 "Right wing propaganda" is it? Who then? The Bourbons? The Windsors? Or am I to accept Marxisn myth, and assume that merchants and speculators on stocks have become the new "monarchists" according to a magical dialectical process? Because from what I've seen, Leftists go after "capitalists" for the same reason that pirates go after merchant shipping - it's just that the Marxists aren't nearly as honest about what they do for a living.
That's no "nit-pick", kid.
DrCruel 1 year ago
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@DrCruel "Tolerance? Name me a tolerant Leftist regime. Cuba? North Korea? The PRC? " North Korea and Cuba are basically dictatorships. How are dictatorships leftist? History is very clear on the fact that the right-wing-not the left-wing-supports totalitarian governments. Classical communism means NO STATE! How can a totalitarian state be communist? It makes no sense. You are getting propaganda from some where. Which talking-head is it coming from...
tstruss912 1 year ago
@DrCruel "Or am I to accept Marxisn myth, and assume that merchants and speculators on stocks have become the new "monarchists" according to a magical dialectical process?" Are you aware that 9/10 people who win political campaigns in America have more campaign money than the other guy? That money comes in large part from those with much dough. Obama got 3.5 mil (at least..) from banksters. Ever heard of capital flight? Lobbying? The media?? Nuff said.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 Are you aware that 10/10 people who win political campaigns in Marxist countries have the endorsement of the Party leadership? That the public has virtually no input at all in how leaders are chosen?
And what has that to do with equating business owners with aristocrats? What does having "more dough" have to do with business ownership, as so many rich people nowadays are part of the governmental managerial elite? Ever hear of the Beltway? What "business" does Obama own?
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel "That the public has virtually no input at all in how leaders are chosen?" Ya....and we have a choice? Bush, Kerry, Clinton, Obama -they are all elites. Do the policies really change? Do they really listen to us? Polls show that 75-80% (depending on the poll) of Americans think our voting system is a game between special interests and elitists. Just because other systems are worse that does NOT mean we have no work to do here. We should be the BEST! Right now we're a joke...
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 At the moment, there are people in the US who have formed up to combat the very thing you describe. They are in teh Tea Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists.
If there are problems in our global society, then the Marxists are one of the biggest. They are certainly not in any way, shape or form part of any solution. Certainly there will still be problems once we live in a post-Marxist world, but one thing is true - it will be a better world without Marxism and Marxists.
DrCruel 1 year ago
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@DrCruel "They are in teh Tea Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists." Dream on dude. That movement has been taken over by Neo-cons. I used to be part of it, but now its totally impotent. Voting is NOT the answer; it has NEVER been how change has happened. Change happens through organization and action at the grassroots level. P.S. What do you mean "post-marxist". You can't get rid of an idea, dude. All you can do is keep showing people that its stupid.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@DrCruel "They are in teh Tea? Party movement, and are mocked mainly by Leftists." Dream on dude. That movement has been taken over by Neo-cons. I used to be part of it, but now its totally impotent. Voting is NOT the answer; it has NEVER been how change has happened. Change happens through organization and action at the grassroots level. P.S. What do you mean "post-marxist". You can't get rid of an idea, dude. All you can do is keep showing people that its stupid.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 We're "post-Nazi". Why not "post-Marxist" too? Why is mindless hate based on class superior to mindless hate based on race?
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Well, both suck...sure. My point was that you can't remove an idea from the world anymore. It was possible back in the days of ancient Greece when they burned the Library of Alexandria (a terrible loss), but now the best you can do is point out why certain things don't work. People would listen if you said "the results or worker run companies are not good", but if you say "post-marxism" they will just get curious about Marxism.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 I don't have a problem with worker-run companies. I have a problem with Marxism - a secular feudalist Ponzi scheme masquerading as "social justice". Indeed, Marxism is not so much an "idea" as it is a con-game.
Again, we're "post-aristocracy". Blue bloods no longer rule us by virtue of their divine genetic rights bestowed by the sky god of Israel. Why should we then let ruthless cultists bring back a feudal world in the name of a 19th century anti-Semitic German nutjob?
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel To be honest I don't even like using the following words anymore: Marxism, communism, democracy, Nazism, socialism etc. Almost all political words have been twisted by the propaganda system. One of the key components of socialism is worker-run companies, but it's twisted to mean Stalinism and Nazism....even though they had NOTHING to do with classical communism or socialism. If anything, the Obama administration is exhibiting NAZI tendencies, not Marxist ones. What do you think?
