"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
In my opinion healthcare is a right. Poor people have to exist for the rich to be rich. If they are stuck being poor, they at least deserve healthcare. I'm not talking about the homeless but the people who take out our trash, clean our hospitals, fix electrical or plumbing problems, remodel old buildings, etc etc
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
the legal dictionary states: right - an abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature; "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
Healthcare is not abstract like the freedom of speech or the right to property. it is a physical good and service provided through labor of a licensed, educated worker who provides it of his/her own will. governments can pay for healthcare but they cannot designate them as rights.
@Ravengaurd6 A legal dictionary does not carry the authority that you assume it does and again I ..NOTICE I am talking about a human right which transcends legalities in the first place , To your latter point ,,,Switzerland , Germany , England , France , Belgium , the Netherlands , disagree with you ,, They all seem to believe that healthcare is a right ,,,
@authorandrewcothran that's the right to get healthcare.the right to get healthcare is separate still from healthcare in and of itself,which is a product of labor that requires training, funding and licensing.
If a government is UNABLE to provide healthcare for it's citizens(due to debts or what have you), does that mean it is violating their rights?
Most people, when asked about the individual tenants of the affordable healthcare act (AKA Obamacare) people agree that they're good things. Like, preventing insurance companies from ditching paying members when they get sick or healthcare industry reform, spending control, repeal of insurance companies' exemption from anti-trust laws etc. Unfortunately most people have been misled and lied to about Obamacare. Search Wiki for this act, you'll see. It's sensible reform.
He is completely right on almost everything. If you can't afford healthcare or education then just borrow the money. Think deeply and you'll slowly understand
What's the problem? If cost of the healthcare is the problem then why don't the goverment limited the cost or depend on salary on bank? I personally think healthcare is important to let the poor nor rich to have benefit to be hospitalized or to prevent the future disease (ex. flu).
@Ravengaurd6 I'm pretty young to know what microeconomics is but if shortage of resources is problem then why don't we equal the resources in for rich,middle and poor.Mismanagement would be organized by pharmacists or other new job to calculate the payment depend people's salary. Im not smart but this is my perspective for solution.
@seand1234 The preoblem with controlling prices is that you cannot control consumers. consumer make their decisions based on prices, so prices should at the most be directed to reflect the most efficient means of producing and allocating the goods. the consumers will over-consume a product that is overpriced and the revenue will not be strong enough to maintain production of the good, so the producers will cut down on it. but prices are pretty high in pharmaceuticals so maybe some cap
@Ravengaurd6 I just want healthcare that can provide a people more often go to hospital without any struggle of money for the most and I think healthcare should provide privilege medical care on costumer(people) health to prevent cancer or symptoms may come by. Payment for healthcare should be depend on wages and age are important. If you have more money then pay more if you have less money then pay less. Its not average or poor people have the most money but the rich people.
@seand1234 I think that's awesome. we should work towards a system where healthcare is easily attainable. the first thing we need to do is handle the problem of scarcity. ie. WE NEED MORE DOCTORS...AND MORE HOSPITALS. once we provide the country with more of each, the care will be more accessible, as specific fields expand wages will fall for doctors and lower the cost of that labor. the biggest issue we can fix right off the bat is expansion of the most basic care.
@Ravengaurd6 Your RIGHT doctor would've lost some money even though if healthcare were taken care by government LIKE taxes. Collecting money from riches and use as medically portion is it that hard? And I guess other country are suffering with lack of doctors and hospitals.
@seand1234 well that and tremendous debt built up by government over extensions. that's debt that the people will be forced to pay through austerity cuts and higher taxes which will wreck their markets for years. that's why lowering cost and expanding the market is the most important thing to do. something that works by promoting competition growth and access to the healthcare field. no point in providing something if it'll bankrupt you.
@Ravengaurd6 Like I said "taken care" doesn't mean paying from government for healthcare, But paying by riches. Then riches would have problem paying for taxes+healthcare. Then lower the cost of the medicine and treatment from the doctor or pharmacists. Personally the cost of medicine or therapy are too much for me.
@seand1234 the costs are so high because the companies that provide it coopt laws and regulations that push out competition so that the people won't have alternatives.
@Ravengaurd6 thats why we need to limit the cost that matches with other country.
Co-opt laws and regulations leading the benefit to doctors and riches then average consumer.Competition are just an excuse to avoid the control from government and losing there rich costumer.
@DarkosApprentice the problem with health care not being a right is the fact that it is a product of labor not something naturally in possession of an individual. it's not so simple as the taxes you pay since taxes are currently an involuntary process and the operation of a nationalized healthcare system is not authorized by the Constitution and and can be easily corrupted as has been already pointed out.Not to mention as the current govt continues to spend it slaves us to debt
@geelow4321 - I understand it seems counter-intuitive, but Dr. Paul understands very well both economics & medicine. He doesn't advocate letting poor people die. He knows that government intervention in the healthcare industry is what caused the prices to go up so dramatically and that by getting gov out, competition will drive prices down & over time, prices will continue to fall and poor people will be able to access MORE healthcare. Government = higher prices /watch?v=3WnS96NVlMI
@geelow4321 he's not saying die. did you watch the video? he simply stated that the reason healthcare has risen so sharply is because of government intervention in healthcare. he wants the return to a system where health care would be easier to obtain with out enslaving the citizens to debt or forcing people to fill the pockets of medical corporations.
@authorandrewcothran that is not the definition of a right. A legal and constitutional right is a specific liberty or property that you possess as a human being. therefore you have a right to your life, to the property you have acquired and to your liberty. you cannot and do not have a right to another persons property,life or liberty. healthcare is goods and labor provided by other human beings. believing you have a born right to peoples labor is technically enslavement.
@Ravengaurd6 I have a right to optimum health care ,,which sustains and improves my life .This is my right as a human being which by the way trumps your opinion s
@authorandrewcothran you have a right to obtain it but you have no right to force people to give it to you. that's not my opinion. that's the nature of law in regards to human rights in obtaining goods or services.
@Ravengaurd6 You are batting in left field here ,,We are not talking about forcing anyone to do anything except what our government forces us to do already which is pay taxes ,,You like so many people who see health care as a commodity fail to understand that those who believe they have a right to it are not proposing that they have no responsibility to pay for it .. Also we are not talking about seizing private property ..we are talking about taxation which is the norm ..
@Ravengaurd6 Also ..You are not in a position to define or interpret anything for any one else .. At the end of the day if the majority wishes to create a system that will provide health care for all its citizens then it will happen .. When that day comes this same argument with be going on as to right and responsibility ..
@authorandrewcothran that's not the definition I give that's the legal definition of a right under the constitution and within the law. The country is a constitutional republic and it can only become a right if the constitution is amended.the is no political body is pushing to make health care a right, the only bulls moved forward were mandatory insurance and government insurance not healthcare. so the cost will stay the same and the nation will go bankrupt.
@Ravengaurd6 What is your source ? Show me a reputable source that states exactly what you have stated in regards to what defines a right according to our constitution ? Actually a human right is not established by the Constitution ,, and that is what i am talking about ..A human right .. We have the right to health care simply because we are human .
@authorandrewcothran Rights are not granted by government. They are recognised and preserved by government. Your born with your rights. You do not have a right to have the government steal from others to pay for your healthcare, food, house etc. That would be a government granted privilage throught the theft of the rights of others. You have the right to pursue goods and services like healthcare. You have absolutly no right to get it through the labor of others.
@LexNaturalis1982 You are welcomed to your opinion but i have not once said that i would steal anything from anyone ,,But do i have a right to health care even at tax payers expense ? Yes ..I do ..
@authorandrewcothran whether you steal from me for your own benefit or you get the government to steal from me for your benefit, it is still a violation of my rights and liberties to premote an undue privilage for yourself.
@LexNaturalis1982 Actually it is not .. You are forgetting about Freedom of speech ,,If i were a comunist who disagress with you and who promotes a system that destroys your rights to liberty ,,and yet i did not in reality try to slander you or physically take away your rights it would still be my right to promote exactly what i wish ,, In reality that isn't the case ..i respect your right to your opinions but i have the right to promote my own ..
@LexNaturalis1982 Using your own logic ..you should be denied police protection , You have no right to be protected because you are doing so at least in part because of the collective labors of thousands ,, Do you agree ? We also don't have the right to military defense , paved roads , public schools ,,ect ,,You have benefited from the labors of others all of your life ,,so it is a bit short sighted of you to make this argument .
