i feel like maybe archie moore modeled his style with armstrong in mind.i see similaritys.i can see a little dempsey in henry as well.these styles are emulated and passed on
Henry Armstrong is not a greatest fighter or a great boxer!!!! he always use his head, I think he is the leader of HEAD BANGERS........All his fights he used his head, I don't know why some boxing analyst they said that he is one of the greatest boxer of all time, for me He is the Greatest Head Bangers of all time
Its funny because sugar ray robinson, the greatest fighter of all times style reminds me of Ali with the flair, punches from no where and great chin and armstrong's style is similar to that of fraziers with the chin, head movement and swarming.
Barney was actually putting up a good fight against Armstrong, one of the greatest fighters of all time. Ross was trying to create distance using the jab, but Armstrong was having none of it. Ross was also taking big punches, and trying to return some himself. Amazing fight!
before its okay to fight and stand in front of your opponent placing your head to the shoulder like we see in the vid. but now boxers like pacman u can't absolutely do that putting ur head so open less guard because u will end up in hospital...u will really land in the canvass just like what happen to hatton slept in the canvass for quite sometime
@beefygoblin Long ago comment but I was curious: how has boxing "evolved greatly" since this fight took place? If there's been any sort of evolution, it's perhaps in some of the out-of-the-ring stuff like nutrition/diet, weight lifting, etc., but not too much in conventional training methods and style. Armstrong was a pressure fighter and a great one. He'd have been right at home against any boxer from any era. And he'd have eaten up a fighter like Pacquiao.
@GustavusAdolphus1 So then what you're saying is boxing has "devolved" instead of evolved? Because there's probably never been a better balanced fighter to enter the ring than Pep. Same with his footwork. RJJ's one of my fav' fighters but he was all reflex--and they might've been the fastest set of reflexes ever. But take a look at Juan Manuel Marquez, a beautiful fighter in the classic sense. He's an example of how boxing HASN'T changed. Yet he's undeniably a great fighter.
@Kedbuka God, no! I would never use words like "evolve" and "de-evolve". It's stupid semantics. Rather than delving into a complex discussion. I suggest simply looking at what Pep influenced. Then taken a look at Jones' work and connect the dots.
Martinez, IMO, is the best example of a "throw-back" fighter. Whitaker, a much better fighter than Jones, is very comparable to Pep. Byrd and Mayweather are others I'd favorably compare with the sport's greatest defensive fighters ever.
@GustavusAdolphus1 Your reference Pep and Jones is slightly obtuse...except maybe to you. I don't agree with your remark about Whitaker being a "much better fighter than Jones." I don't think any fighter ever was much better than Jones from a pure talent perspective. As for Martinez, you think more of him than I do, which is to say, not much. In any event, you're right, I don't want to get into a complex discussion. So long, dude.
@Kedbuka Whitaker was far superior to Jones from a technical stand-point. Jones was a great athlete, but nothing extraordinary. There have been a lot of Boxers on par with him. In more recent decades, however, other sports have sopped up more of the bigger men from the talent pool than Boxing has. So Jones enjoyed a tremendous breadth of talent over most the opposition.
@Kedbuka Pep made pure defensive Boxing commonplace. Men like Tunney, Loughran, Johnson and Gibbons certainly preceded him. However, Pep took it to a whole different level kinetically. Further, he defied the judges to score against fighters that might have been regarded as overly cautious. He popularized "hopping on the bike".
Look at Cerdan or Benitez for examples of more traditional defensive Boxing. Consider Hagler-Leonard a near clean-sweep for Hagler from a traditional judge's perspective.
@GustavusAdolphus1 With all the name dropping, you forgot to mention Benny Leonard. And Cerdan and Benitez? Dude...you seem to live in your own boxing world. Count me out.
Cerdan was not a defensive fighter at all. He swarmed. He didn't box against Zale. He moved around and then dove in to attack. He wasn't really good at slipping punches. He blocked pretty well, but Cerdan's game was offense not defense.