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912--OBAMA FOLLOWS CLEARLY OBSERVABLE MARXIST IDEOLOGY.
mn8aol 1 year ago
@mn8aol You're talking about Marxism as defined by the propaganda system. I'm talking about Marxism in the classical sense. It's just like the term "democracy"; democracy (in the classical sense) means the people have a somewhat equal say, but the propaganda system defines it as a society that is under control. The book the Crisis of Democracy shows that quite nicely. In the book the elite lament about how there was "too much participation" in the 60's and that it threatened the "democracy".
tstruss912 1 year ago
@mn8aol--NO I AM SPEAKING IN THE CLASSICAL SENSE. WHEN OBAMA STATES THAT THEIR ARE NO ABOSOLUTE TRUTHS HE IS SPEAKING FOUNDATIONAL DIALECTICAL-MATERIALISM. NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T TALK THAT WAY. OUR COUNTRY IS A REPUBLIC AS GUARANTEED BY THE 4TH AMENDMENT. IT HAS NEVER BEEN A DEMOCRACY.
watch?v=x3bSeO9zU20 Political Correctness aka Cultural Marxism. Part 1 of 7
mn8aol 1 year ago
@tstruss912 I don't think Obama is doing anything that is fundamentally different from what George W. Bush was doing. And I don't think the words are "twisted" - I think that once you violate the rights of people to personal property and personal accoutability, and instead force some version of "collectivism" on others at the point of a gun, Stalinism and Nazism (and a number of similar spinoffs) naturally follows.
What's more I think Marxists know this, and simply want to be petty dictators.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Collectivism and independence must be balanced, I think. They should not be looked at in absolutist terms. There are some functions that collectivist institutions should run such as: National currency, healthcare, community services, the penal system, etc. There should not be a profit motive in any of those because it has been tried and has failed. Private enterprise can do everything else, with much less gov help though. Elements of Marxism are Ok, but the extreme form is not.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 hey im just going to interject... about national currency healthcare and community services... these are all areas where the free market would better serve the consumer. because any monopolistic priveledges granted wipes out competition and ultimitely drives costs up and quality down. even during the slave trade, the absolutely worst thing to happen in modern society, the slaves were better cared for when the captain of the ship had to sell the slaves on the market in the port city..
phroto13 11 months ago
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Its all how capitalism settle his things off - always
MarshallJukov 11 months ago
@tstruss912 instead of being paid upon recieving the slaves... now im not saying that this is by any means a good model for markets im saying that privitization gives someone that may not even care about your well being a reason to do whats best for you in order to make a buck... now in order provide this competition there needs to be a balance to the centralised collectivist forces that we have seen in the 20th century... in the early 19th century we recognized states as having the freedom..
phroto13 11 months ago
@tstruss912 ... to seceed from this centralized union and thus provide a check to that central power. they also are constitutionally the only ones allowed to mint currency so the competition bred to keep an honest currency of gold or silver would be the foremost priority of a state, and thus would stabalize commodity prices... the only reason health insurance is so high is because doctors have to offset the loss that it costs to treat patients on medicare and medicate and the fact that through..
phroto13 11 months ago
@tstruss912 the university system the profession of medicine has been monopolized... a grandmother could tell you that you have a cold... you dont need someone to have gone to med school for 8 years to do that... so by having a more loosely controlled practice doctors wouldnt need to offset the costs of education with the patients money... and as for quality there are online ways of checking a doctors credentials, much the same way as rate my professor(dot) com and since your health is much...
phroto13 11 months ago
@tstruss912 more serious you'd be willing to do a lot more research... and with this wouldnt you trust you or a family memebre to make a better decision about your health then someone in a gov office that has much less to lose?... now we have to understand that there is no such thing as perfection in this world, but the one thing that we have seen over the last century is that the quality of life for the masses improves exponentially as the choice in market activity is the guiding force...
phroto13 11 months ago
@tstruss912 ... for an awesome comparrison see east germany and west germany or east and west berlin for that matter... also we can ultimately rely on everyone doing what is in their own best interest and in this sense if a business owner is left to run a business then he has to answer to the market in order to win the vote of the consumers every day, but a politician or bureaucrat only has to prove his or herself once and then has free reign to shady backroom deals for 4 years as the general...
phroto13 11 months ago
@phroto13 As for healthcare, sure, I'm for competition, which is why I favor the Swiss model. I'm actually a Swiss citizen because my mom was born there and I lived there for two years. Also my uncle is a doctor in Interlaken. With their system you can still pick what level of insurance you want; you get fast, good service; and it costs 33% less per capita! The fact that we haven't adopted that model just shows (again...) how greedy and powerful modern fascists are.
