@BlueinGreen2 Yeah sorta agree... I think in '64, Miles was a little unpredictable, his playing was definitely changing a lot in the mid 60s. If you haven't checked out the My Funny Valentine concert with George Coleman, it is awesome and there's a better version of All of You on it, I think
@samfrizell Agreed - My Funny Valentine is one of the best albums ever made, in my opinion. And it's the electricity and explosions in that set that made it so great - here Miles seems to be quelling any fire or spontaneity from his musicians. Puzzling.
Man, he is having a rough night with those guys! And it wasn't just Herbie 0:40 either. He was evil-eyeing Ron 9:00, vibing and scrutinizing Herbie @ 7:28. Also, he actually goes over during a solo and at 2:46 gets in Herbie's ear! A verbal warning? Man, that must have been unnerving! But Herbie is just as cool as a blueberry Slurpee despite it. There's just something so powerful about the tension and irritation Miles is radiating there. It's hilarious and scary all at once. He was a master!
@impala327 Miles always walked off after a solo..He would walk off to observe the band from the sideline from another perspective and to withdraw attention from himself when he not playing..Makes perfect sense and also added to the MIles Davis mystique
pretty sure the reason why miles gives herbie a look is because he provides a cue for the rhythm section to gather momentum at 38-40s (something which you can hear all over the 64' concert record and he uses ithe same sort of device at 2.25-2.28 ) and im pretty sure herbie doesn't react at all. i think herbie does notice the look because straight after miles looks over, herbie increases the volume and the intensity of his comping. Incidently, its all about rons bass at 1.48 - 2.10....
@federationbattlestat You're partly right..I don't think miles provided any cue for Herbie to pick up the pace because after he lays out the pace still continues at the same tempo...Like I said Herbie was simply just going through the motions..Listen to him...he's just noodling around on the keys. The only cue miles gave him was the tongue flicker at 00:47 to take a break..Hey the man was killing to tune and contributing nothing..I saw no fault in Carter's bass playing...He seems always on time.
@lestmbly im pretty sure that that sort of gesture by miles at 38 - 40 is used all the time to cue the band to gain momentum, if you listen to stella on the 64 concert during miles's solo there are two occasions that he uses a similar gestural idea to control the band, usually herbie, ron and tony would respond. Im not sure that hat it was anything to do with the preceding comping. Also, i wasn't knocking ron's playing in that section, I was exalting it. So hip.
@federationbattlestat If miles used the gesture that you suggested at 00:38 and 00:40 for the band to gain momentum then not only did Herbie missed the cue but Carter and Williams missed it also..All 3 missing it would have been highly unlikely. Face it, Hancock was simply asleep at the keys piddling around and contributing nothing..This was a European gig..Maybe Hancock was tired from suffering jet-lag..
I'm in agreement with your comments ... no ambiguity about Miles's feeling ... and trying to play with those thoughts on your mind is no easy thing. Listening to what's going on behind him you got to go along with conjecture that it sounds unispiring ... building to nothing ... nothing to play against
The stare down with out a doubt was directed toward Hancock.The role of the pianist it to create a atmosphere through harmonizing tones(chords) for the rest of the rhythm section. Hancock mind was obviously elsewhere.He was listless and uninspired.Miles showed his dissatisfaction @ 0:42 by signalling him to lay out, which he did.They had words at @2:47. It was so clear and obvious and also kool to what had transpired..
Nah...I believe you've misread the situation.Miles was giving the look to Hancock cause he was being too much the minimalist. The whole rhythm section, with Hancock being the anchor, was just going through the motions and piddling along for Miles taste at that point. Check it, Miles walked over and had words with Hancock, at which point he noticeably picked up the pace during the Shorter solo. This was a European venue, Hancock may have been suffering from jet-lag
People that think Miles is overrated haven't heard him at his best. i can say he is anything but overrated. Holland April 9, 1960 is some of Mile's best. If you can find the recording and have the privilege to listen to it, and aren't completely blown away, I would be very surprised.
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If I say I don't care much for Miles Davis I get SHUNNED as a jazzlover. If you like jazz you're not allowed to not like Miles! And if I say he's overrated I get the evil eye!