@authorandrewcothran Police and the military are a part of the essential necessities of government to ensure that there is a course of action if there is anyone who attempts to violate your rights. Sense no one disputes this and sense the police are implemented in providing for the general, not specific, welfare, everyone pays for a service that that everyone beneifits from in the form of maximum liberty with minimal tyranny. You didnt know this?
Lex ...You cannot divide general and specific welfare with any sense of coherence .Individual welfare taken collectively institutes general welfare . Its like saying that the government is an entity that exists for the people but not for the benefit of the individual citizen . I argue that health care is essential to government because for the most part it is essential to life ,,,Life Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness ,
@authorandrewcothran To take from one class of citizens to give to another class of citizens for political support is a corruption of the process. You dont have a right to my labor.I am not a slave to those who want me to labor on their behalf with no gain for myself.A service granted by government is not a right but a privilage at anothers expense.Especially if your a part of the 49%that dont pay taxes, yet expect 51%to pay for you. "pursuit" is not "guarentee"! Rights cannot be granted by gvt.
@LexNaturalis1982 oh wait a minute ..i did not say anything about clases here . The rich , the poor , the middle class , whoever deserves the best healthcare on the planet ,In fact money should not be the first concern when any treatment is rendered ,
Legally governments do grant this right to citizens all around the world .because they see this as a human right first and it is .We will have to agree to disagree it seems .
@authorandrewcothran If you want to understand where we differ look up "negative liberty vs. positive liberty: on youtube. In any case, government cannot grant a right. It can only recognise our self evident inaleinable rights and defend them against theft such as the ontheft your advocating. You would have me work with no benefit to myself to pay for those who cannot work for their own healthcare. Thats part time slavery my friend where no rights exist.
@authorandrewcothran No one has the right to live thier lives without being offended. Although, it is impossible to offend me by the written word. Those who appeal to emotion get offended.Those who appeal to fact are never offended because 1.theyre right, or 2.theyre wrong and happy to have discovered the truth.The British are perhaps the best at this as well.I find that pissing off a brit only ends up in a stoic demeanor & a whitty obscure comback to which most dont know theyre being insulted.
@LexNaturalis1982 i apologize for my last response to you .itwas childish and wrong and i have removed the comment though you should get a copy in your inbox .
All i am going to say here is that you are entitled to your own opinions about health care , taking offense , emotions or whatever ,,I really don't care ,,May God bless you ..have a happy new year ..Goodbye .
Well explain this one. As a taxpayer I contribute to Road repairs, police and fire protection, public education, Libraries, and yes--when someone is rushed to the emergency room and cannot pay, yes we the taxpayers still pay for their medical care.
So I think you missed the point pal, the reality is yes people are already spomgoing off your hard labor and have been doing thios for quite some time. This is nothing new to any of us. If you don't like it than leave.
Continued, and as far as your kids are concern. Why should we pay to have your children go to public school?
Pay for it yourself.
You see you cannot discredit healthcare as right, and promote all other public services as right.
If you want to keep all of your money to yourself, well you'll just have to fil;l in your own pot holes with cement, or pay someone else to do it for you.
Imagine what life would be like if we didn't pay taxes at all.
If one-size-fits-all, top-down-federal-government-control of education didn't work (it hasn't), then why would we expect it to work for health care? One giant, slow-moving federal bureaucracy will not solve our health care (or education) problems better than 50 smaller, but faster moving state bureaucracies. This would give the people choices by moving, rather than having Obamacare shoved down their threats.
We should just give all the power back to the states and allow them deal with internal affairs. If a state wants socialized w/e, go for it. If a state wants more privatization, go for it. Let the Fed serve the sole purpose of protecting the country from foreign invasions. Kokocipher 2016
& just to add to my last two comments, he is against the government profiting from the people by pharmisutical companies (a mass multi-billion dollar business, one of the biggest federal bonus's schemes), & HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN EQUAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
These people work for you .A deployed active-duty Service Member’s three month old son has a severe medical condition that causes the child’s head to remain in a sideways position. The doctor has prescribed a special helmet that will reform the shape of the child’s head and prevent the child from further injury of his head, neck, and spinal cord, but this type of helmet is not covered by their medical insurance.
Ron paul never took medicare or medicad because he took whatever his patients could afford to pay him.he didnt give less treatment or more treatment based on someones ability to pay.he worked in catholic hospitals for 3.30 an hour HELPING people.he wants people to have freedom to chose whats best for the individual not the government
Ron paul a racist?i laugh at that.medical care is not a right.we have many people in this country who have a belief of "entitlement".just think of all those on welfare who get their health care paid for who then get a huge refund check simply for having 50 kids.im single work hard and have no health care because my employers is too costly but i have never asked the government to give me health insurance nor do i think im entitled to it.welfare should go to veterans.elderly and disabled
You know, I lived in South Korea a while back, and the healthcare there was cheaper, more efficient, and was the same quality, if not better than the quality of private American health care. Hell, I was treated for elective services that I would have forgone in the US due to high costs.
In a 100% private system, You get an industrial revolution market with downsides - Standard of living drops, healthcare is limited to the wealthy, and the middle class dies, increasing the disparity of wealth.
I like Ron Paul, for the record. I think he's the one of the politicians who have your nation's people at heart. He engages in political dialogue relevant to addressing American grievances. There are definitely at least some platforms of his that will solve major problems, even if he errs in some places. In any case, if he gets more attention, American political dialogue might start going the way it should, rather than the way corporations expect. I hope he gets the Republican nomination.
Just a not from a Canadian who benefits from universal health care, we are allowed to choose our method of treatment, provided that it's funded by our system. Our system funds the treatments that work. Alternative medicine has its own private sector, so if you want that, it's not covered, but most of that shit never works anyways, so it's no great loss. There are cases where people are turned away unjustly as hypochondriacs, but apparently that happens in America too, so that's not unique.
I honestly don't understand how Ron Paul is convinced that fully socialized healthcare would be costlier to people than free market care with insurance. Companies seek profit, governments don't. The system of subsidies may well be costlier than a system without them, but I think fully socialized healthcare could not possibly more expensive than healthcare provided for a profit. That tax credit idea is an interesting one, though. That's a little bit like socialized healthcare, actually.
@s0cietysreject Haha, Governments don't seek profit? Since when? I can't speak on behalf of all governments, for I have lived inside the US all my life(20 yrs), but the US government DEFINITELY seeks and maintains profit all the time. One of course could make the argument that the US is run by companies; in that sense I agree with your argument, and that true governments do not seek profits.
I also agree with your comment about tax credit. Farewell!
@YcantWeAllGetAbong Well, the politicians may seek a profit, but that is not through legal outfits. The point of a government treasury is not to turn a profit, it is to fund government programs. To some extent certain programs may result in profit for certain people, but that's a matter of corruption, not government turning a profit. The whole point ideally is to have programs to benefit people, social healthcare would be one such program. I absolutely understand the skepticism about government.
@simpleburn Also, I agree that's why we have amendments. Then if they want to make us pay for health care they need to amend it. But they haven't done that yet, have they?
Even though I agree that everyone should have healthcare, I don't care what Jesus thinks. I don't believe in the Bible. Jesus' opinion is totally irrelevant.
If the government had the idea of instituting socialized health CARE. That would not be such a bad idea. But that is not what the rebuplicratic socialist are trying to force on us. They want to enslave us to the health INSURANCE companies, by institutionalizing socialized health COVERAGE. The free market answer is to, stop paying insurance companies, and transfer all the wealth that they waste directly to the hospitals and doctors. think about how much health CARE would cost then. RonPaul2012
The free market answer is to get government out of healthcare. We don't know what will happen if we do that, but we know it will be better than this mess.
@Scoforever I know what will happen. The doctors and hospitals will have to compete directly, will simultaneously increases quality and lowers prices.
@Edgehead10075 He also made it a point to say that it should be cheaper and the debasement of our money is part of the problem. Watch it again and control your temper until the end.
@Scoforever Mate, let me tell you something - the National Health Service in the UK is a great system.
Yes, it is a socialised system, and yes, it costs a collosal amount (over 10% of UK GDP) - but I would never change it. The care is quality, universal, unlimited and free - and saves workers from being at the mercy of their employers or their insurers.
It was founded by the socialists Attlee and Bevan after WW2, but it has survived every government, right or left, since.