tstruss912 10 months ago
@tstruss912
Shut up. If you were half as smart as you're pretending to be, you wouldn't be spending your day spamming youtube biatch
hayhopotato2207 10 months ago
@hayhopotato2207 Silence yourself before I eat you with chives and sour cream, biatch.
tstruss912 10 months ago
@tstruss912 public suffers for their incompetence in the ability to run that business... also if the government is given the power to make one individual, the doctor, work without access to the fruits of his own labor, isnt this the same principal as slavery? so if it is wrong, illegal and immoral for an individual to own a slave, then why should a group of individuals under the veil of "community" have access to that doctors fruits without the doctors say in the compensation he recieves?
phroto13 11 months ago
@phroto13 Free markets have never existed, nor will they ever exist. We will always have systems that are composed of many elements, some toward individualism, and some toward collectivism, etc. The question we should be asking is, "does this current configuration benefit us?". The answer is no. There have been studies done by political scientists that show how policy is almost always what the super-rich want, and the opposite of what the poor want; the middle-class is basically ignored.
tstruss912 10 months ago
@phroto13 Right now the elements are being screwed in favor of the super-rich. Wallstreet got bailouts and went back to getting record bonuses; teachers lost the right to bargain. According to CATO big-business gets 75 billion EVERY year, but, of course, we are now talking about cutting "entitlements" (aka services we paid for) instead of that 75 billion (which comes from individuals and small-business). I read in Business Week that Google pays like 2% tax, we must pay up to 35%.
tstruss912 10 months ago
@phroto13 This society is run by big business, for big business. Right now big business has total freedom (hardly any regulation, paying very little in taxes via loopholes, etc), and zero responsibility. They can legally propagandize us, and collect fat checks from the gov for being incompetent. They can set their own salaries to a degree we can't imagine, even if they're totally incompetent. So, if you're serious about free-markets then the FIRST thing to go has to be modern corporations.
tstruss912 10 months ago
@tstruss912 You don't know much about economics, do you? Please talk to Obama about his chronies at GE paying NO TAXES. How about all of these unions and other companies that give tons to Democrat politicians getting waivers for the new healthcare bill that will bankrupt the country? What do you think about this new Executive Order requiring anyone wanting a government contract having to reveal what donations they have given to politicians or groups that give money to politicians?
Boetica1960 9 months ago
@Boetica1960 I never said democrats were not part of the problem. Also, proper healthcare reform would SAVE us hundreds of billions per year because the profit and overhead of the healthcare monopolies add about 30% to the cost. Democrats are not interested in healthcare reform, and republicans are not interested in fixing the deficit. Do you understand or are you still in denial and think that voting is the cure?
tstruss912 9 months ago
@DrCruel I'm always wary of anybody who wants full neo-marxism or totally "free-markets". Neither would benefit ordinary Americans; they are scams to get something, I'm sure. I agree that Bush and Obama are similar and I want to revise what I said earlier about them being Nazis. I actually think that certain elements of Nazism (hypocrisy, focus on security, religiosity, etc) have been on the rise since 2001. I want the trend to stop soon...maybe that's my resolution for this year.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 america doesnt have unregulated capitalism. america has mercantalism whereby one companies buy monopolies from the government through licensing then recieve subsidies... this is far from free market
phroto13 10 months ago 2
one truth is that the capitalist learned they could make more money manipulating the stock market and selling off assets than actually properly running a company..........it's now a smoke and mirrors economy..........and money moves at the speed of light from country to country........being patriotic doesnt work anymore
capnvideo2006 1 year ago
thanks alot unions!
thescooterbell 1 year ago
You've got it the wrong way 'round mate.
Yourebuying 1 year ago
"In the 1950s there were ~800 labor newspapers read by tens of millions of people which gave a far more varied viewpoint to the news. These papers condemned corporate media for damning labor at every opportunity while glossing over the sins of banking and industrial magnates who really controlled the nation. The labor viewpoint was countered by a powerful campaign to reeducate the public to the "evils" of unionism, conflating anti-union attitudes with pro-American attitudes."
bapyou 1 year ago
"After WW2, business leaders had to renew with vigor the everlasting battle for the minds of men and indoctrinate citizens with the capitalist story. We have 3 to 5 years to sell our preferred way of life."
