And the managment doesn't want to deal with 4 guys with possibly 4 different opinions. they have a lot to do so they wanna talk to the band member steering the ship and in this case its Lars. This will be my last entry to this clip, because honestly, I don't really wanna put up with pissy fanboys with make believe berklee degrees, with make believe access to Metallica's hidden Lair, contracts and retirement benefits and whatever he he wants to believe about himself.
What doesn't happen, is some fanciful idea that the band has a 4 people meeting basically dictating that they aren't gonna do certain things and they basically tell the managers and label fuck off. And they start making phone calls doing the press they want with the labels money. Doesn't happen that way, their opinions do amount to alot but at the end of the day the label and managements say is final on the press and the band has to deal. or get new management/label.
Step 2. Band leader informs the band of what kind of record they need to record, and the band begins working. Band leader begins molding the songs to the requirements asked of the label/managers. Once the record is final they give it to the label. Who then give a listen and may give a thumbs up. If its to their liking they start the marketing campaign. And give the plan to Management who further fine tune it and make the final arrangements and scheduling.
And heres the true rundown of making a record for anybody reading this.
Step 1. Label decides to send a Rep to the band or managers to tell them the kind of record they want. They might assign a producer to the project with the budget allocated to pay for the recording time. Especially if a big push of the album is wanted. At Metallica's level the label usually talks to the management. Who informs the band leader in this case lars. Smaller bands usually don't go through this.
Oh and for anybody that reads this and gets confused. The asshat below hasn't seen Metallica's contract, just Q-Prime, the label, the band and the lawyers. These contracts aren't public domain to be critiqued. And Frantic Inc. was a tour rider name, the band used for legal stuff to deal with tour promotors. the 200 employees were probably the road crew. And the band members had to be represented equally for legalese. Frantic Inc had little to do with media marketing. decisions.
I can't really say how my foot tastes since its been up your ass the last hour we've been going back and forth on here. You've been going on and on about Berklee degrees and being to HQ seeing Q-Primes contracts. But the only thing you proved is that you know jack shit about this industry. and the Mechanics of it. And this last one proves you are being a defensive fanboy. look toward Peter Mench and Cliff Bernstein, they are the marketers.
I mean when James, sits there and tells Kirk he's not allowed to have guitar leads on this record,
when James the last one leaving the studio listening to the songs and working out arrangements to make them single friendly to appease Q-Prime. i.e Lars.
When he's making final mastering/engineering decisions so the records sound current to the times culture. Lars
Then I'll concede my point, that Lars wears the managments pants in this band.
Ha ha.. Your an idoit !! You're just a baby when the black album came out and you call it thrash !! That album sucked ass far from a thrash record . Maybe if you were a true thrash fan you would know and james can't sing his old songs anymore !! thanks metallica for kickin dave out !!
Bigtime Metallica fan...and Megadeth fan...people need to get over it...really and truly, if you argue over whos better you are a poser...anyone who likes one and hates the other is a hypocritical douchebag...
@Ryanmetalmatthew considering dave masturbates all over the fretboard and plays 10 thousand notes in a small time signature... kirk and dave both have their advantages and disadvantages
Megadeth "fanboys" are nothing but posers here talking shit about Metallica, but the truth is... That they love Metallica! If i was wrong, you guys wouldnt be here arguing.
@Phant0mAssass1n Why do people that like Metallica and Megadeth have to be fanboys? What if someone likes both those bands and all kinds of other thrash bands? Who gives a fuck.
@Phant0mAssass1n Your just one of those pitiful assholes that can't stand the fact that a few thrash bands went mainstream, and they were the best ones in the scene anyway. Ask anyone from the "Big 5" or "Big 6",(depending on who you count) and they will tell you who set the fucking bar in thrash metal.
Metallica, and Mustaine set the bar higher than most thrash bands could match.
Nobody even knew how to do it before Metallica came along buddy ;-)
@TheSilencer1313 Not quite, Show No Mercy was released about 6 months after Kill Em All & is thrashier than Kill Em All. If you were to talk about Ride the lightning then that would be different.
I love both bands & Metallica more than Slayer, but to say that Metallica were the sole rulers of thrash in 1983 is a crock of shit, go back & have a listen, you'll see, unless Slayer is too spooky & scary for you.
@TheSilencer1313 Not quite, Show No Mercy was released about 6 months after Kill Em All & is thrashier than Kill Em All. If you were to talk about Ride the lightning then that would be different.
I love both bands & Metallica more than Slayer, but to say that Metallica were the sole rulers of thrash in 1983 is a crock of shit, go back & have a listen, you'll see, unless Slayer is too spooky & scary for you.
@TheSilencer1313 in your opinion, the facts are though dude, in the music scene, if you don't have good management or label it can make or break a band, quality songs or not. Metallica was always ahead of the curve in that regard. Mustaine always aggressively pushed his band to get the best of Metallica. If Metallica signed on to Atlantic records back in the day. We wouldn't be having this convo because Metallica would still be underground.
@tw19771 It has nothing to do with the big time management. John and Marsha Zazula helped them get on board with Elektra with Megaforce, but Megaforce signed a lot of bands.
It was Lars Ulrich's connections and worldly smarts that kept Metallica on track, as well as his great ways of arranging music.
So who made Metallica the huge band they are?
Hetfield, Ulrich, and Burton.
