Krag-Jørgensen Model 1896

[initvesa]

So would someone please explain to me why this was attributed to the bad performance of the US army in Cuba against Spanish Mausers?

[chauchat3137]

now was this made in denmark? this particular model you are holding?

[JESSERL]

@chauchat3137 Nope, this rifle was made at Springfield Armory in Massachusetts. 

[Vnix]

right, so why did this rifle fail again?

[JESSERL]

@Vnix Ridiculously old ammo that spent a few decades stored in an equipment shed in Idaho.

[DeanMLFlame]

anyone ever notice that the 30-40 cartridge is 95% identical to the 303 British...Shoulder angle, neck length and .308" versus .311" I think we tried to copy it.

[MrLolx2u]

Loved my REAL Krag-Jorgenson Carbine used same as the Rough Riders used. Mine just keeps going "bang,click clak, bang, click clak" and my rounds are mostly all the way from Norway and have 2 boxes of military surpluses. I also have a speed loader box which cuts down the reloading speed to the same of a stripper clips used in my SMLE No.3.

[kullas924]

well ur grandfather did nice job but still would want a full carcno stock but still how is it shooting

[FredDude27]

Earlier this year I fired a few 7.62 rounds that was either too old or had been stored improperly: It too went "click, bang" 

[kullas924]

do they always come like that or is thier carcono model

[JESSERL]

@kullas924 The barrel and stock on this one were cut down from a full rifle length gun by my great grandfather.

[ItEaChUsTuNtS]

I think guy at 2:35 didnt know he chambered the round already

[MegaSheila12]

Wow I have one just like it. My dad was born in 1932 and bought it when he was 12 years old. His was sporterized as well. Very cool.

[supressorgrid]

That hang fire ammo will get you killed!

[JESSERL]

@supressorgrid How so? It's not over pressure, and I'm not going to try opening the bolt or looking down the barrel to see where the bullet went.

[supressorgrid]

@JESSERL If it ignites just as you release the bolt it will be propelled back into your face also the gasses and cartri9dge are moving at high speed.

[JESSERL]

@supressorgrid Yes, that's why you wait at least 30 seconds after a hangfire to open the bolt, and keep it pointed down range.

[JESSERL]

@TheCbDK Ah, I see. Subsonic loads have all sorts of potential risks if you don't pay attention - squibs, detonations with small charges of slow powder, position sensitivity, etc. I've only done a few subsonic loads, but I stick to Titegroup powder for its easy ignition - have to watch out for double and triple charges though.

Fortunately, I don't think the unburned powder issue applies to the situation in the video where the cases are loaded to full power, but extremely old.

[JESSERL]

@TheCbDK The most dangerous thing about a hangfire is how the shooter reacts. If you try to open the bolt before the cartridge ignites you'll have an out of battery condition which would be very bad - you could end up with the bolt blown back into you. Worse would be if someone tried looking down the barrel or pointed the muzzle at another person.

So long as you keep the bolt closed and the muzzle pointed downrange for 30 seconds or more after a suspected hangfire, the danger is minimal.

[TheMauserc96]

lol (Jørgensen) is a Danish aftername :D

[bendikn]

@TheMauserc96 It's a Scandinavian last name.

[CombatpilotMathias]

Haha luv this gun:D

[agentkapser]

ok just wondered. the ø doesnt eksist in english speaking countrys so how could you write the title

[thernlund]

@agentkapser I'm not sure I understand the question. Just write an O with a slash through it (ø).

[agentkapser]

@agentkapser i mean on english keyboards i think there not is a ø like there not is a Å and a Æ

[thernlund]

@agentkapser Oh. I see. I used the Character Map in Windows for ease of use. But you can use a keystroke. The keystroke is Alt+0248.

[MrOlekul]

@agentkapser

did you know that there is somthing called google translater?