@BasilFawlty4444 That's great for you! However the United States has a constitution protecting freedom and liberty. If we were to adopt a universal healthcare system, we'd turn our backs to the principles that make our country great. Agreed, our healthcare system has a lot of problems. But it's not because we don't have a universal healthcare system, it's because our gov.'s corporate medicine is corrupting prices. We need a system that sticks to our principles and gets out of this mess. RP!
It is idiocy to suggest that having a socialised medical system in anyway damages liberty and freedom. Britain INVENTED these modern concepts!
There is nothing forcing anyone to use the system, and the current American system is a complete affront to liberty - it is nothing short of plutocracy!
@BasilFawlty4444 There's nothing forcing anyone to use the system? Then who the hell's paying for it? A government has nothing. A government depends on the people's taxes to make capital and pay for things.
The problem is that the government feels like it must take care of everyone. It feels that people are worthless w/o a gov and people are incapable of taking care of themselves. Courts, police, and defense is all the gov is made for. Socialized medicine only makes us slaves to our governments
@diehardzeppelinfan As opposed to private medicine, which makes Americans slaves to their employers or insurers. The difference is, we can punish and control our governments in elections.
Your statement "goverment...feels that people are worthless...and incapable of taking care of themselves" - is most indefensible assertion I've heard all year.
Average tax brackets in the UK are near identical to those in the US. Surely we pay taxes FOR public services!
@diehardzeppelinfan Once the Government becomes so powerful that they control your HealthCare system, education, food, housing, and retirement, they can use that to stay in power for centuries to come.
@kokocipher That is an incredibly stupid assertion.
The British Labour govenment of Attlee (1954-51) presided over the creation of the National Health Service and the Welfare State in the UK.
Are they still in power? - NO (which invalidates your argument). Labour were defeated in the 1951 British General Election mainly due to major divisions and disunity in the party, brought about by a political squabble over Britain's involvement in the Korean War.
"Once the Government becomes so powerful that they control your HealthCare system, education, food, housing, and retirement, they can use that to stay in power for centuries to come."
Only the rich deserve healthcare. Sick of poor people trying to stay alive with medicine. Fuck em. They should all suffer and die. Nothing is a right. The winner takes all. I cant wait until corporations enslave me rather than the evil govt.
It's always good to characterize people who disagree with you as fascists and to set up straw men. If you think people are going to let you get away with it...you're probably right.
Are you telling me that the libertarians believe otherwise? Libertarians believe that people only deserve the fruit of their work. Those who are disabled, and are unable to contribute as much as other people, or those who are mentally incapable deserve no additional support or accomadations. Libertarians believe in a dog eat dog system, and are 100% pro business. I would say that damnedcarrot's analysis on libertarians is correct.
Did the millions of Russians that starved to death under Lenin and Stalin have 'the right' to not starve to death? Probably; but because they believed in that right, they starved to death.
Public healthcare is right in a true democracy. But he is right, in a plutocracy it isn't. USA is a plutocracy so he is right. Americans should fight for a true democracy but with your fucking Tea Party you are fighting to go further in the plutocracy... try to find logic in that ???
Well, it's not a separate tax so you can't really remove it. You simply do your income taxes as you always do but when you need medical help, you get it taken care of and don't have to pay anything or not much. It's not an accident that the US is the only industrialized country that doesn't have this system. It works. This isn't a case where the US knows better than other countries, it's an example of them lagging behind.
@Scoforever, a non-answer? I just gave you the answer unless you can't read. If that's extortion then using taxes to build roads, hire teachers, policemen and firemen is also extortion. Bottom line is, do you want to pay more or less for your healthcare? The US system is, by far, the most expensive per capita while not fully covering you. You can spin it any way you like but if you want to defend the US system then give me some facts to bolster your case.
As for police, I am not sure whether they could be provided on a voluntary basis. Without police, there would be a great amount more crime, therefore it is not inconsistent for someone advocating against the use of force to support state police. If you can show why other services can't be provided voluntarily, go ahead.
"Bottom line is, do you want to pay more or less for your healthcare"
@Scoforever, your Shanedk has 217 videos. Could you be a little bit more precise? That being said, it doesn't really matter what he says because if it relates to cost, I have the stats at hand to make my point. I recommend you get informed from credible sources instead of making reference to some dude who decides to give his opinion on Youtube. BTW, what do you mean by voluntary basis? Are you saying they wouldn't get paid and just volunteer to be policemen?
You can search for health on Shanedk's uploads. And no, I don't simply repeat everything that Shane says without doing any research.
By voluntary, I mean that nobody threatens to initiate force or initiates force in order to provide the service. I do not advocate voluntary police, because I have not been convinced that it is feasible and I don't think that it is a very important issue in this day.
@Scoforever , "threatens to initiate or initiates force" to give you cost effective healthcare. Yes, you definitely sound brainwashed and not like someone speaking rationally with facts. You're just a parrot repeating sound bites, not a thinker. Healthcare in the US is ranked 37th in the world by the World Health Organization. The US cost per capita in 2007 was more than $7,200, way more than any other country.
@trader1963, furthermore, the US has an infant mortality rate that is higher and life expectancy that is lower than most industrialized countries that have universal healthcare at a lower cost. So if you have any stats to counter what I said I'd be happy to see them, but just don't reply with silly opinions that aren't supported by facts.
@trader1963 Citing mortality rates is immaterial, since Americans live more dangerous lives. Also, many of the infant mortalities in this country would be classified as "miscarriage" in Europe. It's all statistics manipulation.
Healthcare is unfortunately expensive in this country, and conservatives and libertarians want to fix that. The costs of healthcare are substantially increased by government interference.
I like when people make arguments that make no sense whatsoever. Paul's 1st point is: "No one has the right to medical care. If someone assumes such a right it endorses the notion that some individuals have the right to someone else's life and property". Someone, please tell me in a logical way how in the world having universal healhcare gives you the right over someone else's life and property? Really Ron? Really? Please take the time to explain how that happens....
@Scoforever, easy, you do like every other place that has Universal Healthcare (like Canada where I'm originally from), you pay it with taxes. Now I know you'll probably freak out because I used the "T" word but hear me out. With a non-profit system the extra taxes you would pay would still be less than your healthcare premiums, except that you have the advantage that it covers everyone, has no spending ceiling, no deductibles, or co-pays.
@trader1963 Because if someone's healthcare is to be provided as a right, then someone else must be forced to provide it. In the case of government healthcare, citizens are forced to pay for the healthcare by means of mandatory taxes. In this way, everyone is sacrificed to everyone. Everyone (who works) is forced to pay for everyone's healthcare, even if some individuals don't require healthcare.
@jonathanaconway, let's see now, someone who works is forced to pool their money with others to pay for medical help for everyone, even if they don't use it themselves. Hmmm, pretty much sounds like the FOUNDATION OF EVERY INSURANCE PLAN I KNOW. I do grant you that there is one major difference: healthcare delivered this way costs much less. How is that any different than car insurance for instance where you need to get insurance even if you don't get into an accident?
@ muratshawn "I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." I don't care about how Europeans look at us, if you do, go live there. The government should NOT take care of our citizens, we have to take care of ourselves. When you mean government you really mean producers pay for it. Healthcare is a service not a right and it must be paid for. No matter how much you want, you can't get something for nothing.
You have the right to healthcare in the same way that you have a right to free speech. You should be free to get it but your right stops when the right to property begins. You have no right to threaten to shoot someone to pay for your healthcare or the healthcare of others. That's all taxation is, the threat to shoot someone if they don't pay.
@MrsVegascrush Healthcare is not a human right in the sense that you cannot assume that when you get sick someone else will cover you, as to protect your human rights. Of course you have the right to receive heathcare if you pay, but you cannot just assume that it is automatically a right that someone else will provide for you
America should focus on health care. It's amazing to see a country like America focus so much money on war, then when faced with the prospect of instead spending that money on its citizens' health -- that's communism! And anyone who suggests it hates America, and freedom... and possibly wants the terrorists to win.
Look at the Denmark for example - Government-funded universal health care, and we're not in economic ruin. We have not turned into communists, either. Suck it, Ron Paul.
All he is saying is if people want a certain treatment ... because THEY beleive it will help.... let them... its their life... if any wrong doings occur you have the law to fall back on. Whats so hard... after 20 yrs old i was on my own.. i got out of the rule of my parents... now that im on my own.... i have a nanny/big brother to deal with... i thought i was an adult? Let people do what they want with their bodies.
