do you seriously believe a teenage boy magically dug up some golden plates underneath a rock in the 1800's and actually talked to the sky wizzard! The mormon church didn't allow black people until 1978, (I wonder why?, oh yeah the guy who MADE IT UP was a racist little fucker in rural america) a full 14 years after the civil rights act!!!. What a load of bullshit and people actually believe this
She just found the god she was looking to find. It happens all the time. That is what always happens. And when that happens people think..., that they found God.
@Mauromoustakos You were already brainwashed, You just found that no God existed. It happens all the time. That is what always happens. And when that happens people think...., that they couldn't find God.
@Mauromoustakos So, in your understanding, it all ends with faith? Because after you have no more proof than your belief, your done. Is that correct? Just so we are clear before I dismantle this for you...
Matt 16:13-17 Though they may desire to know ("whom do men say that I am?") They CANNOT come to the knowledge through human understanding (the wisdom of the wise). Thus the Spirits role as a Revelator (revealer of truth) is needed. "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Simon Peter answered and "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered..Blessed art thou,..for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee. NOT FLESH AND BLOOD, but the Spirit of God.
@bomac10000 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, and blood atonment.
In other words what she is saying is that "I examined the evidence and it was surely all pointing towards Mormonism being false and a complete fabrication but I decided to throw all of that out the window and go with a feeling. It was easier and kept me in good stead with my family, my friends, and my church. I abandoned the brain God gave me in favour of Satan`s lies.
It is really sad to me, to see so many negative comments on this video. What all you negative commentors don't understand is what it means to pray, & have the Holy Spirit testify to you of truth. It's true that faith does not always seem logical. The things of God are foolishness to the world. Until you surrender your will to Jesus Christ, and allow him to work through you, you will never understand it.
HE is the only true way. He lives & loves us more than we can even know.
@LDSTrueDoctrine This is a very dismissive and irresponsible approach to explaining or verifying any position or conclusion. The things of God that are foolishness is salvation by the Grace of the Father and Blood of Jesus Christ, who died, was buried and arose again. Blind faith or illogical conviction that dismisses evidence IS NOT supportive of truth. One cannot borrow credibility from the true Gospel in order support the lie of Joseph Smith.
@freestanding1000 John 14:26, Christ promised that after his death he would send the Comforter (bringer of the feeling/gift of Comfort) and "he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you.. The feeling of Peace is the teacher of what is right, not the wisdom of men.
@bomac10000 You have just stretched an elastic band much further than intended. This is a logic error. Yes the Comforter was sent, yes the comforter indwells the believer, but you put the cart before the horse. If one does not believe (accept the truth as truth) then the Comforter does not yet indwell. God amply presents the evidence yet you opt for a feeling which can be delusional. The Comforter affirms truth but does not contradict physical, tangible, presentable evidence.
@freestanding1000 James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally, and it shall be given him". Man cannot obtain wisdom in spiritual things unless it is given him to understand in that capacity? Why should a man ask God if he already has the truth? The Spirit then becomes unnecessary in exactly the capacity (revelator, teacher) that God has set him to be.Also, indwelling is through the laying on of hands for the Gift of the Holy Ghost-by authority only.
@lilbeaveymac Really? Please state where Christ said that would be the case? Because if He did not, then imputing that authority to scripture is no less that idolatry.
If anything, the Bible CLEARLY, REPEATEDLY demonstrates that God gave his power to MEN (Prophets) to act in his behalf.
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
If "no authority" then no authority to bestow upon you the Holy Ghost either.
@bomac10000 He never "gives his power" to men. He SPEAKS through his prophets, and even prophets were only around during the time of the Old Testament. The only person in the New Testament that could be considered a prophet was John the Baptist. After Jesus there was no longer a need for prophets like those in the OT, that role was filled by the Apostles. (yes there is a difference)
Also, being a prophet was not taken lightly: Deuteronomy 18:20-22
@rockbear51 Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
@bomac10000 Remember, just because a verse uses the word "power" doesn't mean that it proves your point. Read the entire chapter over a few times and you'll see what I mean.
@rockbear51 Acts 21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. 11And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.
So if OT only then God is a partial God and a respecter of persons. The scriptures clearly state otherwise.
@bomac10000 Good point and good reference. The point I was trying to make was that there was no longer a NEED for a prophet after Jesus since now God speaks directly to his people through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, like he did with Agabus. So anyone who has the Holy Spirit could technically be a Prophet :-) even you.
btw: God is a partial god... He is partial to his people :-D
@rockbear51 Please state where Christ says there is no need for a Prophet after him? That is an incorrect supposition. Christ tells Peter that he knows he is the Christ by the Holy Ghost, thus, they are NOT mutually exclusive.
Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty,... which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.
I guess that doesn't mean what he says it means either
Actually, you got the first part right..the Holy Ghost provides
@bomac10000 for the foundation of Prophecy by speaking to us, however, there is no permanent indwelling of the Holy Ghost unless that blessing is given by one who has the authority to do so. In this day, that power resides only among the Elders of the LDS Church.
I truly appreciate your insight and I'm enjoying our conversation. However, you have yet to address a statement i made a while back and I would like to hear your thoughts:
Being a prophet is not be taken lightly: Deuteronomy 18:20
Now please consider Mr. Smith's "The Book of Abraham" from Pearl of Great Price and the controversy that surrounds it and let me know your thoughts.
@LDSTrueDoctrine Your acting like people who disbelieve mormonism have never tried prayer. I was born into mormonism and did a lot of praying. I read the book of mormon and prayed to know whether it was true. The holy spirit did not testify to me of the truth. I am not the only person who has done this. I understand that you think you had a spiritual experience and that is why you believe, but why did God deny that experience to me and so many others who asked for it?
@LDSTrueDoctrine John D Lee had many such warm bosom experiences, dreams, little birds warning him. And at the Mountain Meadows Massacre multiple prayer circles were held, 50 Mormons under the endowment oaths, to "avenge the blood of the prophets", their R. arm to the square, L arm around the next, 4 more men (!) inside, facing the compass points. Or kneeling, elbows touching, to "feel the influence". Yep, Mormon god said "do it". So, watch out, Mormon god is no god.
"I did everything the missionaries told me to do". Man o man, it's so tuff to get girls to be so obedient. ..It takes that kind of slathering blind groping in the dark love to be a good Mormon girl, or "Morgirl". Or "Morg"
If anybody wants to know what the LDS church is really about, if you are feeling that your life has gone off track, if you are all messed up and drugs, booze, gambling or sadness has got a grip on you. Feel free to go on mormon.org and chat with a missionary and find the nearest Chapel to where you live and what time they hold church service on Sundays and pass by, you dont have to get dressed up, they will be happy to meet you and talk to you, and your life will change for the better. :)
Oh girl! Honey, you just stand back and listen to yourself for one second. WHOOie! Emotions after reason? Not when it comes to seeking truth. MMMmmmmM girl! :D
@Ruxify you don't have to be a atheist.....come to the biblical Jesus Christ and he will save you with his grace like he saved us born again christians,I am the way the truth and the life,
and the only way to the father is through me john 14:6,
if you use your mouth to say Jesus is Lord,
and if you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead,
@TheKinderhookPlates No proof that it's true? Read the preserved - factual writings of "Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. A.D. 100)". Or the dead sea scrolls for that matter. Also, Christianity is the largest religion in the world... so I would re-consider your ideology of Christianity being a "bronze-age myth".
Just because Josephus (or any historical document) corroborates the existence of a man names Jesus (or other events in the bible), doesn't meant that Jesus was the son of a god or that any of the supernatural stuff described in the bible is true.
Christianity being the largest religion in the world isn't proof either... it just means it's successful.
If I were you I would learn what really constitutes proof.
Fact is, historical corroboration does not equal evidence of the supernatural. Large as it is, christianity is still a bronze-age mythology, albeit a popular one.
@TheKinderhookPlates And what fallacy did I just "spout out"? Because an analogy of the Christian faith is quite contrary to theological-sound-doctrine.
You're spouting a lot of nonsense, now. Start making sense, and perhaps then we'll have a diologue. Otherwise, good luck... as you still haven't provided any proof that the bible is the words of a god.
@TheKinderhookPlates I read it daily. Because you've read it... then you know that Christians live by faith, not needing proof. Faith & salvation is a gift from God to those who ask: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you", Have you asked for Jesus in your heart?
Yes, christians are taught to live by faith, and they are foolish to fall for that trick. Why are you so foolish to fall for a book full of so many factual and doctrinal errors? Why are you willing to rely on a feeling (faith) instead of looking for evidence? What a shame that you're taken in by this ruse.
@TheKinderhookPlates Will you please inform me of these "factual and doctrinal" errors please? FYI... I'm not Mormon, and do not believe in the book of mormon, which is full of lies. I believe the bible is the infallible Word of God.
@TheKinderhookPlates First off... where in the bible does it say Tyre will be rebuilt? Ezekiel prophesied it's destruction. "I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD". This prophecy was fulfilled by Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. by casting the whole city in the sea.
Look, if you're really interested in finding out the truth, do some research. Google it. Or check out evilbible. co m. There's lot of cites there. I'm not about to waste time with someone who simply wants to justify their faith instead of probing without bias.
