@cigarzan thats why you learn all three, and the way I see it. If you're fast enough you can pull of any style on anyone. Like people have said before and what people who don't know need to realize that it's the fighter, not the fighting style. There is no such thing as an ultimate fighting style, there is always ways to beat all styles, like chess. there is always a way to win.
Siu Nim Tao is the foundation of Wing Chun. Grandmaster Master Ip Man will practice it an hour daily. Every student or practitioner should master it to understanding and applying the next to forms.
@gr8performens Wing Chun is incredibly lethal, Badr performes a fighting sport Wing Chun is a Martial Art. If Badr confronts a Sifu like Wang ZhiPeng or Ip Chun he will get elemanated in a quick manner.
Badr has incredible amount of strenght, for a Wing Chun master that is the ideal opponent.
Wing Chun punch is like a bullet, when you drop the bullet it doesnt harm you, when you fire it can damage or even kill you.
Wing Chun is deadly, experience it one time and we will see.
@gr8performens We will see that Mr Hari can get seriously injured or worst.
Let him fight with likes like a Donnie Yen, Jackie Chan or This Sifu (Master) for that matter.
Wing Chun is incredibly deadly and the power the fighter uses is ten times more powerful than the avarage muscle and punching power that we see in K1, Kick boxing or boxing for that matter.
Not to down Badr Hari, he's incredibly strong and he is a dangerous fighter.
@RossiSlipStream - Get real bros. You're comparing Wing Chun McDojo Nobodies to one of the worlds best strikers. You don't see Badr running scared or any of the fighters in the ring or Cage. Yet we don't see any Wing Chun practitioners even close to fighting at his level. Btw... Don't even bring up the street vs ring bullshit. Thats an excuse Wing Chun SIFU's come up with to retain their students.
@iApna As for your information, i know Badr personally, Remy Bonjaski, Semi Schilt and Peter Aerts to, as i am a Dutch individual who is witnessing the training they are doing.
Seen your ignorance and lack of decent vocabulary, KickBoxing (K1) is a ring sport, Wing Chun is a Martial Arts wich was used in the war. You are underestimating this Art my friend, you don't know nor ever experienced it, you just watch Youtube videos.
Dont be a Youtube scholar, experience some fierce Kung Fu.
@iApna Still.. Badr Hari is a real warrior in the ring, obviously his attitude is sometimes a bit shameful but he fights brutal.
Thank you for the video clip, it's a decent compelation.
This video will give you a impression what Wing Chun is, WC is deadly and you have to eliminate your enemy asap, its lightning fast and very brute. You use Chi (Energy) instead of arm strenght, If you know Chi you can do a thumb push ups.
@RossiSlipStream - You respond with a stupid clip from a video? How about a real damn fight? A real fight like this one: /watch?v=DQcYmDg6M-8
Regardless if K1 (kickboxing) or even Muay-Thai, MMA is for ring or cage fighting, it all can be adapted for the street. Plus, you want to compare real fight training to Wing Chun McDojo training? Wing Chun is quite junior and if it had any credibility of being warrior level training then it would be proven as such, but it hasn't.
@iApna You don't read therefore your reading comprehensions are at a low point.
I clearly said it will give you a IMPRESSION of what Wing Chun is.
And for your information, it is Bruce Lee who leveled up the Wing Chun status in the west, as he was using it quite alot of times, he then later created Jeet Kune Do wich MMA (UFC) takes his inspiration off.
Wing Chun is quite junior? this illiterate and foolish nonsence displays your utter stupidity. Go to your local WC gym and challenge a Sifu.
@RossiSlipStream - Look dick sucker, Bruce Lee is a bad example to give, because by the time he died his Wing Chun was non-existent. Plus how many years of training did he have? 5? Also because I train at a MMA club, I have sparred many Wing Chun practitioners that have left that Crap art, including One SIFU. In respect to the SIFU, he at least was trying to learn. I didn't take a chance with the SIFU, so I took him down and submitted him immediately, then changed sparring partners.
@RossiSlipStream - You live in a fantasy world where you think what you see in a movie is reality. What have you posted that has given any credibility to Wing Chun? A fuckin movie clip? Go back to your McDojo idiot.
@RossiSlipStream - I don't give a shit what you categorize Wing Chun as. Just go back to your McDojo and hide like the rest of them. Wing Chun's only claim to fame was Bruce Lee who himself dropped Wing Chun after 5 years.
/watch?v=PgswuXGYzKY - btw.. Boztepe sidestepped the UFC what asked to fight research it.
/watch?v=5AKFNCIJdvA
/watch?v=QyHbHcrfWy4 - They claim the Wing Chun fighter is 14-0 hahahah. I think they got the numbers wrong and should have been 0-14.
Ya great stuff buddy! Are you going to post another movie clip for me?. Try to find something legit, or a Wing Chun fighter at Badr's level in experience - NO CHANCE!!
@iApna Why are you justifying your points with Youtube videos, you make a complete miserable fool out of yourself. I know Badr is strong. As i said earlier i know him personally, just like Remy Bonjaski, Semi Schilt and Peter Aertou.
I've seem Badr fight and train but atleast he respects the eastern Martial Arts unlike you.
You just dont understand therefore you incable of processing thought correctly. You still need to develop a certain conciousness. Scholing Youtube wont help you out.
@RossiSlipStream - First I don't believe you know any of the dutch boys personally. Sure you might know them in passing. But thats no different than me knowing Ramon Dekkers, because I did take lessons from him including many others. Second, you haven't posted anything that supports the credibility of Wing Chun. But, I completely understand why you can't. There is no proof of Wing Chun's theories working on the street. How many SIFU have real fight experience? perhaps 0.0001%?
@iApna You did lessons with Ramon Dekkers? I sincerely hope you are dutch and live in Holland therefore we can spar between eachother respectfully and peacefully and set a point behind this irrelevant conversation once and for all.
@RossiSlipStream - I wish I lived in Holland so that I can train with Golden Glory. But yes I have trained with Ramon Dekkers, Coban, Bas Rutten, various other Thai's - All just mostly seminars. I'm also planning on going to Thailand for a couple of months if my employer allows it. But my Thai coach is always bringing coaches from Thailand for us to train with while we prepare for fights. I used to fight much more often, but its hard to get 6 hours a day training and work full-time.
@iApna Would be great jf you lived here, you would be more than welcome at our Kwun.
We train together with Muay Boran fighters, i think you know that particular martial arts and when we have to spar then we gonna simulate street situations.
It variates between 3 vs 3 or 1 vs 3. 50% hardness 50% Technique.
Trust me mate, Wing Chun is very lethal, if you can try to experience it one time. Do it! You would not regret it.
If you go to Thailand i wish you great succes in your journey.
@RossiSlipStream - In both Muay-Thai and MMA class we spar at 80% power, 2-8 minute rounds depending on what the focus is for about 30 minutes to an hour depending on the day. But before we even get to spar there its usually a 2-3 hour class of conditioning, technique work, drills, etc... For sparring gear, its a mouth guard, cup either 10-14oz boxing gloves, or 6oz open fingered MMA gloves. Again depends on focus of the class.
@RossiSlipStream - Also when I say 80% power in sparring it depends on who is sparring. Noobs off the street don't know how to fight, spar, etc.. So they don't know how to control themselves and end up going 100%. But they are usually quite weak in my opinion, so their 100% feels like 30-40% to me. 80% power from a Pro-fighter will break your nose, ribs, if they land a clean shot, unless you have the conditioning to take the hits. This is the level I train at, because I learn best this way.
@RossiSlipStream - Many Wing Chun practitioners don't know what its like to even spar with pro fighters. Or the power they can deliver into your body. There are different levels of pros as well. I don't have the conditioning or skill to spar the likes of old school Mike Tyson for example or Coban. Their 70-80% power would knock out and hospitalize most people. But entry level Pro fighters yes because I train with them all the time.
@iApna Trust me mate there are definitely wing chunners out there who faught pro fighters.
Basically Wing Chun is not suited for ring, when my Sifu who is a dutch champion in MMA and a Wing Chun practisioner for over 26 years. He had to fight a Sanda guy in the ring, he finished ot within a minute. He was so accurate and fast. Later that evening we messaured his punching speed. he dilivered ten center punches within 1 second.
And thats the danger of WC its so fast you dont see it coming
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chunners fought Pro fighters? Who? I know of only 1 person, but uses BJJ almost exclusively and Wing Chun striking only to get close so that he tackle his opponent. Trying to fight a Lumpini level 10 fighter - LOL. Their 50% will put you in the hospital.
@iApna Wing Chun is a close quater combat when the fighter is out of a two arms reach the Wing Chunner wont evem blink because the oppent isnt in his danger circle but when the oppennt tries to strike him with whatever move, the wing chunner is going to fininish it off.
We are like water when we only have contact with the opponents hand we stick to it relax our body (dont strenght it) and we deliver our combos bullet fast.
Flow like water and the philosophy of the Crow and the Cobra.
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chun for close quarter combat sure, if you say so. Wing Chun practitioners will blink, and will not close the gap because most have ZERO fight experience. Doing drills in class, forms and sparring at 50% does not translate to real fighting. Sounds like Wing Chun students train with too many rules. Realistically you should be sparring at 80% with semi-pro fighters minimum. With every match your opponent should be hitting you with enough power to break your nose.
@RossiSlipStream - You're only as good as the people around you. So if nobody in your club is training at the Pro-level then you are missing out. I also spar many black belts, one guy who has 25+ years of Kyokushin Karate and instructor. Its a war between him and I every time we spar. Also a crazy TKD guy, who is always trying to knock me out with stupid spin kicks. He has never succeeded and ends up on his ass each time. But this is fighters training not noob self-defense stuff.