You're kiddin' right? Playing safe is the last thing on this band's agenda. They're stretching the limits of these tunes. They're playing inside and out. Herbie's voicings on this tune is so hip. Stellar!
Yeah, Miles did looked ticked off for the moment with Herbie riding his phrasing so Miles had to rethink how he was going to follow it up. That was on Miles. But it passed and later when Herbie is soloing and Miles is deeply checking him out he later incorporates some of the ways that Herbie played with time in his own phrasing. Miles was Miles, but he had much respect for the brilliance of his musical partners. But he challenged them to rise, just as they did for him. I enjoyed this. Thanks.
Around 7:29 You can see Miles still vibing Herbie. He was scrutinizing every note. Damn, that would be one tough gig... but Hancock was up for it big time!
that look was nothing, once i saw Miles come up to within a foot of Ron Carter's face and glare at him, Ron just stretched his neck out and glared right back, so much for the sensitive Miles.
Playing in the rhythm sections teaches you that are front
@helluvagun how can you say he showed more stamina earlier on like thats it. you need to listen to liveevil or just go on reading your downbeat magazines and get the fuck out of here with your bullshit
A lot of us don't know where Miles went after the late 70's. This group, however, should have lasted two more decades. Thanx, Astrotype, I hadn't seen or heard this jewel. As Coltrane said, Shorter is scrambling eggs, but no one scrembles them better. A paraphrase, of course.
i dont kno about miles not liking what herbie was playin behind him tho. the 'four and more' liner notes say something about how miles asked herbie why he didnt play behind him like herbie was playin behind george coleman on 'there is no greater love'. maybe in this instance he didnt dig what he was doin.
it's interesting to me how everybody knows everthing here (mind readers). i saw the evil look, too, but couldn't possibly guess what herbie did. as far as miles not liking to be 'tailed,' did you ever hear wynton kelly on the blackhawk recordings? he's all over miles ALL THE TIME and miles loved wynton.
what fascinates me about all these clips is how far this band evolved between '64 and the 1967 tapes. amazing.
Not to worry. Nothing special going. When you look at later concerts, you can see that Miles has always been behaving like this. I guess it was just a way of him to focus on a next bunch of notes. Just like that stuff with putting a finger in his ear after his solo. He kept on doing this also in later concerts. But what a wonderful clip by the way. Excellent playing. Thanx for posting.
This clip is off the DVD called "Miles Davis Quintet/Milan 1964", publisher Impro-Jazz 2007. It is performed at the "Teatro Dell'Arte" in Milan, Italy - this was the final leg of a European tour. Among the 5 songs on the DVD, is a version of "All Blues" which is different from that on the "Kind of Blue" album. KOB is often cited as being the top selling Jazz album of all time. Rightly so, as it is just so good.
yea i see it now i heard him parot the scale run the drummer and bass players look was funny,i heard sonny stitt did a gig once and he gave the key man a mouth full for copying his licks ,must of been nerve racking to play with these guys ,we copy licks now lol and ppl are amazed ,how times change
Tony Is snickering at the vibe Miles gave Herbie at 0:48
sbp904 3 months ago
You know you're a bad ass when you can bitch out Herbie Hancock for not comping correctly.
gburleigh 6 months ago 7
Miles.. was a cool dude..
CaronAplus 7 months ago
thanks for that
hamidluke 8 months ago
Miles is miles ahead of these cats and they learned most of what they know from working with him. That's why they withstood his attitude.
rnjames1979 8 months ago
...sorry Marsalis' but this is the 'shizzle' ! Nice try, though.
aammirr 9 months ago 3
This is insane great. Music will never be better. Have listen to it 10 times this day.
jazzuffe 10 months ago
For all Miles' anger, he should really come up with more dynamic solos. At least Herbie, Rob, Wayne and Tony are spicing things up...
BlueinGreen2 10 months ago
@BlueinGreen2 Yeah sorta agree... I think in '64, Miles was a little unpredictable, his playing was definitely changing a lot in the mid 60s. If you haven't checked out the My Funny Valentine concert with George Coleman, it is awesome and there's a better version of All of You on it, I think
samfrizell 7 months ago
@samfrizell Agreed - My Funny Valentine is one of the best albums ever made, in my opinion. And it's the electricity and explosions in that set that made it so great - here Miles seems to be quelling any fire or spontaneity from his musicians. Puzzling.