Ron Paul is 100% correct! Health Care is NOT a right. It is a service that must be purchased. As much as we want it, you can't get something for nothing. A right is speech, religion, assembly, due process, things like that, not services. Food is more important that health care, is food a right? Should the government feed all of America? What about clothing? The answer is of course not. Now, we must do things to make health care affordable, like tort reform and increasing competition.
what a shame, no wonder the rest of the europeans see us as stupid and brainless......they laugh at us " look at the americans,the country that claims to be one nation under god, but they do not even wanna take care of their own citizen,reality is,americans are selfish and pretend to be one nation under god" they believe health care is a privilege and only if u have the money u should be treated and cared for......what a society that is LOL....pathetic!!!!
I kinda like and truly respect Ron Paul. He puts his money where his mouth is and isn't a flameing hippocrat like so many Republicans. Still Ron Paul is dead wrong on this.
Sometimes, I am so glad I live in the UK. First Class medical care, free at the point of need. Healthcare is like a lottery, we all pay in and hope we never win.
Germany has healthcare, its a civil right there, & they have some of the reforms that ron paul would agree with. Anything like a flat tax would promote the disparities in wealth found back in America in the guilded age. I can use some of Ron Paul's reforms but not when I retire.
If health care is a right, and therefore the government must provide it, and the citizens must pay for it, I'm just wondering where I should go for my government provided firearm.
For that matter, I will need food and water WAY before I need a medical care. Why don't we have Universal nutrition and hydration?
Of course Health Care is not a right. I'm a doctor. I have amassed a certain set of skills which are my intellectual property. Which one of you liberals is going lay claim to my property and declare you have a right to my services?
You can't win this argument. Should I be forced by law, I will simply withhold my property. Your "rights" shall not infringe upon mine.
No one is entitled to Health Care??? Ok Ron, I guess no one should be entitled to Police protection, Public School Education, Fire Protection, Military Protection, clean and safe drinkable water, safe roads, protection from un-scrupolous bankers....ect ect....being that our taxes pay those things as well...
@sandinista138 why do you need public school education, don't you just need an education? And shouldn't you pay yourself for it? Unclean and unsafe water is a crime, if for protection you intend that we should jail those who put the shit in it then yes. And No we do not have a right to fire protection or any "other thingy" protection.
@sandinista138 Beside that you dont seem to understand that when government interfere with market, the prices of goods always go up and the quality of services always goes down, because it creates a monopoly. So you will be paying doctors, medicines and whatever else much much more under a socialized health care system and you will be expecting much less quality.
Taiwan and Singapore has best medical care system in the world, 99% coverage, high quality, and they are government run. Learn from the Smart Chinese!!!
Do some research other than Canada and Brits. It's time to learn from the East. China a so Called communist country is now USA's Banker. LOL!
Do not equate the American government with the government of Singapore. The Singapore government is 1000% more efficient. They run the post office, the public transport, the hospitals, the seaport, the airport, the airline, etc ALL at a profit, not just small profit, but a big profit. They do that by commercialising them but are still major shareholders of them. The American government on the other hand run everything at a loss, not just a small loss, but a big loss.
Don't talk about 300 million. In the US, even just 1 state, 1 city, the government suck big time. Try walking into the Department of Motor Vehicles, the local post office, etc and see the way the staff work. Of course not all of them are bad, but in general they suck. 100 times worst than any sg civil service department.
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Charlie12241 4 days ago
i earn 7.25/hr.........if any thing happens to me today will i been able to afford health care?
flowbaba 5 days ago
In my opinion healthcare is a right. Poor people have to exist for the rich to be rich. If they are stuck being poor, they at least deserve healthcare. I'm not talking about the homeless but the people who take out our trash, clean our hospitals, fix electrical or plumbing problems, remodel old buildings, etc etc
aboutface102 1 week ago
People need the same health care, as the people thay elect ? price rate and rules.......
stringlov 1 week ago 2
Paid for by every single god damn insurance company.
masterdaddy0 2 weeks ago
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every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
dav047 2 weeks ago
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every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
dav047 2 weeks ago
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
dav047 2 weeks ago
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every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
dav047 2 weeks ago
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every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
dav047 2 weeks ago
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
dav047 2 weeks ago
every person in australia has the right to medical care. as in (i believe) france, germany (since 1883 or so), canada, all scandinavian nations, all of the United Kingdom, Italy and virtually every first world country in the world.
the US has its peers in.. not mexico.. not kuwait or bahrain, but third world african nations. on top of this the US consistently under-performs compared to nations that have universal healthcare.
by all means pay more - get less. with less meaning life expectancy
dav047 2 weeks ago
Socialism leads to more regulations and higher taxes which make us consumers pay more.
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MarvenTv 3 weeks ago
the legal dictionary states: right - an abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature; "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
Healthcare is not abstract like the freedom of speech or the right to property. it is a physical good and service provided through labor of a licensed, educated worker who provides it of his/her own will. governments can pay for healthcare but they cannot designate them as rights.
Ravengaurd6 4 weeks ago
@Ravengaurd6 A legal dictionary does not carry the authority that you assume it does and again I ..NOTICE I am talking about a human right which transcends legalities in the first place , To your latter point ,,,Switzerland , Germany , England , France , Belgium , the Netherlands , disagree with you ,, They all seem to believe that healthcare is a right ,,,
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran that's the right to get healthcare.the right to get healthcare is separate still from healthcare in and of itself,which is a product of labor that requires training, funding and licensing.
If a government is UNABLE to provide healthcare for it's citizens(due to debts or what have you), does that mean it is violating their rights?
Ravengaurd6 4 weeks ago
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Most people, when asked about the individual tenants of the affordable healthcare act (AKA Obamacare) people agree that they're good things. Like, preventing insurance companies from ditching paying members when they get sick or healthcare industry reform, spending control, repeal of insurance companies' exemption from anti-trust laws etc. Unfortunately most people have been misled and lied to about Obamacare. Search Wiki for this act, you'll see. It's sensible reform.
zzsql 1 month ago
He is completely right on almost everything. If you can't afford healthcare or education then just borrow the money. Think deeply and you'll slowly understand
unhealthycarrot 1 month ago
What's the problem? If cost of the healthcare is the problem then why don't the goverment limited the cost or depend on salary on bank? I personally think healthcare is important to let the poor nor rich to have benefit to be hospitalized or to prevent the future disease (ex. flu).
seand1234 1 month ago
@seand1234 price controls cause shortages and mismanagement of resources through bad signaling. that's microeconomics 101
Ravengaurd6 1 month ago
@Ravengaurd6 I'm pretty young to know what microeconomics is but if shortage of resources is problem then why don't we equal the resources in for rich,middle and poor.Mismanagement would be organized by pharmacists or other new job to calculate the payment depend people's salary. Im not smart but this is my perspective for solution.
seand1234 4 weeks ago
@seand1234 The preoblem with controlling prices is that you cannot control consumers. consumer make their decisions based on prices, so prices should at the most be directed to reflect the most efficient means of producing and allocating the goods. the consumers will over-consume a product that is overpriced and the revenue will not be strong enough to maintain production of the good, so the producers will cut down on it. but prices are pretty high in pharmaceuticals so maybe some cap
Ravengaurd6 4 weeks ago
@Ravengaurd6 I just want healthcare that can provide a people more often go to hospital without any struggle of money for the most and I think healthcare should provide privilege medical care on costumer(people) health to prevent cancer or symptoms may come by. Payment for healthcare should be depend on wages and age are important. If you have more money then pay more if you have less money then pay less. Its not average or poor people have the most money but the rich people.
seand1234 4 weeks ago
@seand1234 I think that's awesome. we should work towards a system where healthcare is easily attainable. the first thing we need to do is handle the problem of scarcity. ie. WE NEED MORE DOCTORS...AND MORE HOSPITALS. once we provide the country with more of each, the care will be more accessible, as specific fields expand wages will fall for doctors and lower the cost of that labor. the biggest issue we can fix right off the bat is expansion of the most basic care.
Ravengaurd6 4 weeks ago
@Ravengaurd6 Your RIGHT doctor would've lost some money even though if healthcare were taken care by government LIKE taxes. Collecting money from riches and use as medically portion is it that hard? And I guess other country are suffering with lack of doctors and hospitals.
seand1234 4 weeks ago
@seand1234 well that and tremendous debt built up by government over extensions. that's debt that the people will be forced to pay through austerity cuts and higher taxes which will wreck their markets for years. that's why lowering cost and expanding the market is the most important thing to do. something that works by promoting competition growth and access to the healthcare field. no point in providing something if it'll bankrupt you.