Anti-union campaigns portrayed unions as anti-American with the sober, hardworking working man, the housewife and the corporate executive on one side, and the "outside agitators" (nee "communists) on the other.
bapyou 1 year ago
Ahhh yes. The glorious prosperity of capitalism.
bapyou 1 year ago
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@bapyou "I am pretty misreable living under capitalism" You ever think of this? You might be misreable living anywhere under any system but atleast with capitalism you have the choice to work hard and do something or sit around smoking pot and playing video games complaining about how rich people are ripping you off. I'll bet you own a car, have big screen TV, a PS2, you eat 3 times a day, have plenty of time to watch TV, STUFF THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WOULD RISK THEIR LIVES FOR.
Albee213 1 year ago
@Albee213 "You might be misreable living anywhere under any system"
Perhaps. I have no way of camparing. I have no money to experience any other placer. Thanks.
"with capitalism you have the choice to work hard"
You have no choice. You are at the whim of those with the money.
bapyou 1 year ago
@Albee213
As for your idiotic personal attacks:
(a) I don't smoke pot
(b) consider video games are stupid beyond belief
(c) drive a 20 year old car
(d) do not own a TV (by choice)
(e) I don't know what a PS2 is
(f) I eat 3 times a day when I have the time
"STUFF THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WOULD RISK THEIR LIVES FOR."
People would risk their lives to won a big screen TV? Please provide me with the name of a person who came to the U.S. because they wanted "a big screen TV."
bapyou 1 year ago
The problem with all these old inter-cities is because "gas prices" are far TOO LOW. If our people would wake up and get gas to $5-$7 a gallon, these cities would be gleaming gems in less than 10 years. cheap car usage is the problem... now you know!
tnoyy34rt 1 year ago
At least this video has attracted little attraction. Marxism my ass. Job banks definitely were a factor but corporate incompetence and corruption, financial political influence, housing market manipulation, and the extreme amount of wealth being siphoned out of public hands into a the hands of the privileged elitist minority is destroying this country.
Name a single major problem in the U.S. that is not directly attributable to corporate interests overriding the public good. A single one.
0past 1 year ago 2
@0past You win.
planet9 1 year ago
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0past 1 year ago
"When the corporation becomes enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow. And the money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed." - Abraham Lincoln
bapyou 1 year ago
In Cuba there are no homeless. No one pays rent to a landlord.
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"Patriotism is nothing more than the organized group interests of the privileged class." — Bakunin
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"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half of the working class."
- Jay Gould, 19th century American financier and capitalist.
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"He or she who is not angry when there is just cause for anger sins." - St. Thomas Aquinas
bapyou 1 year ago
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@bapyou “If You Want to Make an Omelet, You Must Be Willing to Break a Few Eggs.” — Lenin Killed Millions
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Mao Tse-Tung - Killed Millions
"Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem." Joseph Stalin - KILLED MILLIONS!
Capitalism has brought prosperity to HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE Communism does bring equality, EVERYONE IS MISREABLE!
Albee213 1 year ago
@Albee213 "Capitalism has brought prosperity to HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ... (Under) Communism EVERYONE IS MISREABLE!"
A fallacy if ever there was one. Personally, I'm pretty miserable living under capitalism, & I know more people also suffering than those who are not. But it's always our fault; never is it the fault of a grossly unequal economic system.
& why no mention of the many instances of US overthrows of governments in your diatribe? The US killed millions in SE Asia & Iraq.
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou Yeah, communist controls build fences to keep their people in, America has to build fences to keep people out... I wonder why that is?
Albee213 1 year ago
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@Albee213 "America has to build fences to keep people out... I wonder why that is?"
It's a function of wealth distribution and economic policy. If I had to feed my family, I'd want to be where the money is as well. America has the greatest wealth through sheer selfishness of America's elites, not through any generosity of spirit.
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou But since you are unhappy along with a few other people the rest of us should give our money to the GOV so that they can give you healthcare, free food and maybe a place to stay so you can watch more TV and then still complain about how unhappy you are and that life is not fair and that anyone who has a job should be punished more for your amuzement.
Albee213 1 year ago
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@Albee213 "since you are unhappy along with a few other people the rest of us should give our money to the GOV so that they can give you healthcare, free food and maybe a place to stay so you can watch more TV"
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Yeah. I've heard this about a hundred times before from moron motherfucking right-wingers like you.
"Liberals don't work! They sit around collecting welfare & buying Cadillacs!"
