Thunder, don and venom - part 2 - earth and moon cont.d

[MATZAMAN76]

"uuhhhhhhhh, because it was made that way??"

Christianity and almost every other type of faith system..in one sentence.....lol

[poorkinghaggard]

He knows the difference between deduction and inductive reasoning. We cant say he's stupid, or he would not know the difference. He's most likely pretending to be stupid, at least here.

[poorkinghaggard]

Catastrophic effects on the Earth, as opposed to the collision that created the two bodies.

[d007ization]

Not sure about this one but I thought that plate tectonics via convection isn't prooven yet?

[EthanNin0]

I only learned about the moon stealing the Earth's momentum in college physics.

The US education system is dogging.

[toolazytofindaname]

That's a bad argument from the guy on the bottom left - magnetic pairs of bands are still created today in divergent margins, you don't need a completely molten earth to get that, just molten material at the boundary. Also crystal allignment occurs in platy minerals such as micas in reaction to tectonic stress, not magnetism. Thunderfoot's example of the dense core/light crust is the better explanation.

[eastjones]

TF = "Why?" VFX = "ummm. 'because?"

[Khewew]

lol @ our computers have differences so evolution doesn't work....

[Webofscience]

...[cont] which form the mantle and crust. As these silicate minerals continue varying amounts of iron, a small (trace) amount of gold is also present in these regions of the Earth. Hence the presence of gold in the crust. It is essentially analagous with iron concentration (although this is a huge generalisation: there are other ways to concentrate gold in the crust, such as hydrothermal fluids).

[Webofscience]

To respond to VFX's comment about gold being present in the crust. Gold is a siderophile element, which means it forms bonds with iron readily. When the Earth differentiated, heavy siderophile elements collected primarily in the core. Hence, most of the Earth's gold is probably in the core. However, the partitioning of elements is pressure dependent! Whilst iron at high pressures forms dense iron alloys (the core), at lower pressures it forms silicate minerals....

[Webofscience]

Oh dear Donexodus, his description of magnetic banding (assuming he means banding of oceanic crustal basalt) is as much of a joke as the comments made by VFX. The best evidence for a molten Earth is the differentiated Earth as described by Tf00t. And the fact that we can largely explain the chemistry of the core, mantle and crust using element partitioning based on exchange between melt and solidifying crystals.

[opba93]

He just refuses to accept science.

[WaltonSauce]

Because it was made that way?

Insta-fail.

[SIC66SIC66]

Did this VenomX guy ever go to school? Or how does that work?

[altairx26]

@SIC66SIC66 He goes to school from monday to friday then on sunday all the teachings of the school were brainwashed away because of their pastors saying EVOLUTION IS EVIL!! GOD IS REAL.

[chinamanspeakenlis]

wow.. VenomFagX is an idiot of highest degree...

[TSavage1953]

This is so cool. Shawn is so uneducated but Thunderfoot is so patient and clear in his explaination.

[TSavage1953]

This is so cool. 

[UnitedKingdomify]

It's pretty embarrassing. It's a good thing to know enough to say you don't know enough. An ability Shawn lacked. IMO

[johnyu812]

venom seems smart, but then again hovind fooled him and thats pathetic

[VindicatedVigilante]

Interesting... A problem arose in my mind as I was listening.. if the earth was at one point molten... (Im not really contesting it) then why dont we have radioactive uniformity? Moreover, how can we date rocks that potentially were formed elsewhere and collided with earth and conclude that is the age of the earth? Furthermore, the fossils there in?

[chinamanspeakenlis]

@VindicatedVigilante these are very very simple question n high school students should be able to answer them .. TRUST ME. i could write whole essay on it but i'd let you do yur research wont spoon feed yu. TRUST ME.. yur questions r NO question cuz they r so simple.

[VindicatedVigilante]

@chinamanspeakenlis Right. Well I have talked to several people qualified in the field and they said "i dont know" so why not enlighten not only myself, but the rest of us as well with your insights?