Ross has slow down a bit by the Armstrong fights, You can tell Ross lost a step in speed in the McLarin fights to the Armstrong fights. Not saying Ross was shot, but Ross lost a important part of his game plan in that fight.
Also Ross was in a lot of ring wars, it was bound to catch up to him. 80 fights.
If I were a manager, I'd never let my fighter fight Armstrong. He just relentlessly smothers a boxer. And he hits hard and often. Not a pretty fighter to watch unless you like in-fighting.
Boxing those days was so freaking amateuristic. Watching Henry Armstrong fighting is like watching the American 'dreamteam' basketball beating Costa Rica in the 1992 olympics.
You have to keep in mind that this was the end of Barney Rosses carrier, so this is like watching Tyson get the shit kicked out of him by Lennox Lewis in 2002...at which point Tyson was looking like an amateur.
Realy, the sport has changed very little...I mean other than the now rampent steroid abuse and the advent of loose hands styles (due to the influence of filipino martial arts and argueable other ones on boxing). Infact one could argue that pro boxers from that era trained much harder.
I don't want to argue that boxers of those era trained harder. I doubt it, but it's possible.
But to me it's hard to believe this is a welterweight matchup. It looks more like a heavyweight fight after the 10th round. The speed, ducking and clinching is just bad. Look how Barney Ross jabs, it's horrible.
No after watching this I must believe that a present day Ricky Hatton could've beaten them all. The sport must have evolved since. Even if it's just till the 50's or 60's.
I think they trained harder..They fought 15 rounds and some guys wouldn't get tired..You never hear of guys running in Army boots like Ali,Joe Louis,and Sugar Ray Robinson did for 1 thing..
You know who also does that legendary army boot running? The army. I'm sorry if it doesn't strike me as extreme. At the pace that these two fighters are going it isn't hard to believe that they weren't tired after 15 rounds. They look in the same shape as the marlboro man in his late 50's too.
A real athlete trains as hard as he can. And that's the limit. Guys those days often had jobs on the side. Nowadays they can train as often as possible. So spare me the sories about the old days.
So you think the heavyweights of today train harder than heavyweights of the past??If ya do,you must be watching a different sport..If a heavyweight tried to fight at the pace of Ali/Frazier 3,they'd be gased by 5 or 6 rounds..
Gased out by the third round??How did they throw so many more punches after that round??How were they able to take so many punches??By luck??hahaha..No,because they were both in amazing shape even though they were older and not what they used to be..
After watching this,you think Ricky Hatton could have beaten them all??I bet you didn't know that this was Barney's last fight and had already fought 80 fights before this..Know your facts before coming on and saying retarded comments like Ricky would beat all the guys back then..Barney would destroy all light welterweights of this era in his prime..Benny Leonard who was a lightweight would have whooped all the lightweights-welterweights easy..
Know your facts... Blablabla. I don't think that I'm not the one making stupid assumptions all the time. I knew this was Barney Ross' last fight and that he had a lot of fights before this. So please again don't use that bullshit against me.
'Barney' isn't the only one fighting here or is he? I see two fighters in that ring. Both with some crappy boxing in comparison with the champions of these days.
It only seems like a slow motion video because the fighters are really slow. I don't think the speed is that far off. It's just a little inconsistent.
But once again I must point out that it was the end of his carrier and not the highlight of it.
Also hell yes it has evolved, and you can thank escrima for that (a philipino martial art, and this video marks the evolution of it into boxing. Hence the trouncing).
Todays boxers do infact have better form, inpart thanks to the infusion of martial arts into the style (including fencing stances and footwork). Tyson could have beaten Mohamed Allie. Thats the pace it evolves.
But people don't have to tell me that nonsense about fighters being better in those days. It isn't true. You can obviously see that these fighters are not the same quality as fighters of today.
Same with a lot of other sports. A lot of the old school basketbal fans can't accept that the American dreamteam basketball players of 1992 are amateurs compared to those of 2008. Sorry Jordan.
Obviously you are very lost!! Mohamed Allie??I don't believe you are credible since it's hard to believe you actually watch boxing and think Muhammad Ali is spelled Mohamed Allie..I'm sure you'd agree with me..