@iApna Thats the thing, in Wing Chun we dont buy 7 seconds or less, break or eliminate your oppenent within 3 seconds.
We train in. The Source Team so every night you will go home with a busted finger or a bloody nose so when its sparring time it is basically balls to the wall. The Source Team is the real deal.
In the beginnig of the session we train MMA ground techniques then we train our forms than we are going to spar with the muayfighters and with our fighters. Die hard but eff cool
Wing Chun is not self defense its a offensive/deffensive your defend out of offense.
We relax our punches and we use the chi for cevere blows. In this video the one punch of that skinny and little master Wang ZhiPeng is the best example, yet he was merely taking it easy with his student.
And Wing Chun is recognized to be the fastest Martial Arts in the world, and out of fast you get power.
If you have a bullet it wont harm you but when you fire it? Thats WC
- Wing Chun has speed in punches but zero speed in footwork.
- Wing Chun punches are fast, but very little torque. Its just arm punching. Therefore little power.
- Muay-Thai is recognized to be the best striking art in the world.
- Boxers are known to have the hardest punches
If Wing Chun striking was effective, we would see it used in the cage, even if it was just used to punch someone in the chest or face. Thats all you need right, because its so effective right?
@RossiSlipStream - Power is rate of performing work. It is a measure of how much energy is created in each second that passes, the size of the force applied and the velocity at which it is applied.
Power {(Force × Distance) ÷ Time} represents the product of strength and speed of movement expressed in Watts. Where Force is measured in Newtons (1kg=10N), the Distance in metres and Time in seconds.
Wing Chun arm striking, vs a boxer body rotation? Watch Badr Hmm... Boxer wins.
@iApna You're being egotisitical again mate. Never would i underestemate the power of a other fighter thats hypocrticial and Stupid.
You making it up that Badr will run away, the guy is a ruthless and strong fighter you are making it up that He is afraid of us. Im merely telling what Wing Chun is not that it can defeat Badr Hari. You are twisting the storie mate. Please be honest and not egotistical.
@RossiSlipStream - Good luck with your training. Maybe spar Badr, he has less experience than your SIFU, he should be easy for Wing Chun strikers right? Your hard punches will make Badr run right? Tell Badr Hari he is no match for the striking power of Wing Chun and you want to spar him to prove it. When he stops laughing, he might entertain you. He has one more fight tomorrow, so he might take time off after this.
@RossiSlipStream - I'm rarely impressed with drills. I know all to well that anyone can look great during demonstrations, drills and practicing on less experienced fighters. I'm also not impressed with the artistic forms of M-Arts regardless of source. Those clips you posted impress you and some how you believe this can translate to street fighting. But what impresses me, is real application of skills.
@RossiSlipStream - MMA, Muay-Thai, boxing granted is not street fighting. But its the closest one can get before criminal charges could be applied. Street fighters come into our MMA and Thai clubs all the time, weekly. They are very eager to fight. Some are very tough because of their background of being security guards, police officers, bouncers, etc. But we lay them out quickly, because they don't understand what fighting is about.
@RossiSlipStream - Too many inexperienced people translate fighting to an expression of anger and rage. Which do nothing but cloud your judgement. I'm never concerned about my opponent, I am more concerned about my own ability to express myself, with no emotion. Sure I come across cocky, but words are the ultimate strategy in clouding someone judgement.
@RossiSlipStream - In sparring or real fighting you can win simply by provoking your opponent with words, causing them to cloud their own judgement with anger and rage. Once you accomplish this task, your opponents heart rate, goes up and automatically starts to fatigue himself. Now you just have to wait for your opponent to express himself while you keep completely calm with zero emotion. Words are the ultimate weapons of distraction.
@RossiSlipStream - Try this next time you're in class - When you have personally experienced a very tough class, completely exhausting. Walk up to who you think is one of the toughest guys in class and tell him "This class was kind of easy, do you want to spar". In my class, 50% of people do not wish to spar me. The other 30% love to spar me because they can spar with me at 80-90%. The top 20% are active fighters and have no feelings about me or anyone and simply wish to fight.
@RossiSlipStream -Fighting is 80% psychological and only 20% technique. You can win a fight without even throwing a punch. As a Thai practitioner, we focus heavily on the psychologies of fighting. Sometimes in class I will walk up to people and tell them "I'm going to punch you in the face today". Inexperienced people get scared, experienced people smile and shake my hand. Interestingly, whether I tell them I was going to or not punch them. Fact is I was going to punch them anyways.
@RossiSlipStream - To finally finish my story. I don't have much respect for Wing Chun. Its not because of art but the way people are trained in the art. Not many SIFU have real fight experience but they pretend they do. Anything less than 50 fights is not real experience for an instructor. But it also depends who they fought. Was it Pro or Amateur? What level of Pro? In Thailand you can be Pro tomorrow but doesn't mean you are any good. Talk to Ramon Dekkers he will tell you.
@iApna The way people are trained depends on whether it is the right way or wrong way, you cannot blame Wing Chun for it.
If you ever travel to China i suggest you visit the south, there is a huge amount of Pro warriors there and you will underdtand its principle.
About body rotation, this maximizes the punch and kick of a boxer but wc tuck there elbows in for maximal power and btw a experienced wing chunner punches sometimes he's gonna start breaking some necks or arms. Cont...
@iApna Chain Punch in wing chun is strong but its used rarerly. A Wing Chun fighters eliminate his oppenent asap. We dont focuss on knocking the oppenent out we are focussing on breaking parts of his body.
You are very passionate but if you are a true fighter with hearth you would respect every Art and not underestimate it. That can backfire before you see it coming. You wont see a [pro] WC fighter in the ring he would be DQ'ed immediately for braking someones arm.
@iApna Wing Chunners dont stick with rules like boxers we break and finish the oppenent asap thats why its effective on the streets.
To give you impression of what Wing Chun and hopefully you will understand it more.
Read the story of Ip Man (Mentor of Bruce Lee) and watch the Movies about him.
Also (if you are able to find it) read the story where he defeated the World Champion Boxer within 3 minutes and where he eliminated the Japanese Commander (Karate) in the time of war.
@iApna I know Semi Schilt better and i met his mother quite alot of times. I onced borrowed home videos of here of his training.
Badr Hari is a strong fighter but he can be unsporting sometimes, that is something i dislike majorly.
Yet i wont underestimate a ring sport or a martial art. I the past i practise boxing/jkd and Muay Boran. JKD i still practise today next to WC and my brother is a boxer so i also train with him.
For my experience i feel that WC is the best outcome. cont.
@iApna dude can you like not post replies or w/e your doing on the comment list? i mean as much as i like reading comments, i much rather see more than 1 other persons comment for pages :l
@RossiSlipStream - I don't have much respect for Wing Chun, but I do have a lot of respect for Sanda fighters. So don't make the assumption that I have a problem with Eastern Arts. Its not even Wing Chun that I have a problem with, but the shit SIFU's that teach it. Wing Chun is so damn rigid, the moment you break the principals, its like blasphemy. You can't expect apply the same bullshit Wing Chun principals to every fight situation. At least with MMA training you adapt.
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chun might be effective against unsuspecting inexperienced street thugs. But try that shit against someone who can fight. Unlike the 70's, 80's and 90's more and more people have access to better experienced trainers. I have sparred many Wing Chun practitioners amongst people from boxing, TKD, Karate, some crazy Tai Chi form that I never saw before, and its the Wing Chun guys that always fail. Why? The hardest to spar are boxers and wrestlers.
@iApna - Cont' - Experienced boxers have great hand speed, power, awesome footwork and great conditioning. They don't even have to hit you, to wear you down and dominate you. But of course you probably have no clue of what I'm talking about. Wrestlers, grapplers, etc.. are the ones to watch out for. They will break your spine, neck and limbs in seconds. Its a lot of fun training with real fighters unlike you fakes.
@EBB47 - Its only 7 seconds if your opponent doesn't have the skills to defend himself. Don't buy into the 7 second or 30 second fight scenario. You face someone with any fight experience, he might smash you for minutes, because thats how he is trained. These days its likely you will bump into an eager MMA fighter who will bait you into a fight, even bait you to swing first so he can claim self-defense just to get a little bit of training in.
@RossiSlipStream - So I might know very little of your beloved Wing Chun art, but I do know a thing or two about fighting and have met and sparred with enough to know there is something seriously wrong with this art.
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chun isn't the only art that focuses on teaching students to eliminate their opponents. But most SIFU from Wing Chun have zero fight experience themselves. Its like trying to learn how to fly a plane from someone who has never flown before. There are a few Wing Chun guys that have entered MMA fights, but they couldn't fight using 100% Wing Chun, that would be suicide. They had to resort to BJJ, wrestling, and Thai boxing. Wing Chun works against inexperienced fighters.
@MCBosmans as for you, you also fail in reading comprehensions, I clearly said that it will give you a ''Impression'' of what Wing Chun is.
The story of Ip Man was based on a true story, the fighting with the japanese karateka's was real. The assination attempt of Bruce Lee when 12 man tried to kill him with the group and he defeated them, was real.
Give your English and its comprehensions a better study, you still need much to learn.
@RossiSlipStream The fact that you place your link at the bottom of your message, underneath the sentence that states that Wing Chun is effective, makes you guilty for confusing the reader. You can't write down stuff that's not clear enough and blame others for not having proper English comprehension skills... I do agree that Wing Chun is brutally effective, if applied properly, but you're bringing the message the wrong way.