Do you really believe such dopey idiocies? Really? Where's the evidence for such behavior?
bapyou 1 year ago
@Albee213
Do you have any idea how much I loathe everything and everyone right-wing? Until my last breath, I will loathe everything, every lie, every stupidity for which you stand. You are the scum of the Earth. In truth, it is the right-wing who are the sponges. The owners of capital suck off of working people, legislating for the absolute minimum of responsibility towards workers.
And the owners of capital are whom you stand up for ... against working people. I'd fucking kill you.
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou Right wing? Who spunges from everthying? Liberals and wealfare, "supposed" free healthcare, Unions these are what sponge from people who work. I work hard for what I earn and I have never asked for a handout but I am tired of my money being STOLEN from me by the Government so that they can free food to someone who wants to watch TV and do drugs rather that get educated. Communism makes everyone lazy, why should I work hard when I get paid the same as a lazy bum.
Albee213 1 year ago
@Albee213
"The whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th century is being deployed to enable wealth to persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power." - Aneurin Bevan, British Labour Party leader
"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard
"Patriotism is nothing more than the organized group interests of the privileged class." — Bakunin
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou And you are just another PUSSY that thinks he cam make threats on other people, so common of you marxist trash, if somoene does not agree with you they should die. typical of all commy thrash throughout history and thats why people hate your opressive marxist ideas becuase they only get people killed for wanthing to be free...
Albee213 1 year ago
@Albee213
FYI, genius:
1. I also work for a living.
2. I pay for my meals.
3. I don't even own a TV let alone sit around watching one.
4. I have a master's degree, thanks.
And still, with all of this, I am barely making it. And there's a good chance, since I can't afford health care, I'll be checking off this Earth in a few years.
So thanks, capitalism, the greatest economic system that's ever been devised. Everyyone but the lucky few are in the poor house.
bapyou 1 year ago
@Albee213
"typical of all commy thrash throughout history and thats why people hate your opressive marxist ideas becuase they only get people killed for wanthing to be free."
Tell that to the ghost of Wesley Everest.
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I'm still waiting for you to provide me with the name of a person who risked their life coming to the U.S. because they wanted "a big screen TV."
I've heard of people coming to the US because they had mouths to feed back in Mexico or Guatemala. But a big screen TV?
bapyou 1 year ago
What about the mansions in Gross Point? If there was Marxism in Detroit there wouldn't be such an uneven distribution of income. All the neighborhoods are extremely wealthy or extremely poor.
nmcclure79 1 year ago
Marxism? You mean Empire and Capitalism?
The rich are getting richer and are doing just fine. Even when an empire is falling, the rich do well, because they can take advantage of all the fire-sales the rest of the people are forced to hold just to survive. They profit more because of our troubles.
Rampant consumerism, sold to us as "freedom" (don't let the terrorists win, go shopping!) is a mindset.
We aren't even citizens anymore, we're "consumers".
Marxism? You've been brainwashed well.
nickqt 1 year ago
@PersonVanInternetz 1) that wasnt an attack
2) what the hell are you a conspiracy theroist?
UnchainTheNight1 1 year ago
@PersonVanInternetz i'll put it this way, remember what the red stripes stand for, freedom isn't free, and financial freedom is no different. if you think communism will save us all by giving everybody "free" money. well then you're just crazy.
UnchainTheNight1 1 year ago
@PersonVanInternetz im not like what you think im like, dont treat me like im a complete idiot....
UnchainTheNight1 1 year ago
I cannot believe you blame the Marx Brothers for so much. There's no way they are responsible for all of this.
DexterFishbourne 1 year ago
This is post-Capitalism!
Most of the cities that were displayed were AMERICAN cities.
What you are all looking at is the failure of Capitalism.
NewYorkFlavour 1 year ago
@NewYorkFlavour im american and let me tell you capitalism totally kicks ass. not every city is a detroit and a lot of americans live in rural areas which is a completely different story. if you'll work hard and save what you can you can succeed in america.
UnchainTheNight1 1 year ago
This has all happened before...Look at USSR, its rise and demise for a blueprint of what is happening to US. Even though peoples are different, the underlying problem: sense of entitlement, greed, idleness, and ignorance are identical. There still may be a chance for this country, if people can change. Politicians, whether they are corporate thieves or stupid and thuggish community organizers, almost do not matter; it is all within us; I hope we find it again before it is too late.
DennisGorshteyn 1 year ago
@DennisGorshteyn Amen!
UnchainTheNight1 1 year ago
Capitalism built this country, Marxism is destroying it - by design.