Ravengaurd6 4 weeks ago
@Ravengaurd6 Like I said "taken care" doesn't mean paying from government for healthcare, But paying by riches. Then riches would have problem paying for taxes+healthcare. Then lower the cost of the medicine and treatment from the doctor or pharmacists. Personally the cost of medicine or therapy are too much for me.
seand1234 4 weeks ago
@seand1234 the costs are so high because the companies that provide it coopt laws and regulations that push out competition so that the people won't have alternatives.
Ravengaurd6 4 weeks ago
@Ravengaurd6 thats why we need to limit the cost that matches with other country.
Co-opt laws and regulations leading the benefit to doctors and riches then average consumer.Competition are just an excuse to avoid the control from government and losing there rich costumer.
seand1234 4 weeks ago
If a U.S citizen pays taxes, then yes, healthcare is a right. Ron Paul loses my respect more and more as I look further into his views.
DarkosApprentice 1 month ago
@DarkosApprentice the problem with health care not being a right is the fact that it is a product of labor not something naturally in possession of an individual. it's not so simple as the taxes you pay since taxes are currently an involuntary process and the operation of a nationalized healthcare system is not authorized by the Constitution and and can be easily corrupted as has been already pointed out.Not to mention as the current govt continues to spend it slaves us to debt
Ravengaurd6 1 month ago
only thing I disagree with about Paul....you cant be for helping minorities etc...then say die if you cant afford healthcare
geelow4321 1 month ago
@geelow4321 - I understand it seems counter-intuitive, but Dr. Paul understands very well both economics & medicine. He doesn't advocate letting poor people die. He knows that government intervention in the healthcare industry is what caused the prices to go up so dramatically and that by getting gov out, competition will drive prices down & over time, prices will continue to fall and poor people will be able to access MORE healthcare. Government = higher prices /watch?v=3WnS96NVlMI
Silver4Liberty 1 month ago
@geelow4321 he's not saying die. did you watch the video? he simply stated that the reason healthcare has risen so sharply is because of government intervention in healthcare. he wants the return to a system where health care would be easier to obtain with out enslaving the citizens to debt or forcing people to fill the pockets of medical corporations.
Ravengaurd6 1 month ago
your wrong paul, once again
MegaLink117 1 month ago
healthcare for all is a right not a luxury and someday we will have it ,,
authorandrewcothran 1 month ago
@authorandrewcothran define a right.
Ravengaurd6 1 month ago
@Ravengaurd6 An entitlement ..I believe i am entitled to health care because i am a human being .. it is my right ...and yours as well ..
authorandrewcothran 1 month ago
@authorandrewcothran that is not the definition of a right. A legal and constitutional right is a specific liberty or property that you possess as a human being. therefore you have a right to your life, to the property you have acquired and to your liberty. you cannot and do not have a right to another persons property,life or liberty. healthcare is goods and labor provided by other human beings. believing you have a born right to peoples labor is technically enslavement.
Ravengaurd6 1 month ago
@Ravengaurd6 I have a right to optimum health care ,,which sustains and improves my life .This is my right as a human being which by the way trumps your opinion s
authorandrewcothran 1 month ago
@authorandrewcothran you have a right to obtain it but you have no right to force people to give it to you. that's not my opinion. that's the nature of law in regards to human rights in obtaining goods or services.
Ravengaurd6 1 month ago
@Ravengaurd6 You are batting in left field here ,,We are not talking about forcing anyone to do anything except what our government forces us to do already which is pay taxes ,,You like so many people who see health care as a commodity fail to understand that those who believe they have a right to it are not proposing that they have no responsibility to pay for it .. Also we are not talking about seizing private property ..we are talking about taxation which is the norm ..
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@Ravengaurd6 Also ..You are not in a position to define or interpret anything for any one else .. At the end of the day if the majority wishes to create a system that will provide health care for all its citizens then it will happen .. When that day comes this same argument with be going on as to right and responsibility ..
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran that's not the definition I give that's the legal definition of a right under the constitution and within the law. The country is a constitutional republic and it can only become a right if the constitution is amended.the is no political body is pushing to make health care a right, the only bulls moved forward were mandatory insurance and government insurance not healthcare. so the cost will stay the same and the nation will go bankrupt.
Ravengaurd6 4 weeks ago
@Ravengaurd6 What is your source ? Show me a reputable source that states exactly what you have stated in regards to what defines a right according to our constitution ? Actually a human right is not established by the Constitution ,, and that is what i am talking about ..A human right .. We have the right to health care simply because we are human .
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran Rights are not granted by government. They are recognised and preserved by government. Your born with your rights. You do not have a right to have the government steal from others to pay for your healthcare, food, house etc. That would be a government granted privilage throught the theft of the rights of others. You have the right to pursue goods and services like healthcare. You have absolutly no right to get it through the labor of others.
LexNaturalis1982 4 weeks ago
@LexNaturalis1982 You are welcomed to your opinion but i have not once said that i would steal anything from anyone ,,But do i have a right to health care even at tax payers expense ? Yes ..I do ..
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran whether you steal from me for your own benefit or you get the government to steal from me for your benefit, it is still a violation of my rights and liberties to premote an undue privilage for yourself.
LexNaturalis1982 4 weeks ago
@LexNaturalis1982 Actually it is not .. You are forgetting about Freedom of speech ,,If i were a comunist who disagress with you and who promotes a system that destroys your rights to liberty ,,and yet i did not in reality try to slander you or physically take away your rights it would still be my right to promote exactly what i wish ,, In reality that isn't the case ..i respect your right to your opinions but i have the right to promote my own ..
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@LexNaturalis1982 Using your own logic ..you should be denied police protection , You have no right to be protected because you are doing so at least in part because of the collective labors of thousands ,, Do you agree ? We also don't have the right to military defense , paved roads , public schools ,,ect ,,You have benefited from the labors of others all of your life ,,so it is a bit short sighted of you to make this argument .
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran Police and the military are a part of the essential necessities of government to ensure that there is a course of action if there is anyone who attempts to violate your rights. Sense no one disputes this and sense the police are implemented in providing for the general, not specific, welfare, everyone pays for a service that that everyone beneifits from in the form of maximum liberty with minimal tyranny. You didnt know this?
LexNaturalis1982 4 weeks ago
Lex ...You cannot divide general and specific welfare with any sense of coherence .Individual welfare taken collectively institutes general welfare . Its like saying that the government is an entity that exists for the people but not for the benefit of the individual citizen . I argue that health care is essential to government because for the most part it is essential to life ,,,Life Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness ,
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran To take from one class of citizens to give to another class of citizens for political support is a corruption of the process. You dont have a right to my labor.I am not a slave to those who want me to labor on their behalf with no gain for myself.A service granted by government is not a right but a privilage at anothers expense.Especially if your a part of the 49%that dont pay taxes, yet expect 51%to pay for you. "pursuit" is not "guarentee"! Rights cannot be granted by gvt.
LexNaturalis1982 4 weeks ago
@LexNaturalis1982 oh wait a minute ..i did not say anything about clases here . The rich , the poor , the middle class , whoever deserves the best healthcare on the planet ,In fact money should not be the first concern when any treatment is rendered ,
Legally governments do grant this right to citizens all around the world .because they see this as a human right first and it is .We will have to agree to disagree it seems .
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran If you want to understand where we differ look up "negative liberty vs. positive liberty: on youtube. In any case, government cannot grant a right. It can only recognise our self evident inaleinable rights and defend them against theft such as the ontheft your advocating. You would have me work with no benefit to myself to pay for those who cannot work for their own healthcare. Thats part time slavery my friend where no rights exist.
LexNaturalis1982 4 weeks ago
@LexNaturalis1982 Happy New Year and I wish you all the best and if i have offened you or spoke harshly to you forgive me ,,
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran No one has the right to live thier lives without being offended. Although, it is impossible to offend me by the written word. Those who appeal to emotion get offended.Those who appeal to fact are never offended because 1.theyre right, or 2.theyre wrong and happy to have discovered the truth.The British are perhaps the best at this as well.I find that pissing off a brit only ends up in a stoic demeanor & a whitty obscure comback to which most dont know theyre being insulted.