@MCBosmans I said it can be very effective on the streets, yet i understand your point. Sometimes reading a sentence can be harder to understand than actually listening to someone.
@mufucka1000 - LOL - Really? Manny would smash Wong. Just because Wong looks good throwing around his students, it doesn't mean he can actually fight. There is zero evidence Wong has even fought, or at least non that I have seen. Yet Manny has had 59+ fights, 54 Wins and 38 knockouts while he is wearing gloves. What would happen if Manny was allowed to punch bare fisted? He would put his hand through Wong's little skull.
@mufucka1000 - Let me ask you, what has Wong done or accomplished? He makes youtube videos. Who has he fought? Nobody worth mentioning. I can't believe people believe his crap.
@slanderskikio It depends on where you live, dude. When I was living in Spain I did south kung fu, but with Kubotan and Juken as weapons. It's more common to see Bo in shao'ling kung fu. So, I'f you are interested in Bo, try to search for shaolin. Anyway, if you have more questions, just send me a private message.
@iApna pot calling the kettle black, I don't have 100 comments of pure ignorance on this post. your a hater and I already called you out to beat your ass and all you had were excuses lol all you had to say was "its going to cost money and we have to set it up and fly my team out and this and that and do you have 10,000 dollars for the match" your some lame martial art newbie playing comment wars on youtube lol you dishonor your clan and school. your people are nothing.
@iApna My Kung Fu Brother is Chris "Machinegun" Moorings Muy Thai champion of the world for his weight class, my other Kung fu Brother is Isaah Savage who also has a world tilttle in muy thai, My other kung Fu Brother is Ernie Lopez who is apart of the Gracie clan from when they first started, my other kung fu brother is from japan and and is an Aikedo master name Hoylan, my master is Michael Lopez who is a master in wing chun kung fu and San Soo kung fu.
@iApna My master got his Masters from the Ip association and Ho Kim Ming, He also received his masters in San Soo from Jimmy Woo and Dave Carter. My master is in the Hall of Fame. I have been doing Martial arts for 20 fucking years and serious non public training not your gay ass public YMCA bull shit.
To those saying wing chun was started by ip man, no it wasnt because it says so in another documentary about ip man a wing chun , he just starts a school for it
@briancarrane i didnt know anyone even thought ip man made wing chun. wtf? just because you guys see a movie about him doesnt mean he invented it you fools
@waltzforest This comes from the show Human Weapon, which came on the History Channel around 2007. This particular section comes from the episode about Kung Fu.
lol really? wing chun was developed by a buddhist shaolin nun ng mui and taught yim wing chun the art..it's wing chun's husband who named the style after her after she died to honor her..google it, do some research before you gonna base your knowlegde on movies and tv
@ASirensSoliloquy no, wing chun actually originated from the indigenous people of north pole. It was initially a technically to break ice, and not to fight other humans. this stems from the people's philosophy in never attacking other human beings and it is how, after christopher columbus arrived in north pole in 1932, defeated the people of north pole and adopted the style "wing chun" this day as a self defense technique.
One day, Yim Wing Chun asked what it was called and since Ng Mui did not know where the other marital artists were and it was not given a name in the temple, she decided to name it after her disciple, Wing Chun. Wing Chun was a target of a man who sought to marry her, Yim Wing Chun refused to marry him, but he persisted to take her. Conclusively, she challenged the man, stating that if she were to lose the fight, she would marry him, though if she won, he would have to leave her at once.
(Hence Wing Chun being a concept-based Chinese combat art) Of the Kung Fu practitioners, one was named Ng Mui, she is one of the martial artists who fled from the temple. She took refuge in a man's home, Yim Yee, in Guang Si. She had no method of paying rent for the shelter but to her compromise, Yim Yee had a daughter, Yim Wing Chun, in return for her shelter she taught Yim Wing Chun the style.
This is where most people have difficulty finding trustworthy sources of exact information and whether this is all true or not. But, while the Kung Fu practitioners were underground and in the temple they decided to assemble all of the martial arts and form the ultimate Kung Fu, and with this they took from several Martials arts techniques and forms of principle-based arts.
Alright, so here we go.....18th century...Manchurian government ruled China....revolutionary groups of Kung Fu masters who acted in underground societies but soon after the Manchurians discovered their locations and chased them out with mass numbers. So the practitioners fled to the Siu Lim Gee (Shaolin in Mandarin) where they held refuge but it is assumed one of the people there betrayed them and let the Manchurians in the temple, so they all fled.
WING CHUN is the best martial art of all time. just consider: bruce lee learned it. anyone who disagrees deserves to commit suicide in real life... fuck all of yall who dont like wing chun. I hate you too
@Bregowald i love wing chun too but my master can defeat wing chun masters with one hand. i also think he could have defeated bruce lee. and there are no such things as superior martial arts. gawd how many times do i have to emphasize this
@iApna Mma guys have alot of skills. They are some of the most skilled external martial artist alive. I admit that. But their internal skills are lacking. Their understanding of the core principles are lacking. Their understanding of techniques are focused mainly on offensive application. Therefore you destroy opponents rather then neutralize them. It takes gteater skill to win without hurting an opponent. I can destroy a man. But in real life, what do you gain from that besides enemies.
@RaphaelFuentes - If knocking out our opponents and breaking their limbs is considered brutal then we are all guilty. Its true that we are trained to be more offensive than defense. Thats how I am trained in both Thai and MMA. I see no sense in taking risks with opponents, so might as well lay them out in the quickest way possible. If that means breaking our opponents collar bone, legs, ribs, cracking his skull, smashing his ribs, or driving my knee into his nuts, its all fair game.
@iApna that is exactly what you should do if the situation warrants it. But if a man can be beaten without that level of brutality. Would that not be better. Why work so hard to defeat an inferior opponent when you can walk away knowing you are in no danger. And if pressed, you can disable and neutralize with minimal physical effort. Empty strenght fades while inner strenght grows stronger.
@RaphaelFuentes - Who says it takes effort? It only takes effort if you're fighting someone who has superior skills than your own. Plus who wants to fight anyone less inferior? You would look like an ass and a bully if you fought someone less inferior. I would give that person every opportunity to walk away. If you're gonna fight, then fight someone who will challenge you. Otherwise you learn nothing and you risk everything. If attacked so then fine. Once again you don't understand us.
@iApna you seem to be confusing my point. By effort, I mean to say employing brutal methods against opponents that are beneath you is too much effort. You can't choose your enemies in real life. If pressed, action is required. If brutality is the only answer behind your fist to crush any man that comes against you. I say such a path expends too much physical effort to win. To answer force with the grain of a mustard seed is to overwealm without effort. The path of the asura is not for me.
just because you can dispatch an opponent wuth brutality, does not mean you should. I have nothing against mma guys and their methods. I just don't agree with their intention. But I will destroy an opponent if they prove themselves dangerous enough. But my intention is not their destruction. My fist is meant to protect and cultivate, not destroy.
but so you understand me. I am not a traditional martial artist. I don't adhere to any one style. I practice multiple arts myself. So I understand the practacality of your position. My original art, vee jistu is one of the most brutal systems in the world. So brutality is farmilar to me. Yet destroying a man is too easy, too empty. I love to fight, yet take no joy in hurting another. this is my path. Your path is yours and works for you. I hope it makes you strong.
@RaphaelFuentes - Traditionalist make a big deal about fighting, being attacked, etc... If you're taking martial-arts because you're afraid of being attacked and self-defense then you will always live in fear and will not learn the right way. Self-defense based martial-arts is very basic stuff. Not from a "technique" point of view, but from a fight psychological point of view.
@iApna you are absolutely correct. However, the martial arts that I have studied are all combat application. None stress self defense. We do not fear our enemies. We do not fear conflict. We end them as quickly as possible. I simply believe that brutality is not the quickest option. I do not unleash that wrath unless there is no choice. Do not mistake mercy as weakness. Or my stance as meaning I am in the self defense camp.
@RaphaelFuentes - You keep circling back to this brutality thing. It all depends on what you consider brutality to be. In our sparring class you can and likely will get a broken nose and ribs, I have had both. Others have had dislocated shoulders and messed up knees. Our sparring is brutal, imagine what we do on the street. For us brutality would be continuing to beat someone while they are out cold and unable to defend themselves. That would be cowardly and disrespectful.
@RaphaelFuentes - In our class 60% of students will receive a broken nose in the 2nd month of sparring. The first month we take care of our partner and show them the ropes. We allow them to hit us at 70%, we hit them back at 30%. After the 1st month, which would be approximately 30 light sparring matches, we raise our power to 50%-80%. Once in awhile we will go all out at 100% with caution. It takes a lot of control to do this. But we are trained to maintain control hence offensive training.
@RaphaelFuentes - We are brutal to each other in class. What chance does a street fighter have? None. People will just need to learn not to mess with MMA fighters.
@iApna You are correct. The conditions you describe will create great fighters. I don't disaree with your point. My idea of brutal action is if that action could have been replaced with something else..
For instance, guy throws left jab, response right horizontal block on the elbow joint to break arm, step in left elbow to orbital bone, breaks orbital bone. Brutal response. Or guys throws left jab, response, right arm redirects jab, left hand grabs his left elbow while right hand grips and twist left wrist, spin to left in same motion while applying downward pressure on joints, drop weight and enter wide horse stance to remove them from their feet. opponent immobilzed.
The latter response is efficent and less brutal. The opponent is under control. No bone need to be broken. no further action required. You use the opponent's aggression against them saving your only energy. thereby defeating them with minimal effort. That is what I mean by effort and brutal action. The less brutal route requires more skill to sucessfully pull off. The brutal route is effective and can be learned easier and faster. the difference is intention.