BlueinGreen2 4 months ago
Amazing band led by Miles, the god.
But I also cud not hold my smile at what Tony does at 8:12. Guys of this super band should have been very busy these days.
es175s 11 months ago
0:40 Now that's what I call comping!
musicmanson 1 year ago 2
who wrote this tune?
BeatsThatDontRepeat 1 year ago
@BeatsThatDontRepeat Cole Porter
OjAiSaXpLaYeR 1 year ago
Herbie should have stayed in bed that day.
bjroberts65 1 year ago
Oh thank you SO much this is SO SWEET! More love!
molinmusic 1 year ago
Man, he is having a rough night with those guys! And it wasn't just Herbie 0:40 either. He was evil-eyeing Ron 9:00, vibing and scrutinizing Herbie @ 7:28. Also, he actually goes over during a solo and at 2:46 gets in Herbie's ear! A verbal warning? Man, that must have been unnerving! But Herbie is just as cool as a blueberry Slurpee despite it. There's just something so powerful about the tension and irritation Miles is radiating there. It's hilarious and scary all at once. He was a master!
NightGallery 1 year ago 35
@NightGallery So cool that he is petrified after Miles gives him the death stare.
musicmanson 1 year ago
@NightGallery Thanks for that.
hamidluke 8 months ago
Is it me or does jazz just not swing the way it did back then?
Mattyfbinks 1 year ago
2:46...Miles lectured Herbie
bluetony888 1 year ago 2
Sexy
bjroberts65 1 year ago
Oh man how I just wish could've seen the look on Herbie's face
monkeys350 1 year ago
Wayne's solo. And that phrasing!
partidoalto1 1 year ago 2
This video proves that EVEN the masters make mistakes and sometimes the improvisation doesn't mean anything...Thanks for posting
JazzPoetic65 1 year ago
I love the longer pieces so much, the music is so wonderful that I want to constantly be hearing it!
wearethearchers 1 year ago
what was so wrong with Herbie's playing at 00:40-47 that should cause Miles
to glare over at him?
milesmuhldoon1 1 year ago
Nice Bill Evans phrase @ 5:52.
acloakwithahood 1 year ago
Miles was not mad... if you count the form.... he was just pausing before starting his solo...
chrispertjazz 1 year ago
who's the jive fool who voted down this video?
hendrixphish420 1 year ago 3
@hendrixphish420
Some guy that LOVES Chris Botti!!! LOLOLOL
videolover61 1 year ago
haha also funny how when herbir does his thing and miles gets mad
all of a sudden he starts playing louder like "la la la you didnt hear that miles, keep playing" hahah
izzyvulaca 1 year ago
The true meaning of COOL....
bossanova64 1 year ago
love herbies playing in this!
thank you for posting this on youtube!
0the00piano00hugger0 1 year ago
I'm trying to figure out Miles reaction and exit from talking to Herbie. I can't figure Miles' quick upright about face and walk off.
impala327 1 year ago
@impala327 Miles always walked off after a solo..He would walk off to observe the band from the sideline from another perspective and to withdraw attention from himself when he not playing..Makes perfect sense and also added to the MIles Davis mystique
lestmbly 1 year ago
pretty sure the reason why miles gives herbie a look is because he provides a cue for the rhythm section to gather momentum at 38-40s (something which you can hear all over the 64' concert record and he uses ithe same sort of device at 2.25-2.28 ) and im pretty sure herbie doesn't react at all. i think herbie does notice the look because straight after miles looks over, herbie increases the volume and the intensity of his comping. Incidently, its all about rons bass at 1.48 - 2.10....
federationbattlestat 1 year ago
@federationbattlestat You're partly right..I don't think miles provided any cue for Herbie to pick up the pace because after he lays out the pace still continues at the same tempo...Like I said Herbie was simply just going through the motions..Listen to him...he's just noodling around on the keys. The only cue miles gave him was the tongue flicker at 00:47 to take a break..Hey the man was killing to tune and contributing nothing..I saw no fault in Carter's bass playing...He seems always on time.