@TheKinderhookPlates I answer your questions & you say I'm biased. Yet you claimed that Tyre had to be rebuilt in order to fulfill prophecy (which you probably"googled" without any other research) Will you answer my question: What verse in the bible says women are the property of men? Because Jesus taught that husbands should deeply love & respect their wives, just as they would love & respect their own bodies. Which doesn't mean to treat their wives as slaves or "property"
The problem with what Jesus said re wives, is that the OT first said otherwise. If god is unchanging, as many christians love to claim, then why the change? And even with love they were still property.
Like I said, if you really want to know this stuff, go ahead and do the research. But I think you'd rather just reinforce your bias. It's called confirmation bias, look it up.
But if you're interested in the truth, the Evilbible site is a great resource. Good luck.
And you're a bit confused about the Tyre prophecy. The bible says, as you wrote, that Tyre will NEVER be rebuilt. In other words, cease to exist. Problem is, Tyre DOES exist and has existed for thousands of years.
You DID know that, didn't you? Oh, no? Guess that shows that your "Sovereign LORD" doesn't know what he's talking about.... and neither do you.
@TheKinderhookPlates You haven't given me one scripture that supports your claim that women are property. Yet I gave you a few & can quote many more that say quite the contrary. You contradicted yourself 3 times about the prophecy of Tyre. 1st you said it hasn't been rebuilt, then you said there's several city's, now you say it still exists? And who needs to do research? Sounds to me like you believe everything you read on the internet and have faith in something after all.
Liar. I send you a link, posted in the comments on your page, that specifically showed multiple passages about the status of women as PROPERTY in the bible. You deleted it.
I never contradicted myself with Tyre. Are you really that stupid? I never said several cities either. YOU yourself quoted the scripture that said it would NEVER be rebuilt... and it has. One of the proofs that the bible is NOT the infallible word of a god.
That site is ridiculously antichrist & absurd. They look for fault by plucking verses out of context to condemn the bible. WAKE UP! IT'S NOT 1.000 BC, SO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT THE JEWS WERE DOING THAT TIME, IT'S POINTLESS!
Slavery/stoning/animal sacrifice was the way of the world then, thus, the levitical laws were written to accommodate them.
Many Muslims in the M.E. treat women way worse today. Condemn them!
Oh, so now you're hiding behind the excuse that it was the way of the world, huh? Nice try. If you REALLY follow a god, then that god should have KNOWN even back then that slavery is wrong! Instead of tell Moses that it was OK. Wake up!
@TheKinderhookPlates It was the way, as slavery was 100 yrs ago. So you say that's an excuse? The bible never says it's right!
You can complain about our current situations & inhumane idiots who abused the Word of God in order to serve their selfish purposes & I'm totally with you. But you can't complain about morality in 1.000 BC, it's ridiculous. Politics/culture & times have changed. It's the weakest attempt of attacking Christianity, a clear lack of biblical knowledge.
LIAR. The bible DOES say slavery is OK. God tells Moses:
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. --Leviticus 25:44-46
@TheKinderhookPlates Nowhere does it say slavery is right (a good thing). These are merely rules about owning slaves. Remember there were 3 types of people in those days... Rich, poor & slave. Your stuck on 1000 yr old levitical laws, which as you know, Christ is the great liberator, who freed us from our sins and the OT law. Attack the Jews... who are still bound by the law. Oh wait... they don't have slaves anymore, times have changed.
Are you really that stupid? God's endorsing it, giving out the rules!
Oh, so now I'm "getting stuck" on 1000 year old laws... bullcrap. Here's the deal... YOU are believing in a book that endorses slavery! Every time you pick up your Bible, think of that.
Times have changed, huh? So I guess that means your god isn't perfect, un-changing and all-knowing after all! Because he apparently had to evolve!
@TheKinderhookPlates Saying that by following Christianity you have to follow the Mosaic Law is absurd. It's like saying that by adopting a Greek philosopher's ideas you have to be a misogynist and encourage slave trade.
If you really read the bible, as you "claimed", then you would have a concise understanding how Christ freed us from the law. It's apparent you hate the bible and diligently search for fault in it (evilbible.co m) Man & history changes, God doesn't & hasn't.
Wrong again. If you REALLY read your bible, as you claim, you would know that. Christians love to claim how christ "freed" you from the law, but that contradicts Matt 5:18, "...Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
God doesn't change, huh? They I guess you DO believe that slavery is OK, because god sure does!
It's apparent that you're an atheist-hating fool who parrots what he's been told.
@TheKinderhookPl This is an example of how one CANNOT pluck a verse out of context, in which you did. You left out 5:17 " I did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; but to FULFILL". Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees about how He has come to fulfill what the Prophets spoke of Him. 1st: when He died on the cross for our sins & was resurrected. 2nd: He will return to fulfill His purpose for time in His Millennial kingdom & will usher His earthly kingdom into eternity.
@TheKinderhookPlates Don't get angry now & stay on topic here... No biblical scholar would interpret that scripture in your way. It makes absolutely no sense! Christ came to FULFILL the law, get it? Fulfill? And that's exactly what He did! That's why we are not bound by the old covenant or mosaic law anymore. Now the Jews are still bound by the law & try to live accordingly. I suppose if they had slaves they would oblige by the levitical laws. But again...times have changed.
Try reading that passage again, and you'll see that it's referring to the fact that nothing will pass from the old law until HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY. So you're obviously wrong. Or perhaps you don't understand English very well?
Funny how you didn't have an answer for the other things that are wrong with the bible. Typical. You're a cafeteria christian.... you pick and choose what you want to believe.
@TheKinderhookPlates Mt 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away" . It's alright, you simply took a verse out of context, it happens all the time. We now know Jesus came to "fulfill" the law (as stated in Matthew 5) so Christians don't live by levitical (ceremonial) laws, as do the Jews. Sorry, I tend to stay on topic and not jump around so I can finish my point.
@TheKinderhookPlates Will you please read Genesis 22:7-18, then John 1:29 and John 3:16. This explains Gods plan to fulfill the word given to Abraham (2000yrs before Christ came) in Gen 22:18, which ultimately fulfilled the Mosaic law - Hebrews 10:18.
Then I will be happy to answer your other questions.
They are rhetorical questions, and they are evidence against your bible being infallible. And no, I'm not going to read those addl scripture. I've had enough of your bullcrap. The evidence against the bible is obvious and numerous. If you want to continue being fooled by it, that's your choice. Good luck.
@TheKinderhookPlates Rhetorical questions? That was about Abraham and the fulfillment of the promise given to him.
You can have an eternal peace and joy that cannot be described with words if you ask Christ in your heart & pray for faith & your eyes to be opened to see the truth (not by Catechism). Christ is "the truth, the way and the light; no one can come to the Father except through Him". Jesus taught, gave, was & died out of love for us, who could hate Him for that?
You said, "You can have an eternal peace and joy that cannot be described with words if you ask Christ in your heart & pray for faith & your eyes to be opened to see the truth"
Now why would I believe in unproven mythology? That's pretty stupid. I have no interest in suspending my intelligence in order to believe in fairy tales. Sadly, you have.
@TheKinderhookPlates I didn't believe in Christ when I asked Him into my heart. He answered my prayer, gave me faith, opened my eyes & revealed to me who He really is by the Holy Spirit.
"Ask & it shall be given you; seek, & ye shall find; knock, & it shall be opened unto you; For every one that asketh receiveth; & he that seeketh findeth; & to him that knocketh it shall be opened"
Believing is a gift from God when we ask Christ into our heart & to forgive us for our sins.
Now why would I believe in unproven mythology? That's pretty stupid. I have no interest in suspending my intelligence in order to believe in fairy tales. Sadly, you have.
@TheKinderhookPlates We all live by faith. When you drink water - you have faith it's not contaminated. When you buy grocery's - you have faith the food is safe to eat. When you fly - you have faith in the pilot. Or when you eat out - you have faith in the cook. You have faith every morning you wake up - that your heart will still pump. The list goes on... you have faith without knowing it. It's a fact.
Gosh, you're confused about what faith is. Poor thing. We don't live by faith. All the things you describe are reasonable expectations based on past experiences. Obviously, that's not the same as faith.
If you're going to try to convert people, you should at least get your definitions and facts correct. Because we don't live by faith. Nice try, tho.
You might want to reconsider your intelligence. They're obviously 2 different situations. One is based on verifiable real-world experiences... the other on subjective feelings in the mind. Big difference. Your comparison fails.
@TheKinderhookPlates Faith is faith. Whether it be faith in Christ or having faith in the pilot when you fly. You can't see him fly the plane, but you're putting your trust in him to safely take you to your destination. So is the same as having faith in Christ.
No, faith is not faith. In the example you gave, the pilot is a real person with training and experience, therefore I have a reasonable expectation that he knows how to fly a plane. On the other hand, Jesus is just one of many unproven god myths. There's no reasonable expectation involved. It's completely different.
The fact that you think it's the same shows a serious lack of understanding.
@TheKinderhookPlates Nice... but when you fly, your putting your faith in what's "expected", which is to safely arrive at your destination. So it requires a lot of faith, because you're putting your life in someones hands that you don't know.
But we know who Christ is, by His Word, and He gives freely (faith) to those who ask.