[VindicatedVigilante]

@chinamanspeakenlis I dont think i was specific enough... by the field I mean geology

[Koss42]

@VindicatedVigilante By no means am I a scientist, but I would assume:

1. Radioactive Uniformity: I don't understand your question, but if you are speaking about radioactive elements and isotopes spread equally throughout the surface, it wouldnt be due to molten convection currents, sediment by weight, thunder also mentioned chemical retention. Also new material comming back up to the surface from volcano's, and plate tectonics (new land formed, old buried land being brought to the surface)

[Koss42]

@VindicatedVigilante 2: Dating Rocks: We can't date it. My understanding is that two planet sized bodies collided together, and a transfer of material took place together. The impact was high energy, high enough to turn the resulting bodies into molten once again. Just like how you can see a raindrop fall into a puddle and watch a new drop of water fly up separating itself from the puddle, a smaller body escaped forming the moon. Thus we have Earth and the Moon. Both were molten.

[Koss42]

@VindicatedVigilante 3. Fossils: No, this collision took place before life as we know it formed and took hold of the Earth. Earth is over 4 billion years old. This collision was previous to the formation of the Earth. Earth and the Moon formed after the result from the wreckage.

This model comes from many different observations. We know the Earth and the Moon formed at the same time, because we can date rocks from each surface to roughly the same age. Also the orbit of the moon, impact craters.

[Koss42]

@VindicatedVigilante Again, I'm not a geologist, physicist, astronomer, or the like. This is just my current understanding. I haven't actually taken a science class in 10 years so I could be forgetting something, remembering wrong, or am not up to date with the current iteration of the theory.

[GeoRyukaiser]

Shawns rambling makes my brain hurt from the stupid.

[Heliosvector]

i think you ALL need to have the words strawman, phalacy, and circular reasoning removed. ur not allowed to say it. its just the same arguments between u guys all the time

[8Multiple8Universes8]

The puddle part was a perfect example, and the typical creationist argument is saying they are not the same...

Just AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH­HHHHHHHHH!!!

[HarrysSecret]

How many times did you facepalm at VFX'S rambling BS during this vid?

Loved it when Don came along and handed him his ass back on a plate.

Cold earth indeed.

What a tit.

[UnitedKingdomify]

@HarrysSecret "What a tit."

I #LOL 'd

[Wavicle]

Are all of these TMS shows this tedious? Freakin' A, TFoot, stay on task. You allowed VFX to divert the argument to philosophy of logic. So we start off with a patently silly argument made by Kent Hovind about lunar recession and in the end we don't get VFX to admit that the argument is plain wrong and instead it sounds like the conclusion is a matter of opinion over philosophy.

[psycotria]

It's like vfx said, "Hold on a minute while I get an education."

Obviously was missing something in childhood.

[twotrees517]

Not gonna lie, totally swooned during DonExodus' explanations. That shit is fucking hot.

[jh198713]

Wait a minute!!! Need to look up the terms!

He's just embarrassing his self what a tard...

[emancoy]

shawn!!! if i did 't restrain my hands, you would have made my face black and blue from the number of facepalms

[stramster1]

Thunderfoot is shooting at a wooden duck.

He's hitting it.... yet it stays afloat.

[grayziehobbes]

@Uaz31 You suck.

[jrr577]

I'm convinced that creationists/ religious people in general, and VenomfangX in particular, will not concede to a defeat in logic because of their pride. They can't be wrong about a god creating the universe.

[Ekenedil]

Shawn makes me want to put a bullet in my cranium. THunderf00t is the most patient man on Earth.

@Thunderf00t I applaud you for having such patience with this unlettered cretin.

[Ekenedil]

SHAWN -- GET A GODDAM EDUCATION! THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED MOST OF ALL.

[NDBNTZ]

"A puddle and a planet are not the same thing". holy shit how'd you figure that?

[no2religions]

2:17 "because it was made that way". Wow, pwnage greater than 9000!!!!!.... :/ Shame on you people for giving PCS a seat at the grown-ups table.