But what is done can be undone - let the freedom loving people form their own nation once again and let the Marxist agitators cry in their soup when there's no one left to complain to.
utube9000 1 year ago
@utube9000 The New Deal and post-WW2 Keynesian compromise built the US. What destroyed it was corporatism and financial speculations that started after the 70s with the Reagan administration. Reagan and Thatcher and the neoliberals (I consider Clinton and Obama neoliberals to) is what created the conditions in which the economy fell. Marxism has nothing to do with it, it has more to do with Hayek and Friedman.
ihatekhomeini 1 year ago
@ihatekhomeini The New Deal DID NOT build the US. WW2 put Americans to work and a post-WW2 Europe and Asia, with a devastated industrial base, relied upon American manufacturing to supply many of the manufactured goods that they could not make, thus launching the US into a powerhouse. All the New Deal did was put us into debt and give unemployed guys temporary jobs to dig one hole and fill another.
Unchecked Union control, empowered by FDR's NLRB, etc, ruined this country.
dukesgrill 1 year ago
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@dukesgrill @ihatekhomeini I realise that there is no point in discussing with Americans anymore. Most of you are so brainwashed from watching your corporate owned media that it's no use talking to you. Bye.
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ihatekhomeini 1 year ago
@utube9000 he New Deal and post-WW2 Keynesian compromise built the US. What destroyed it was corporatism and financial speculations that started after the 70s with the Reagan administration. Reagan and Thatcher and the neoliberals (I consider Clinton and Obama neoliberals to) is what created the conditions in which the economy fell. Marxism has nothing to do with it, it has more to do with Hayek and Friedman.
ihatekhomeini 1 year ago
Anyone know the name of the classical piece which starts to play half way through please?
cruelcruellife 2 years ago
Beginning of the clip.. all American workers, working with steel US steel.. all American workers working in trades that had materials all made in this country. End of movie, everything is outsourced, their is nothing made here anymore, all those jobs are in china, japan, or India... and the community of Americans, "my generation" are idiots, and pussies, who would sell their grandmother to make 20 bucks..
TheManInDboX 2 years ago
it all looks like moviesets from a weird movie
cyclonesupercell 2 years ago
Urban Sprawl is why Detroit is dying 4 million live in Suburbs
faeyth28 2 years ago
faeyth28--
You're making a joke, I hope.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
If you want something interesting to read, download a little book called "The People's Pottage" its available at the Mises Institute or just google it. It describes how the New Deal was implemented you'll never look at FDR the same way again, and the comparisons to todays events will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck...
xXU2BerXx 2 years ago
xXU2BerXx--
You're basically but not necessarily correct and yes, FDR was hardly a saint; he was as hard-nosed a politician as this country ever had and the Socialists that worked with FDR during the Depression AND during WWII was not all it should have been.
Still, what FDR did during the Depression had to be a counterweight to what CAUSED it; it was necessary at the time.
The real mess started more with Johnson's "The Great Society" in my honest opinion.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
mans greed
randog69 2 years ago
Uhhh Is this video a joke? ROFL MARXISM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
yendor112 2 years ago 8
Having never been implemented in the U.S., MARXISM DID NOT CAUSE THIS.
EdM021 2 years ago
uhhh wrong, unions caused this and you will find marism rampant in union leadership and doctrine
wkwickham 2 years ago
no, wrong on your count. Marxism is not rampant in union leadership here. This is due to the unions purging their leadership of Marxists in the 1950s Red Scare. Turns out, they purged their best and brightest and kept the unexceptional, mediocre hacks who sometimes were compromised by the Mafia.
EdM021 2 years ago
wkwickham--
When Ford does 3/4s of GM's gross with 2/3s the employees, mostly white collar, I fail to see where Marxist unions are involved.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings - considering the US auto market once dominated the world, and all of the US auto sales have plumented, and Ford is 10 bucks a share and is losing money
I fail to see your point
additionally, every business like steel, textiles, transportation, etc have all been ruined by unions - not just the auto industry
the entire manufacturing sector has fled to china and mexico
wkwickham 2 years ago
wkwickham--
You don't "fail to see my point."
You just refuse to agree with me.
If unions were as truly as strong as you say they are, they never would have let cheaper foreign-made goods flood these shores; it's not Unions that destroyed the mild tariffs that made US goods competitive.