They are a selfmade band, and always have been.
A garage band, that became one the biggest of all-time.
@TheSilencer1313 dude, they didn't just help the Metallica, Megaforce was MADE and MEANT by the Zazula's to PUSH Metallica, its that simple. Metallica was John and Marsha's baby and they got priority, over other bands in the era, Lars connections? his claim to fame at the time was that he was a fanboy to Diamond Head. And he has never made any business decisions, the managment does. He just follows through on what Cliff Bernstein and Peter Mensch tells him to do. He's not stupid, but hes not god
@TheSilencer1313 Close, all the members of the band have input on arrangements and mixing/mastering. Lars opinion has the most weight due to the fact he is suppossed to find the singles in the way Q-Prime want them. track listing is also his gig. But his job is to answer to the requirements of the bands Management. Who want the band to sound current to sell records.
@tw19771 You. Are. So. Full. Of. Shit. If you watch SKOM you can see clearly that the whole band has creative control and they ALL meet with management to make GROUP decisions.
@avidmoviefan if you don't know and apparently you don't asshole, then don't be talking shit. First SKOM, you should know was put out there as a marketing ploy for that records promotion, creatively everybody in this band has input on the writing of the songs. But marketing decisions is Q-Primes gig, and they mostly talk to Lars about how THEY want the record to be for promotion. Kirk/James/producer/hired gun bassist work around that.
@tw19771 So, the two scenes in SKOM in the special features where the whole band and Q Prime are in the room making joint decsions abou the band with Hetfield making the primary decisions in regards to song title, album name, release date are fake? You know nothing about Metallica. SKOM was initially supposed to be used as a marketing tool for teh new albuk but direction was changed when Joe Berlinger appraoched the band about a documentary, read the companion book dick. I did.
@avidmoviefan Idiot, you don't seem to realize that the Documentary itself was for the albums promotion??
You don't understand that The title of the Albums, songs, and release dates have also been a group issue? i.e the albums creation. and has been since the bands inception with KEA and thats an issue with creativity. And nothing to do directly for the press and marketing for the band Just that the management knows what to call it when promoting it.
@tw19771 ummm I have a bachelor's degree in music business management from Berklee College fo Music in Boston. Q Prime is known as a "hands off" organization. They also manage Def Leppard. Metallica, contractually, has retained all rights to their music, and has always had final say on any marketing decisions--watch the special interview on the 2 of One video for more info. I have actually seen their contracts for classes I took for my degree. You have no idea what you are talking about.
@avidmoviefan all rights to the music has little to do with the managment. Thats an issue with the record labels and performing rights organizations BMI/ASCAP. Managers preferrably with Lawyers work out the contracts for bands, and can work the rights out. But no Managment on this level is "hands off" They are very much involved, or the bands fall apart. Lars wouldn't last 5 minutes making the constant calls for the press, or making sure they have adequate equipment for the road, etc etc
@avidmoviefan As for your degree I'm happy for you. Just be sure to try to get some kind of refresher course going. Because uh, heh, If a band hires you and you think that you can just let them make all the marketing press decisions. Word to the wise, you won't be employed very long. and thats a promise
@tw19771 I seem to be doing just fine tarveling the country and living off of my ASCAP checks and not working a minute of any day. Aren't you late for your job at Circle K?
@avidmoviefan As for group decisions remember when James was there overhearing Q-Prime's demands for a silly radio press Advertising snippet which he said he didn't want to do. And the mighty Q said they pull the press and kill their careers, James reply was and I quote.
James: "They can do that??"
The answer James is yes they can and managers/labels have done it it to other bands, its common. And its a direct indicator of Hetfields experience in the matter of the bands marketing, if any.
@tw19771 When James said, "they can do that?" He was refering to the program directors for the radio stations, not management. This led to the line, "wash your back so you don't stab mine." This was a fuck you to RADIO stations, not management. The point was that James says, "can we stop this" mangement replies, "yes, but if you do the radio stations will fuck you." They had the option to not do it but being the business men that they are they chose to participate no matter how unwilling.
@avidmoviefan Well clear channel technically could, If that was a clear channel affiliated station. But the fact is that James beyond doing interviews has zero influence on the marketing of the band. You mentioned song titles release dates. Its in the other band members interest to know that shit when asked. And thats why there was a group meetings about it, and always have been. As for the Radio stations pulling the songs. James would have known that too, just lack of experience on the issue.
@tw19771 Even though James' contract with Frantic Inc. DBA Metallica--yes they are a private coporation with over 200 employees and amazing benefits for those employees-- in which James is a full voting and vetoing body, that James, Lars, Kirk and Rob retain their respective percentages (25% each) of control over all marketing decisions? Man, does your foot taste good? I have been to HQ, have you? Nope. Done with this convo.
@tw19771 Lars was also friends with Robert Allen, Rick Allen from Def Leppard's brother who works for Q Prime. Both bands are managed by the same team. Robert Allen is responsible for both Def Lep and Metallica's climb to fame. Lars was more than a "fanboy" he was VERY well connected.
go sit on daves guitar, to be specific, sit on the neck, and let it slip in real deep, and tell him to play some un-melodic shreds, maybe that vast amount of vibration wud shut u the hell up :)
wow the beginning of the solo at 5:41 is exactly what mustaine used in Holy Wars! good show! oh and respect for both dave and kirk, they're both great in their own unique ways. mustaines an ace guitarist, but kirk did come up with the solo's to fade to black and creeping death, not to mention the interlude solo to the four horsemen.