@TheKinderhookPlates Are you saying you believe Christ is a myth and never existed? Do you remember Josephus and his historical writings about the Christ and the persecution of the first/early Christians and Church?
Seriously? Do you remember when I explained to you that Josephus mentioning Jesus in passing only confirms a historical person by that name and not the mythological aspects (supernatural) of the NT narrative? Proof of existence is not proof of divinity or anything else.
@TheKinderhookPlates In Josephus Testimonium , Jesus is described as a teacher and miracle worker, attracting a large following who revered him after his death. He also refers to the Apostle James.
The Testimonium Flavianum (the correct name) is full of what's called interpolations (by christian copyists) and is not considered to be authentic by most scholars of the bible.
Didn't you know this?
But even if it was, it's not proof of divinity. How many teachers and miracle workers have I heard about in my lifetime? Many, and of course if you investigate further you find out they're a fraud. Josephus was not a eyewitness, either.
@TheKinderhookPlates FYI, Historians tend to call it the Testimonium & is found in the Antiquities of the Jews-18.63-64. I studied it yrs ago. Some parts are controversial, but those parts of the Testimonium that even secular scholars regarded as authentic, Jesus is described as a rabbi (teacher) & miracle worker. He also dated the Apostle James death - 64 AD during which Josephus was still alive.
I studied it too, and the complete name is the Testimonium Flavianum. I know where it's found. It's so funny that you think you can teach me anything.
Modern scholars do NOT think that the parts about being a miracle worker are authentic.
MANY have claimed to do miracles... Aharon Rokeach, Akhtar Raza, Apollonius of Tyana, Audrey Marie Santo, Baal Shem of London, Benny Hinn, Baba Sali, Buddha, Chaim Elazar Spira, Jacob Cochran, Jacob Frank... the list is far LONGER.
@TheKinderhookPlates We can go in circles about the testimonium, but ask any biblical scholar (secular) & they will tell you that many sections of it are in fact authentic. But the evilbible & its preconceived opinion of Christ is one sided & prejudice, so your source is biased
Now, your list of "miracle workers" where's Manson & Jim Jones? The Bible is full of people performing magic, the Pharaohs magicians & prophets of Baal. But Christ performed the one ultimate miracle - He was resurrected!
@TheKinderhookPlates I never contradict myself, as you did a few times.This is because I'm grounded in my faith, which cannot be thwarted by unbelievers. Gods word doesn't fail, man does.
Were you a Mormon or hurt by the church & abandoned your faith? Because I read your other post's & you go way out of your way to try & dis-prove God & the bible. Maybe your just really searching & frustrated because you want proof and you can't comprehend faith? God has good plans for you.
I've never contradicted myself, kiddo. Wrong on that one.
And regardless of being a ex-mormon or not, christianity still has no proof that it's the one true religion from any god. The bible is unreliable as I've shown in past comments.
FYI, I was also a christian for a while after I left mormonism. but that's as fake as mormonism is.
So, unless you have some proof of your claims, I'm not interested in your false religion.
@TheKinderhookPlates Let's see... You said "Dozens of prophecies didn't come true, like the rebuilding of Tyre". So I quoted Ezekiel 26 to correct you & you said "There's lot of cites there" then you said "Tyre will NEVER be rebuilt". Hmm???
The bible is standing the test of time! No one has been able to prove that any part of it is false. You seem to ignore the hundreds of prophecy's that have been fulfilled, or all the archeological evidence that has been found. Why?
BTW, unless your doing the Lords work... let them be. It's a waste of time. Mormons fear man, which is why they're afraid to leave. They don't fear/know God, if they did, they would leave.
So here's one of many fulfilled prophecy's: Matt 24:5 "For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ' and will deceive many". JS came in Christ name, claimed to know the real christ & obviously deceived many. Sad
One of many fulfilled prophecies? To make up for all the failed prophecies of the Bible?
I'm not doing "the Lord's work" and neither are you, since there's no evidence of a personal god. Not sure why you keep on referring to your belief in mythology as fact?
@TheKinderhookPlates Go look at you past comments because now your lying! Your quote from 6 days ago: "There's lot of cites there. I'm not about to waste time with someone..."
Your quote from one week ago "Dozens of prophecies didn't come true, like the rebuilding of Tyre."
You gave me a list of a few things trying to dis-prove the bible, but you elude the thousands of discovery's & prophecy's that prove it's the truth. THE FOOL HAS SAID IN HIS HEART, THERE IS NO GOD
The word is CITES, not cities! Gosh, you're dumb! Don't you know what a cite is?
Yes, "dozens of prophecies didn't come true, like the rebuilding of Tyre" (when the bible said it wouldn't happen)... I was absolutely correct in that statement, because the rebuilding of Tyre DID happen even tho the bible claimed it wouldn't.
@TheKinderhookPlates I thought you said city, which is why it made absolutely no sense to me. :P
Look, you want proof & there is plenty of it. Even Einstein believed "All is One & Interconnected in Nature & God". It seems you're just looking for fault because you're angry at God. Perhaps it's because you spent several years serving/dedicating your entire life to a cult. God is still calling you (not the god of the mormons) & when you stop fighting you will know the truth!
Angry at god? Seriously, don't you christians have anything original to say? I've heard that silly claim for years. Not fighting... I'm saying, show me the evidence, and you have none!
Oh, c'mon! Einstein didn't believe in a personal god! "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." (from Albert Einstein, The Human Side, by Dukas & Hoffman)
He believed in Spinoza's god, abstract & impersonal. Look it up.
@TheKinderhookPlates Einstein idolized God. "I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details".
-(From E. Salaman, "A Talk With Einstein)
And we all know his most famous quote: "God does not play dice".
So, did Einstein need proof of God? Certainly not! His brilliant mind saw God in creation, and he could not deny this fact.
You went stupid on me again. There's abundant evidence that Einstein didn't beleive in a personal god. You know what a PERSONAL god is? Did you EVEN look up Spinoza's god? Or are you willfully ignorant?
"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously." (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)
@TheKinderhookPlates You totally missed my point. Yes Spinoza believed in a god & creation! What I quoted you first, was from Spinoza "God - Nature -one". My point is that (according to you) Einstein is stupid for believing in a god.
Quote: In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.
@TheKinderhookPlates Part 2. Of course you'll dance in circles, call me stupid and turn things around to tell me the difference between a personal God & not again. That's not my point! Einstein didn't need proof, saw creation & believed in a god. He understood there had to be a god to create such a perfect earth & universe, and never said "I need proof to believe". Einstein detested atheism & saw it as arrogant and "Missing the Wonders of the World".
"Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, is the impression which we receive from an account of heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus"
He's talking about the historical Jesus, not the miracles and supernatural crap!
Why do you keep posting stuff that just makes you look foolish? Don't you understand the difference between a personal god, and a god that's defined as an abstract concept, the laws of the universe? Einstein didn't believe in a god that answers prayers, who cares about our lives, etc! Even if he did, he'd be WRONG.
@TheKinderhookPlates Wasting your time? You're constantly trolling youtube just to get a rouse out of mormons & Christians by claiming they're stupid to have faith & believe in the Bible (Yet I'm on your side about TBOM).
And if I'm stupid - apparently Einstein was too. Personal or not - he believed in god (you don't). He said Jesus was not a myth (a word you love to compare Christ's teachings with). He had faith (something you can't comprehend yet) & he hated atheism.
@zoetropez76 Did I ever say "personal God"? We were talking about having faith in the existence of a god, which Albert Einstein had. Kinderhookplate claimed: "Only stupid idiots have faith". -From E. Salaman,- A Talk With Einstein, "I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
So if Einstein wanted to know Gods thoughts, seems pretty personal!
@zoetropez76 You make no sense at all. If your implying I believe in Spinoza's god, your dead wrong. I believe in one God... Jesus Christ.
Einstein had faith in a creator, a god who created "The Wonders Of The World". You're missing the forest for the trees buddy. Read Spinoza's writings about his belief in god and how Einstein believed in most of his teachings. Then come back.
@zoetropez76 Part 2. Einstein was from the 20th century, Spinoza was from the 17th century. So I have no idea who your talking about or why you made such an absurd statement.
So do yourself a favor and research before you make such ludicrous comments.
@zoetropez76 Did I ever say "personal God"? We were talking about having faith in the existence of a god, which Albert Einstein had. Kinderhookplate claimed: "Only stupid idiots have faith". -From E. Salaman,- A Talk With Einstein, "I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
So if Einstein wanted to know Gods thoughts, seems pretty personal!
@TheKinderhookPlates Wasting your time? You're constantly trolling youtube just to get a rouse out of mormons & Christians by claiming they're stupid to have faith & believe in the Bible (Yet I'm on your side about TBOM).
And if I'm stupid - apparently Einstein was too. Personal or not - he believed in god (you don't). He said Jesus was NOT a myth (a word you love to compare Christ's teachings with). He had faith (something you can't comprehend yet) & he hated atheism.
@TheKinderhookPlates This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Even those who saw Jesus perform miracles rejected Him, mocked Him and crucified Him. It's the same today.
Look... either Jesus was a raging lunatic who deceived billions of people, or He is the son of God. The only thing He can't be is a good teacher! His words have not left that option open to us.
Oh, I still got your "mock god" message.Why do you quote the bible to me like I care?It's the same as quoting Harry Potter.