I recommend reading the biography on Barney Ross. I never watched any of his fights but after reading about him it compelled me to get on youtube and see some of them., very interesting individual.
Armstrong looks like a very strong brawler, with power and stamina and a great chin. Also, fighters of that era weren't afraid to get hit. One observation, his hands since to be down all the time, which meant he didn't care for defense or have no respect for Ross KO power. Very strong fihgter at lightweight. All time great by all experts' accounts, but hard to tell by watching this particular fight.
Flashingswords, I enjoyed viewing your fight films of Armstrong. He certainly was the Greatest of all times. You are probably correct in mentioning that they didn't film all his Championship fights. The real fighter who 1st sent him to the hospital with a broken right hand, badly injured left and stitches over his eye was a skinny boxer named Davey Day. He was promised a rematch with Hank if he could get by Pedro Montanez a couple months after his match with Hank. Davey won by TKO. Ron
Fantastic fighter! Looked awkward but his constant swarming, stay on you style would eventually break down and tire any fighter, and the best thing is, he NEVER got tired.
No doubt Armstrong was ana animal, but there was really only a 7 lb. difference betw. the men, and more important than the weight differential was age and ring ware. This wasn't the best version or Ross, and though it took a truly great fighter in Armstrong (who was entering his best years here) to do what was done, this fight does Ross no justice.
@lazur1 Ross had already been through wars with McLarnin, Canzoneri and Garcia, among others. Overall, his career was filled with elite competition, while Armstrong largely feasted on bums.
Foreman lost to Ali when they were in their prime, but would become a World Champ 20 years later. At that point, Ali wouldn't have even gotten clearance to fight an exhibition, let alone last 3 minutes against a professional. Different careers age men differently.
armstrong looks brilliant,balance power speed.
dempsey981 1 month ago
i feel like maybe archie moore modeled his style with armstrong in mind.i see similaritys.i can see a little dempsey in henry as well.these styles are emulated and passed on
dempsey981 1 month ago
I think a prime Shane Mosley would compete against both of them.
notthelastword 6 months ago
@notthelastword At an all-you-can-eat-buffet, or on a celebrity-reality show, like "The Apprentice" or "Dancing with the Stars," Yes.
There's no way Shane could have made the Jr. Welterweight limit in the 30's.
GustavusAdolphus1 5 months ago
Henry Armstrong is not a greatest fighter or a great boxer!!!! he always use his head, I think he is the leader of HEAD BANGERS........All his fights he used his head, I don't know why some boxing analyst they said that he is one of the greatest boxer of all time, for me He is the Greatest Head Bangers of all time
rcaasi73 8 months ago
Its funny because sugar ray robinson, the greatest fighter of all times style reminds me of Ali with the flair, punches from no where and great chin and armstrong's style is similar to that of fraziers with the chin, head movement and swarming.
jijforlife 10 months ago
Barney was actually putting up a good fight against Armstrong, one of the greatest fighters of all time. Ross was trying to create distance using the jab, but Armstrong was having none of it. Ross was also taking big punches, and trying to return some himself. Amazing fight!
reznick8 1 year ago
@reznick8
True enough, this is actually Ross' last fight, according to boxrec.
cet0708 1 year ago
armstrong=beast
kobrajesusreturns 1 year ago
before its okay to fight and stand in front of your opponent placing your head to the shoulder like we see in the vid. but now boxers like pacman u can't absolutely do that putting ur head so open less guard because u will end up in hospital...u will really land in the canvass just like what happen to hatton slept in the canvass for quite sometime
zero2own 1 year ago
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haris000000 1 year ago
That's not remotely true.
spc6767 1 year ago
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That's not remotely true.
spc6767 1 year ago
That's not remotely true.
spc6767 1 year ago
Why would they have to announce that he was teh one with the stripe?