[MarkArandjus]

Okay I have something of a natural science education, I dare say I know more about VFX than science in just about any branch, and even if I knew twice as much as I do I wouldn't dare pretend to redefine the stuff they're talking about with the moon and Earth. What, does he think scientists just guessed this shit and there are no heavy calculations, measurements and simulations to back this up? He what, read a lot of Wikipedia and now he's an geophysicist?

How far is his head up his ass??

[JRChadwick]

I cringed so hard when he called Walt Brown a doctor.

[no2religions]

@JRChadwick I've never heard of him, but I love how the people who have heard of him react in the movie to his mention.

[Domzdream]

Shawn is the epitome of how religion can corrode a smart person's mind into sludge. He SI a smart lad. But he just cannot think outside his programming.

Poor guy.

[no2religions]

@Domzdream You fail to distinguish between "smart" and "articulate".

[danoso0931]

"Because it was made that way"

Can we add this ti the FSTDT list?? It's gold

[MrDonovanFrost]

Let's play a game folks, it's called "count the facepalms"

[Domzdream]

@MrDonovanFrost

I know. My forehead will be purple by the time this debate is over.

[wristawareness]

Stupid youtube. After a video in a series ends, how about suggesting the next video in the series instead of the one after the next video, and four videos from another series? That doesn't seem like it should be too difficult. If I have to endure commercials you ought to fix dumb shit like that.

[tbukholt]

@wristawareness user/TheMagicSandwichShow#p/c/­74B6EE2CE9CEB0F8/0/7D7B73a0uck

[Superphilipp]

Kudos to Shawn for even appearing. Never mind the amount of crap he is spouting, but that took balls.

[mcmeister89]

@Superphilipp Courage and stupidity are sometimes confused for one another.

[Superphilipp]

@mcmeister89 I wouldn't go that far. But let's just say that they aren't mutually exclusive.

[rwjt2]

VFX is a good debater he can frame an argument, it's a real shame that he applies that ability to creationism.

[mcmeister89]

@rwjt2 I've noticed that. He has charisma and composure... but he's just damn dumb.

[EverEvolvingApe]

@mcmeister89 He is a sociopath... They usually have charisma.

[Sadslab]

Why is VFX's picture the back of his head?

[DreamMarko]

@Sadslab Simple, he can`t show his face :D

[DrZaious]

This is exactly like science when I was in school.

Thunderfoot = teacher

Us = the class

Shawn = the one kid that holds the rest of the class back with his stupid questions.

[TH3xMAST3RxM1ND]

@DrZaious i feel bad for the people who had Kent Hovind as a teacher, because after all he taught high school science for 15 years.

[DrZaious]

@TH3xMAST3RxM1ND I imagine having Kent Hovind teaching a class would be my like example, just reversed. Where the Teacher held the class back and there was one student who encouraged his misinformation

[MunkyDrag0n]

@TH3xMAST3RxM1ND I doubt he taught an once of any real science. Science teachers in many private schools, in fact, are not certified by state standards (of the sane states at least) to teach. You know what they say: "If you aren't certified, you can be certifiable."

[xShadowxPhoenix]

@DrZaious also, the dumbass who doesn't pay attention and pushes his own theories that are the easiest to remember

[JackeShanTwo]

@DrZaious Rofl, indeed.

[lamerizzle]

@DrZaious "That" kid. Oh man the memories make me shudder.

[airandfingers]

Maybe VFX should read _Asimov's_ "In the Beginning" instead of Walt Brown's..

[AkuZod]

XD lol'd at thunderf00ts stuttering

I'll give VFX one thing, his statements make golden reactions.

[mzyzer19]

vfx is such a douche. He keeps asking T-foot: do you believe this do you believe that. It has nothing to do with belief or disbelief. The concepts T-foot is explaining are observable, testable and very basic.

[Qdot543]

i feel sad for shawn, science isn't his forte

[Feralus69]

7:53 epic TF facepalm haha

[Feralus69]

Fuckin kid doesnt know the difference between a strawman and an analogous explanation of the current subject.