[agentkapser]

@MrOlekul YEPS IT FUNNY

[ermaslv44]

@agentkapser just type joergensen(oe = ø, aa = å, ae = æ) i know cause im danish

[agentkapser]

@ermaslv44 det jeg også. jeg undrede mig bare over hvordan engelske tastature kunne lave dem

[agentkapser]

@ermaslv44 tror du man må bruge geværet til jagt her hjemme. ville nemmelig gerne have en grund til at eje sådan et

[ermaslv44]

@agentkapser det kommer satnme and på hvor kraftig kaliberen er, men det er jeg da ellers ret sikker på,

men jeg er ikke sikker på hvor du mener med "her hjemme", hvis det er danmark, skal du jo havde et jagt geværs lisens, men hvis det er sverige eller finland, så må du eje et jagt gevær.bare det ikke er semi automatisk(og sølgfølgelig heller ikke full automatisk)

[Fireworks7760]

@agentkapser You can find øæå on the internet you know

[ermaslv44]

@agentkapser instead of just writing a "o" as a substitute, we danes who invented æ,ø and å recommend this

æ = ae

ø = oe

å = aa

for an example krag joergensen

[mfolk227]

Underneath the starry flag

Civilize em with a krag

[jonasldg]

i like the way amaricans pronounce it xD

[bandman232]

@jonasldg how so?

[jonasldg]

@bandman232 the epic fail way

[jonasldg]

@bandman232 its a pretty cool rifle

[bandman232]

@jonasldg indeed. Now I want one. :(

[97thord]

jeg er fra Norge og har prøvd rifla, den er kjempebra!

[darkman30200]

Its pretty big, i have a 30-40 krag round sitting on my desk right now, just found it lying around a year ago, wierd thing is the tip of the actual bullet has some kinda nickle or something welded onto it, so its like a brown color from the bottom up to the tip, then it turns silver...probably an anti-vampire round, but yeah its bigger than the 7.62x39 i have, like a quarter size bigger...

[rod3067]

shit, that round looks powerfull!!

[laksemann]

Nice rifle and nice video! But I think you need some new ammo, dude.

I tried some old ammo in my Mauser k98 and the same thing happened. "Click bang!"

[FredDude27]

Click-bang indeed :)

[Lumotaku]

so how exactly was this rifle inferior to the mauser at the time? is the loading process too slow?

[lordbang3r]

@Lumotaku When the Krag was first introduced, it was superior to the Mauser designs at the time. The loading process was a bit of a trade-off: loading was one round at a time, but as shown in the movie, the rounds didn't have to be carefully placed and the rifle could also be "topped off" fairly easily. It was ballistically inferior to the Mauser 98, but not the mausers at the time.

[EGIL94]

Norway FTW :)

[O15Omnicron]

Love these rifles! It may be designed by Norwegians but I think it is a true American rifle. Anyone know where I would be able to buy one and how much it would be, for some reason I think it's in the neighborhood of 3 to 4000?

[METALLIMAN545]

@O15Omnicron i got mine for 300 on gunbroker, just look around in the antique page they are always popping up

[Jrhoney]

Why'd you decide to shoot that ammo? Its old so its collectible and might be considered dangerous to shoot. Powder does break down and can be unpredictable.

[DeathbyPianos]

can you also load it like a traditional Bolt action? or is it just through the trapdoor?

[JESSERL]

@DeathbyPianos You can't load the magazine from the top, but you can load single rounds into the chamber. It actually features a magazine cutoff so that soldiers could conserve ammo by loading single rounds and keep the magazine in reserve in case they needed a heavier volume of fire.

[DeathbyPianos]

@JESSERL ah, yes ok, i understand now, Thanks!

[123JoeD456]

'That's so stinking cool'

Haha that made my smile for some reason.

[lovejen01]

that ammo been sitting around for awhile also the powder is most likely decaying. I have to call one thing out is that was not the full length barrel, it was cut down a lot by people who owned that rifle. I know this because, i own one. It is a great collector item and hunting rifle.

[thernlund]

@lovejen01

He said as much about the barrel length in the video.

[lovejen01]

@thernlund stand corrected on the barrel

[TaZ101SAGA]

How does it actually feed, there does appear to be a spring in the magazine so what makes the rounds come inline with the extractor?