I mean. . .
beefygoblin 2 years ago
pac takes drugs.
mow1717 2 years ago
if armstrong was born in this era he would have beaten manny silly pac fans need to open there eyes
portilop 2 years ago
@portilop
Actualy the style has evolved greatly since then. No fighter or yore could stand up to modern boxers.
beefygoblin 2 years ago
@beefygoblin Long ago comment but I was curious: how has boxing "evolved greatly" since this fight took place? If there's been any sort of evolution, it's perhaps in some of the out-of-the-ring stuff like nutrition/diet, weight lifting, etc., but not too much in conventional training methods and style. Armstrong was a pressure fighter and a great one. He'd have been right at home against any boxer from any era. And he'd have eaten up a fighter like Pacquiao.
Kedbuka 6 months ago
@Kedbuka Take a look at Pep, then take a look at RJJ. There's your answer
A lot of what has changed has less to do w/ technique and more to do with approach and scoring.
It also needs to be mentioned that overall skill and professionalism have considerably laxed.
GustavusAdolphus1 5 months ago
@GustavusAdolphus1 So then what you're saying is boxing has "devolved" instead of evolved? Because there's probably never been a better balanced fighter to enter the ring than Pep. Same with his footwork. RJJ's one of my fav' fighters but he was all reflex--and they might've been the fastest set of reflexes ever. But take a look at Juan Manuel Marquez, a beautiful fighter in the classic sense. He's an example of how boxing HASN'T changed. Yet he's undeniably a great fighter.
Kedbuka 5 months ago
@Kedbuka God, no! I would never use words like "evolve" and "de-evolve". It's stupid semantics. Rather than delving into a complex discussion. I suggest simply looking at what Pep influenced. Then taken a look at Jones' work and connect the dots.
Martinez, IMO, is the best example of a "throw-back" fighter. Whitaker, a much better fighter than Jones, is very comparable to Pep. Byrd and Mayweather are others I'd favorably compare with the sport's greatest defensive fighters ever.
GustavusAdolphus1 5 months ago
@GustavusAdolphus1 Your reference Pep and Jones is slightly obtuse...except maybe to you. I don't agree with your remark about Whitaker being a "much better fighter than Jones." I don't think any fighter ever was much better than Jones from a pure talent perspective. As for Martinez, you think more of him than I do, which is to say, not much. In any event, you're right, I don't want to get into a complex discussion. So long, dude.
Kedbuka 5 months ago
@Kedbuka Whitaker was far superior to Jones from a technical stand-point. Jones was a great athlete, but nothing extraordinary. There have been a lot of Boxers on par with him. In more recent decades, however, other sports have sopped up more of the bigger men from the talent pool than Boxing has. So Jones enjoyed a tremendous breadth of talent over most the opposition.
GustavusAdolphus1 5 months ago
@Kedbuka Pep made pure defensive Boxing commonplace. Men like Tunney, Loughran, Johnson and Gibbons certainly preceded him. However, Pep took it to a whole different level kinetically. Further, he defied the judges to score against fighters that might have been regarded as overly cautious. He popularized "hopping on the bike".
Look at Cerdan or Benitez for examples of more traditional defensive Boxing. Consider Hagler-Leonard a near clean-sweep for Hagler from a traditional judge's perspective.
GustavusAdolphus1 5 months ago
@GustavusAdolphus1 With all the name dropping, you forgot to mention Benny Leonard. And Cerdan and Benitez? Dude...you seem to live in your own boxing world. Count me out.
Kedbuka 5 months ago
@GustavusAdolphus1:
Cerdan was not a defensive fighter at all. He swarmed. He didn't box against Zale. He moved around and then dove in to attack. He wasn't really good at slipping punches. He blocked pretty well, but Cerdan's game was offense not defense.
tw69hands2 4 months ago
Pacquiao will kill Armstrong on 145 lbs. Come on look at the skill. Clinch and clinch are you kidding?