[AlbionFan57]

wish I'd have been there. I was raised on Hovinds BS, then later found out it was BS and abandoned it like the brain turd that it was.

[blurglide]

Well, in all fairness, Don's point of banding patterns in magnetic fields is indicitive of occasional lava flows- not the entire earth cooling at once with a rapidly switching pole. He probably should have used things like radiometric dating, accretion discs around other stars, f00ts graduated density point, etc.

[wakeangel2001]

I thought the moon's original distance from the earth was 3 earth radii from the surface, and wouldn't the much stronger tides mean that it was moving away from earth at a much higher rate? That means that as it moves away from earth the tides get weaker so it moves away ever slower, right?

[KaerFyzarc]

Magneticfields, PFTTT!! how do they work anyway?! Explain that!

[JustJobeMY]

You guys do know that the people will riot if part3 doesnt pop up soon >_<

[THEHARMONIKZ]

A planet and a puddle are not the same thing!?

I can't take it anymore.

[muffinman514]

Where's part 3?

[JustJobeMY]

7:54 nice facepalm from TF when PCS mentions Walt Brown. lol.

[G0lfYankee]

Xavier Lumens?

[bshieldsbb01]

Wow, he really hasn't changed at all has he.

"That's just the way it was made"

You might as well just switch off the lights and hand your brain in on your way out the door.

[hiigara1]

I was here watching these and waiting for a Magic Man Done it..... and here we go he managed 12 mins without referring to the magic man making everything. Surprised he lasted that long :P

[jacobpaprotskiy]

Who are you guys arguing with some random science denying highschooler.

[ShallowBeThyGames]

@jacobpaprotskiy A fool is of more use to a wise man than a wise man is to a fool.

[19822andy]

Xavier Lumens.....Is that TF's real name? Please educate me

[JohnnyZenith]

where is part 3?

[19822andy]

Thunderf00t lead him up the garden path. He's so freaking good at that

[Hemmersfield1]

shawn is such an idiot..

[hatriarch]

Where is part 3?

[KaroKoenich]

Elements are divided into siderophile and lithophile. That's a measure of how likely they get incorporated with iron, or with silicate minerals. It's those minerals' density that does part of the sorting.

[KaroKoenich]

The gold argument is total crap. It's not only mass alone, but first and foremost the compatibility of elements into the different crystal structures that form in different pressure-temperature conditions. Especially some heavy elements, like gold and lead, are highly volatile. Iron is refractory, and therefore crystallized in the core.

[intolerance100]

2:38

"A puddle and a planet are not exactly the same thing" - PCS

"Eh-I know they're not the same thing" thunderf00t

My hypothesis - thunderf00t anticipated PCS saying precisely that, and already had his response lined up, the way he delivers it amused me.

Good show.

[ManicTheManic]

@intolerance100 yeah thats one of thunderf00ts main debating strategy, he plans things out and anticipates what their going to say, usually leading them into a trap, I actually find it pretty interesting.

[japonizieify]

Deductive reasoning is only reliable if the premises are true. To establish the premises you use inductive reasoning. Venom talks crap.

[FlashFizz]

Minor nitpick: gravity follows the inverse square law but tidal effects are due to the rate at which gravity changes with distance and therefore follows the inverse cube law. So the tides were MUCH greater on the early Earth. But it still wasn't exactly catastrophic for the archaea living here at the time.

[heloizyjhenifer]

*THE PEOPLE DEMAND PART THREE*

[integralmath]

"Because it was made that way." Yeah, checkmate there, atheists.

Science just got totally served in that one, PCS.

[buktomsin]

Is don a Middle ground agnog? or leaning toward atheism? right?

[MonotonePeanut]

@buktomsin He is a declared Atheist,(deconvert from christianity like a year ago) and agnog is not a middle ground

[buktomsin]

@MonotonePeanut Oh thats good, I meant is he a agnog and if so is he in the middle ground? but thats all cleared up now so nevermind. Thanx though.