So what I'm saying is that after twenty plus years of training, I no longer have to brutalalize an opponent to defeat them. I have worked hard to reach the point where I can use my sensitivity and skill to deal with an opponent. What MMA gym guys do works. What I do works. Im just saying in my eyes what I am striving for as a martial artist is not the same thing as most of the mma gym crowd. I do not train just for the sake of battle. I want to become the art, not immitate it.
@coupwolf - The pot calling the kettle black hahaha - My Thai instructor has his 5th or 6th Dan in some form of TKD, cannot recall. In my MMA club there are a couple of Hapkido instructors that train with us and do compete in MMA. In my MMA club we have people of many backgrounds, including former Wing Chun students, Kyokushin Karate, Judo, wrestling, boxing, some crazy form of Tai Chi, even Arnis instructors. Not to mention bikers, bouncers, cops and ex military. Interesting huh?
@iApna that's all you ever have to say you troll, your spam. Your the reason why real good martial arts aren't taught publicly, just watered down bullshit. Your a poor pathetic troll with no real names or gyms to back your word up. just a buch of talk like some little school girl. and if you train so much how are you on here so much?
@coupwolf - LOL!! Your a little dick sucking, anal licking piece of shit. All you Wing Chunner's claim how Wing Chun is the end-all-be-all then talk shit how MMA is only for the cage. I respond to idiot posts by assholes like you who claim MMA is useless on the street. You fuckers claim street fighting but are afraid of your own shadows. Yes I do train, but I work as an Engineer full-time, which puts me in front my computer.
@iApna then get back to work, you fuck. you should be doing some of your watered down bullshit when your off the job rather than being a poor pathetic troll. little school girl. look at this strand of pubic hair thinking he's hot shit
@iApna It finally makes sense, your a computer nerd lol. lame little troll. How does it not make sense. lol you crack me up now, before I was a bit frustrated but now I know your fake and probably on your rag lol
@coupwolf - Oh you got me!! I'm no fake bros. hahaha .... But whats more important is how easily you're frustrated. If you get frustrated by messages left on boards like this, then you certainly are a McDojo Practitioner. Probably a 15 year old kid that plays video games all day long. hahahah That said, don't let anyone take up any room in your little head. Otherwise you will struggle throughout life, wasting time on un-important topics.
@RaphaelFuentes - Traditionalist take note, while you are practicing kata/forms, the new generation of fighters are learning to fight. You will not understand us until you train with us and we welcome all to come join us. We are always looking for motivated individuals who want to learn how to really train to be a fighter. We can't learn unless we face someone better than us and lays us out. Come smash us please!!
@coupwolf The styles I mentioned are the common styles employed by most professional MMA guys. I already know what mma means. But training to be an mma guy and mastering various martial arts styles are different in terms of Wu and Wei. A mma guy will learn the techniques and absorb them trying to fill in the gaps of his weakness. While someone learning various martial art styles will strive to master and understand the principles, becoming the art. the mindset and results are different
Wu is the physical pursuit of the martial skill. Wei is the mental cultivation of the martial art itself. A mma guy is obsessed with the physical pursuit of perfection, A true martial artist places greater concern with the spiritual and mental pursuit of perfection. To master one's art is to understand it completely. Fighting for the sake of fighting does not accomplish this. That is why I call a mma guy different from someone who practice more then one art. It is the intention.
I see mma guys as different. These are people who train only for the sake of fighting. That makes them excellent warriors but they fail as martial artist. The martial arts are a tool of self cultivation, meant to uplift soceity. How the hell does ground and pound, tap out or bone break, and beating the hell out of your fellow man accomplish that? So yes a mma guy is different than a true martial artist. A true martial art defeats an enemy with skill, not brutality.
@RaphaelFuentes - I was agreeing with you up to the point where MMA guys only train for the sake of fighting. Then you opened your big fuckin mouth and say "A true martial art defeats an enemy with skill, not brutality". Are you suggesting an MMA fighter has no skills? MMA fighters have far more skills than the average martial-artist. But yes we train for all out brutality of our opponents. Our only desire is to bury our opponents.
@RaphaelFuentes - That said some MMA fighters are true martial-artist and some are not. Some only train to be fighters, some train to become well rounded martial-artist. But we all share a common desire, which is to learn to be the best that we can be.
And I have noticed that most MMA fighters have crappy foot work. It irritates the living hell out of me because they don't move like water. Its GARBAGE! Has anyone ever seen an opponent only uses one hand to fight and switches off every now and then? I'VE SEEN IT! (O_O)
I hate people that bring up MMA and UFC in youtube comments. I do both MMA and self defense Martial arts, so I have seen both sides of the coin. Martial arts like Karate and Wing Chun are Martial Arts designed to KILL PEOPLE. MMA is not.
Great stuff, but it still doesn't stand up to BJJ and Tai kick-boxing.
cigarzan 4 days ago
@cigarzan You do realize the styles you mentioned probably derived from Kung Fu in the first place? It isn't the style it is the individual.
superwelshgandalf 4 days ago
@cigarzan thats why you learn all three, and the way I see it. If you're fast enough you can pull of any style on anyone. Like people have said before and what people who don't know need to realize that it's the fighter, not the fighting style. There is no such thing as an ultimate fighting style, there is always ways to beat all styles, like chess. there is always a way to win.
kbjunior1 4 days ago
whtas the name of this program, because it was on tv a few years ago
THE122138 4 days ago
Siu Nim Tao is the foundation of Wing Chun. Grandmaster Master Ip Man will practice it an hour daily. Every student or practitioner should master it to understanding and applying the next to forms.
POC777 6 days ago
1 round with badr hari... then we ll see
gr8performens 1 week ago
@gr8performens Wing Chun is incredibly lethal, Badr performes a fighting sport Wing Chun is a Martial Art. If Badr confronts a Sifu like Wang ZhiPeng or Ip Chun he will get elemanated in a quick manner.
Badr has incredible amount of strenght, for a Wing Chun master that is the ideal opponent.
Wing Chun punch is like a bullet, when you drop the bullet it doesnt harm you, when you fire it can damage or even kill you.
Wing Chun is deadly, experience it one time and we will see.
RossiSlipStream 1 week ago
@gr8performens We will see that Mr Hari can get seriously injured or worst.
Let him fight with likes like a Donnie Yen, Jackie Chan or This Sifu (Master) for that matter.
Wing Chun is incredibly deadly and the power the fighter uses is ten times more powerful than the avarage muscle and punching power that we see in K1, Kick boxing or boxing for that matter.
Not to down Badr Hari, he's incredibly strong and he is a dangerous fighter.
RossiSlipStream 6 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - Get real bros. You're comparing Wing Chun McDojo Nobodies to one of the worlds best strikers. You don't see Badr running scared or any of the fighters in the ring or Cage. Yet we don't see any Wing Chun practitioners even close to fighting at his level. Btw... Don't even bring up the street vs ring bullshit. Thats an excuse Wing Chun SIFU's come up with to retain their students.
/watch?v=hVnNrbtLuoM
iApna 6 days ago
@iApna As for your information, i know Badr personally, Remy Bonjaski, Semi Schilt and Peter Aerts to, as i am a Dutch individual who is witnessing the training they are doing.
Seen your ignorance and lack of decent vocabulary, KickBoxing (K1) is a ring sport, Wing Chun is a Martial Arts wich was used in the war. You are underestimating this Art my friend, you don't know nor ever experienced it, you just watch Youtube videos.
Dont be a Youtube scholar, experience some fierce Kung Fu.
RossiSlipStream 3 days ago
@iApna Still.. Badr Hari is a real warrior in the ring, obviously his attitude is sometimes a bit shameful but he fights brutal.
Thank you for the video clip, it's a decent compelation.
This video will give you a impression what Wing Chun is, WC is deadly and you have to eliminate your enemy asap, its lightning fast and very brute. You use Chi (Energy) instead of arm strenght, If you know Chi you can do a thumb push ups.
WC is very effective on the streets i must say.
watch?v=QTa2ImkHsB0
RossiSlipStream 3 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - You respond with a stupid clip from a video? How about a real damn fight? A real fight like this one: /watch?v=DQcYmDg6M-8
Regardless if K1 (kickboxing) or even Muay-Thai, MMA is for ring or cage fighting, it all can be adapted for the street. Plus, you want to compare real fight training to Wing Chun McDojo training? Wing Chun is quite junior and if it had any credibility of being warrior level training then it would be proven as such, but it hasn't.
iApna 3 days ago
@iApna You don't read therefore your reading comprehensions are at a low point.
I clearly said it will give you a IMPRESSION of what Wing Chun is.
And for your information, it is Bruce Lee who leveled up the Wing Chun status in the west, as he was using it quite alot of times, he then later created Jeet Kune Do wich MMA (UFC) takes his inspiration off.
Wing Chun is quite junior? this illiterate and foolish nonsence displays your utter stupidity. Go to your local WC gym and challenge a Sifu.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - Look dick sucker, Bruce Lee is a bad example to give, because by the time he died his Wing Chun was non-existent. Plus how many years of training did he have? 5? Also because I train at a MMA club, I have sparred many Wing Chun practitioners that have left that Crap art, including One SIFU. In respect to the SIFU, he at least was trying to learn. I didn't take a chance with the SIFU, so I took him down and submitted him immediately, then changed sparring partners.
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna Where do you think MMA originated from?