MrB0yKant0t 2 years ago
pacquaios a lot easier to hit than armstrong you fucking dolt.
bhop990 2 years ago
Henry armstrong is ma trainer in stretdford :D
serialchiler 2 years ago
He's dead retard
mS28811 2 years ago
sorry ment brotherrrrr
serialchiler 2 years ago
no...he'd be in his 90's, you're an atrocious liar
mS28811 2 years ago
lol i sware hes got same name as him he took on steve robinson
serialchiler 2 years ago
In this fight Armstrong says "fuck you I'm stronger what are you gonna do to me..nothing."
lol
cavemannick 2 years ago
The fighters of the past had more balls.
cavemannick 2 years ago
Ross has slow down a bit by the Armstrong fights, You can tell Ross lost a step in speed in the McLarin fights to the Armstrong fights. Not saying Ross was shot, but Ross lost a important part of his game plan in that fight.
Also Ross was in a lot of ring wars, it was bound to catch up to him. 80 fights.
greek1237 2 years ago
If I were a manager, I'd never let my fighter fight Armstrong. He just relentlessly smothers a boxer. And he hits hard and often. Not a pretty fighter to watch unless you like in-fighting.
greenstboy 2 years ago
Boxing those days was so freaking amateuristic. Watching Henry Armstrong fighting is like watching the American 'dreamteam' basketball beating Costa Rica in the 1992 olympics.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
You have to keep in mind that this was the end of Barney Rosses carrier, so this is like watching Tyson get the shit kicked out of him by Lennox Lewis in 2002...at which point Tyson was looking like an amateur.
Realy, the sport has changed very little...I mean other than the now rampent steroid abuse and the advent of loose hands styles (due to the influence of filipino martial arts and argueable other ones on boxing). Infact one could argue that pro boxers from that era trained much harder.
beefygoblin 2 years ago
I don't want to argue that boxers of those era trained harder. I doubt it, but it's possible.
But to me it's hard to believe this is a welterweight matchup. It looks more like a heavyweight fight after the 10th round. The speed, ducking and clinching is just bad. Look how Barney Ross jabs, it's horrible.
No after watching this I must believe that a present day Ricky Hatton could've beaten them all. The sport must have evolved since. Even if it's just till the 50's or 60's.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
I think they trained harder..They fought 15 rounds and some guys wouldn't get tired..You never hear of guys running in Army boots like Ali,Joe Louis,and Sugar Ray Robinson did for 1 thing..
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago
You know who also does that legendary army boot running? The army. I'm sorry if it doesn't strike me as extreme. At the pace that these two fighters are going it isn't hard to believe that they weren't tired after 15 rounds. They look in the same shape as the marlboro man in his late 50's too.
A real athlete trains as hard as he can. And that's the limit. Guys those days often had jobs on the side. Nowadays they can train as often as possible. So spare me the sories about the old days.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
So you think the heavyweights of today train harder than heavyweights of the past??If ya do,you must be watching a different sport..If a heavyweight tried to fight at the pace of Ali/Frazier 3,they'd be gased by 5 or 6 rounds..
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago
Yes indeed... And Ali and Frazier where gassed out by round 3, you idiot.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
Gased out by the third round??How did they throw so many more punches after that round??How were they able to take so many punches??By luck??hahaha..No,because they were both in amazing shape even though they were older and not what they used to be..
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago
After watching this,you think Ricky Hatton could have beaten them all??I bet you didn't know that this was Barney's last fight and had already fought 80 fights before this..Know your facts before coming on and saying retarded comments like Ricky would beat all the guys back then..Barney would destroy all light welterweights of this era in his prime..Benny Leonard who was a lightweight would have whooped all the lightweights-welterweights easy..
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago
Know your facts... Blablabla. I don't think that I'm not the one making stupid assumptions all the time. I knew this was Barney Ross' last fight and that he had a lot of fights before this. So please again don't use that bullshit against me.
'Barney' isn't the only one fighting here or is he? I see two fighters in that ring. Both with some crappy boxing in comparison with the champions of these days.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
Well tell me then,who today is better than Barney Ross around his weight??
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago
Cotto, Margarito, Williams to name three. I don't think it would've gone past the 3rd round either.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
Margarito??Would Barney get to use plaster too or just Margarito??