As for Tyre, the ONLY thing I said was that the Bible claims Tyre would never be rebuilt, but we know it was. Therefore, the bible is wrong.You made up the other stuff. I never said Tyre will never be rebuilt, I never said there's a lot of cities there. You're very confused or stupid. Check the history.
@TheKinderhookPlates It all makes sense now! You have to be an ex-Mormon... kinderhook plates - LOL. This is sad, you never knew who Christ really was. The BOM is so corrupt. It's inspired by Demons (Gal 1:6) written by a crazy false prophet (2 Tim 3:13), and totally distorts the real Father God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. The god (s) of the BOM is not the God of the bible and definitely is NOT a testimony of Jesus Christ.
@TheKinderhookPlates So lets conclude this issue concerning the OT law & Jesus. Romans 10: 8 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes". Gal 5:3-4 "Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised [Levitical Law] that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace".
@TheKinderhookPlates Part 2. So why don't you condemn the Muslims? We know in parts of the Middle East they still stone/beat/abuse and even kill their wives for not submitting to them.The Quran is very clear about such horrendous crimes. Are you aware of what Christ said & Paul about treating others: "Wives submit to your husbands & husbands submit to your wives", "treat others the way you want to be treated", "love your neighbor as you love yourself". He taught us pure love
@TheKinderhookPlates About women: The bible clearly states in Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus’
As far as the bible teaching that women are property, the Bible is simply relating a cultural belief of the time as opposed to specifying that women should in fact be considered property. Could you be specific as to a particular verse in the Bible - the NT?
@Ruxify but all atheist need to repent and come to the biblical Jesus so he can save them with his grace like he saved us born again christians,atheist are going to hell if they die in their sins............repent
ho dear you people who think you know every thing well me tell you know nothing you talk a load of rubbish dos it make you feel good coming on youtube and running of at the mouth what a big load of sad people why dont you get a life anybody that is brainwashed it is you,s so if you dont believe they why do you bother to come on here and rattle at the teeth
What the heck is acadamia? Is that a cross between academics and a macadamia nut? Sounds just like another mormon girl I know She is a genious cause she says so! yet she believes in fairy tales and cuts dog hair for a living...yep thats a genious!
Satan can and does give you feelings too. You must use yiour intelect and study the differences between what the Bible says and what the LDS tell you. You can see without a doubt they are a false religion.
What I don't get is why in most "religions" did God need to have PEOPLE write HIS MESSAGES down in a book, when God could have just BEAMED it into people minds and STILL given them freewill to chose to listen or NOT. At least we would KNOW we are receiving the CORRECT messages! DUH
sooo...... you made a choice that you agree is not logical? remember people felt and believe passionately that the earth was flat... and umm... what this person is tell us is... she is a hypocrite to herself? i guess she didn't learn her lesson with santa claus. (incase someone else hasn't either... there is no santa claus) lol
@fdasherv No man, it's not. Faith, in greek, "the evidence of things unseen". When we find the city of Jericho in archeology, and find that its built the exact same way the Bible describes, there is something there. When we go inside the ruins and find burnt "wheat" in pots (unbelievably rare to find) showing that the attackers didn't loot the city, but destroyed it (specifically in the Bible), there is something about it. You see, there is a difference between "blind" faith, and faith.greek
@gloinstrong So? The bible wasn't written in a vacuum. There were cities on the site of Jericho for 11,000 years. (Gee, that's BEFORE creation!) Burnt wheat in pots is indeed rare. So rare that they've NOT been found at this site. Creationists are not archeologists, they're liars. Don't tell me, you think the ark has been found, too.
@fdasherv LOL, Burnt wheat WAS found at Jericho, the Smithsonian INstitute and National Georgraphic can attest to that. As for the cities being before Creation? And no, the Ark has not been found.
@gloinstrong You can easily fall for lies. I, on the other hand, cannot. So provide a link to a reputable source for "burnt wheat" or be done with it.
@fdasherv Oh, ok. The "believed biblical time of creation" according to the bible or genesis is within the first week of time itself. Christians believe that the earth and the heavens were created at the same point in time that everything else within the cosmos were created and that we were created on the fifth day of time. Obviously, we were not around when the earth was first created and we know that dinosaurs were here before we were. So, there's really no way we could have preceeded time.
@AlienSpace666 "The "believed biblical time of creation" according to the bible or genesis is within the first week of time itself."
I don't think Genesis is sophisticated enough to contend that time itself was created. The "first day" doesn't mark the beginning of time but the beginning of the earth. There was already activity before creation as god "moved over the deep". Even a god can't operate in a static time state.
@fdasherv I agree, just stating the arrogance that the christians claim. In their eyes, our existence was realtively close to the beginning because in their eyes, life itself is based around humanity, but then again.. what religious group doesn't believe we are the very reason for life. Genesis is a great book, but very flawed. I claim no religion because it all tries explaining something that we'll never be able to explain. The energy that powers life is God. All we need is love, not labels.
She came from an academic background? Bullshit! If she did, she would've had the critical thinking skills to see through the scam. Hell, it doesn't even take that MUCH to see through it! Joseph Smith running away with 200Lbs of golden plates under his arm? lol!
They must a sucked out her brains, she's the poster-child for religious brainwashing. DON'T QUESTION, JUST BELIEVE OR ELSE. Scary stuff. Power to the sheeple
do you seriously believe a teenage boy magically dug up some golden plates underneath a rock in the 1800's and actually talked to the sky wizzard! The mormon church didn't allow black people until 1978, (I wonder why?, oh yeah the guy who MADE IT UP was a racist little fucker in rural america) a full 14 years after the civil rights act!!!. What a load of bullshit and people actually believe this
ajmc1992 4 days ago
@ajmc1992 Not only believe it, but will tell you to your face that its true.
bomac10000 4 days ago
@bomac10000
Think about it logically for just one minute! Surely it is more likely he made it all up???!!!
ajmc1992 3 days ago
She was already brainwashed.
She just found the god she was looking to find. It happens all the time. That is what always happens. And when that happens people think..., that they found God.
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Mauromoustakos 4 days ago
@Mauromoustakos You were already brainwashed, You just found that no God existed. It happens all the time. That is what always happens. And when that happens people think...., that they couldn't find God.
bomac10000 4 days ago
@bomac10000
Here's how it works: You start by not assuming what you want to prove.
If you finally come to prove that there is God, ...then that's it!, you have proven the existence of God.
If you find no proof of God, ...then that's it! your feet are firmly grounded on your faith. No proof, just a faith, a claim.
As for me, I claim that 32 of the most beatiful women of the world are in love with me!! Ah!, now here's a faith that makes me feel very nice!!
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Mauromoustakos 4 days ago
@Mauromoustakos So, in your understanding, it all ends with faith? Because after you have no more proof than your belief, your done. Is that correct? Just so we are clear before I dismantle this for you...
bomac10000 4 days ago
Matt 16:13-17 Though they may desire to know ("whom do men say that I am?") They CANNOT come to the knowledge through human understanding (the wisdom of the wise). Thus the Spirits role as a Revelator (revealer of truth) is needed. "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Simon Peter answered and "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered..Blessed art thou,..for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee. NOT FLESH AND BLOOD, but the Spirit of God.
bomac10000 2 weeks ago
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@bomac10000 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, and blood atonment.
endofus 2 weeks ago
Was this video created by the Mormon Church? It's too professionally done to be a homemade job.
BTW, are there any Mormons out there who actually make the decision with their head or is this simply left to a feeling?
freestanding1000 3 weeks ago
In other words what she is saying is that "I examined the evidence and it was surely all pointing towards Mormonism being false and a complete fabrication but I decided to throw all of that out the window and go with a feeling. It was easier and kept me in good stead with my family, my friends, and my church. I abandoned the brain God gave me in favour of Satan`s lies.
freestanding1000 3 weeks ago
It is really sad to me, to see so many negative comments on this video. What all you negative commentors don't understand is what it means to pray, & have the Holy Spirit testify to you of truth. It's true that faith does not always seem logical. The things of God are foolishness to the world. Until you surrender your will to Jesus Christ, and allow him to work through you, you will never understand it.
HE is the only true way. He lives & loves us more than we can even know.
-God bless.
LDSTrueDoctrine 3 weeks ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine This is a very dismissive and irresponsible approach to explaining or verifying any position or conclusion. The things of God that are foolishness is salvation by the Grace of the Father and Blood of Jesus Christ, who died, was buried and arose again. Blind faith or illogical conviction that dismisses evidence IS NOT supportive of truth. One cannot borrow credibility from the true Gospel in order support the lie of Joseph Smith.
freestanding1000 3 weeks ago
@freestanding1000 John 14:26, Christ promised that after his death he would send the Comforter (bringer of the feeling/gift of Comfort) and "he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you.. The feeling of Peace is the teacher of what is right, not the wisdom of men.
bomac10000 2 weeks ago
@bomac10000 You have just stretched an elastic band much further than intended. This is a logic error. Yes the Comforter was sent, yes the comforter indwells the believer, but you put the cart before the horse. If one does not believe (accept the truth as truth) then the Comforter does not yet indwell. God amply presents the evidence yet you opt for a feeling which can be delusional. The Comforter affirms truth but does not contradict physical, tangible, presentable evidence.
freestanding1000 2 weeks ago
@freestanding1000 James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally, and it shall be given him". Man cannot obtain wisdom in spiritual things unless it is given him to understand in that capacity? Why should a man ask God if he already has the truth? The Spirit then becomes unnecessary in exactly the capacity (revelator, teacher) that God has set him to be.Also, indwelling is through the laying on of hands for the Gift of the Holy Ghost-by authority only.
bomac10000 2 weeks ago
@bomac10000 whos authority??? a bunch of men in salt lake?
the bible is the only authority on earth as of now.
lilbeaveymac 6 days ago
@lilbeaveymac Really? Please state where Christ said that would be the case? Because if He did not, then imputing that authority to scripture is no less that idolatry.