And why do you curse me out? Can you then not handle my vocabluary and train of tought.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - You live in a fantasy world where you think what you see in a movie is reality. What have you posted that has given any credibility to Wing Chun? A fuckin movie clip? Go back to your McDojo idiot.
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna You are acting like a insecure lady who needs to stay in the kitchen.
We do not rain at Dojo's but a Kwun's. We train with people whom practise Muay Boran and we do Wing Chun.
Wing Chun is effective and i respect other fighting sports.
Wing Chun was used in the chinese war, its a martial art. Just look at the sifu on this video, he aint even musceler but 1 punch is lethal.
The facts that you respond like a illiterate fool tells me you dont know nothing about Martial Arts.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - I don't give a shit what you categorize Wing Chun as. Just go back to your McDojo and hide like the rest of them. Wing Chun's only claim to fame was Bruce Lee who himself dropped Wing Chun after 5 years.
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna I mean... you're a Youtube Scholar. this cant get any worse (lol).
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - He is this what you're proud of?
/watch?v=v7KxuDYfpSQ
/watch?v=PgswuXGYzKY - btw.. Boztepe sidestepped the UFC what asked to fight research it.
/watch?v=5AKFNCIJdvA
/watch?v=QyHbHcrfWy4 - They claim the Wing Chun fighter is 14-0 hahahah. I think they got the numbers wrong and should have been 0-14.
Ya great stuff buddy! Are you going to post another movie clip for me?. Try to find something legit, or a Wing Chun fighter at Badr's level in experience - NO CHANCE!!
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna Why are you justifying your points with Youtube videos, you make a complete miserable fool out of yourself. I know Badr is strong. As i said earlier i know him personally, just like Remy Bonjaski, Semi Schilt and Peter Aertou.
I've seem Badr fight and train but atleast he respects the eastern Martial Arts unlike you.
You just dont understand therefore you incable of processing thought correctly. You still need to develop a certain conciousness. Scholing Youtube wont help you out.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - First I don't believe you know any of the dutch boys personally. Sure you might know them in passing. But thats no different than me knowing Ramon Dekkers, because I did take lessons from him including many others. Second, you haven't posted anything that supports the credibility of Wing Chun. But, I completely understand why you can't. There is no proof of Wing Chun's theories working on the street. How many SIFU have real fight experience? perhaps 0.0001%?
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna You did lessons with Ramon Dekkers? I sincerely hope you are dutch and live in Holland therefore we can spar between eachother respectfully and peacefully and set a point behind this irrelevant conversation once and for all.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - I wish I lived in Holland so that I can train with Golden Glory. But yes I have trained with Ramon Dekkers, Coban, Bas Rutten, various other Thai's - All just mostly seminars. I'm also planning on going to Thailand for a couple of months if my employer allows it. But my Thai coach is always bringing coaches from Thailand for us to train with while we prepare for fights. I used to fight much more often, but its hard to get 6 hours a day training and work full-time.
iApna 1 day ago
@iApna Would be great jf you lived here, you would be more than welcome at our Kwun.
We train together with Muay Boran fighters, i think you know that particular martial arts and when we have to spar then we gonna simulate street situations.
It variates between 3 vs 3 or 1 vs 3. 50% hardness 50% Technique.
Trust me mate, Wing Chun is very lethal, if you can try to experience it one time. Do it! You would not regret it.
If you go to Thailand i wish you great succes in your journey.
RossiSlipStream 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - In both Muay-Thai and MMA class we spar at 80% power, 2-8 minute rounds depending on what the focus is for about 30 minutes to an hour depending on the day. But before we even get to spar there its usually a 2-3 hour class of conditioning, technique work, drills, etc... For sparring gear, its a mouth guard, cup either 10-14oz boxing gloves, or 6oz open fingered MMA gloves. Again depends on focus of the class.
iApna 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - Also when I say 80% power in sparring it depends on who is sparring. Noobs off the street don't know how to fight, spar, etc.. So they don't know how to control themselves and end up going 100%. But they are usually quite weak in my opinion, so their 100% feels like 30-40% to me. 80% power from a Pro-fighter will break your nose, ribs, if they land a clean shot, unless you have the conditioning to take the hits. This is the level I train at, because I learn best this way.
iApna 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - Many Wing Chun practitioners don't know what its like to even spar with pro fighters. Or the power they can deliver into your body. There are different levels of pros as well. I don't have the conditioning or skill to spar the likes of old school Mike Tyson for example or Coban. Their 70-80% power would knock out and hospitalize most people. But entry level Pro fighters yes because I train with them all the time.
iApna 1 day ago
@iApna Trust me mate there are definitely wing chunners out there who faught pro fighters.
Basically Wing Chun is not suited for ring, when my Sifu who is a dutch champion in MMA and a Wing Chun practisioner for over 26 years. He had to fight a Sanda guy in the ring, he finished ot within a minute. He was so accurate and fast. Later that evening we messaured his punching speed. he dilivered ten center punches within 1 second.
And thats the danger of WC its so fast you dont see it coming
RossiSlipStream 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chunners fought Pro fighters? Who? I know of only 1 person, but uses BJJ almost exclusively and Wing Chun striking only to get close so that he tackle his opponent. Trying to fight a Lumpini level 10 fighter - LOL. Their 50% will put you in the hospital.
iApna 1 day ago
@iApna Wing Chun is a close quater combat when the fighter is out of a two arms reach the Wing Chunner wont evem blink because the oppent isnt in his danger circle but when the oppennt tries to strike him with whatever move, the wing chunner is going to fininish it off.
We are like water when we only have contact with the opponents hand we stick to it relax our body (dont strenght it) and we deliver our combos bullet fast.
Flow like water and the philosophy of the Crow and the Cobra.
RossiSlipStream 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chun for close quarter combat sure, if you say so. Wing Chun practitioners will blink, and will not close the gap because most have ZERO fight experience. Doing drills in class, forms and sparring at 50% does not translate to real fighting. Sounds like Wing Chun students train with too many rules. Realistically you should be sparring at 80% with semi-pro fighters minimum. With every match your opponent should be hitting you with enough power to break your nose.
iApna 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream you as well stop spamming the pages, pose it on his channel or something
TheYesman71 12 hours ago
@TheYesman71 I'm already done mate. I understand your point.
RossiSlipStream 10 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - You're only as good as the people around you. So if nobody in your club is training at the Pro-level then you are missing out. I also spar many black belts, one guy who has 25+ years of Kyokushin Karate and instructor. Its a war between him and I every time we spar. Also a crazy TKD guy, who is always trying to knock me out with stupid spin kicks. He has never succeeded and ends up on his ass each time. But this is fighters training not noob self-defense stuff.
iApna 1 day ago
@iApna Thats the thing, in Wing Chun we dont buy 7 seconds or less, break or eliminate your oppenent within 3 seconds.
We train in. The Source Team so every night you will go home with a busted finger or a bloody nose so when its sparring time it is basically balls to the wall. The Source Team is the real deal.
In the beginnig of the session we train MMA ground techniques then we train our forms than we are going to spar with the muayfighters and with our fighters. Die hard but eff cool
RossiSlipStream 1 day ago
@iApna To finish the story.
Wing Chun is not self defense its a offensive/deffensive your defend out of offense.
We relax our punches and we use the chi for cevere blows. In this video the one punch of that skinny and little master Wang ZhiPeng is the best example, yet he was merely taking it easy with his student.
And Wing Chun is recognized to be the fastest Martial Arts in the world, and out of fast you get power.
If you have a bullet it wont harm you but when you fire it? Thats WC
RossiSlipStream 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - Ok,
- Wing Chun has speed in punches but zero speed in footwork.
- Wing Chun punches are fast, but very little torque. Its just arm punching. Therefore little power.
- Muay-Thai is recognized to be the best striking art in the world.
- Boxers are known to have the hardest punches
If Wing Chun striking was effective, we would see it used in the cage, even if it was just used to punch someone in the chest or face. Thats all you need right, because its so effective right?
iApna 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - Power is rate of performing work. It is a measure of how much energy is created in each second that passes, the size of the force applied and the velocity at which it is applied.
Power {(Force × Distance) ÷ Time} represents the product of strength and speed of movement expressed in Watts. Where Force is measured in Newtons (1kg=10N), the Distance in metres and Time in seconds.
Wing Chun arm striking, vs a boxer body rotation? Watch Badr Hmm... Boxer wins.
iApna 1 day ago
@iApna You're being egotisitical again mate. Never would i underestemate the power of a other fighter thats hypocrticial and Stupid.
You making it up that Badr will run away, the guy is a ruthless and strong fighter you are making it up that He is afraid of us. Im merely telling what Wing Chun is not that it can defeat Badr Hari. You are twisting the storie mate. Please be honest and not egotistical.
RossiSlipStream 23 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - Good luck with your training. Maybe spar Badr, he has less experience than your SIFU, he should be easy for Wing Chun strikers right? Your hard punches will make Badr run right? Tell Badr Hari he is no match for the striking power of Wing Chun and you want to spar him to prove it. When he stops laughing, he might entertain you. He has one more fight tomorrow, so he might take time off after this.
iApna 1 day ago
@iApna Some good videos of Wing Chun, Im impressrd with these people. And looking at the comments i think im not the only one.
Note: Im not trying to prove that with these vids that WC is the best im merely showing u what it really is. Enjoy watching.
/watch?v=gBn_8bjjoxY
/watch?v=JbNETKezmns.(Yip Man a week before his death whilst suffering from cancer) "beautfiul forms of real WC"
RossiSlipStream 22 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - I'm rarely impressed with drills. I know all to well that anyone can look great during demonstrations, drills and practicing on less experienced fighters. I'm also not impressed with the artistic forms of M-Arts regardless of source. Those clips you posted impress you and some how you believe this can translate to street fighting. But what impresses me, is real application of skills.