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Getting kicked out of Metallica was the best thing that ever happened to Dave. Metallica would release 3 great albums and then each album would get progressively worse and more mainstream (until Death Magentic, but that just downright sucks). Dave could have degraded himself to that level had he remained in Metallica (although Risk comes close)
@ByronW365 I so agree. Its so stupid when those super Megadeth fans bitch about Metallica kicking out Dave, but what they don`t think about is that, if they didnt, Dave would probably still be in Metallica and there wouldnt be any Megadeth. And thats a tought that makes me sad. Imagine a world without Hangar 18, Symphony of Destruction, Peace Sells and so on.
@thrasherlml Well... you clearly got it wrong. What you meant is symphony of destruction is one of the not most awesome songs on the album. But i was saying it was either, i just wrote the songs i could think of and it was those 3 this time
@ByronW365 Hahahah... thats funny.... Hey does dave pinch his nose when he sings or does he just sound like a congested retard anyways? And to your question, I just like good music... to bad for megadeth.......
@BRYANJONATHAN13 Yeah !! I have two very important thing in my life besides my family and that is megadeth and boxing , well by megadeth i mean thrash in general .
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this song is great metallica should release it on there new album if they make one...james voice didnt fit this song in 82 but his voice now wud b good for this song
Wow!!!! Thanks for posting this super rare song. All Metallica fans should go out and purchase "Lighting to the Nations" to see where alot of their influence came from.
Fans of obscure, unheard of heavy shit should check out VSD from Baltimore on youtube. They recorded 5 songs live in 1987 that have resurfaced on here. VSD- Phantasmagoria ( features a "One" part 5 years before Metallica released it), Mental Breakdown, Conformity Sucks, Girl Troubles , and the classic Kill Your Kids. Enjoy!
since metallica put out "one" in 1988, there is no way that a performance from 87 is "5 years before"
i dont even know what part youre talking about - the tapping part in the solo? i didnt really hear the whole song, the quality is pretty hard to listen to for 8 minutes.
A lot of people are like that, I guess. It always astounds though that you play an instrument, join a band, yet not want to hit it big. I have heard that the reason for leaving was that he didn't really contribute anything song-wise, and the others wanted somebody a bit more creative, which they got and then some.
he also had a lots of problems with dave.he put beer into rons amp,so ron gets shocked. then he threw Dave Lars and James out of his house and left the band.
RIght, I know that part of it. That's the story you always hear when anybody talks about Metallica's history. The part I mentioned I had just read about in an old interview online a few months ago.
Not sure where I read it; might've been a link off Metallica's Wikipedia page down at the bottom where they list external inks and stuff. I thought it was interesting, though I kinda thought there was more to that story than what Metallica publicly acknowledges. I think it was James, maybe Lars, who was interviewed for the article.
there was a critic who said that their first album contains more good riffs in a single song than you can find in any black sabbath album. while i think not all songs are that strong (and i like sabbath :) ), diamond head's first album is awesome! respect for metallica's taste!
Hah, interesting. . . I don't know if you can say that about Sabbath. Yeah Diamond Head is certainly an overlooked band, but their sound definetely can be very emotional and has alot of feeling when Metallica covers them.
That Metallica had played this cover originated two of the greatest things in the history of metal: the riff of "Seek and Destroy" and part of the end guitar solo of "Holy Wars... The Punishment Due" (5:45-6:00 here)
Amazing isn't it how we lived in that time? Music kicked so much ass back then, and now we get to watch it evolve from what we loved, to something differen't, and yeah some of it is crap, but there are some that actually get it right.
metallica fucking sucks dick anyone who likes this instead of justin bieber should get a fucking life
Queati7 1 day ago
Wow, a truly amazing cover!!!!!!!!! love it. Whatever became of Metallica?
hoppinonabronzeleg 1 month ago
I like how tw19771's first comment says "I'm done wasting my time with ya" then he proceeds to make like 6 more comments. what a fag.
Morbutt 2 months ago
Sucking my looooooove
LGilson22 6 months ago
It's interesting that James didn't even play guitar on this.
MeTaLLiCaT8282 6 months ago
damn dave could play back then
andrewisking 6 months ago
I LOVE IT
ultraviolentgeisha 9 months ago
That's why Metallica sucks! Co za asy... LOL
iOCTPOB 10 months ago
Oh wow is there some arguing below me
ekmad 1 year ago 2
@ekmad
xD hahaha, yeah, some over-enthusiastic persons.
kaspy90 11 months ago
And the managment doesn't want to deal with 4 guys with possibly 4 different opinions. they have a lot to do so they wanna talk to the band member steering the ship and in this case its Lars. This will be my last entry to this clip, because honestly, I don't really wanna put up with pissy fanboys with make believe berklee degrees, with make believe access to Metallica's hidden Lair, contracts and retirement benefits and whatever he he wants to believe about himself.
tw19771 1 year ago
What doesn't happen, is some fanciful idea that the band has a 4 people meeting basically dictating that they aren't gonna do certain things and they basically tell the managers and label fuck off. And they start making phone calls doing the press they want with the labels money. Doesn't happen that way, their opinions do amount to alot but at the end of the day the label and managements say is final on the press and the band has to deal. or get new management/label.
tw19771 1 year ago
Step 2. Band leader informs the band of what kind of record they need to record, and the band begins working. Band leader begins molding the songs to the requirements asked of the label/managers. Once the record is final they give it to the label. Who then give a listen and may give a thumbs up. If its to their liking they start the marketing campaign. And give the plan to Management who further fine tune it and make the final arrangements and scheduling.