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago
Well Barney could use plaster and Margarito not and Margarito would still knock him out before the end of the 5th.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
The film is playing at the wrong speed. How anyone can make a judgment of yesteryear boxing based on comically-sped up old film is beyond me.
rangergranger 2 years ago
It only seems like a slow motion video because the fighters are really slow. I don't think the speed is that far off. It's just a little inconsistent.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
I agree..
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago
But once again I must point out that it was the end of his carrier and not the highlight of it.
Also hell yes it has evolved, and you can thank escrima for that (a philipino martial art, and this video marks the evolution of it into boxing. Hence the trouncing).
Todays boxers do infact have better form, inpart thanks to the infusion of martial arts into the style (including fencing stances and footwork). Tyson could have beaten Mohamed Allie. Thats the pace it evolves.
beefygoblin 2 years ago
Yes, well I can believe that.
But people don't have to tell me that nonsense about fighters being better in those days. It isn't true. You can obviously see that these fighters are not the same quality as fighters of today.
Same with a lot of other sports. A lot of the old school basketbal fans can't accept that the American dreamteam basketball players of 1992 are amateurs compared to those of 2008. Sorry Jordan.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
Obviously you are very lost!! Mohamed Allie??I don't believe you are credible since it's hard to believe you actually watch boxing and think Muhammad Ali is spelled Mohamed Allie..I'm sure you'd agree with me..
jonnyblaze0187 2 years ago 2
Tyson didn't have the heart to beat Ali, the man never got up from a knock down.
JcLeopard 2 years ago
I recommend reading the biography on Barney Ross. I never watched any of his fights but after reading about him it compelled me to get on youtube and see some of them., very interesting individual.
inbredagogo 2 years ago
to all boxing fans doesnt this look like COTTO VS MARGARITO..... hehe cheers to everybody!
nikz198519 3 years ago
Armstrong looks like a very strong brawler, with power and stamina and a great chin. Also, fighters of that era weren't afraid to get hit. One observation, his hands since to be down all the time, which meant he didn't care for defense or have no respect for Ross KO power. Very strong fihgter at lightweight. All time great by all experts' accounts, but hard to tell by watching this particular fight.
rjd1974 3 years ago
Great footage
JacboxerTV 3 years ago
Ross was a great fighter...very modern style. He would be successful today.
Ahsap7 3 years ago 2
Flashingswords, I enjoyed viewing your fight films of Armstrong. He certainly was the Greatest of all times. You are probably correct in mentioning that they didn't film all his Championship fights. The real fighter who 1st sent him to the hospital with a broken right hand, badly injured left and stitches over his eye was a skinny boxer named Davey Day. He was promised a rematch with Hank if he could get by Pedro Montanez a couple months after his match with Hank. Davey won by TKO. Ron
hughtharr 4 years ago
Fantastic fighter! Looked awkward but his constant swarming, stay on you style would eventually break down and tire any fighter, and the best thing is, he NEVER got tired.
Mowglieboy69 4 years ago 5
No doubt Armstrong was ana animal, but there was really only a 7 lb. difference betw. the men, and more important than the weight differential was age and ring ware. This wasn't the best version or Ross, and though it took a truly great fighter in Armstrong (who was entering his best years here) to do what was done, this fight does Ross no justice.
GustavusAdolphus1 4 years ago 3
@GustavusAdolphus1
How old is Ross in this footage?
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 5 months ago
@G: Ross's only 28. Armstrong's only 3yrs younger. He began only 2yrs later. This, Ross's 78th bout, is Armstrong's 107th!
lazur1 5 months ago
@lazur1 Ross had already been through wars with McLarnin, Canzoneri and Garcia, among others. Overall, his career was filled with elite competition, while Armstrong largely feasted on bums.
Foreman lost to Ali when they were in their prime, but would become a World Champ 20 years later. At that point, Ali wouldn't have even gotten clearance to fight an exhibition, let alone last 3 minutes against a professional. Different careers age men differently.
GustavusAdolphus1 5 months ago
nice vid. not too many armstrong videos on youtube. you da man!
thestarsareprojector 4 years ago