[Carutsu]

What a moron. I would dare to say that we Mr Lumens shouldn't even waste his time.

Shawn X has no idea of anything about metaphysics (which was used wrongly in this context, metaphysics is a branch of philosophy, he's using the 'new age' metaphysics) and why we cannot rely on the supernatural.

[Foderick]

Christianity is the direct result of a human brain being smart enough to sound intelligent and convince people but not smart enough to be humble in his or her lack of knowledge.

[MinervaInTheBrain]

About 4:00 in, I doubt VFX will say he is using special pleadin...

[KnightTemplar108]

Did VFX really use the "god did it" as an explination for how the earth is?

I thought he was at least less blunt than that these days.

[imnotthisoldlol]

We demand part 3....

[MeterNYC]

VFX didn't know what he was getting into...

[exacerbatedtaboo]

Not assuming that you are but if you're looking for a damn good geologist there's a youtube user by the name of WildwoodClaire1 on here. She's a really nice lady and does a really good job of explaining the subject. She was a geologist for 25 years if I'm not mistaken. I would love to see her go up against VFX.

[Awwscrewit]

7:52 epic facepalm.

[fishbone937]

MOAR

[massspectrician]

I'm still waiting for VenomFangX to generate a cohesive, evidence-based argument and/or response. I suspect I'll continue to wait.

[MastaGwee]

i need part 3! i cant get enough of tf00t!

[AfraidtoFly]

So VFX's argument is "God did it." What's really the point of arguing with that? Why not argue about the amount of angels dancing on the head of a pin? This is somewhat entertaining, but VFX's viewpoints depress me about the future of humankind. Will we ever get out of the Bronze Age?

[pumpstations]

I've got my money on Sean achieving Godwins law first.

cant wait for the rest. 

[nikkatnight]

@pumpstations You are correct. Eventually he mentions Hitler.

[DTiberius]

Great stuff, TF00t & DonEx. 

I personally never understood why most planets are assumed to have iron cores.

Now I do. Thanx

[drnekodr]

VFX is a moron... "Why does the planet have a solid iron core?"... "Goddidit".

[iluvatar003]

Shawn: "This is a book by Walt Brown"

TF: *head down*

lmao

[Requiemxtoxinnocence]

you can't get rid of the stupid, IT BURNSSSSSS!!! where is my brain bleach?? * facepalm*

[Otokogoroshi]

*Groans* So because the bible says x, he believes x. Not because there is evidence for it, but because it says so. If you are going to reject something at least give an explanation for it. His explanation is 'god did it'. His type will come up for many convoluted reasons why something is untrue (evolution, molten earth) but never ever ever postulate anything to explain it beyond 'God did it.'

That is what frustrates me the most.

[infernvsnecrohag]

WOOO, I'm excited that this is uploaded. Imma make a prediction... VFX gets destroyed... LOL convinced by Hovind, my 11 year old sister laughs when I tell her things that are in Hovinds videos.

[Turandot29]

Seriously! Of all the nutbag, pseudo-religion-infested "scientists" out there, why would *anybody* fall for Kent Hovind's line of bullsh!t? But, I have to give VFX credit - he has the stones to go against T'f00t, who, in the past, gave VFX a resounding spanking, forced an apology out of him for his blatantly false DMCA charges,etc. T'f00t even had dealings with VFX's father when VFX was facing possible legal repercussions for those false charges. VFX is a certifiable head case.

[554466551]

@Turandot29 Anyone who thinks themself posessed of charismatic talent will feel impotent and unfulfilled until that charisma is put firmly behind a cause. VFX revealed to us that his talents were mentored by watching many hours of Kent Hovind. Both learning to be a bold orator in the Hovind style and dissing science in favor of creationism came as a package deal for the young and impressionable VFX.

[TAz69x]

@554466551 That seems to be one of his primary psychological faults. Shawn has some serious mental health issues; fuck.

[Turandot29]

@554466551, I think you've assessed the problem succinctly.