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771
wrong duder...maybe for boy bands and flavor of the week shit...No One tells a band this big how or what to write.
penfifteen666 9 months ago
And heres the true rundown of making a record for anybody reading this.
Step 1. Label decides to send a Rep to the band or managers to tell them the kind of record they want. They might assign a producer to the project with the budget allocated to pay for the recording time. Especially if a big push of the album is wanted. At Metallica's level the label usually talks to the management. Who informs the band leader in this case lars. Smaller bands usually don't go through this.
tw19771 1 year ago
Oh and for anybody that reads this and gets confused. The asshat below hasn't seen Metallica's contract, just Q-Prime, the label, the band and the lawyers. These contracts aren't public domain to be critiqued. And Frantic Inc. was a tour rider name, the band used for legal stuff to deal with tour promotors. the 200 employees were probably the road crew. And the band members had to be represented equally for legalese. Frantic Inc had little to do with media marketing. decisions.
tw19771 1 year ago
I can't really say how my foot tastes since its been up your ass the last hour we've been going back and forth on here. You've been going on and on about Berklee degrees and being to HQ seeing Q-Primes contracts. But the only thing you proved is that you know jack shit about this industry. and the Mechanics of it. And this last one proves you are being a defensive fanboy. look toward Peter Mench and Cliff Bernstein, they are the marketers.
Done wasting my time with ya.
tw19771 1 year ago
I mean when James, sits there and tells Kirk he's not allowed to have guitar leads on this record,
when James the last one leaving the studio listening to the songs and working out arrangements to make them single friendly to appease Q-Prime. i.e Lars.
When he's making final mastering/engineering decisions so the records sound current to the times culture. Lars
Then I'll concede my point, that Lars wears the managments pants in this band.
Until then, quit acting the nieve fanboy
tw19771 1 year ago
Have they ever officially recorded this?
gubaldino 1 year ago
@gubaldino Nah and it's too bad
empreme 1 year ago
Love this version.
MutteringUrchin 1 year ago
Ha ha.. Your an idoit !! You're just a baby when the black album came out and you call it thrash !! That album sucked ass far from a thrash record . Maybe if you were a true thrash fan you would know and james can't sing his old songs anymore !! thanks metallica for kickin dave out !!
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zitella1 1 year ago
Bigtime Metallica fan...and Megadeth fan...people need to get over it...really and truly, if you argue over whos better you are a poser...anyone who likes one and hates the other is a hypocritical douchebag...
capnkdawg 1 year ago
@capnkdawg megadeth is better. its a metal fact.
Phant0mAssass1n 1 year ago
@Phant0mAssass1n You are just a Dave cock sucker...you just need to get over the argument and learn to enjoy one and leave the other alone
capnkdawg 1 year ago
@Phant0mAssass1n And the dumbass argument goes on ;-)
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
Still rocks from my garage!
metal1982 1 year ago
Metaldeth
HungPastor 1 year ago
tasssstyyyy!
JumpInTheFire83 1 year ago
@Ryanmetalmatthew considering dave masturbates all over the fretboard and plays 10 thousand notes in a small time signature... kirk and dave both have their advantages and disadvantages
jmniner5 1 year ago
hetfield really sucked those days
i'm glad he changed that bitch voice
sounds like dave mustaine = mad kid/grandma with helium
petugalo 1 year ago 2
@petugalo No, it sounds like a Diamondhead cover dumbass.
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
Iron Maiden, Helloween, Sepultura, Megadeth, Testament, Danzig, Kreator, Dark Angel, Nuclear Assault, Death Angel, Anthrax, Slayer, Motley Crue, Artillery, Sucidal Tendencies, L.A. Guns, Xentrix, Atrophy, Sodom, Exodus, Celtic Frost, Cannibal Corse, Black Sabbath, Destruction,Annihilator, M.O.D., Alice Cooper, AC/DC ,Pantera, Death
FranciscoJavierChiRo 1 year ago
MegatallicA
pachor2 1 year ago 3
Megadeth "fanboys" are nothing but posers here talking shit about Metallica, but the truth is... That they love Metallica! If i was wrong, you guys wouldnt be here arguing.
FINPutkonen 1 year ago
@FINPutkonen all fanboys are poseurs. but being a metallica is still a bigger poseur than being a megadeth fanboy.
Phant0mAssass1n 1 year ago
@Phant0mAssass1n Why do people that like Metallica and Megadeth have to be fanboys? What if someone likes both those bands and all kinds of other thrash bands? Who gives a fuck.
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 how about you like niether band and still like other thrash bands.
Phant0mAssass1n 1 year ago
@Phant0mAssass1n Your just one of those pitiful assholes that can't stand the fact that a few thrash bands went mainstream, and they were the best ones in the scene anyway. Ask anyone from the "Big 5" or "Big 6",(depending on who you count) and they will tell you who set the fucking bar in thrash metal.
Metallica, and Mustaine set the bar higher than most thrash bands could match.