If anything, the Bible CLEARLY, REPEATEDLY demonstrates that God gave his power to MEN (Prophets) to act in his behalf.
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
If "no authority" then no authority to bestow upon you the Holy Ghost either.
bomac10000 5 days ago
@bomac10000 He never "gives his power" to men. He SPEAKS through his prophets, and even prophets were only around during the time of the Old Testament. The only person in the New Testament that could be considered a prophet was John the Baptist. After Jesus there was no longer a need for prophets like those in the OT, that role was filled by the Apostles. (yes there is a difference)
Also, being a prophet was not taken lightly: Deuteronomy 18:20-22
Research Mr. Smith's "The Book of Abraham :-/
rockbear51 5 days ago
@rockbear51 Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
From Gods mouth to your ears Rocky...
bomac10000 5 days ago
@bomac10000 Don't make the mistake that because a verse uses the word "power" that it proves your point.
rockbear51 4 days ago
@rockbear51 Silly me, thinking that a verse means what it says...If no power, how did they heal the sick? cast out devils? part seas?
Its not rocket science...its power. Gods power allotted unto men to do his work. Just like God told Moses that he would do.
bomac10000 4 days ago
@bomac10000 Remember, just because a verse uses the word "power" doesn't mean that it proves your point. Read the entire chapter over a few times and you'll see what I mean.
rockbear51 4 days ago
@rockbear51 Acts 21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. 11And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.
So if OT only then God is a partial God and a respecter of persons. The scriptures clearly state otherwise.
bomac10000 5 days ago
@bomac10000 Good point and good reference. The point I was trying to make was that there was no longer a NEED for a prophet after Jesus since now God speaks directly to his people through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, like he did with Agabus. So anyone who has the Holy Spirit could technically be a Prophet :-) even you.
btw: God is a partial god... He is partial to his people :-D
rockbear51 4 days ago
@rockbear51 Please state where Christ says there is no need for a Prophet after him? That is an incorrect supposition. Christ tells Peter that he knows he is the Christ by the Holy Ghost, thus, they are NOT mutually exclusive.
Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty,... which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.
I guess that doesn't mean what he says it means either
Actually, you got the first part right..the Holy Ghost provides
bomac10000 4 days ago
@bomac10000 for the foundation of Prophecy by speaking to us, however, there is no permanent indwelling of the Holy Ghost unless that blessing is given by one who has the authority to do so. In this day, that power resides only among the Elders of the LDS Church.
bomac10000 4 days ago
@bomac10000
I truly appreciate your insight and I'm enjoying our conversation. However, you have yet to address a statement i made a while back and I would like to hear your thoughts:
Being a prophet is not be taken lightly: Deuteronomy 18:20
Now please consider Mr. Smith's "The Book of Abraham" from Pearl of Great Price and the controversy that surrounds it and let me know your thoughts.
rockbear51 4 days ago
@rockbear51
mrm.tv/lost-book-of-abraham
rockbear51 4 days ago
@bomac10000 Also, you failed to comment on the one verse that I mentioned of on the Book of Abraham... Why not?
rockbear51 4 days ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine Your acting like people who disbelieve mormonism have never tried prayer. I was born into mormonism and did a lot of praying. I read the book of mormon and prayed to know whether it was true. The holy spirit did not testify to me of the truth. I am not the only person who has done this. I understand that you think you had a spiritual experience and that is why you believe, but why did God deny that experience to me and so many others who asked for it?
Skyhawk02 3 weeks ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine John D Lee had many such warm bosom experiences, dreams, little birds warning him. And at the Mountain Meadows Massacre multiple prayer circles were held, 50 Mormons under the endowment oaths, to "avenge the blood of the prophets", their R. arm to the square, L arm around the next, 4 more men (!) inside, facing the compass points. Or kneeling, elbows touching, to "feel the influence". Yep, Mormon god said "do it". So, watch out, Mormon god is no god.
IExposeMormonism 2 weeks ago
You can't pray the Book of Mormon historical.
This "testimony" is pathetic.
Emotions are powerful, but they can't make the Mormon Church true.
Surely this woman can see that.
Embarrassing "testimony."
badad4444 3 weeks ago
This bitch watches BATTLESTAR GALACTICA all day but she believes she is taking an astronomy class narrated by CARL SAGAN.
eqsmooth 3 weeks ago
"I did everything the missionaries told me to do". Man o man, it's so tuff to get girls to be so obedient. ..It takes that kind of slathering blind groping in the dark love to be a good Mormon girl, or "Morgirl". Or "Morg"
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
why you need to talk about this if you already know the truth.......God speak thru the bible......just read it....
Buddyjonas 1 month ago
If anybody wants to know what the LDS church is really about, if you are feeling that your life has gone off track, if you are all messed up and drugs, booze, gambling or sadness has got a grip on you. Feel free to go on mormon.org and chat with a missionary and find the nearest Chapel to where you live and what time they hold church service on Sundays and pass by, you dont have to get dressed up, they will be happy to meet you and talk to you, and your life will change for the better. :)
Robyshileileh 1 month ago
@Robyshileileh
why would i want to join a cult?
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
Oh girl! Honey, you just stand back and listen to yourself for one second. WHOOie! Emotions after reason? Not when it comes to seeking truth. MMMmmmmM girl! :D
GiveCourage 1 month ago
am i supposed to give it a thumbs up or down if I think she is a wingnut?
hikermanwa 1 month ago
Thank you Mormons for making me atheist.
Ruxify 1 month ago
@Ruxify you don't have to be a atheist.....come to the biblical Jesus Christ and he will save you with his grace like he saved us born again christians,I am the way the truth and the life,
and the only way to the father is through me john 14:6,
if you use your mouth to say Jesus is Lord,
and if you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead,
you will be saved romans 10:9
oceantalk1 1 month ago
@oceantalk1
Why would Ruxify want to be a christian? Christianity is a bronze-age mythology with no proof that it's true.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates I am the way the truth and the life,
and the only way to the father is through me john 14:6,
God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten son,
so that who so ever believe in him,shall not perish,
but shall have everlasting life john 3:16
oceantalk1 1 month ago
@oceantalk1
Sorry, that's not proof.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates No proof that it's true? Read the preserved - factual writings of "Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. A.D. 100)". Or the dead sea scrolls for that matter. Also, Christianity is the largest religion in the world... so I would re-consider your ideology of Christianity being a "bronze-age myth".
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Just because Josephus (or any historical document) corroborates the existence of a man names Jesus (or other events in the bible), doesn't meant that Jesus was the son of a god or that any of the supernatural stuff described in the bible is true.
Christianity being the largest religion in the world isn't proof either... it just means it's successful.
If I were you I would learn what really constitutes proof.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason.
Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
You're great at spouting out fallacies.
Fact is, historical corroboration does not equal evidence of the supernatural. Large as it is, christianity is still a bronze-age mythology, albeit a popular one.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates And what fallacy did I just "spout out"? Because an analogy of the Christian faith is quite contrary to theological-sound-doctrine.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
You're spouting a lot of nonsense, now. Start making sense, and perhaps then we'll have a diologue. Otherwise, good luck... as you still haven't provided any proof that the bible is the words of a god.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Have you read the bible?
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
I have, and the NT cover to cover. Have you? Doesn't seem like it.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates I read it daily. Because you've read it... then you know that Christians live by faith, not needing proof. Faith & salvation is a gift from God to those who ask: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you", Have you asked for Jesus in your heart?
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Yes, christians are taught to live by faith, and they are foolish to fall for that trick. Why are you so foolish to fall for a book full of so many factual and doctrinal errors? Why are you willing to rely on a feeling (faith) instead of looking for evidence? What a shame that you're taken in by this ruse.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Will you please inform me of these "factual and doctrinal" errors please? FYI... I'm not Mormon, and do not believe in the book of mormon, which is full of lies. I believe the bible is the infallible Word of God.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
You claim to ready the Bible daily, yet you're not aware of it's mistakes and errors? Wow, what version are you reading?
And why are you willing to take things on faith insteading of demanding evidence? That's not good for you.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Some of the many errors....
There was no global flood.
The creation as described is scientifically impossible
We know that slavery is wrong, yet god in Leviticus tells Moses how to buy and sell slaves.
Dozens of prophecies didn't come true, like the rebuilding of Tyre.
We know that women are not the property of men.... the bible doesn't.
Really, I could go on and on....