lestmbly 1 year ago
@lestmbly im pretty sure that that sort of gesture by miles at 38 - 40 is used all the time to cue the band to gain momentum, if you listen to stella on the 64 concert during miles's solo there are two occasions that he uses a similar gestural idea to control the band, usually herbie, ron and tony would respond. Im not sure that hat it was anything to do with the preceding comping. Also, i wasn't knocking ron's playing in that section, I was exalting it. So hip.
federationbattlestat 1 year ago
@federationbattlestat If miles used the gesture that you suggested at 00:38 and 00:40 for the band to gain momentum then not only did Herbie missed the cue but Carter and Williams missed it also..All 3 missing it would have been highly unlikely. Face it, Hancock was simply asleep at the keys piddling around and contributing nothing..This was a European gig..Maybe Hancock was tired from suffering jet-lag..
lestmbly 1 year ago
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federationbattlestat 1 year ago
I just saw this video and Miles flips out because Herbie broke the solo trance by turning it into a duet. Get off my space!
loonpolice1 1 year ago
I'm in agreement with your comments ... no ambiguity about Miles's feeling ... and trying to play with those thoughts on your mind is no easy thing. Listening to what's going on behind him you got to go along with conjecture that it sounds unispiring ... building to nothing ... nothing to play against
Arborwaychet 1 year ago
Wayne's iii vi ii V is the bluesiest thing I've ever heard this band do. Amazing how they varied the interpretation of these tunes from date to date
herbieron 2 years ago
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lestmbly 2 years ago
The stare down with out a doubt was directed toward Hancock.The role of the pianist it to create a atmosphere through harmonizing tones(chords) for the rest of the rhythm section. Hancock mind was obviously elsewhere.He was listless and uninspired.Miles showed his dissatisfaction @ 0:42 by signalling him to lay out, which he did.They had words at @2:47. It was so clear and obvious and also kool to what had transpired..
lestmbly 2 years ago
@lestmbly haha an you see the way he just walks off as soon as the cameras hit him
soo smooth
izzyvulaca 1 year ago
This is only '64. Me thinks they were still getting used to each other musically.
impala327 2 years ago
No, Miles seems pissed off 'cause the whole band doesn't go to the climax he wants, and in particularly the drums doesn't start
vigilenci 2 years ago
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lestmbly 2 years ago
Nah...I believe you've misread the situation.Miles was giving the look to Hancock cause he was being too much the minimalist. The whole rhythm section, with Hancock being the anchor, was just going through the motions and piddling along for Miles taste at that point. Check it, Miles walked over and had words with Hancock, at which point he noticeably picked up the pace during the Shorter solo. This was a European venue, Hancock may have been suffering from jet-lag
lestmbly 2 years ago
oh god man did you see that look miles gave to carter at 0:42 looks like he wanted kill him.
bjroberts65 2 years ago
LOL it's true!!
musicman365 2 years ago
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lestmbly 2 years ago
he looks to herbie!
agonjazz 1 year ago
People that think Miles is overrated haven't heard him at his best. i can say he is anything but overrated. Holland April 9, 1960 is some of Mile's best. If you can find the recording and have the privilege to listen to it, and aren't completely blown away, I would be very surprised.
gigglepet 2 years ago
helluvagun
Miles Davis overrated, yeah and The Beatles and Bob Dylan are also overrated.
Are you frickin serious! You obviously know Jazz music well, but you have to expect back lash when you call one of the great ones overrated.
logicismycopilot1 2 years ago
looks like miles doesnt like herbies comping
smithw5 2 years ago 2
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ferlines 2 years ago
Why does Miles suddenly walk away from the scene when Wayne starts playing! Is that disrespect or what?
helluvagun 2 years ago
no, that's not disrespectful at all. It was common to leave the stage to the soloist.
ThisIsTheAlphabet 2 years ago 3
He did it with everyone. I guess he dissed *all* his sidemen? Uh, no.
impala327 2 years ago
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If I say I don't care much for Miles Davis I get SHUNNED as a jazzlover. If you like jazz you're not allowed to not like Miles! And if I say he's overrated I get the evil eye!
helluvagun 2 years ago
WOW!! Herbie and Miles
adelsamakia 2 years ago
wayne's tribute 2 the great lester young.
killawind23 2 years ago
Wayne's way behind the great Lester Young. Shorter and Prez are as much alike as THE flea on THE market!
helluvagun 2 years ago
listen to ron's alternation to the chord resolution @ 1:50
killawind23 2 years ago
would you listen and space out, was the look M passed over to H....