LexNaturalis1982 4 weeks ago
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authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@LexNaturalis1982 i apologize for my last response to you .itwas childish and wrong and i have removed the comment though you should get a copy in your inbox .
All i am going to say here is that you are entitled to your own opinions about health care , taking offense , emotions or whatever ,,I really don't care ,,May God bless you ..have a happy new year ..Goodbye .
authorandrewcothran 4 weeks ago
@authorandrewcothran I dont know what your talking about. I wasent offended by anything you said. Happy New Years all the same. God bless.
LexNaturalis1982 4 weeks ago
@LexNaturalis1982
Well explain this one. As a taxpayer I contribute to Road repairs, police and fire protection, public education, Libraries, and yes--when someone is rushed to the emergency room and cannot pay, yes we the taxpayers still pay for their medical care.
So I think you missed the point pal, the reality is yes people are already spomgoing off your hard labor and have been doing thios for quite some time. This is nothing new to any of us. If you don't like it than leave.
pluto4847 3 hours ago
@LexNaturalis1982
Ok so lets say nobody has a right to the labor that you put forward. Very well. Lets do this instead. Lets abolish all Government intervention.
If you become a victim of a crime, you pay the police dept to file charges on your behalf.
Lets abolish all public libraries and make them into book stores. You purchase or rent the books with your own income.
Lets abolish volunteer fire dept and make them into corporate entities.
pluto4847 3 hours ago
@LexNaturalis1982
Continued, and as far as your kids are concern. Why should we pay to have your children go to public school?
Pay for it yourself.
You see you cannot discredit healthcare as right, and promote all other public services as right.
If you want to keep all of your money to yourself, well you'll just have to fil;l in your own pot holes with cement, or pay someone else to do it for you.
Imagine what life would be like if we didn't pay taxes at all.
pluto4847 3 hours ago
If one-size-fits-all, top-down-federal-government-control of education didn't work (it hasn't), then why would we expect it to work for health care? One giant, slow-moving federal bureaucracy will not solve our health care (or education) problems better than 50 smaller, but faster moving state bureaucracies. This would give the people choices by moving, rather than having Obamacare shoved down their threats.
BloodofPatriots 1 month ago
We should just give all the power back to the states and allow them deal with internal affairs. If a state wants socialized w/e, go for it. If a state wants more privatization, go for it. Let the Fed serve the sole purpose of protecting the country from foreign invasions. Kokocipher 2016
kokocipher 1 month ago
& just to add to my last two comments, he is against the government profiting from the people by pharmisutical companies (a mass multi-billion dollar business, one of the biggest federal bonus's schemes), & HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN EQUAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
DavinaFaerie 1 month ago
This is an absolutely incorrect interpretation, also the title of this video is most definitely inaccurate...
Please listen to what he is saying & don't just pick out certain words.
He is against government creating limitations on peoples healthcare as there should never be a price & everyone should be treated qually.
How the hell do you guys see that he is saying he's against non-equal healthcare?
You are just picking out certain words & misinterpreting to the extreme. Unbelievable!
DavinaFaerie 1 month ago
I am absolutely astounded that people think Ron Paul is actually against "free" healthcare, are people this stupid?
He is against the healthcare system as it is run NOW by the Government, i.e, Americans having to pay for health care.
He is saying that Government should not interfere & create such limitations.
Wow, it blows me away that people are picking out certain words they think he is talking about yet failing to see what he is actually talking about.
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ashwadhwani 1 month ago
Oh thank God for the NHS!
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
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Archangel02291989 2 months ago
Anything that places a burden on your fellow American is not a right.
ilazernerd 2 months ago
Ron paul never took medicare or medicad because he took whatever his patients could afford to pay him.he didnt give less treatment or more treatment based on someones ability to pay.he worked in catholic hospitals for 3.30 an hour HELPING people.he wants people to have freedom to chose whats best for the individual not the government
deadkornbread 2 months ago
@deadkornbread I wish more doctors were like him.
LiveFreeOrDie1985 2 months ago
Ron paul is a doctor and a good one at that.who else would better understand health care and the disaster it has become..ron paul 2012
deadkornbread 2 months ago
Ron paul a racist?i laugh at that.medical care is not a right.we have many people in this country who have a belief of "entitlement".just think of all those on welfare who get their health care paid for who then get a huge refund check simply for having 50 kids.im single work hard and have no health care because my employers is too costly but i have never asked the government to give me health insurance nor do i think im entitled to it.welfare should go to veterans.elderly and disabled
deadkornbread 2 months ago
@deadkornbread
having 50 kids...lol
there is a cap for the child credit at 2. arent these people on welfare...a refund means they have a job and take deduction.
i dont have children, but i can afford health care, children cost a lot more then any refund check ive seen.
ZhugeNaut 2 months ago
You know, I lived in South Korea a while back, and the healthcare there was cheaper, more efficient, and was the same quality, if not better than the quality of private American health care. Hell, I was treated for elective services that I would have forgone in the US due to high costs.
In a 100% private system, You get an industrial revolution market with downsides - Standard of living drops, healthcare is limited to the wealthy, and the middle class dies, increasing the disparity of wealth.
IMAGIMATIONanimation 2 months ago
I like Ron Paul, for the record. I think he's the one of the politicians who have your nation's people at heart. He engages in political dialogue relevant to addressing American grievances. There are definitely at least some platforms of his that will solve major problems, even if he errs in some places. In any case, if he gets more attention, American political dialogue might start going the way it should, rather than the way corporations expect. I hope he gets the Republican nomination.
s0cietysreject 2 months ago
Just a not from a Canadian who benefits from universal health care, we are allowed to choose our method of treatment, provided that it's funded by our system. Our system funds the treatments that work. Alternative medicine has its own private sector, so if you want that, it's not covered, but most of that shit never works anyways, so it's no great loss. There are cases where people are turned away unjustly as hypochondriacs, but apparently that happens in America too, so that's not unique.
s0cietysreject 2 months ago
I honestly don't understand how Ron Paul is convinced that fully socialized healthcare would be costlier to people than free market care with insurance. Companies seek profit, governments don't. The system of subsidies may well be costlier than a system without them, but I think fully socialized healthcare could not possibly more expensive than healthcare provided for a profit. That tax credit idea is an interesting one, though. That's a little bit like socialized healthcare, actually.
s0cietysreject 3 months ago
@s0cietysreject Haha, Governments don't seek profit? Since when? I can't speak on behalf of all governments, for I have lived inside the US all my life(20 yrs), but the US government DEFINITELY seeks and maintains profit all the time. One of course could make the argument that the US is run by companies; in that sense I agree with your argument, and that true governments do not seek profits.
I also agree with your comment about tax credit. Farewell!
YcantWeAllGetAbong 2 months ago
@YcantWeAllGetAbong Well, the politicians may seek a profit, but that is not through legal outfits. The point of a government treasury is not to turn a profit, it is to fund government programs. To some extent certain programs may result in profit for certain people, but that's a matter of corruption, not government turning a profit. The whole point ideally is to have programs to benefit people, social healthcare would be one such program. I absolutely understand the skepticism about government.
s0cietysreject 2 months ago
@s0cietysreject
The free market is always cheaper than govt......
VapidButchery 2 months ago
@simpleburn Also, I agree that's why we have amendments. Then if they want to make us pay for health care they need to amend it. But they haven't done that yet, have they?
kingcobra5352 6 months ago
@simpleburn Jesus would believe in Universal Health Care? Really? At the tip of a Roman spear?
kingcobra5352 6 months ago
Jesus would believe in universal health care.
simpleburn 6 months ago
@simpleburn That's like saying Jesus believes in stealing, as long as it benefits your health.
jneil2007 3 months ago
Even though I agree that everyone should have healthcare, I don't care what Jesus thinks. I don't believe in the Bible. Jesus' opinion is totally irrelevant.
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
Health Care is a right? I guess I missed where it said that in the Constitution.
kingcobra5352 6 months ago
@kingcobra5352 that's why we have amendments.
simpleburn 6 months ago
If the government had the idea of instituting socialized health CARE. That would not be such a bad idea. But that is not what the rebuplicratic socialist are trying to force on us. They want to enslave us to the health INSURANCE companies, by institutionalizing socialized health COVERAGE. The free market answer is to, stop paying insurance companies, and transfer all the wealth that they waste directly to the hospitals and doctors. think about how much health CARE would cost then. RonPaul2012
x6mj 7 months ago
@x6mj
The free market answer is to get government out of healthcare. We don't know what will happen if we do that, but we know it will be better than this mess.