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates First off... where in the bible does it say Tyre will be rebuilt? Ezekiel prophesied it's destruction. "I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD". This prophecy was fulfilled by Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. by casting the whole city in the sea.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Look, if you're really interested in finding out the truth, do some research. Google it. Or check out evilbible. co m. There's lot of cites there. I'm not about to waste time with someone who simply wants to justify their faith instead of probing without bias.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates I answer your questions & you say I'm biased. Yet you claimed that Tyre had to be rebuilt in order to fulfill prophecy (which you probably"googled" without any other research) Will you answer my question: What verse in the bible says women are the property of men? Because Jesus taught that husbands should deeply love & respect their wives, just as they would love & respect their own bodies. Which doesn't mean to treat their wives as slaves or "property"
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
The problem with what Jesus said re wives, is that the OT first said otherwise. If god is unchanging, as many christians love to claim, then why the change? And even with love they were still property.
Like I said, if you really want to know this stuff, go ahead and do the research. But I think you'd rather just reinforce your bias. It's called confirmation bias, look it up.
But if you're interested in the truth, the Evilbible site is a great resource. Good luck.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Part 2...
And you're a bit confused about the Tyre prophecy. The bible says, as you wrote, that Tyre will NEVER be rebuilt. In other words, cease to exist. Problem is, Tyre DOES exist and has existed for thousands of years.
You DID know that, didn't you? Oh, no? Guess that shows that your "Sovereign LORD" doesn't know what he's talking about.... and neither do you.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates You haven't given me one scripture that supports your claim that women are property. Yet I gave you a few & can quote many more that say quite the contrary. You contradicted yourself 3 times about the prophecy of Tyre. 1st you said it hasn't been rebuilt, then you said there's several city's, now you say it still exists? And who needs to do research? Sounds to me like you believe everything you read on the internet and have faith in something after all.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Liar. I send you a link, posted in the comments on your page, that specifically showed multiple passages about the status of women as PROPERTY in the bible. You deleted it.
I never contradicted myself with Tyre. Are you really that stupid? I never said several cities either. YOU yourself quoted the scripture that said it would NEVER be rebuilt... and it has. One of the proofs that the bible is NOT the infallible word of a god.
Seriously, are you high or something?
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Part 2.
Since you conveniently deleted it off your page, I'll post it here. (remove spaces)
religioustolerance.o r g/ofe_bibl.h tm
(proof that women were second class in the bible, and considered the property of their husband or father)
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates 1st off I didn't delete anything.
That site is ridiculously antichrist & absurd. They look for fault by plucking verses out of context to condemn the bible. WAKE UP! IT'S NOT 1.000 BC, SO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT THE JEWS WERE DOING THAT TIME, IT'S POINTLESS!
Slavery/stoning/animal sacrifice was the way of the world then, thus, the levitical laws were written to accommodate them.
Many Muslims in the M.E. treat women way worse today. Condemn them!
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Oh, so now you're hiding behind the excuse that it was the way of the world, huh? Nice try. If you REALLY follow a god, then that god should have KNOWN even back then that slavery is wrong! Instead of tell Moses that it was OK. Wake up!
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates It was the way, as slavery was 100 yrs ago. So you say that's an excuse? The bible never says it's right!
You can complain about our current situations & inhumane idiots who abused the Word of God in order to serve their selfish purposes & I'm totally with you. But you can't complain about morality in 1.000 BC, it's ridiculous. Politics/culture & times have changed. It's the weakest attempt of attacking Christianity, a clear lack of biblical knowledge.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
LIAR. The bible DOES say slavery is OK. God tells Moses:
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. --Leviticus 25:44-46
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Nowhere does it say slavery is right (a good thing). These are merely rules about owning slaves. Remember there were 3 types of people in those days... Rich, poor & slave. Your stuck on 1000 yr old levitical laws, which as you know, Christ is the great liberator, who freed us from our sins and the OT law. Attack the Jews... who are still bound by the law. Oh wait... they don't have slaves anymore, times have changed.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Are you really that stupid? God's endorsing it, giving out the rules!
Oh, so now I'm "getting stuck" on 1000 year old laws... bullcrap. Here's the deal... YOU are believing in a book that endorses slavery! Every time you pick up your Bible, think of that.
Times have changed, huh? So I guess that means your god isn't perfect, un-changing and all-knowing after all! Because he apparently had to evolve!
Massive fail....
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Saying that by following Christianity you have to follow the Mosaic Law is absurd. It's like saying that by adopting a Greek philosopher's ideas you have to be a misogynist and encourage slave trade.
If you really read the bible, as you "claimed", then you would have a concise understanding how Christ freed us from the law. It's apparent you hate the bible and diligently search for fault in it (evilbible.co m) Man & history changes, God doesn't & hasn't.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Wrong again. If you REALLY read your bible, as you claim, you would know that. Christians love to claim how christ "freed" you from the law, but that contradicts Matt 5:18, "...Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
God doesn't change, huh? They I guess you DO believe that slavery is OK, because god sure does!
It's apparent that you're an atheist-hating fool who parrots what he's been told.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPl This is an example of how one CANNOT pluck a verse out of context, in which you did. You left out 5:17 " I did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; but to FULFILL". Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees about how He has come to fulfill what the Prophets spoke of Him. 1st: when He died on the cross for our sins & was resurrected. 2nd: He will return to fulfill His purpose for time in His Millennial kingdom & will usher His earthly kingdom into eternity.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Bullcrap. There's plenty of biblical scholars who intepret it my way. So much for your bible being infallible.
Just like when it said that Tyre would never be rebuilt, and yet it was... the bible fails.
Just like when Moses is told by god how to buy and sell slaves.... the bible fails.
Just like the supposed global flood which we now know never happened... the bible fails.
Hey, I'm curious... how many slaves do you have?
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Don't get angry now & stay on topic here... No biblical scholar would interpret that scripture in your way. It makes absolutely no sense! Christ came to FULFILL the law, get it? Fulfill? And that's exactly what He did! That's why we are not bound by the old covenant or mosaic law anymore. Now the Jews are still bound by the law & try to live accordingly. I suppose if they had slaves they would oblige by the levitical laws. But again...times have changed.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Try reading that passage again, and you'll see that it's referring to the fact that nothing will pass from the old law until HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY. So you're obviously wrong. Or perhaps you don't understand English very well?
Funny how you didn't have an answer for the other things that are wrong with the bible. Typical. You're a cafeteria christian.... you pick and choose what you want to believe.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Mt 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away" . It's alright, you simply took a verse out of context, it happens all the time. We now know Jesus came to "fulfill" the law (as stated in Matthew 5) so Christians don't live by levitical (ceremonial) laws, as do the Jews. Sorry, I tend to stay on topic and not jump around so I can finish my point.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
The verse isn't taken out of context, imbecile. Apparently you're just too stupid to understand the significance.
Why does your god change his mind on slavery? I guess that means he's not perfect.
Why does he command the killing of thousands of people?
Why was your god wrong about the rebuilding of Tyre?
Why does your bible talk about a global flood that never happened?
And why are you so stupid that you can't admit what's obvious?
You poor thing...
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Will you please read Genesis 22:7-18, then John 1:29 and John 3:16. This explains Gods plan to fulfill the word given to Abraham (2000yrs before Christ came) in Gen 22:18, which ultimately fulfilled the Mosaic law - Hebrews 10:18.
Then I will be happy to answer your other questions.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
They are rhetorical questions, and they are evidence against your bible being infallible. And no, I'm not going to read those addl scripture. I've had enough of your bullcrap. The evidence against the bible is obvious and numerous. If you want to continue being fooled by it, that's your choice. Good luck.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Rhetorical questions? That was about Abraham and the fulfillment of the promise given to him.
You can have an eternal peace and joy that cannot be described with words if you ask Christ in your heart & pray for faith & your eyes to be opened to see the truth (not by Catechism). Christ is "the truth, the way and the light; no one can come to the Father except through Him". Jesus taught, gave, was & died out of love for us, who could hate Him for that?
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
You said, "You can have an eternal peace and joy that cannot be described with words if you ask Christ in your heart & pray for faith & your eyes to be opened to see the truth"
Now why would I believe in unproven mythology? That's pretty stupid. I have no interest in suspending my intelligence in order to believe in fairy tales. Sadly, you have.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates I didn't believe in Christ when I asked Him into my heart. He answered my prayer, gave me faith, opened my eyes & revealed to me who He really is by the Holy Spirit.
"Ask & it shall be given you; seek, & ye shall find; knock, & it shall be opened unto you; For every one that asketh receiveth; & he that seeketh findeth; & to him that knocketh it shall be opened"
Believing is a gift from God when we ask Christ into our heart & to forgive us for our sins.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Now why would I believe in unproven mythology? That's pretty stupid. I have no interest in suspending my intelligence in order to believe in fairy tales. Sadly, you have.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Now you think Christ was a myth? Faith (believing) is a gift, we receive, if we ask & seek. I hope you understand that.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Faith is a stupid way to make decisions. I hope you understand that.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates We all live by faith. When you drink water - you have faith it's not contaminated. When you buy grocery's - you have faith the food is safe to eat. When you fly - you have faith in the pilot. Or when you eat out - you have faith in the cook. You have faith every morning you wake up - that your heart will still pump. The list goes on... you have faith without knowing it. It's a fact.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Gosh, you're confused about what faith is. Poor thing. We don't live by faith. All the things you describe are reasonable expectations based on past experiences. Obviously, that's not the same as faith.