/watch?v=Nb5lQtv7_xg
iApna 14 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - MMA, Muay-Thai, boxing granted is not street fighting. But its the closest one can get before criminal charges could be applied. Street fighters come into our MMA and Thai clubs all the time, weekly. They are very eager to fight. Some are very tough because of their background of being security guards, police officers, bouncers, etc. But we lay them out quickly, because they don't understand what fighting is about.
iApna 14 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - Too many inexperienced people translate fighting to an expression of anger and rage. Which do nothing but cloud your judgement. I'm never concerned about my opponent, I am more concerned about my own ability to express myself, with no emotion. Sure I come across cocky, but words are the ultimate strategy in clouding someone judgement.
iApna 14 hours ago
@iApna You like Muay thai i like Wing Chun.
End of this pointless storie.
Enjoy your day.
RossiSlipStream 10 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - In sparring or real fighting you can win simply by provoking your opponent with words, causing them to cloud their own judgement with anger and rage. Once you accomplish this task, your opponents heart rate, goes up and automatically starts to fatigue himself. Now you just have to wait for your opponent to express himself while you keep completely calm with zero emotion. Words are the ultimate weapons of distraction.
iApna 14 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - Try this next time you're in class - When you have personally experienced a very tough class, completely exhausting. Walk up to who you think is one of the toughest guys in class and tell him "This class was kind of easy, do you want to spar". In my class, 50% of people do not wish to spar me. The other 30% love to spar me because they can spar with me at 80-90%. The top 20% are active fighters and have no feelings about me or anyone and simply wish to fight.
iApna 14 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream -Fighting is 80% psychological and only 20% technique. You can win a fight without even throwing a punch. As a Thai practitioner, we focus heavily on the psychologies of fighting. Sometimes in class I will walk up to people and tell them "I'm going to punch you in the face today". Inexperienced people get scared, experienced people smile and shake my hand. Interestingly, whether I tell them I was going to or not punch them. Fact is I was going to punch them anyways.
iApna 14 hours ago
@RossiSlipStream - To finally finish my story. I don't have much respect for Wing Chun. Its not because of art but the way people are trained in the art. Not many SIFU have real fight experience but they pretend they do. Anything less than 50 fights is not real experience for an instructor. But it also depends who they fought. Was it Pro or Amateur? What level of Pro? In Thailand you can be Pro tomorrow but doesn't mean you are any good. Talk to Ramon Dekkers he will tell you.
iApna 1 day ago
@iApna The way people are trained depends on whether it is the right way or wrong way, you cannot blame Wing Chun for it.
If you ever travel to China i suggest you visit the south, there is a huge amount of Pro warriors there and you will underdtand its principle.
About body rotation, this maximizes the punch and kick of a boxer but wc tuck there elbows in for maximal power and btw a experienced wing chunner punches sometimes he's gonna start breaking some necks or arms. Cont...
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@iApna Chain Punch in wing chun is strong but its used rarerly. A Wing Chun fighters eliminate his oppenent asap. We dont focuss on knocking the oppenent out we are focussing on breaking parts of his body.
You are very passionate but if you are a true fighter with hearth you would respect every Art and not underestimate it. That can backfire before you see it coming. You wont see a [pro] WC fighter in the ring he would be DQ'ed immediately for braking someones arm.
RossiSlipStream 22 hours ago
@iApna Wing Chunners dont stick with rules like boxers we break and finish the oppenent asap thats why its effective on the streets.
To give you impression of what Wing Chun and hopefully you will understand it more.
Read the story of Ip Man (Mentor of Bruce Lee) and watch the Movies about him.
Also (if you are able to find it) read the story where he defeated the World Champion Boxer within 3 minutes and where he eliminated the Japanese Commander (Karate) in the time of war.
RossiSlipStream 22 hours ago
@iApna I know Semi Schilt better and i met his mother quite alot of times. I onced borrowed home videos of here of his training.
Badr Hari is a strong fighter but he can be unsporting sometimes, that is something i dislike majorly.
Yet i wont underestimate a ring sport or a martial art. I the past i practise boxing/jkd and Muay Boran. JKD i still practise today next to WC and my brother is a boxer so i also train with him.
For my experience i feel that WC is the best outcome. cont.
RossiSlipStream 22 hours ago
@iApna But that is what i've experienced so i can judge it, i didnt see it or speculate it and then judge no. That way you will never find out.
For what you have told me i think you are a well trained fighter and i respect that, but you assume things wich isnt correct.
Surely there must be a Wing Chun kwun in your town or a city close, just visit or do a trail period for training.
I wish you the best of luck in your training.
RossiSlipStream 22 hours ago
@iApna dude can you like not post replies or w/e your doing on the comment list? i mean as much as i like reading comments, i much rather see more than 1 other persons comment for pages :l
TheYesman71 12 hours ago
@TheYesman71 - I agree - This conversation has gone on too long and I will agree to disagree with this guy.
iApna 12 hours ago
@iApna Or i invite you at one of the Kwun's i train so that you can experience Wing Chun and study its philosophy.
I think that would be a great idea.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - I don't have much respect for Wing Chun, but I do have a lot of respect for Sanda fighters. So don't make the assumption that I have a problem with Eastern Arts. Its not even Wing Chun that I have a problem with, but the shit SIFU's that teach it. Wing Chun is so damn rigid, the moment you break the principals, its like blasphemy. You can't expect apply the same bullshit Wing Chun principals to every fight situation. At least with MMA training you adapt.
iApna 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chun might be effective against unsuspecting inexperienced street thugs. But try that shit against someone who can fight. Unlike the 70's, 80's and 90's more and more people have access to better experienced trainers. I have sparred many Wing Chun practitioners amongst people from boxing, TKD, Karate, some crazy Tai Chi form that I never saw before, and its the Wing Chun guys that always fail. Why? The hardest to spar are boxers and wrestlers.
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna - Cont' - Experienced boxers have great hand speed, power, awesome footwork and great conditioning. They don't even have to hit you, to wear you down and dominate you. But of course you probably have no clue of what I'm talking about. Wrestlers, grapplers, etc.. are the ones to watch out for. They will break your spine, neck and limbs in seconds. Its a lot of fun training with real fighters unlike you fakes.
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna Deny much... You can not judge something on what you think.
You never experinced it therdefore you can not judge it.
Take my advice, go to a local Kwun and experience Wing Chun and since you are a king of having a big mouth on the Internet. Record it.
You just a fight a wing chunner who practise it for 4 months, i cannot wait already see it already.
I wanna see action mate, everybody can run there mouths but only losers are running their mouths.
I wanna see deeds not words.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@iApna Wing chun is won't work in a ring... there's no game plan to a 7 sec assualt on the street.
EBB47 1 day ago
@EBB47 - Its only 7 seconds if your opponent doesn't have the skills to defend himself. Don't buy into the 7 second or 30 second fight scenario. You face someone with any fight experience, he might smash you for minutes, because thats how he is trained. These days its likely you will bump into an eager MMA fighter who will bait you into a fight, even bait you to swing first so he can claim self-defense just to get a little bit of training in.
iApna 1 day ago
@RossiSlipStream - So I might know very little of your beloved Wing Chun art, but I do know a thing or two about fighting and have met and sparred with enough to know there is something seriously wrong with this art.
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna Correction: Peter Aerts.*
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@iApna (facepalm) its better you just shut it mate, you make yourself look like a complete idiot.
Underestimating Wing Chun is probably one of the biggest mistakes you can ever ever make.
eppsislike 2 days ago
@eppsislike - Why don't you shut fuck up? Or the rest of the Wing Chun pussies who claim MMA and Thai is only meant for the cage or ring?
iApna 2 days ago
@iApna Shut it bitch and make me a sandwich.
eppsislike 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream - Wing Chun isn't the only art that focuses on teaching students to eliminate their opponents. But most SIFU from Wing Chun have zero fight experience themselves. Its like trying to learn how to fly a plane from someone who has never flown before. There are a few Wing Chun guys that have entered MMA fights, but they couldn't fight using 100% Wing Chun, that would be suicide. They had to resort to BJJ, wrestling, and Thai boxing. Wing Chun works against inexperienced fighters.
iApna 3 days ago
@iApna But you see here is where you fail yet again.
You don't understand the philosophy of Wing Chun because you never experienced it. You are studying Youtube videos wich makes you a Youtube scholar.
I cant even take your comments seriously, you obviously dont realize that what you are ventilating is not on point and doesnt make sence at all.
If you think Wing Chun is Junior, just challenge a practisioner or a sifu.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream Are you honestly using a scene from a movie to prove that Wing Chun is effective? please...
If the real Yip Man would have a real fight against ten karate black belts, he would be smart and run away.
MCBosmans 3 days ago
@MCBosmans as for you, you also fail in reading comprehensions, I clearly said that it will give you a ''Impression'' of what Wing Chun is.
The story of Ip Man was based on a true story, the fighting with the japanese karateka's was real. The assination attempt of Bruce Lee when 12 man tried to kill him with the group and he defeated them, was real.
Give your English and its comprehensions a better study, you still need much to learn.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
@RossiSlipStream The fact that you place your link at the bottom of your message, underneath the sentence that states that Wing Chun is effective, makes you guilty for confusing the reader. You can't write down stuff that's not clear enough and blame others for not having proper English comprehension skills... I do agree that Wing Chun is brutally effective, if applied properly, but you're bringing the message the wrong way.