Scoforever 7 months ago
@Scoforever I know what will happen. The doctors and hospitals will have to compete directly, will simultaneously increases quality and lowers prices.
Rensune 3 months ago
Uh, what about people who can't afford health insurance in a free market?
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
@Edgehead10075 He also made it a point to say that it should be cheaper and the debasement of our money is part of the problem. Watch it again and control your temper until the end.
thedude1347 3 months ago
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Okay, but until we take care of that problem, why can't we help those who can't afford health insurance?
Edgehead10075 3 months ago
@Scoforever Mate, let me tell you something - the National Health Service in the UK is a great system.
Yes, it is a socialised system, and yes, it costs a collosal amount (over 10% of UK GDP) - but I would never change it. The care is quality, universal, unlimited and free - and saves workers from being at the mercy of their employers or their insurers.
It was founded by the socialists Attlee and Bevan after WW2, but it has survived every government, right or left, since.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
@BasilFawlty4444 That's great for you! However the United States has a constitution protecting freedom and liberty. If we were to adopt a universal healthcare system, we'd turn our backs to the principles that make our country great. Agreed, our healthcare system has a lot of problems. But it's not because we don't have a universal healthcare system, it's because our gov.'s corporate medicine is corrupting prices. We need a system that sticks to our principles and gets out of this mess. RP!
diehardzeppelinfan 1 month ago
@diehardzeppelinfan
It is idiocy to suggest that having a socialised medical system in anyway damages liberty and freedom. Britain INVENTED these modern concepts!
There is nothing forcing anyone to use the system, and the current American system is a complete affront to liberty - it is nothing short of plutocracy!
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
@BasilFawlty4444 There's nothing forcing anyone to use the system? Then who the hell's paying for it? A government has nothing. A government depends on the people's taxes to make capital and pay for things.
The problem is that the government feels like it must take care of everyone. It feels that people are worthless w/o a gov and people are incapable of taking care of themselves. Courts, police, and defense is all the gov is made for. Socialized medicine only makes us slaves to our governments
diehardzeppelinfan 1 month ago
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@diehardzeppelinfan As opposed to private medicine, which makes Americans slaves to their employers or insurers. The difference is, we can punish and control our governments in elections.
Your statement "goverment...feels that people are worthless...and incapable of taking care of themselves" - is most indefensible assertion I've heard all year.
Average tax brackets in the UK are near identical to those in the US. Surely we pay taxes FOR public services!
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
@diehardzeppelinfan Once the Government becomes so powerful that they control your HealthCare system, education, food, housing, and retirement, they can use that to stay in power for centuries to come.
kokocipher 1 month ago
@kokocipher That is an incredibly stupid assertion.
The British Labour govenment of Attlee (1954-51) presided over the creation of the National Health Service and the Welfare State in the UK.
Are they still in power? - NO (which invalidates your argument). Labour were defeated in the 1951 British General Election mainly due to major divisions and disunity in the party, brought about by a political squabble over Britain's involvement in the Korean War.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
@BasilFawlty4444 summarize what you think I said in my comment.
kokocipher 1 month ago
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@kokocipher These were your exact words:
"Once the Government becomes so powerful that they control your HealthCare system, education, food, housing, and retirement, they can use that to stay in power for centuries to come."
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
@kokocipher
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BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
Only the rich deserve healthcare. Sick of poor people trying to stay alive with medicine. Fuck em. They should all suffer and die. Nothing is a right. The winner takes all. I cant wait until corporations enslave me rather than the evil govt.
damnedcarrot 7 months ago
@damnedcarrot
It's always good to characterize people who disagree with you as fascists and to set up straw men. If you think people are going to let you get away with it...you're probably right.
Scoforever 7 months ago 8
@Scoforever
Are you telling me that the libertarians believe otherwise? Libertarians believe that people only deserve the fruit of their work. Those who are disabled, and are unable to contribute as much as other people, or those who are mentally incapable deserve no additional support or accomadations. Libertarians believe in a dog eat dog system, and are 100% pro business. I would say that damnedcarrot's analysis on libertarians is correct.
IMAGIMATIONanimation 2 months ago
RON PAUL ,HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT CHILDREN DYING FROM
AIDS IN AFRICA OR WOMEN BEING STONED IN IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN?
HE IS NOT HUMAN, PSYCHOS HAVE NO EMPATHY TO OTHERS, MOST OF THEM WANT TO BE GOD AND
THEY ARE NARCISSISTIC!
democratsaresmart 8 months ago
@democratsaresmart MY CAPS ARE SO LOUD SO I MUST BE RIGHT
iameiame 6 months ago 7
BE AWARE : "Ron Paul is an Oldschool Racist and a Free mason ..." -> google it
Nittavosev 8 months ago
Did the millions of Russians that starved to death under Lenin and Stalin have 'the right' to not starve to death? Probably; but because they believed in that right, they starved to death.
guyjohn59 8 months ago
Public healthcare is right in a true democracy. But he is right, in a plutocracy it isn't. USA is a plutocracy so he is right. Americans should fight for a true democracy but with your fucking Tea Party you are fighting to go further in the plutocracy... try to find logic in that ???
NancyFrQC 8 months ago
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NancyFrQC 8 months ago
Well, it's not a separate tax so you can't really remove it. You simply do your income taxes as you always do but when you need medical help, you get it taken care of and don't have to pay anything or not much. It's not an accident that the US is the only industrialized country that doesn't have this system. It works. This isn't a case where the US knows better than other countries, it's an example of them lagging behind.
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963
Ah, a non-answer. I'm glad that you're able to turn a blind eye to extortion.
Scoforever 8 months ago
@Scoforever, a non-answer? I just gave you the answer unless you can't read. If that's extortion then using taxes to build roads, hire teachers, policemen and firemen is also extortion. Bottom line is, do you want to pay more or less for your healthcare? The US system is, by far, the most expensive per capita while not fully covering you. You can spin it any way you like but if you want to defend the US system then give me some facts to bolster your case.
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963
"roads, hire teachers, policemen and firemen"
As for police, I am not sure whether they could be provided on a voluntary basis. Without police, there would be a great amount more crime, therefore it is not inconsistent for someone advocating against the use of force to support state police. If you can show why other services can't be provided voluntarily, go ahead.
"Bottom line is, do you want to pay more or less for your healthcare"
Watch Shanedk's videos on healthcare.
Scoforever 8 months ago
@Scoforever, your Shanedk has 217 videos. Could you be a little bit more precise? That being said, it doesn't really matter what he says because if it relates to cost, I have the stats at hand to make my point. I recommend you get informed from credible sources instead of making reference to some dude who decides to give his opinion on Youtube. BTW, what do you mean by voluntary basis? Are you saying they wouldn't get paid and just volunteer to be policemen?
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963
You can search for health on Shanedk's uploads. And no, I don't simply repeat everything that Shane says without doing any research.
By voluntary, I mean that nobody threatens to initiate force or initiates force in order to provide the service. I do not advocate voluntary police, because I have not been convinced that it is feasible and I don't think that it is a very important issue in this day.
Scoforever 8 months ago
@Scoforever , "threatens to initiate or initiates force" to give you cost effective healthcare. Yes, you definitely sound brainwashed and not like someone speaking rationally with facts. You're just a parrot repeating sound bites, not a thinker. Healthcare in the US is ranked 37th in the world by the World Health Organization. The US cost per capita in 2007 was more than $7,200, way more than any other country.
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963, furthermore, the US has an infant mortality rate that is higher and life expectancy that is lower than most industrialized countries that have universal healthcare at a lower cost. So if you have any stats to counter what I said I'd be happy to see them, but just don't reply with silly opinions that aren't supported by facts.
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963 Citing mortality rates is immaterial, since Americans live more dangerous lives. Also, many of the infant mortalities in this country would be classified as "miscarriage" in Europe. It's all statistics manipulation.
Healthcare is unfortunately expensive in this country, and conservatives and libertarians want to fix that. The costs of healthcare are substantially increased by government interference.
shamgar001 8 months ago
@trader1963
What happens if you don't pay taxes?
Anyway, I'm not advocating the American system. That's just a straw man. I support free market healthcare.