If you're going to try to convert people, you should at least get your definitions and facts correct. Because we don't live by faith. Nice try, tho.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates FAITH = "confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability." (Dictionary.c om) Look it up.
You might want to re-consider your logic behind your definition of faith.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
You might want to reconsider your intelligence. They're obviously 2 different situations. One is based on verifiable real-world experiences... the other on subjective feelings in the mind. Big difference. Your comparison fails.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Faith is faith. Whether it be faith in Christ or having faith in the pilot when you fly. You can't see him fly the plane, but you're putting your trust in him to safely take you to your destination. So is the same as having faith in Christ.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
No, faith is not faith. In the example you gave, the pilot is a real person with training and experience, therefore I have a reasonable expectation that he knows how to fly a plane. On the other hand, Jesus is just one of many unproven god myths. There's no reasonable expectation involved. It's completely different.
The fact that you think it's the same shows a serious lack of understanding.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Nice... but when you fly, your putting your faith in what's "expected", which is to safely arrive at your destination. So it requires a lot of faith, because you're putting your life in someones hands that you don't know.
But we know who Christ is, by His Word, and He gives freely (faith) to those who ask.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Having a reasonable expectation that you will arrive safely is far different from believing in a mythological figure.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Are you saying you believe Christ is a myth and never existed? Do you remember Josephus and his historical writings about the Christ and the persecution of the first/early Christians and Church?
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Seriously? Do you remember when I explained to you that Josephus mentioning Jesus in passing only confirms a historical person by that name and not the mythological aspects (supernatural) of the NT narrative? Proof of existence is not proof of divinity or anything else.
Again, you show a serious lack of understanding.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates In Josephus Testimonium , Jesus is described as a teacher and miracle worker, attracting a large following who revered him after his death. He also refers to the Apostle James.
Didn't you know this?
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The Testimonium Flavianum (the correct name) is full of what's called interpolations (by christian copyists) and is not considered to be authentic by most scholars of the bible.
Didn't you know this?
But even if it was, it's not proof of divinity. How many teachers and miracle workers have I heard about in my lifetime? Many, and of course if you investigate further you find out they're a fraud. Josephus was not a eyewitness, either.
Oh, didn't you know this?
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates FYI, Historians tend to call it the Testimonium & is found in the Antiquities of the Jews-18.63-64. I studied it yrs ago. Some parts are controversial, but those parts of the Testimonium that even secular scholars regarded as authentic, Jesus is described as a rabbi (teacher) & miracle worker. He also dated the Apostle James death - 64 AD during which Josephus was still alive.
So tell me, what other miracle workers are there?
Name the miracle workers
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
I studied it too, and the complete name is the Testimonium Flavianum. I know where it's found. It's so funny that you think you can teach me anything.
Modern scholars do NOT think that the parts about being a miracle worker are authentic.
MANY have claimed to do miracles... Aharon Rokeach, Akhtar Raza, Apollonius of Tyana, Audrey Marie Santo, Baal Shem of London, Benny Hinn, Baba Sali, Buddha, Chaim Elazar Spira, Jacob Cochran, Jacob Frank... the list is far LONGER.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates We can go in circles about the testimonium, but ask any biblical scholar (secular) & they will tell you that many sections of it are in fact authentic. But the evilbible & its preconceived opinion of Christ is one sided & prejudice, so your source is biased
Now, your list of "miracle workers" where's Manson & Jim Jones? The Bible is full of people performing magic, the Pharaohs magicians & prophets of Baal. But Christ performed the one ultimate miracle - He was resurrected!
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Yes, I know many parts of it are authentic. That still doesn't provide evidence that the miracles attributed to Jesus really happened.
Including the one about being resurrected... never happened.
You're not very good at this... ya know?
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates I never contradict myself, as you did a few times.This is because I'm grounded in my faith, which cannot be thwarted by unbelievers. Gods word doesn't fail, man does.
Were you a Mormon or hurt by the church & abandoned your faith? Because I read your other post's & you go way out of your way to try & dis-prove God & the bible. Maybe your just really searching & frustrated because you want proof and you can't comprehend faith? God has good plans for you.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
I've never contradicted myself, kiddo. Wrong on that one.
And regardless of being a ex-mormon or not, christianity still has no proof that it's the one true religion from any god. The bible is unreliable as I've shown in past comments.
FYI, I was also a christian for a while after I left mormonism. but that's as fake as mormonism is.
So, unless you have some proof of your claims, I'm not interested in your false religion.
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@TheKinderhookPlates Let's see... You said "Dozens of prophecies didn't come true, like the rebuilding of Tyre". So I quoted Ezekiel 26 to correct you & you said "There's lot of cites there" then you said "Tyre will NEVER be rebuilt". Hmm???
The bible is standing the test of time! No one has been able to prove that any part of it is false. You seem to ignore the hundreds of prophecy's that have been fulfilled, or all the archeological evidence that has been found. Why?
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Ouch!!! You flagged my comment? Come on now!
BTW, unless your doing the Lords work... let them be. It's a waste of time. Mormons fear man, which is why they're afraid to leave. They don't fear/know God, if they did, they would leave.
So here's one of many fulfilled prophecy's: Matt 24:5 "For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ' and will deceive many". JS came in Christ name, claimed to know the real christ & obviously deceived many. Sad
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
I didn't flag your comment.
One of many fulfilled prophecies? To make up for all the failed prophecies of the Bible?
I'm not doing "the Lord's work" and neither are you, since there's no evidence of a personal god. Not sure why you keep on referring to your belief in mythology as fact?
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@TheKinderhookPlates Go look at you past comments because now your lying! Your quote from 6 days ago: "There's lot of cites there. I'm not about to waste time with someone..."
Your quote from one week ago "Dozens of prophecies didn't come true, like the rebuilding of Tyre."
You gave me a list of a few things trying to dis-prove the bible, but you elude the thousands of discovery's & prophecy's that prove it's the truth. THE FOOL HAS SAID IN HIS HEART, THERE IS NO GOD
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Part 2.
The word is CITES, not cities! Gosh, you're dumb! Don't you know what a cite is?
Yes, "dozens of prophecies didn't come true, like the rebuilding of Tyre" (when the bible said it wouldn't happen)... I was absolutely correct in that statement, because the rebuilding of Tyre DID happen even tho the bible claimed it wouldn't.
Are you really that obtuse?!
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates I thought you said city, which is why it made absolutely no sense to me. :P
Look, you want proof & there is plenty of it. Even Einstein believed "All is One & Interconnected in Nature & God". It seems you're just looking for fault because you're angry at God. Perhaps it's because you spent several years serving/dedicating your entire life to a cult. God is still calling you (not the god of the mormons) & when you stop fighting you will know the truth!
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
Angry at god? Seriously, don't you christians have anything original to say? I've heard that silly claim for years. Not fighting... I'm saying, show me the evidence, and you have none!
Oh, c'mon! Einstein didn't believe in a personal god! "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." (from Albert Einstein, The Human Side, by Dukas & Hoffman)
He believed in Spinoza's god, abstract & impersonal. Look it up.
Try again.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Einstein idolized God. "I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details".
-(From E. Salaman, "A Talk With Einstein)
And we all know his most famous quote: "God does not play dice".
So, did Einstein need proof of God? Certainly not! His brilliant mind saw God in creation, and he could not deny this fact.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
You went stupid on me again. There's abundant evidence that Einstein didn't beleive in a personal god. You know what a PERSONAL god is? Did you EVEN look up Spinoza's god? Or are you willfully ignorant?
"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously." (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)
spaceandmotion.co m/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.h tm (remove spaces)
There's no proof of a personal god.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates You totally missed my point. Yes Spinoza believed in a god & creation! What I quoted you first, was from Spinoza "God - Nature -one". My point is that (according to you) Einstein is stupid for believing in a god.
Quote: In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Part 2. Of course you'll dance in circles, call me stupid and turn things around to tell me the difference between a personal God & not again. That's not my point! Einstein didn't need proof, saw creation & believed in a god. He understood there had to be a god to create such a perfect earth & universe, and never said "I need proof to believe". Einstein detested atheism & saw it as arrogant and "Missing the Wonders of the World".
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Part 3. Interview by George Sylvester Viereck
"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"
"Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, is the impression which we receive from an account of heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus"
Not a myth?
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
You went stupid on me yet again!
He's talking about the historical Jesus, not the miracles and supernatural crap!
Why do you keep posting stuff that just makes you look foolish? Don't you understand the difference between a personal god, and a god that's defined as an abstract concept, the laws of the universe? Einstein didn't believe in a god that answers prayers, who cares about our lives, etc! Even if he did, he'd be WRONG.
Really, you're wasting my time.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Wasting your time? You're constantly trolling youtube just to get a rouse out of mormons & Christians by claiming they're stupid to have faith & believe in the Bible (Yet I'm on your side about TBOM).
And if I'm stupid - apparently Einstein was too. Personal or not - he believed in god (you don't). He said Jesus was not a myth (a word you love to compare Christ's teachings with). He had faith (something you can't comprehend yet) & he hated atheism.