MCBosmans 2 days ago
@MCBosmans I said it can be very effective on the streets, yet i understand your point. Sometimes reading a sentence can be harder to understand than actually listening to someone.
Atleast you know how effective Wing Chun can be.
RossiSlipStream 2 days ago
2:29 Look at those punches! DAMN!
806TO713 1 week ago
Master Wong vs Manny Pacquiao..who would win?
mufucka1000 1 week ago
@mufucka1000 - LOL - Really? Manny would smash Wong. Just because Wong looks good throwing around his students, it doesn't mean he can actually fight. There is zero evidence Wong has even fought, or at least non that I have seen. Yet Manny has had 59+ fights, 54 Wins and 38 knockouts while he is wearing gloves. What would happen if Manny was allowed to punch bare fisted? He would put his hand through Wong's little skull.
iApna 1 week ago
@mufucka1000 - Let me ask you, what has Wong done or accomplished? He makes youtube videos. Who has he fought? Nobody worth mentioning. I can't believe people believe his crap.
/watch?v=9HZ-XkecVfg&
iApna 1 week ago
@iApna I was joking...I know Manny would win...it was a rhetorical question
mufucka1000 1 week ago
IM FUCKING TIRED OF YOUTUBE COMMERCIALS!!!
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@kofkok - install adblock to your browser its free..
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@kofkok if you have safari or chrome you can get adblocker, it blocks most ads i don't know wether there is one for firefox but most likly
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@kofkok Look up ad block plus
RickAstleyZ 1 week ago
@kofkok if you would rather pay a subscription fee I'm sure they would be glad to get rid of them...
TheMortagzerch 2 days ago
*master Wang* I'd love that name..
Mrgriffo100 1 week ago
Let's all stop talking about dick sucking and just appreciate martial arts. Please?
SilverWolf7777777 2 weeks ago
@slanderskikio I would recommend either the tiger fists or the bear-eagle.
goddamnrickli 2 weeks ago
Guys, i'm looking for a Northen Sytle of Kung fu, with weapons training as well. Any suggestions?????
slanderskikio 2 weeks ago
@slanderskikio Northern prayin mantis is what i do
check out "NY wutang" here on youtube if you want
veothrax 2 weeks ago
@slanderskikio It depends on where you live, dude. When I was living in Spain I did south kung fu, but with Kubotan and Juken as weapons. It's more common to see Bo in shao'ling kung fu. So, I'f you are interested in Bo, try to search for shaolin. Anyway, if you have more questions, just send me a private message.
Defeshh 2 weeks ago
Punch your appreantice like this is wrong. He is a bad master
Enkelinsiivet 3 weeks ago
That's amazing!!!!
N13Shimazu 3 weeks ago
86 people are boxers
AnticosmosOverload 3 weeks ago 12
@AnticosmosOverload sht one too
dragonode1 1 week ago
i wanna learn it more
irsyadsaputra 3 weeks ago
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@iApna pot calling the kettle black, I don't have 100 comments of pure ignorance on this post. your a hater and I already called you out to beat your ass and all you had were excuses lol all you had to say was "its going to cost money and we have to set it up and fly my team out and this and that and do you have 10,000 dollars for the match" your some lame martial art newbie playing comment wars on youtube lol you dishonor your clan and school. your people are nothing.
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@iApna My Kung Fu Brother is Chris "Machinegun" Moorings Muy Thai champion of the world for his weight class, my other Kung fu Brother is Isaah Savage who also has a world tilttle in muy thai, My other kung Fu Brother is Ernie Lopez who is apart of the Gracie clan from when they first started, my other kung fu brother is from japan and and is an Aikedo master name Hoylan, my master is Michael Lopez who is a master in wing chun kung fu and San Soo kung fu.
coupwolf 4 weeks ago
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@iApna My master got his Masters from the Ip association and Ho Kim Ming, He also received his masters in San Soo from Jimmy Woo and Dave Carter. My master is in the Hall of Fame. I have been doing Martial arts for 20 fucking years and serious non public training not your gay ass public YMCA bull shit.
coupwolf 4 weeks ago
To those saying wing chun was started by ip man, no it wasnt because it says so in another documentary about ip man a wing chun , he just starts a school for it
briancarrane 1 month ago
@briancarrane i didnt know anyone even thought ip man made wing chun. wtf? just because you guys see a movie about him doesnt mean he invented it you fools
StopFlaggingVideos 1 month ago
@briancarrane It was Ng Mui, I think thats how you spell it. Hey My dad has his Masters from the Ip Man Association.
coupwolf 2 weeks ago
What show is this?? I would like to watch the full documentary..
waltzforest 1 month ago
@waltzforest This comes from the show Human Weapon, which came on the History Channel around 2007. This particular section comes from the episode about Kung Fu.
BaiLong45 3 weeks ago
Whin chun was not started by Ip man
Donsim22 1 month ago 2
@Donsim22 obv
floosh001 1 month ago
This is good for your self and defense
orgalion1 1 month ago
No you're wrong. Wing Chun was started by Ip Man.
ASirensSoliloquy 1 month ago
@ASirensSoliloquy
lol really? wing chun was developed by a buddhist shaolin nun ng mui and taught yim wing chun the art..it's wing chun's husband who named the style after her after she died to honor her..google it, do some research before you gonna base your knowlegde on movies and tv
TenTonTommy777 1 month ago
@TenTonTommy777 Everything in movies and in TV is true. Google is a joke.
ASirensSoliloquy 1 month ago
@ASirensSoliloquy no, wing chun actually originated from the indigenous people of north pole. It was initially a technically to break ice, and not to fight other humans. this stems from the people's philosophy in never attacking other human beings and it is how, after christopher columbus arrived in north pole in 1932, defeated the people of north pole and adopted the style "wing chun" this day as a self defense technique.
SASJKL 1 month ago 2
@SASJKL Makes so much sense now... it's like the puzzle is complete!
Garenny 1 month ago
@ASirensSoliloquy No. He made wing chun famous during his prime before bruce lee.
just like MJ with his moonwalking but they all come from somewhere.
BBoy2Galoo 3 weeks ago
@BBoy2Galoo Wrong.
ASirensSoliloquy 3 weeks ago
@ASirensSoliloquy proof
BBoy2Galoo 2 weeks ago
"Yeah and he hit him right in the solar plexus and we got to see him puke over the Great Wall of China."
mhtpk1989 1 month ago
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The man believed the task would be effortless and accepted, Yim Wing Chun inordinately defeated him.
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xXxTheOnlyDreamerxXx 1 month ago
One day, Yim Wing Chun asked what it was called and since Ng Mui did not know where the other marital artists were and it was not given a name in the temple, she decided to name it after her disciple, Wing Chun. Wing Chun was a target of a man who sought to marry her, Yim Wing Chun refused to marry him, but he persisted to take her. Conclusively, she challenged the man, stating that if she were to lose the fight, she would marry him, though if she won, he would have to leave her at once.
xXxTheOnlyDreamerxXx 1 month ago
(Hence Wing Chun being a concept-based Chinese combat art) Of the Kung Fu practitioners, one was named Ng Mui, she is one of the martial artists who fled from the temple. She took refuge in a man's home, Yim Yee, in Guang Si. She had no method of paying rent for the shelter but to her compromise, Yim Yee had a daughter, Yim Wing Chun, in return for her shelter she taught Yim Wing Chun the style.
xXxTheOnlyDreamerxXx 1 month ago
This is where most people have difficulty finding trustworthy sources of exact information and whether this is all true or not. But, while the Kung Fu practitioners were underground and in the temple they decided to assemble all of the martial arts and form the ultimate Kung Fu, and with this they took from several Martials arts techniques and forms of principle-based arts.
xXxTheOnlyDreamerxXx 1 month ago
Alright, so here we go.....18th century...Manchurian government ruled China....revolutionary groups of Kung Fu masters who acted in underground societies but soon after the Manchurians discovered their locations and chased them out with mass numbers. So the practitioners fled to the Siu Lim Gee (Shaolin in Mandarin) where they held refuge but it is assumed one of the people there betrayed them and let the Manchurians in the temple, so they all fled.