KOKOYAMS 2 years ago
i never knew him
michael085609 2 years ago
The guys play this tune in a more traditional way.Very different from the rest of the staff they used to play.
I noticed Miles played all of you always in that style.
I think it's his interpretation of the tune.
freebassist 2 years ago
at around 1:58, i think davis quotes the theme of another tune. Anyone recognize it?
anthrax1218 2 years ago
ahh, i figured it out, it's a loose reference to "rocker" the mulligan tune in "birth of the cool"
anthrax1218 2 years ago
JUST JAZZ BOY
7lucky777777 2 years ago
Tony is playing it safe.... lol
He plays for everyone EXCEPT Miles....
just to keep it on the safe side.....
LOLOL
FeetsAndButts 2 years ago
You're kiddin' right? Playing safe is the last thing on this band's agenda. They're stretching the limits of these tunes. They're playing inside and out. Herbie's voicings on this tune is so hip. Stellar!
ignaciomoran 2 years ago
Well besides the obvious mishap with Herbie's truly unsuccessful comping check out the a half step mistake by Ron Carter at 9:00.
I mean Miles is PISSED.....
Yeap must have been a really tough gig....
It's funny though...
I laughed so hard with this clip.
Great posting.....
FeetsAndButts 2 years ago
Yeah, Miles did looked ticked off for the moment with Herbie riding his phrasing so Miles had to rethink how he was going to follow it up. That was on Miles. But it passed and later when Herbie is soloing and Miles is deeply checking him out he later incorporates some of the ways that Herbie played with time in his own phrasing. Miles was Miles, but he had much respect for the brilliance of his musical partners. But he challenged them to rise, just as they did for him. I enjoyed this. Thanks.
Streamline09 2 years ago 10
Cool funky blues groove by Wayne and the guys! I'm not sure I've ever heard such a funky 4/4 from this group. Sweet.
impala327 2 years ago
Whhhoooaaaa, never seen Herbie get Bitch Slapped before. he seemed to take it pretty well, respect for that.
SidewalkFrequencies 2 years ago
Around 7:29 You can see Miles still vibing Herbie. He was scrutinizing every note. Damn, that would be one tough gig... but Hancock was up for it big time!
NightGallery 2 years ago 3
That's bullshit! For all you know, Miles could be telling Herbie about some "hot chicks" that were up for "doing the nasty", after the show :-)
bourgeoisbrats 2 years ago
looked like he wanted to bitch slap him!
d1thundergod 2 years ago
haha, damn. Note to all Pianists: if you ever comp for Miles Davis, don't try to mimic his diminished lines.
VolcomStoned04 2 years ago
that look was nothing, once i saw Miles come up to within a foot of Ron Carter's face and glare at him, Ron just stretched his neck out and glared right back, so much for the sensitive Miles.
Playing in the rhythm sections teaches you that are front
men are always dependant
wrldfms 3 years ago 2
well, Ron was about a foot and a half taller than Miles, so I guess he shouldn't have been too intimidated :)
antpile99 2 years ago
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Ron - he's still about a foot and a half taller than Miles ever was.
Never liked Miles's and his muted playing - talk about safe!
Thank god he showed more stamina earlier on! But let's not dwell on Miles.
There were more intererresting trumpet cats.
They all sadly died very young:
Maggie-at 69, Fats-at 26, Brownie-at 25,Lee Morgan-at 33, Booker Little-at 23.
You could but imagine what they would have
meant to the evolution of jazz should they...
helluvagun 2 years ago
@helluvagun how can you say he showed more stamina earlier on like thats it. you need to listen to liveevil or just go on reading your downbeat magazines and get the fuck out of here with your bullshit
jsxtal 2 years ago
fantastic musicians but not a wonderful performance.
shah2088 3 years ago
There's quite a bit of complicated sequences going on here...musically and telepathically. Nonetheless, simply timeless.
strongpedigree 3 years ago 3
A lot of us don't know where Miles went after the late 70's. This group, however, should have lasted two more decades. Thanx, Astrotype, I hadn't seen or heard this jewel. As Coltrane said, Shorter is scrambling eggs, but no one scrembles them better. A paraphrase, of course.
tommythomaso 3 years ago 2
I think Miles wasn't feeling what Herbie was doing behind him. You will note that Herbie doesn't play much behind him after that.
corolla1995 3 years ago 2
Miles knows how to create space, restfulness. A lost art?