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zoetropez76 1 month ago
@zoetropez76 Did I ever say "personal God"? We were talking about having faith in the existence of a god, which Albert Einstein had. Kinderhookplate claimed: "Only stupid idiots have faith". -From E. Salaman,- A Talk With Einstein, "I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
So if Einstein wanted to know Gods thoughts, seems pretty personal!
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zoetropez76 1 month ago
@zoetropez76 You make no sense at all. If your implying I believe in Spinoza's god, your dead wrong. I believe in one God... Jesus Christ.
Einstein had faith in a creator, a god who created "The Wonders Of The World". You're missing the forest for the trees buddy. Read Spinoza's writings about his belief in god and how Einstein believed in most of his teachings. Then come back.
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zoetropez76 1 month ago
@zoetropez76 Part 2. Einstein was from the 20th century, Spinoza was from the 17th century. So I have no idea who your talking about or why you made such an absurd statement.
So do yourself a favor and research before you make such ludicrous comments.
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@zoetropez76 Did I ever say "personal God"? We were talking about having faith in the existence of a god, which Albert Einstein had. Kinderhookplate claimed: "Only stupid idiots have faith". -From E. Salaman,- A Talk With Einstein, "I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
So if Einstein wanted to know Gods thoughts, seems pretty personal!
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@TheKinderhookPlates Wasting your time? You're constantly trolling youtube just to get a rouse out of mormons & Christians by claiming they're stupid to have faith & believe in the Bible (Yet I'm on your side about TBOM).
And if I'm stupid - apparently Einstein was too. Personal or not - he believed in god (you don't). He said Jesus was NOT a myth (a word you love to compare Christ's teachings with). He had faith (something you can't comprehend yet) & he hated atheism.
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@TheKinderhookPlates This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Even those who saw Jesus perform miracles rejected Him, mocked Him and crucified Him. It's the same today.
Look... either Jesus was a raging lunatic who deceived billions of people, or He is the son of God. The only thing He can't be is a good teacher! His words have not left that option open to us.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@MrJazzeman
The verdict? Jesus performed miracles? Why do you keep on referring to myths and beliefs as fact? Don't you ever learn?
Sorry, but unless you have some evidence that what you claim is true, I'm not interested in mythology. Plain and simple.
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@MrJazzeman
Oh, I still got your "mock god" message.Why do you quote the bible to me like I care?It's the same as quoting Harry Potter.
As for Tyre, the ONLY thing I said was that the Bible claims Tyre would never be rebuilt, but we know it was. Therefore, the bible is wrong.You made up the other stuff. I never said Tyre will never be rebuilt, I never said there's a lot of cities there. You're very confused or stupid. Check the history.
The bible does NOT stand the test of time.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates It all makes sense now! You have to be an ex-Mormon... kinderhook plates - LOL. This is sad, you never knew who Christ really was. The BOM is so corrupt. It's inspired by Demons (Gal 1:6) written by a crazy false prophet (2 Tim 3:13), and totally distorts the real Father God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. The god (s) of the BOM is not the God of the bible and definitely is NOT a testimony of Jesus Christ.
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates So lets conclude this issue concerning the OT law & Jesus. Romans 10: 8 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes". Gal 5:3-4 "Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised [Levitical Law] that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace".
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Part 2. So why don't you condemn the Muslims? We know in parts of the Middle East they still stone/beat/abuse and even kill their wives for not submitting to them.The Quran is very clear about such horrendous crimes. Are you aware of what Christ said & Paul about treating others: "Wives submit to your husbands & husbands submit to your wives", "treat others the way you want to be treated", "love your neighbor as you love yourself". He taught us pure love
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@TheKinderhookPlates About women: The bible clearly states in Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus’
As far as the bible teaching that women are property, the Bible is simply relating a cultural belief of the time as opposed to specifying that women should in fact be considered property. Could you be specific as to a particular verse in the Bible - the NT?
MrJazzeman 1 month ago
@oceantalk1 Uh, I want to be an atheist. Sorry, I have no interest in your childish stories.
Ruxify 1 month ago
@Ruxify but all atheist need to repent and come to the biblical Jesus so he can save them with his grace like he saved us born again christians,atheist are going to hell if they die in their sins............repent
oceantalk1 1 month ago
@oceantalk1
stop bothering us with your fairy tales. none of what you say is true.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
ho dear you people who think you know every thing well me tell you know nothing you talk a load of rubbish dos it make you feel good coming on youtube and running of at the mouth what a big load of sad people why dont you get a life anybody that is brainwashed it is you,s so if you dont believe they why do you bother to come on here and rattle at the teeth
doreenandpeter2006 1 month ago
What the heck is acadamia? Is that a cross between academics and a macadamia nut? Sounds just like another mormon girl I know She is a genious cause she says so! yet she believes in fairy tales and cuts dog hair for a living...yep thats a genious!
km80120 2 months ago
Satan can and does give you feelings too. You must use yiour intelect and study the differences between what the Bible says and what the LDS tell you. You can see without a doubt they are a false religion.
foresigns 2 months ago
WOW ... that lady is brainwashed.
What I don't get is why in most "religions" did God need to have PEOPLE write HIS MESSAGES down in a book, when God could have just BEAMED it into people minds and STILL given them freewill to chose to listen or NOT. At least we would KNOW we are receiving the CORRECT messages! DUH
Godlovesallpeople 2 months ago
Wow so that is the key to salvation, to open your mind until your brain falls out. The true meaning of b.s.
rjcode6 2 months ago
sooo...... you made a choice that you agree is not logical? remember people felt and believe passionately that the earth was flat... and umm... what this person is tell us is... she is a hypocrite to herself? i guess she didn't learn her lesson with santa claus. (incase someone else hasn't either... there is no santa claus) lol
solidenber 2 months ago
Don't laugh, christians. This is the exact same way you sound to us.
fdasherv 2 months ago
@fdasherv No man, it's not. Faith, in greek, "the evidence of things unseen". When we find the city of Jericho in archeology, and find that its built the exact same way the Bible describes, there is something there. When we go inside the ruins and find burnt "wheat" in pots (unbelievably rare to find) showing that the attackers didn't loot the city, but destroyed it (specifically in the Bible), there is something about it. You see, there is a difference between "blind" faith, and faith.greek
gloinstrong 2 months ago
@gloinstrong So? The bible wasn't written in a vacuum. There were cities on the site of Jericho for 11,000 years. (Gee, that's BEFORE creation!) Burnt wheat in pots is indeed rare. So rare that they've NOT been found at this site. Creationists are not archeologists, they're liars. Don't tell me, you think the ark has been found, too.
fdasherv 2 months ago
@fdasherv LOL, Burnt wheat WAS found at Jericho, the Smithsonian INstitute and National Georgraphic can attest to that. As for the cities being before Creation? And no, the Ark has not been found.
gloinstrong 2 months ago
@gloinstrong You can easily fall for lies. I, on the other hand, cannot. So provide a link to a reputable source for "burnt wheat" or be done with it.
Yes..."before creation". Pre-God!
fdasherv 2 months ago
@fdasherv Just curious, but what did you mean by "11,000 years. (Gee, that's BEFORE creation!) ." Thanks.
AlienSpace666 2 months ago
@AlienSpace666 "what did you mean by "11,000 years. (Gee, that's BEFORE creation!)"
Just pointing out that cities and civilization were in existence well before the supposed biblical creation myth.
fdasherv 2 months ago
@fdasherv Oh, ok. The "believed biblical time of creation" according to the bible or genesis is within the first week of time itself. Christians believe that the earth and the heavens were created at the same point in time that everything else within the cosmos were created and that we were created on the fifth day of time. Obviously, we were not around when the earth was first created and we know that dinosaurs were here before we were. So, there's really no way we could have preceeded time.
AlienSpace666 2 months ago
@AlienSpace666 "The "believed biblical time of creation" according to the bible or genesis is within the first week of time itself."
I don't think Genesis is sophisticated enough to contend that time itself was created. The "first day" doesn't mark the beginning of time but the beginning of the earth. There was already activity before creation as god "moved over the deep". Even a god can't operate in a static time state.
fdasherv 2 months ago
@fdasherv I agree, just stating the arrogance that the christians claim. In their eyes, our existence was realtively close to the beginning because in their eyes, life itself is based around humanity, but then again.. what religious group doesn't believe we are the very reason for life. Genesis is a great book, but very flawed. I claim no religion because it all tries explaining something that we'll never be able to explain. The energy that powers life is God. All we need is love, not labels.
AlienSpace666 2 months ago
Oh great. You think critically about everything in your life except the most critical part like a true moron--I mean mormon.
cbl2988 2 months ago
@neil73 haha, the writing on it was in polygamy we trust on one side and nuevos de ordo on the other
DreamingOutLoud33 2 months ago
Please blend!
mstr416 2 months ago
She came from an academic background? Bullshit! If she did, she would've had the critical thinking skills to see through the scam. Hell, it doesn't even take that MUCH to see through it! Joseph Smith running away with 200Lbs of golden plates under his arm? lol!
neil73 2 months ago 2
They must a sucked out her brains, she's the poster-child for religious brainwashing. DON'T QUESTION, JUST BELIEVE OR ELSE. Scary stuff. Power to the sheeple
TheDano1947 2 months ago