Nobody even knew how to do it before Metallica came along buddy ;-)
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 all slowtallica did was make thrash famous. metallica was never the best in the scene. you're a giant poseur for saying that.
Phant0mAssass1n 1 year ago
@Phant0mAssass1n Yeah thats funny. Obviously you haven't seen 'Get Thrashed'.
When 'Kill Em' All' dropped, it was the fastest, heaviest shit around.
Your a poser for denying that Metallica were the rulers of the scene back then.
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
@Phant0mAssass1n music doesn't have to be fast to be good. Black Sabbath is slow, yet heavy as fuck.
Metallijazza 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 Haven't you heard of Slayer.
claggluru 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 Haven't you heard of Slayer.
claggluru 1 year ago
@claggluru Yeah and when Kill Em' All dropped, Slayer was playing a bunch of covers and putting on pussy make-up.
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
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claggluru 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 Not quite, Show No Mercy was released about 6 months after Kill Em All & is thrashier than Kill Em All. If you were to talk about Ride the lightning then that would be different.
I love both bands & Metallica more than Slayer, but to say that Metallica were the sole rulers of thrash in 1983 is a crock of shit, go back & have a listen, you'll see, unless Slayer is too spooky & scary for you.
claggluru 1 year ago
@claggluru Haha your a funny guy.
No I love Slayer as a band, but they didn't do the same for music that Metallica did.
You had Slayer in 1983 moving in the direction of some of the glam metal bands, still thrashy but without the attitude.
Metallica were the guys that got up on stage in their regular clothes, and brought the NWOBHM back down to earth with punk influence.
They did the same thing Black Sabbath did with their first album, they brought the full on attitude.
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago 2
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@TheSilencer1313 Not quite, Show No Mercy was released about 6 months after Kill Em All & is thrashier than Kill Em All. If you were to talk about Ride the lightning then that would be different.
I love both bands & Metallica more than Slayer, but to say that Metallica were the sole rulers of thrash in 1983 is a crock of shit, go back & have a listen, you'll see, unless Slayer is too spooky & scary for you.
claggluru 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 in your opinion, the facts are though dude, in the music scene, if you don't have good management or label it can make or break a band, quality songs or not. Metallica was always ahead of the curve in that regard. Mustaine always aggressively pushed his band to get the best of Metallica. If Metallica signed on to Atlantic records back in the day. We wouldn't be having this convo because Metallica would still be underground.
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 It has nothing to do with the big time management. John and Marsha Zazula helped them get on board with Elektra with Megaforce, but Megaforce signed a lot of bands.
It was Lars Ulrich's connections and worldly smarts that kept Metallica on track, as well as his great ways of arranging music.
So who made Metallica the huge band they are?
Hetfield, Ulrich, and Burton.
They are a selfmade band, and always have been.
A garage band, that became one the biggest of all-time.
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 dude, they didn't just help the Metallica, Megaforce was MADE and MEANT by the Zazula's to PUSH Metallica, its that simple. Metallica was John and Marsha's baby and they got priority, over other bands in the era, Lars connections? his claim to fame at the time was that he was a fanboy to Diamond Head. And he has never made any business decisions, the managment does. He just follows through on what Cliff Bernstein and Peter Mensch tells him to do. He's not stupid, but hes not god
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 I didn't say Lars was GOD.
But Lars dictates the direction Metallica's music goes for the most part.
Especially in the arranging and the mixing of the albums.
The music speaks for itself.
TheSilencer1313 1 year ago
@TheSilencer1313 Close, all the members of the band have input on arrangements and mixing/mastering. Lars opinion has the most weight due to the fact he is suppossed to find the singles in the way Q-Prime want them. track listing is also his gig. But his job is to answer to the requirements of the bands Management. Who want the band to sound current to sell records.
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 You. Are. So. Full. Of. Shit. If you watch SKOM you can see clearly that the whole band has creative control and they ALL meet with management to make GROUP decisions.
avidmoviefan 1 year ago
@avidmoviefan if you don't know and apparently you don't asshole, then don't be talking shit. First SKOM, you should know was put out there as a marketing ploy for that records promotion, creatively everybody in this band has input on the writing of the songs. But marketing decisions is Q-Primes gig, and they mostly talk to Lars about how THEY want the record to be for promotion. Kirk/James/producer/hired gun bassist work around that.
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 So, the two scenes in SKOM in the special features where the whole band and Q Prime are in the room making joint decsions abou the band with Hetfield making the primary decisions in regards to song title, album name, release date are fake? You know nothing about Metallica. SKOM was initially supposed to be used as a marketing tool for teh new albuk but direction was changed when Joe Berlinger appraoched the band about a documentary, read the companion book dick. I did.
avidmoviefan 1 year ago
@avidmoviefan Idiot, you don't seem to realize that the Documentary itself was for the albums promotion??
You don't understand that The title of the Albums, songs, and release dates have also been a group issue? i.e the albums creation. and has been since the bands inception with KEA and thats an issue with creativity. And nothing to do directly for the press and marketing for the band Just that the management knows what to call it when promoting it.