[JESSERL]

@TaZ101SAGA

The magazine follower is retracted automatically when the loading gate is opened. As soon as the gate is closed the follower pushes the rounds through the magazine. It's easy to show in person but hard to explain or capture in a video.

[deadtofall666]

cool gun man!

[TaZ101SAGA]

lol whats with the wierd internal magazine, never seen that before.

[transmitxreceive]

Beautiful gun, mouthbreathers.

[BATTLEDROID678]

I've never seen such a delay in a modern firearm before. i always thought that the transition from trigger pull to ignition was instantaneous but I'm surprised that its like a half second. That's a little disconcerting.

[SMGJohn]

It's Norwegian. It's more accurate then most modern sniper rifle we have today...

Plus it was this rifles the Norwegian military force where fighting with against the Nazis in Norway and they had Tanks, Machine guns, Machine pistols. And still they lost...

[Dogmeat1950]

@SMGJohn that's because much of Norway's military didn't fight.

[TheSkarsbo]

@Dogmeat1950 What do you know about that ?...... The Norwegian Military was at D-Day to !

[Dogmeat1950]

@TheSkarsbo ya.... many Norwegians sided with the Germans ever heard of the Norwegian SS?

[TheSkarsbo]

@Dogmeat1950 They did not fight for SS at D-Day, but they did in East front yes

[racer2322]

you will fuck your rifle with new ammo.... i am not kidding! sooner or later this thing on the top of the bolt will come flying over your head.....

[kjsh987]

thank god they replaced the krag jorgensen for the sprinfield m1903.it must be so disturbing on battle

[SwordsmanMercenary]

@kjsh987 You're talking about the hangfires? It only did that because the ammunition was old but yeah the Springfield was a better weapon and faster to reload.

[DuescherStoltz]

Cool video, great rifle, sad thing your grandfather decided to cut it down. no offense to carbine lovers but full stock rifles are better in my opinion. great rifle though, and yes, the way the cartridges just kinda sit there is cool lol.

[Nangor]

i want one, but here in norway u cant shoot elk or reindeer with it since its considered to weak (dont know what u can kill with it in usa). so im geting a k98(m98 in norway) instead... maybe ill try geting one later for deer hunting or something.

[AdmiralGST]

ultimate way to see if someone is flinching!

[markussalva]

norwegian gun<33

the only norwegian rifel ever made i think.

[123sondre321]

I thought it was a norwegian rifle ...

[danielsale87]

Good vid. ive never seen ammo act that way. Greetings from Norway

[druisteen1]

I PREFER THE LEBEL

[coppincopp]

mkey....

[reaperflynn3]

Lol he can't say the name of the rile correctly.

[JESSERL]

@reaperflynn3

I know a lot of people like to pronounce it as "crayg" the way they do in Norway, but that doesn't rhyme with flag, so no go.

"And beneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag And return us to our own beloved home."

I'm not Norwegian and neither is the rifle or the men who used it.

[purpleravenstar]

@JESSERL You forgot the first two lines, goddamnit. It had something to do with us back in the Span-Am war :D

"Damn, damn, damn the Filipinos!

Cut throat khaki ladrones!

Underneath the starry flag,

Civilize them with a Krag,

And return us to our beloved home."

Too bad, the irony here is the Philippine revolutionaries have Mausers. Get the stripper clip, and load 'er up - compare that one-round-at-a-time on the Krag. No wonder why the US switched to the Springfield in 1903 :D

[IR9hordaland]

when was this gun produced?

I own a 100% original Norwegian m/1894 Long krag that was made in 1902

[JESSERL]

This one was made in 1896.

[TheSkarsbo]

@IR9hordaland Interisert i å selge den? :P

[1945tysk]

NICE! i have all krag jørgens rifles i my colletion :D!! it is the best rifle ever!

[MadOgre]

Time to buy some new ammo! That's creepy!

Click, tick, Bang.

[JESSERL]

No question. I'll be pulling down the rest of it and reloading it with fresh powder and primers.

[hegnay]

@MadOgre reminds me, me and my father was shooting with 1910 fully norwegian krag, and used ammo from 1923. worked great actually !

[akdude182]

@MadOgre more like click tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick bang