This was all beautiful, despite whatever problems.
jazzflutist 3 years ago 3
He was just fed-up because The Beatles were earning more money than he was!
priapus56 3 years ago
Great clip. Thanx for posting. Enjoyed it very much.
teemingup 3 years ago 2
Look at 9:00...miles is furious
giova1982 3 years ago
Not Miles' best performance.
jazztrmpr94 3 years ago 2
i dont kno about miles not liking what herbie was playin behind him tho. the 'four and more' liner notes say something about how miles asked herbie why he didnt play behind him like herbie was playin behind george coleman on 'there is no greater love'. maybe in this instance he didnt dig what he was doin.
zwickhouse 3 years ago
it's interesting to me how everybody knows everthing here (mind readers). i saw the evil look, too, but couldn't possibly guess what herbie did. as far as miles not liking to be 'tailed,' did you ever hear wynton kelly on the blackhawk recordings? he's all over miles ALL THE TIME and miles loved wynton.
what fascinates me about all these clips is how far this band evolved between '64 and the 1967 tapes. amazing.
BlockChordsRed 3 years ago
i mean 0:47
nbdrums 3 years ago
Not to worry. Nothing special going. When you look at later concerts, you can see that Miles has always been behaving like this. I guess it was just a way of him to focus on a next bunch of notes. Just like that stuff with putting a finger in his ear after his solo. He kept on doing this also in later concerts. But what a wonderful clip by the way. Excellent playing. Thanx for posting.
teemingup 3 years ago
I am sorry, I am thanking you for posting. That was a bit akward.
teemingup 3 years ago
lol 0:44
nbdrums 3 years ago
damn, miles could a set a man on fire with just his eyes.
h0tpoop 3 years ago
This clip is off the DVD called "Miles Davis Quintet/Milan 1964", publisher Impro-Jazz 2007. It is performed at the "Teatro Dell'Arte" in Milan, Italy - this was the final leg of a European tour. Among the 5 songs on the DVD, is a version of "All Blues" which is different from that on the "Kind of Blue" album. KOB is often cited as being the top selling Jazz album of all time. Rightly so, as it is just so good.
philjquitt 3 years ago
WOW...that look is priceless(0:44)...miles wouldn't have anyone steppin on his feet...this is incredible footage...KILLIN'
rpoole444 3 years ago
you are not kidding. on both counts
yodaazpirant 3 years ago
Bravo for Miles and The Quintet !!!
t2017 4 years ago
WOW he looks so upset. Miles always had a temper haha. But that was the coldest look Iv'e ever seen poor herbie
WartsHogNYC 4 years ago
great chemistry
nbdrums 4 years ago
he also says something to herbie as well...interesting
nyshoefly 4 years ago
Astrotype, thanks for posting all of this hard-to-find footage. It makes my life so much simpler.
MilesTrane21 4 years ago 2
love that look Miles gives Herbie !!! Wow.
hehaww 4 years ago
ya wow! what do you think is was pissed about there? maybe herbie was a bit passive.
nyshoefly 4 years ago
i think herbie went off on a tangent ,chords sounded wrong to me
hitmanisback 4 years ago
ya I think youre right
nyshoefly 4 years ago
No he parroted Miles' line.
it was just too damn clever for Miles. He doesn't appreciated a guy tailing him musicially.
Miles obviously was displeased with Herbie playing right back at him his own idea.
I worked with a great jazz trumpeter named Sam Noto who would occasionally tell me how much it pissed him off if an accompanist did what Herbie did.
Mark Eisenman
MarkEisenman 3 years ago
yea i see it now i heard him parot the scale run the drummer and bass players look was funny,i heard sonny stitt did a gig once and he gave the key man a mouth full for copying his licks ,must of been nerve racking to play with these guys ,we copy licks now lol and ppl are amazed ,how times change
hitmanisback 3 years ago