Also, it wasn't the UAW that decided to make American cars poorly designed out of plastic.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings - apparently your point was Ford is successful - and clearly it is losing money
the unions across the board have driven manufacturing expenses so high that companies have decided to close up shop and then choose to have goods made elsewhere
unions have destroyed all US auto makers, steel and just about any traditional manufacturing job here
unions had no say in foriegn goods because its hard to strike when the entire factory closes
wkwickham 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings not sure how plastics have any real impact on this because Toyota and Honda have the same materials - yet if you buy one, you can feel more confident that the car will give you less trouble than a comparable US car and thats sad
US cars are better than Hundai but are still crap
wkwickham 2 years ago
I drive a 1995 Nissan Maxima; it's the best car I ever owned.
However, I also had a 1985 Lincoln Towncar that I put 435,000 miles on in ten years and I found it most satisfactory.
Indeed, if I could afford it, I would get a Ford Crown Victoria "Police Interceptor" with a manual five-speed and a 400 HP V-8.
They typically cost between 10-15,000 dollars.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings here is a different example, I am in the brake rotor industry and would love to have an American foundry to use
however, most are out of business and the one "ok" one left produces junk
so I have to have them made in china, to of all things - get BETTER quality - then have to wait 120 days to get them
I then use them to compete against the crappy US ones - I have found them to be a none issue -but Argentina rotors are higher quality
how screwed up is that
wkwickham 2 years ago
wkwickham--
The de-industrialization of this country is an issue in many ways; it's just my personal opinion that labor unions didn't have as big a say in this as you claim; I will stick to my opinion that it is something that is the product more of the "white collars" than the blue.
There are also social phenomena involved with this; liberal politicians that, for example, destroyed Detroit, the destruction of the work-ethic, no more sense of responsibility, social promotion in schools, etc.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings I use cryogenics to make metals last longer and resist wear, I almost got into one of the big three to treat their tooling which would save them a fortune - BUT the unions stopped it as they were concerned this technology would affect the jobs of the guys that change the tooling out - if the tools lasted longer, then they would have less to do
so the whole thing was torpedoed - the Unions do a lot more harm than you could ever imagine
wkwickham 2 years ago
wkwickham--
Obviously it did affect their jobs CAUSE NO ONE WANTS AMERICAN CARS ANYMORE!!!
That Nissan; yeah, it's 15 years old; I've put a starter, the AC refrigerant pressure valve and the two things that hold up the hood.
Oh, and the driver's power window is a bit balky. That's it after 120,000 miles; all the accessories still work.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings I dont say to myself I dont want an american car because of plastics - although it is american cars I think of when I think of door handles that break off in your hand and buttons that fall off (plastics)
but I see that same cheap shit in toyotas
but I think american cars have the reputation of breaking down more often and have bad resale value, losing half of their value in 2-3 years - more because they arent made well
wkwickham 2 years ago
It is my feeling that the workmanship is not necessarily at fault; the designs are and that is NOT the fault of the unions, which was my original premise though I have agreed with everything you've subsequently said.
Read the Wikipedia articles on Roger Smith and GM; these two articles hoist just about all the blame on the white-collar side; I'd be interested in your critique, that is, if you have the time to first go over them.
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings there is certainly a problem with corporate bean counters in mgmt cutting quality to save a penny on a part per unit - no doubt
but the stereotype of not buying an american car that was built on a monday or friday soley rests on shitty union labor
this problem, bad unions, bad govt and bad mgmt may now be so hopelessly fubared - we may never recover from it
too bad, i hate buying chinese parts, i have to store 4 months inventory just to compensate for the shipping issues
wkwickham 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings and - I don't have to worry about workman's comp payments, I dont have to match social security taxes, I don't have to worry about health care and on and on
and you seriously wonder why NOTHING is made here anymore? the govt as well as greedy unions have made it impossible to do business here
wkwickham 2 years ago 2
wkwickham--
What did you say (in addition to greedy unions)?
You mentioned GOVERNMENT!!???
Now then, DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THIS TOPIC or I'll have to send you a dissertation!!!
The government is a response, as I previously said, to the WHITE collars, not to the blue.
I live in New York State; you don't have to tell me what government has done here to wreck business, however if you're an insurance company or a bank, the State of New York becomes your personal collection agency . . .
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
@SatchmoSings ugh I know, the govt drives me crazy - its almost impossible to do business here now - I can see myself selling my business in ten years and moving out - Costa Rica is looking better every day
I would say the blue collar friends (Dems and Unions) have guaranteed that blues will have to live on welfare or mow yards as there isn't much left to do
the rust belt looks more like ghost towns every day
wkwickham 2 years ago
Do you have any idea why Americans don't comprehend these simple truths? It's not complicated at all, and yet most Americans seem to truly believe the fairy tales of the viability of social safety nets, union thuggery etc.