THEY AREN'T MARKETING DECISIONS MORON
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 ummm I have a bachelor's degree in music business management from Berklee College fo Music in Boston. Q Prime is known as a "hands off" organization. They also manage Def Leppard. Metallica, contractually, has retained all rights to their music, and has always had final say on any marketing decisions--watch the special interview on the 2 of One video for more info. I have actually seen their contracts for classes I took for my degree. You have no idea what you are talking about.
avidmoviefan 1 year ago
@avidmoviefan all rights to the music has little to do with the managment. Thats an issue with the record labels and performing rights organizations BMI/ASCAP. Managers preferrably with Lawyers work out the contracts for bands, and can work the rights out. But no Managment on this level is "hands off" They are very much involved, or the bands fall apart. Lars wouldn't last 5 minutes making the constant calls for the press, or making sure they have adequate equipment for the road, etc etc
tw19771 1 year ago
@avidmoviefan As for your degree I'm happy for you. Just be sure to try to get some kind of refresher course going. Because uh, heh, If a band hires you and you think that you can just let them make all the marketing press decisions. Word to the wise, you won't be employed very long. and thats a promise
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 I seem to be doing just fine tarveling the country and living off of my ASCAP checks and not working a minute of any day. Aren't you late for your job at Circle K?
avidmoviefan 1 year ago
@avidmoviefan As for group decisions remember when James was there overhearing Q-Prime's demands for a silly radio press Advertising snippet which he said he didn't want to do. And the mighty Q said they pull the press and kill their careers, James reply was and I quote.
James: "They can do that??"
The answer James is yes they can and managers/labels have done it it to other bands, its common. And its a direct indicator of Hetfields experience in the matter of the bands marketing, if any.
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 When James said, "they can do that?" He was refering to the program directors for the radio stations, not management. This led to the line, "wash your back so you don't stab mine." This was a fuck you to RADIO stations, not management. The point was that James says, "can we stop this" mangement replies, "yes, but if you do the radio stations will fuck you." They had the option to not do it but being the business men that they are they chose to participate no matter how unwilling.
avidmoviefan 1 year ago
@avidmoviefan Well clear channel technically could, If that was a clear channel affiliated station. But the fact is that James beyond doing interviews has zero influence on the marketing of the band. You mentioned song titles release dates. Its in the other band members interest to know that shit when asked. And thats why there was a group meetings about it, and always have been. As for the Radio stations pulling the songs. James would have known that too, just lack of experience on the issue.
tw19771 1 year ago
@tw19771 Even though James' contract with Frantic Inc. DBA Metallica--yes they are a private coporation with over 200 employees and amazing benefits for those employees-- in which James is a full voting and vetoing body, that James, Lars, Kirk and Rob retain their respective percentages (25% each) of control over all marketing decisions? Man, does your foot taste good? I have been to HQ, have you? Nope. Done with this convo.
avidmoviefan 1 year ago
@tw19771
James: "You mean they would FUCK us just because they didn't GET something from us??"
Cliff B (amused): "Yes James, they would!"
DrGalazkiewicz 11 months ago
@DrGalazkiewicz LOL
IcantDiedeadenough 11 months ago
@tw19771 Lars was also friends with Robert Allen, Rick Allen from Def Leppard's brother who works for Q Prime. Both bands are managed by the same team. Robert Allen is responsible for both Def Lep and Metallica's climb to fame. Lars was more than a "fanboy" he was VERY well connected.
avidmoviefan 1 year ago
Thank god for Dave Mustaine
kendostick58 1 year ago 5
This song's cool. Dave Mustaine Rules!
unicron129 1 year ago 7
comming from a internet loser
slayerfanslayer 1 year ago
go sit on daves guitar, to be specific, sit on the neck, and let it slip in real deep, and tell him to play some un-melodic shreds, maybe that vast amount of vibration wud shut u the hell up :)
suli559 1 year ago
wow the beginning of the solo at 5:41 is exactly what mustaine used in Holy Wars! good show! oh and respect for both dave and kirk, they're both great in their own unique ways. mustaines an ace guitarist, but kirk did come up with the solo's to fade to black and creeping death, not to mention the interlude solo to the four horsemen.
kazemshah 1 year ago 21
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nah man, dave aint great for shit, only kirk is :D
suli559 1 year ago
@kazemshah James wrote a lot of solos back then, just look for wah, then its kirks :D
thrasherlml 8 months ago
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is it dave for sure?it may be kirk
piperopiperos 1 year ago
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boring...
heartbreakbustop 1 year ago
MEGADAVE RULES
ByronW365 1 year ago 5
DAVE KICKS KIRKS ASS ANY FUCKIN DAY!
imaiden26 1 year ago
true
snak3yboy 1 year ago
go sleep ass face
suli559 1 year ago
The web says Metallica has just dug up this rare demo. Yet this video has been on YouTube for over 2 years.
dtbjjrb 1 year ago 7
News is obvioulsy B.S LOL
watch?v=L91H3h21Cko
^^ Am I Evil from the same session
kingofquartz 1 year ago
cool
ccRHCP1 1 year ago
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MrStarlight1980 1 year ago
Yeah so glad they kicked him out of metallica ..... Then there wouldnt be Megadeth... that would really suck !!!
ByronW365 1 year ago 49
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Getting kicked out of Metallica was the best thing that ever happened to Dave. Metallica would release 3 great albums and then each album would get progressively worse and more mainstream (until Death Magentic, but that just downright sucks). Dave could have degraded himself to that level had he remained in Metallica (although Risk comes close)
shred5 1 year ago
@ByronW365 I so agree. Its so stupid when those super Megadeth fans bitch about Metallica kicking out Dave, but what they don`t think about is that, if they didnt, Dave would probably still be in Metallica and there wouldnt be any Megadeth. And thats a tought that makes me sad. Imagine a world without Hangar 18, Symphony of Destruction, Peace Sells and so on.