Scoforever 8 months ago
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trader1963 8 months ago
I like when people make arguments that make no sense whatsoever. Paul's 1st point is: "No one has the right to medical care. If someone assumes such a right it endorses the notion that some individuals have the right to someone else's life and property". Someone, please tell me in a logical way how in the world having universal healhcare gives you the right over someone else's life and property? Really Ron? Really? Please take the time to explain how that happens....
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963
How do you pay for the universal healthcare?
Scoforever 8 months ago
@Scoforever, easy, you do like every other place that has Universal Healthcare (like Canada where I'm originally from), you pay it with taxes. Now I know you'll probably freak out because I used the "T" word but hear me out. With a non-profit system the extra taxes you would pay would still be less than your healthcare premiums, except that you have the advantage that it covers everyone, has no spending ceiling, no deductibles, or co-pays.
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963
What if you don't want to pay the taxes?
Scoforever 8 months ago
@trader1963 Because if someone's healthcare is to be provided as a right, then someone else must be forced to provide it. In the case of government healthcare, citizens are forced to pay for the healthcare by means of mandatory taxes. In this way, everyone is sacrificed to everyone. Everyone (who works) is forced to pay for everyone's healthcare, even if some individuals don't require healthcare.
jonathanaconway 8 months ago
@jonathanaconway, let's see now, someone who works is forced to pool their money with others to pay for medical help for everyone, even if they don't use it themselves. Hmmm, pretty much sounds like the FOUNDATION OF EVERY INSURANCE PLAN I KNOW. I do grant you that there is one major difference: healthcare delivered this way costs much less. How is that any different than car insurance for instance where you need to get insurance even if you don't get into an accident?
trader1963 8 months ago
@trader1963 There's a very simple distinction: people are forced to pay taxes. They are not forced to buy insurance.
jonathanaconway 8 months ago
Damn Ron, you lost me.
nostalgiamonger 9 months ago
Just keep letting the Truth rain down, Ron Paul!! :)
GTarcisius006 9 months ago
@ muratshawn "I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." I don't care about how Europeans look at us, if you do, go live there. The government should NOT take care of our citizens, we have to take care of ourselves. When you mean government you really mean producers pay for it. Healthcare is a service not a right and it must be paid for. No matter how much you want, you can't get something for nothing.
nyjm4 10 months ago
HEALTH CARE IS HUMAN RIGHT!!!!!!
Why is it that everybody in USA has a right to get a gun and kill or to get a driver licence and not MEDICAL CARE????
f... off US laws!!
MrsVegascrush 11 months ago
@MrsVegascrush
You have the right to healthcare in the same way that you have a right to free speech. You should be free to get it but your right stops when the right to property begins. You have no right to threaten to shoot someone to pay for your healthcare or the healthcare of others. That's all taxation is, the threat to shoot someone if they don't pay.
Scoforever 11 months ago
@MrsVegascrush Healthcare is not a human right in the sense that you cannot assume that when you get sick someone else will cover you, as to protect your human rights. Of course you have the right to receive heathcare if you pay, but you cannot just assume that it is automatically a right that someone else will provide for you
Tracywithafacey 9 months ago
America should focus on health care. It's amazing to see a country like America focus so much money on war, then when faced with the prospect of instead spending that money on its citizens' health -- that's communism! And anyone who suggests it hates America, and freedom... and possibly wants the terrorists to win.
Look at the Denmark for example - Government-funded universal health care, and we're not in economic ruin. We have not turned into communists, either. Suck it, Ron Paul.
EikC 9 months ago
@MrsVegascrush who will pay for it?
marshall2411 9 months ago
All he is saying is if people want a certain treatment ... because THEY beleive it will help.... let them... its their life... if any wrong doings occur you have the law to fall back on. Whats so hard... after 20 yrs old i was on my own.. i got out of the rule of my parents... now that im on my own.... i have a nanny/big brother to deal with... i thought i was an adult? Let people do what they want with their bodies.
ORACLE063 1 year ago
Ron Paul is 100% correct! Health Care is NOT a right. It is a service that must be purchased. As much as we want it, you can't get something for nothing. A right is speech, religion, assembly, due process, things like that, not services. Food is more important that health care, is food a right? Should the government feed all of America? What about clothing? The answer is of course not. Now, we must do things to make health care affordable, like tort reform and increasing competition.
nyjm4 1 year ago
@nyjm4
what a shame, no wonder the rest of the europeans see us as stupid and brainless......they laugh at us " look at the americans,the country that claims to be one nation under god, but they do not even wanna take care of their own citizen,reality is,americans are selfish and pretend to be one nation under god" they believe health care is a privilege and only if u have the money u should be treated and cared for......what a society that is LOL....pathetic!!!!
muratshawn 11 months ago
I kinda like and truly respect Ron Paul. He puts his money where his mouth is and isn't a flameing hippocrat like so many Republicans. Still Ron Paul is dead wrong on this.
MWhaleK 1 year ago
Sometimes, I am so glad I live in the UK. First Class medical care, free at the point of need. Healthcare is like a lottery, we all pay in and hope we never win.
RuudVanDrijver 1 year ago
No income tax > fair tax > current income tax
Ron Paul '12
TheGoalSetter 1 year ago
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noyouaintgettingit 1 year ago
But is having a gun put to your head by crooked health insurance cartels a right too?
theredraven 1 year ago
People need a car to get healthcare right?
Free cars!
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
Germany has healthcare, its a civil right there, & they have some of the reforms that ron paul would agree with. Anything like a flat tax would promote the disparities in wealth found back in America in the guilded age. I can use some of Ron Paul's reforms but not when I retire.
thefredsays 1 year ago
@thefredsays Too bad you can't set up your own retirement huh? Too bad germany is actually shrinking in population........no need to wander why.
d1incharge 1 year ago
@d1incharge Germany must get over its xenophobia and start letting immigrants in. Sadly they aren't.
thefredsays 1 year ago
lets see him go with out healthcare. what a selfish prick.
jmweber1981 1 year ago
@jmweber1981 That not what he's even arguing you dimwit.
RJhasFLOW 1 year ago
If health care is a right, and therefore the government must provide it, and the citizens must pay for it, I'm just wondering where I should go for my government provided firearm.
For that matter, I will need food and water WAY before I need a medical care. Why don't we have Universal nutrition and hydration?
klim8hokes 1 year ago
way to kick a hole in healthcare..i like your logical progression...make them think..if they can
chrycohauler 1 year ago
Of course Health Care is not a right. I'm a doctor. I have amassed a certain set of skills which are my intellectual property. Which one of you liberals is going lay claim to my property and declare you have a right to my services?
You can't win this argument. Should I be forced by law, I will simply withhold my property. Your "rights" shall not infringe upon mine.
klim8hokes 1 year ago 2
No one is entitled to Health Care??? Ok Ron, I guess no one should be entitled to Police protection, Public School Education, Fire Protection, Military Protection, clean and safe drinkable water, safe roads, protection from un-scrupolous bankers....ect ect....being that our taxes pay those things as well...
sandinista138 1 year ago
@sandinista138 why do you need public school education, don't you just need an education? And shouldn't you pay yourself for it? Unclean and unsafe water is a crime, if for protection you intend that we should jail those who put the shit in it then yes. And No we do not have a right to fire protection or any "other thingy" protection.
fresniak 1 year ago
@sandinista138 Beside that you dont seem to understand that when government interfere with market, the prices of goods always go up and the quality of services always goes down, because it creates a monopoly. So you will be paying doctors, medicines and whatever else much much more under a socialized health care system and you will be expecting much less quality.
fresniak 1 year ago
Taiwan and Singapore has best medical care system in the world, 99% coverage, high quality, and they are government run. Learn from the Smart Chinese!!!
Do some research other than Canada and Brits. It's time to learn from the East. China a so Called communist country is now USA's Banker. LOL!
noformstyle 1 year ago
Do not equate the American government with the government of Singapore. The Singapore government is 1000% more efficient. They run the post office, the public transport, the hospitals, the seaport, the airport, the airline, etc ALL at a profit, not just small profit, but a big profit. They do that by commercialising them but are still major shareholders of them. The American government on the other hand run everything at a loss, not just a small loss, but a big loss.
bochap21 1 year ago
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mattlim76 1 year ago
Don't talk about 300 million. In the US, even just 1 state, 1 city, the government suck big time. Try walking into the Department of Motor Vehicles, the local post office, etc and see the way the staff work. Of course not all of them are bad, but in general they suck. 100 times worst than any sg civil service department.
bochap21 1 year ago