I don't understand how they can not understand how those things are destroying their society by destroying their job prospects.
Where do you see this leading to ultimately?
glocker8888 2 years ago 16
@glocker8888 poverty - and with desperation comes revolution
wkwickham 2 years ago
too much fluoride in the water
CRX35SE 2 years ago
They are lazy. It is easy to believe a rich politican that spends the money of rich supporters to get you to vote for them by saying they will take from the rich and give to you. They believe for the same reason a old lady spends $100 on bingo cards to win $40 or others spend nice chuck of thier paycheck on lotto tickets. They want something for nothing and want to think it is okay to take from you to support them.
Tabooga65 2 years ago
its really very simple, Love the Lord your God and serve him only. Amen.
When we depart from that path , evil infects us like a Plauge, ruined morals , Ethics open wide the path for evil, yes it does, its simple to see. Look what happened to the Jews civilization, It lived in Peace in Solomons days, 40 years of building, Peace and Prosperity as the world never saw and will never see again. Solomon turned from his God and his sons set up evil things and worshipped them. It really is simple.
ighforever 2 years ago
@glocker8888 Has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the outsourcing of 90% of our manufacturing jobs to foreign countries.
The Unions didn't cause that. In fact the United States has Lower Union Membership than Japan and Japan still has it's auto Industry intact.
Our government gives Companies tax rebates to move to China. Our government is deliberately destroying our country.
danie123182 1 year ago
@danie123182 Union density doesn't really say anything about union power. Unions in Japan rarely go on strike (lowest rates among OECD countries I believe), and are completely coopted by the state. Salaries are much lower in Japan, and they have fewer benefits. I don't really think unions have much impact though, I think it has more to do with the big three not producing good quality and outsourcing production like you point out. But AUW is a strong union, and I guess that's a reason too?
ihatekhomeini 1 year ago
@glocker8888 communism
facelessDeathsquad 1 year ago
@facelessDeathsquad It does look that way. Thomas Jeffeson's warning about "when Americans realize they can vote themselves free money from the public treasurey, the republic's doomed" looks to be playing out now. How very sad.
But you didn't answer my question as to "why"? Why can't the average Joe see the whole thing for what it is? Do you think it's stupidity? Or they know where all the socialistic stuff's leading, but they just don't want to admit it to themselves?
glocker8888 1 year ago
@facelessDeathsquad @facelessDeathsquad It does look that way. Thomas Jeffeson's warning about "when Americans realize they can vote themselves free money from the public treasurey, the republic's doomed" looks to be playing out now. How very sad.
But you didn't answer my question as to "why"? Why can't the average Joe see the whole thing for what it is? Do you think it's stupidity? Or they know where all the socialistic stuff's leading, but they just don't want to admit it to themselves?
glocker8888 1 year ago
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@glocker8888 wrote "most Americans seem to truly believe the fairy tales of the viability of social safety nets, union thuggery etc" here 7 months ago.
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"The whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th century is being deployed to enable wealth to persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power." - Aneurin Bevan, British Labour Party leader
bapyou 1 year ago
@glocker8888 Union thuggery, that's the problem? There's plenty of countries where unions are the reason why workers are treated properly. I only know one country that uses the union as a scapegoat to its problems. You think unions are so powerful to destroy a country?. Detroit's problem is they invested in one industry that died. Your car companies are drying because no one needs trucks and suvs that cost 100$ to fill up the tank. Your banks failed because they carelessly gave out money.
five5x 1 year ago
@five5x The car companies got sucked dry by the unions.
USA getting what it deserves. Prepare to salute Chinese flag very very soon.
glocker8888 1 year ago
@five5x Actually that's the funny thing - GM went bankrupt partly because tehy went so heavily into hybrids and alternate fuel cars. Ford was the one pushing quality trucks and SUVs, which have actually sold very well. In fact, SUVs were one of the very few successful innovations to come out of the US car industry recently. As for derivatives, that was sparked by a government social program meant to provide housing loans to people without jobs or income.
You really need to look up the facts.
DrCruel 1 year ago
EdM021, you say Marxism has never been implemented in the U.S.??? What would you call the New Deal,Social Security,public/forced schooling,the "Great Society" Policies of LBJ???If it looks like Marx,quacks like Marx.....it must be Marx!!! ;)
xXU2BerXx 2 years ago