Zehtgorat 1 year ago 4
@Zehtgorat symphony of destruction is almost the worst song on that album.
thrasherlml 4 weeks ago
@thrasherlml Well... you clearly got it wrong. What you meant is symphony of destruction is one of the not most awesome songs on the album. But i was saying it was either, i just wrote the songs i could think of and it was those 3 this time
Zehtgorat 1 week ago
@ByronW365 no it wouldnt......
Constantdoodle 1 year ago
@Constantdoodle Okay fan boy !!! You like thrash ? Or do you like trash !! cuz that is what metallica became .
ByronW365 1 year ago
@ByronW365 Hahahah... thats funny.... Hey does dave pinch his nose when he sings or does he just sound like a congested retard anyways? And to your question, I just like good music... to bad for megadeth.......
Constantdoodle 1 year ago
@ByronW365 you're so fucking right its not even funny
BRYANJONATHAN13 11 months ago
@BRYANJONATHAN13 Yeah !! I have two very important thing in my life besides my family and that is megadeth and boxing , well by megadeth i mean thrash in general .
ByronW365 11 months ago
Dave slays Kirk.
But Kirk is cool enough..
XZiggiX 1 year ago 3
Dave is without a doubt the better technical player.
kingofquartz 1 year ago 4
James vocal style is hilarious to me AOWW!! Mick Jagger exclamations and every damn thing
xxgolgothasaurxx 1 year ago
That would have been funny bashing kirk insted of dave,then maybe dave wouldnt cry himself to sleep on a cock shaped pillow.
clikityclak 1 year ago
I love it, I love it!
morrigangoule 1 year ago
nah if mustaine woula stayed with metallica then kirk would have stayed with exodus and who knows what would have came from that?
NaturalBornThrasher1 2 years ago 8
@NaturalBornThrasher1 we would be singing a whole other tune man
FatMetalFan 2 years ago
haha mustaine definitely listened to a lot of aerosmith i can hear joe perry in his playing am i right?
snubbs741 2 years ago 4
mayb a little but he even said his greatest influence was Diamond head
dakotamanomgwtf 2 years ago
good shit i wish they would come back to this,its awesome
slayerrules86 2 years ago
I have to thank Lars for turning me onto one of the greatest metal bands of all time. DIAMOND HEAD!!
jeffreycollins 2 years ago 3
Diamond Head ARE FUCKING GREAT!
JulietteHasGuns 2 years ago 4
like his voice
Nina4119 2 years ago 3
I knew James tried for a more NWOBHM voice in the early days, but damn. I never heard him like this.
ThrashedDeath 2 years ago 2
Dave Mustaine rulz !!!!
larenuf 2 years ago 6
Hey guys check out my cover on phantom lord ! :D
the quality ain't the best, but it works!
maggvajer 2 years ago
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this song is great metallica should release it on there new album if they make one...james voice didnt fit this song in 82 but his voice now wud b good for this song
davidlago122 2 years ago
James sounds like the Diamond Head singer at this sound quality xD also, the guitar is awesome :P too bad Dave had problems with alcohol :(
vegitoxtreme 2 years ago 14
yea dave had a great future with metallica
davidlago122 2 years ago 5
But if it werent for his alcohol and drugs,Kirk hammet wouldnt exist,haha
crisshort1996 2 years ago
lmao, erm don't you mean he wouldn't be who he is today, not completely cease to exist.
raulthebear08 2 years ago
yo know what i meannobody would know who he is nless he made it bog with another band or something
crisshort1996 2 years ago
ya but dave still has a great career
dakotamanomgwtf 2 years ago 5
yaggermiester
lazarulksd 1 year ago
Holy shit. I have the Diamond Head album, Lightning To The Nations. It's really great, and Metallica covered Sucking My Love really good.
grillz009 2 years ago
dam I need that fucking album I can't find it on any store ¡¡¡¡
metallica4life0707 2 years ago
really enjoying this...thanks!
Nightermare09 2 years ago
5.41-5.52 Nice. I prefer it to Tatler's solo, which always seemed out of sync with the rhythm section.
garvan 2 years ago
What a loooooooooooooovely song_!
HarvesterOfSorrow93 2 years ago
Wow!!!! Thanks for posting this super rare song. All Metallica fans should go out and purchase "Lighting to the Nations" to see where alot of their influence came from.
Fans of obscure, unheard of heavy shit should check out VSD from Baltimore on youtube. They recorded 5 songs live in 1987 that have resurfaced on here. VSD- Phantasmagoria ( features a "One" part 5 years before Metallica released it), Mental Breakdown, Conformity Sucks, Girl Troubles , and the classic Kill Your Kids. Enjoy!
oldschoolthrasher01 2 years ago
since metallica put out "one" in 1988, there is no way that a performance from 87 is "5 years before"
i dont even know what part youre talking about - the tapping part in the solo? i didnt really hear the whole song, the quality is pretty hard to listen to for 8 minutes.
TheTROLLTRON 1 year ago
Harris and Tattler could write really heavy shit and Ronnie could not. This is one killer song off of one hell of an album! Takes me back man.