xXxTheOnlyDreamerxXx 1 month ago
WING CHUN is the best martial art of all time. just consider: bruce lee learned it. anyone who disagrees deserves to commit suicide in real life... fuck all of yall who dont like wing chun. I hate you too
Bregowald 1 month ago
@Bregowald i love wing chun too but my master can defeat wing chun masters with one hand. i also think he could have defeated bruce lee. and there are no such things as superior martial arts. gawd how many times do i have to emphasize this
dimezthemagicprodusa 1 month ago
wtf?? EVery video i see white guys in it
quit teaching these whitey pigs our martial arts
KoolJayJ 1 month ago
@iApna Mma guys have alot of skills. They are some of the most skilled external martial artist alive. I admit that. But their internal skills are lacking. Their understanding of the core principles are lacking. Their understanding of techniques are focused mainly on offensive application. Therefore you destroy opponents rather then neutralize them. It takes gteater skill to win without hurting an opponent. I can destroy a man. But in real life, what do you gain from that besides enemies.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - If knocking out our opponents and breaking their limbs is considered brutal then we are all guilty. Its true that we are trained to be more offensive than defense. Thats how I am trained in both Thai and MMA. I see no sense in taking risks with opponents, so might as well lay them out in the quickest way possible. If that means breaking our opponents collar bone, legs, ribs, cracking his skull, smashing his ribs, or driving my knee into his nuts, its all fair game.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna that is exactly what you should do if the situation warrants it. But if a man can be beaten without that level of brutality. Would that not be better. Why work so hard to defeat an inferior opponent when you can walk away knowing you are in no danger. And if pressed, you can disable and neutralize with minimal physical effort. Empty strenght fades while inner strenght grows stronger.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - Who says it takes effort? It only takes effort if you're fighting someone who has superior skills than your own. Plus who wants to fight anyone less inferior? You would look like an ass and a bully if you fought someone less inferior. I would give that person every opportunity to walk away. If you're gonna fight, then fight someone who will challenge you. Otherwise you learn nothing and you risk everything. If attacked so then fine. Once again you don't understand us.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna you seem to be confusing my point. By effort, I mean to say employing brutal methods against opponents that are beneath you is too much effort. You can't choose your enemies in real life. If pressed, action is required. If brutality is the only answer behind your fist to crush any man that comes against you. I say such a path expends too much physical effort to win. To answer force with the grain of a mustard seed is to overwealm without effort. The path of the asura is not for me.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
just because you can dispatch an opponent wuth brutality, does not mean you should. I have nothing against mma guys and their methods. I just don't agree with their intention. But I will destroy an opponent if they prove themselves dangerous enough. But my intention is not their destruction. My fist is meant to protect and cultivate, not destroy.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
but so you understand me. I am not a traditional martial artist. I don't adhere to any one style. I practice multiple arts myself. So I understand the practacality of your position. My original art, vee jistu is one of the most brutal systems in the world. So brutality is farmilar to me. Yet destroying a man is too easy, too empty. I love to fight, yet take no joy in hurting another. this is my path. Your path is yours and works for you. I hope it makes you strong.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - Traditionalist make a big deal about fighting, being attacked, etc... If you're taking martial-arts because you're afraid of being attacked and self-defense then you will always live in fear and will not learn the right way. Self-defense based martial-arts is very basic stuff. Not from a "technique" point of view, but from a fight psychological point of view.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna you are absolutely correct. However, the martial arts that I have studied are all combat application. None stress self defense. We do not fear our enemies. We do not fear conflict. We end them as quickly as possible. I simply believe that brutality is not the quickest option. I do not unleash that wrath unless there is no choice. Do not mistake mercy as weakness. Or my stance as meaning I am in the self defense camp.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - You keep circling back to this brutality thing. It all depends on what you consider brutality to be. In our sparring class you can and likely will get a broken nose and ribs, I have had both. Others have had dislocated shoulders and messed up knees. Our sparring is brutal, imagine what we do on the street. For us brutality would be continuing to beat someone while they are out cold and unable to defend themselves. That would be cowardly and disrespectful.
iApna 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - In our class 60% of students will receive a broken nose in the 2nd month of sparring. The first month we take care of our partner and show them the ropes. We allow them to hit us at 70%, we hit them back at 30%. After the 1st month, which would be approximately 30 light sparring matches, we raise our power to 50%-80%. Once in awhile we will go all out at 100% with caution. It takes a lot of control to do this. But we are trained to maintain control hence offensive training.
iApna 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - We are brutal to each other in class. What chance does a street fighter have? None. People will just need to learn not to mess with MMA fighters.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna You are correct. The conditions you describe will create great fighters. I don't disaree with your point. My idea of brutal action is if that action could have been replaced with something else..
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
For instance, guy throws left jab, response right horizontal block on the elbow joint to break arm, step in left elbow to orbital bone, breaks orbital bone. Brutal response. Or guys throws left jab, response, right arm redirects jab, left hand grabs his left elbow while right hand grips and twist left wrist, spin to left in same motion while applying downward pressure on joints, drop weight and enter wide horse stance to remove them from their feet. opponent immobilzed.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
The latter response is efficent and less brutal. The opponent is under control. No bone need to be broken. no further action required. You use the opponent's aggression against them saving your only energy. thereby defeating them with minimal effort. That is what I mean by effort and brutal action. The less brutal route requires more skill to sucessfully pull off. The brutal route is effective and can be learned easier and faster. the difference is intention.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
So what I'm saying is that after twenty plus years of training, I no longer have to brutalalize an opponent to defeat them. I have worked hard to reach the point where I can use my sensitivity and skill to deal with an opponent. What MMA gym guys do works. What I do works. Im just saying in my eyes what I am striving for as a martial artist is not the same thing as most of the mma gym crowd. I do not train just for the sake of battle. I want to become the art, not immitate it.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
@iApna your still trolling this site. You should take a Korean Martial Art, they will teach you what you lack.
coupwolf 1 month ago
@coupwolf - The pot calling the kettle black hahaha - My Thai instructor has his 5th or 6th Dan in some form of TKD, cannot recall. In my MMA club there are a couple of Hapkido instructors that train with us and do compete in MMA. In my MMA club we have people of many backgrounds, including former Wing Chun students, Kyokushin Karate, Judo, wrestling, boxing, some crazy form of Tai Chi, even Arnis instructors. Not to mention bikers, bouncers, cops and ex military. Interesting huh?
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iApna 4 weeks ago
@coupwolf - Bring your health insurance asshole.
iApna 4 weeks ago
@iApna that's all you ever have to say you troll, your spam. Your the reason why real good martial arts aren't taught publicly, just watered down bullshit. Your a poor pathetic troll with no real names or gyms to back your word up. just a buch of talk like some little school girl. and if you train so much how are you on here so much?
coupwolf 2 weeks ago
@coupwolf - LOL!! Your a little dick sucking, anal licking piece of shit. All you Wing Chunner's claim how Wing Chun is the end-all-be-all then talk shit how MMA is only for the cage. I respond to idiot posts by assholes like you who claim MMA is useless on the street. You fuckers claim street fighting but are afraid of your own shadows. Yes I do train, but I work as an Engineer full-time, which puts me in front my computer.
iApna 2 weeks ago
@iApna then get back to work, you fuck. you should be doing some of your watered down bullshit when your off the job rather than being a poor pathetic troll. little school girl. look at this strand of pubic hair thinking he's hot shit
jakoson7 2 weeks ago
@jakoson7 - Another Wing Chun bitch talking with a dick in his mouth.
iApna 2 weeks ago
@iApna It finally makes sense, your a computer nerd lol. lame little troll. How does it not make sense. lol you crack me up now, before I was a bit frustrated but now I know your fake and probably on your rag lol
coupwolf 1 week ago
@coupwolf - Oh you got me!! I'm no fake bros. hahaha .... But whats more important is how easily you're frustrated. If you get frustrated by messages left on boards like this, then you certainly are a McDojo Practitioner. Probably a 15 year old kid that plays video games all day long. hahahah That said, don't let anyone take up any room in your little head. Otherwise you will struggle throughout life, wasting time on un-important topics.
iApna 1 week ago
@RaphaelFuentes - Traditionalist take note, while you are practicing kata/forms, the new generation of fighters are learning to fight. You will not understand us until you train with us and we welcome all to come join us. We are always looking for motivated individuals who want to learn how to really train to be a fighter. We can't learn unless we face someone better than us and lays us out. Come smash us please!!
A little motivational clip for you. Come join us:
/watch?v=tOXAsbuuocc
iApna 1 month ago
@coupwolf The styles I mentioned are the common styles employed by most professional MMA guys. I already know what mma means. But training to be an mma guy and mastering various martial arts styles are different in terms of Wu and Wei. A mma guy will learn the techniques and absorb them trying to fill in the gaps of his weakness. While someone learning various martial art styles will strive to master and understand the principles, becoming the art. the mindset and results are different
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
Wu is the physical pursuit of the martial skill. Wei is the mental cultivation of the martial art itself. A mma guy is obsessed with the physical pursuit of perfection, A true martial artist places greater concern with the spiritual and mental pursuit of perfection. To master one's art is to understand it completely. Fighting for the sake of fighting does not accomplish this. That is why I call a mma guy different from someone who practice more then one art. It is the intention.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
I see mma guys as different. These are people who train only for the sake of fighting. That makes them excellent warriors but they fail as martial artist. The martial arts are a tool of self cultivation, meant to uplift soceity. How the hell does ground and pound, tap out or bone break, and beating the hell out of your fellow man accomplish that? So yes a mma guy is different than a true martial artist. A true martial art defeats an enemy with skill, not brutality.
RaphaelFuentes 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - I was agreeing with you up to the point where MMA guys only train for the sake of fighting. Then you opened your big fuckin mouth and say "A true martial art defeats an enemy with skill, not brutality". Are you suggesting an MMA fighter has no skills? MMA fighters have far more skills than the average martial-artist. But yes we train for all out brutality of our opponents. Our only desire is to bury our opponents.
iApna 1 month ago
@RaphaelFuentes - That said some MMA fighters are true martial-artist and some are not. Some only train to be fighters, some train to become well rounded martial-artist. But we all share a common desire, which is to learn to be the best that we can be.
iApna 1 month ago
4:16 YES!
cjhatesu 1 month ago
I love wing chun hands
spyoflove88 1 month ago 2
And I have noticed that most MMA fighters have crappy foot work. It irritates the living hell out of me because they don't move like water. Its GARBAGE! Has anyone ever seen an opponent only uses one hand to fight and switches off every now and then? I'VE SEEN IT! (O_O)
vietscouty 1 month ago
Go Muay Thai...Wing Chun is getting nerfed next patch.
rancid253 1 month ago
I hate people that bring up MMA and UFC in youtube comments. I do both MMA and self defense Martial arts, so I have seen both sides of the coin. Martial arts like Karate and Wing Chun are Martial Arts designed to KILL PEOPLE. MMA is not.
JoshoewaGillespie 1 month ago