Arcocustom 2 years ago
Ron's bass sounds badass.
Hellhammerabadon 2 years ago 9
Ron sounds like he had a pretty fat bass tone.......wonder why his career never panned out.
uofm97 2 years ago 2
Ron never wanted to be famous,like James and Lars.They wanted to rule the world from the first day on.Ron was more the Garage-Jamguy...
Failhaid 2 years ago 3
A lot of people are like that, I guess. It always astounds though that you play an instrument, join a band, yet not want to hit it big. I have heard that the reason for leaving was that he didn't really contribute anything song-wise, and the others wanted somebody a bit more creative, which they got and then some.
uofm97 2 years ago 2
he also had a lots of problems with dave.he put beer into rons amp,so ron gets shocked. then he threw Dave Lars and James out of his house and left the band.
Failhaid 2 years ago
RIght, I know that part of it. That's the story you always hear when anybody talks about Metallica's history. The part I mentioned I had just read about in an old interview online a few months ago.
uofm97 2 years ago
ok,that's sth i didn't know before.
seems like you can find out new things about Tallica everyday ; )
Failhaid 2 years ago
Not sure where I read it; might've been a link off Metallica's Wikipedia page down at the bottom where they list external inks and stuff. I thought it was interesting, though I kinda thought there was more to that story than what Metallica publicly acknowledges. I think it was James, maybe Lars, who was interviewed for the article.
uofm97 2 years ago
Mustaine Owns
canelitojuan 2 years ago 4
love playing the riffs in this song, so awesome!
Kaaybeee 2 years ago 2
Wow, the intro riff and the main riff of this song are fucking purely awesome. I'm surprised I haven't heard more of this band.
spartan0187 2 years ago
there was a critic who said that their first album contains more good riffs in a single song than you can find in any black sabbath album. while i think not all songs are that strong (and i like sabbath :) ), diamond head's first album is awesome! respect for metallica's taste!
atnikolov85 2 years ago 3
Hah, interesting. . . I don't know if you can say that about Sabbath. Yeah Diamond Head is certainly an overlooked band, but their sound definetely can be very emotional and has alot of feeling when Metallica covers them.
spartan0187 2 years ago
it has got some of the best riffs you will hear tho
louiscfc93 2 years ago 2
you should alway's listen to metallica O.O there the best band eveer
borox123 2 years ago
dave make this song sound better than the original
swayz1r 2 years ago 5
Hot damn Dave Mustaine plays a badass lead on this song!
dantes1815 2 years ago 6
Good job, Dave.
MishuTaste 3 years ago 5
Hell, it sounds better than any of my band's old garage tapes. Well, except for the missing part.
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hdvidzjoy 3 years ago
This is impossible to hear who the singer is.
Ishykawa 3 years ago
young james ftw!
metalliNERD 3 years ago 8
holy wars solo.. hahahaha dave riff it off
brattchx 3 years ago 4
That Metallica had played this cover originated two of the greatest things in the history of metal: the riff of "Seek and Destroy" and part of the end guitar solo of "Holy Wars... The Punishment Due" (5:45-6:00 here)
rockyourfockingself 3 years ago 6
Amazing isn't it how we lived in that time? Music kicked so much ass back then, and now we get to watch it evolve from what we loved, to something differen't, and yeah some of it is crap, but there are some that actually get it right.
dannyjingu 2 years ago 2
James has an awesome voice for this song, it's hard to tell so turn the volume up. turn it to 11. XD
rockdoctor92 3 years ago 4
geez... original is no much better!
pansraka 3 years ago
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bet none of you tardos knows who originally does this
ishockeyfrilla 3 years ago
diamond head lol
it even says on the info
Rogasoukidan 3 years ago 4
What a boob..."bet none of you tardos know"...good job there Mr. Mental Midget!!
PSSGoA5k4t3 2 years ago
of course it's james singing, how could you NOT tell?
parkerman6 3 years ago 3
anyone knows if james singing?
xManaBanana 3 years ago
i downloaded this off of soulseek, i thought it was just a garage band with a shity PA
beatles61 3 years ago
It IS just a garage band with a shitty PA! But then, from small acorns do mighty oak trees grow!
richardmoores 3 years ago 7
shouldn't the date be 3/?/82?
parkerman6 3 years ago
not in every country people write M/D/Y, in come places is D/M/Y
deraickripper 3 years ago 5
getting a band!..
BWEEBLAST 3 years ago
Dave really rips it up in this, love it..
MDethfan 3 years ago 3
really wish they had done this for garage days revisited, or any of the cover albums/collections that followed.
so cool to hear dave on lead!
Shrap666 3 years ago
Metallica do an ace job covering anything, this like all the rest is a masterpiece.
Shame about the quality.
davkasayres 3 years ago 5
amazing cover of an amazing song, goddamn i miss when this band was awesome, too bad they haven't been awesome in 20 years.
neckred 3 years ago
I'm horrible like this song.
ghost700 3 years ago
sorry a faggot friend wrote this
he has no taste in music this song is awsome
ghost700 3 years ago
get new friends.
TheLoneSergeant 3 years ago 14
nice performance, makes it quite clear where the later "Seek & Destroy" originated from :-)
cleoburymortimer 3 years ago 4
Metallica kicked so much as with cliff and dave.
brpadington 3 years ago 2