I would have told that cop that if a muslim was preaching or an athiest or a hindu or anyone other than a Christian was preaching, they would have never called it disturbance or anything else. Every false religion gets a free pass in the USA but not Christians. Thats because it is politically correct to champion everything but Christian. Hmmm? WHat does that tell you?
i definitely agreee with the person who said let the ppl just enjoy their xmas parade... its so many cases that never go to court that r IMPORTANT, but b cuz of funding it never makes it there and ppl talk about wasted time and taxpayer's dollars.. i mean come on, a loud speaker? it seems u went to the parade with the intent to disturb the peace, but thats right money does rule with greedy capitalist ppl.... but noone should be offended by this.. freedom of speech right? lol.. pathetic
Coercion, manipulation and police action against citizens for speaking does not fall under freedom of speech. It falls under tyranny, fear mongering and conscription. The first amendment was drawn together because of the consequences the crown forced upon the people for speaking out against the crown, for dissent. The first amendment was written with the understanding that a free man should be free to speak his mind without consequence even in dissent.
Not sure how this went litigation-wise but you have the right to free speech but when you started using a loud-speaker that's when you began disturbing the peace.
Next time just exercise your free speech without a loud-speaker and learn to admit when you're wrong and stop using the first amendment as an excuse to break the law.
grampie09 I removed your comment as you couldn't post w/out cussing?.... but the ironic thing is that you sent a very hate filled message saying that I was hate filled? hmm... it's obvious you do not understand the Gospel is not a message of 'hate' it is a message of 'hope and love'.... that is, that mankind who has violated God's law (like lying, stealing, looking w/ lust and using God's name as curse word ect) can be made right w/ God through Christ's suffering, death and resurrection...
A bit of a silly video. The problem here is that both sides are legally inacurate and have misguided knowledge of the law. This case would not be allowed to be filed and would be beaten with a demurrer, however, the cop also was wrong for her rational but so was the "preacher" sort of fun when both parties are inacurate. The preacher does not understand that the cop was not stepping on his first amendment rights, yet the cop was also wrong as to her explanation.
The courts will decide... and yes the officer was 'stepping on' my first ammendment rights.... you make the claim that I am inacurate... please do tell, what did I say that was 'inacuate'?
If I came to your Church on Sunday while you're praying your Gospel, would I be in the right to stand outside on a public sidewalk and shouted about how Christianity hijacked and twisted the Hebrew Bible to suit it's agenda?
How about confronting your Parishners with my views as they came out of Church?
It's a Christmas Parade. Let people enjoy it without having to struggle over your bellowing about what you feel is right.
He had no platform....he and his people go out to annoy or shock people with their crap. Yeah he has a right to speak in public....but the people he was screaming at had a right to watch the x-mas parade without him screaming in their ears. They have rights too.
He is looking for confontation...that's it.
He's not pushing the issue with the aclu because there is no issue...the Police did nothing wrong....he has no case...
sad truth......people have hardened their Hearts..........
People in this world have created their own gods to justify their sinful actions and are ignoring the Holy God of the Bible. The Bible says that every knee shall bow and tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of their life!
I was just using the logic you were using when I said you should leave... but I guess you don't want to be consistant... which is not suprising... you need to repent (turn from sin) and trust in Christ...
I'm curious, what was your platform. Not that it really matters, because you have the right to speak in public about whatever you choose, but what was so "disturbing?"
no you weren't....you were screaming in a bull-horn at people who didn't want to hear your message...they were there to watch the Christmas Parade with their families including young children who you were harrassing.
You have rights....but so does everyone else....your rights aren't more important than theirs.
I was there....you are a shock preacher...merely looking for confrontation...the people you harrassed didn't want to hear your message...thats their right.
You are harassing me...stop posting on my youtube channel... I don't want to hear what you have to say... so you don't have a right to say it anymore???? no... I don't like what 99% of politicians have to say but they still have the right to say it.... please use some basic logic and see if the 1st ammendment really meant what you think it means...no one would really be able to say anything that any one found 'offencive'...
....you are right in a sense... the true Gospel is 'shocking' that man can do nothing to save himself and only Christ can save.... repent- turn to the true and living God...
Just curious.. Monkey boy when you met with your attorney , did you report her to her chief ? Also did you meet with the ACLU ? Did you win your case? What was the outcome? Did the cop win or did you?
I have not persued this yet... I do still plan to... you have 2 years to do so on this type of case... ACLJ is who I plan to have represent me... he said it is a very clear case that she was wrong....No, I didn't report her to her chief... to be honest, we have had so many problems in Richmond police, when it comes to 1st Amendment speech, they need more than just a 'talking to' if anything is going to change in that respect...
I wasnt there, but my opinon is this,..freedom of speech doesnt mean you can say what ever you want ,..any where. Its just like going to a movie theater you just cant start talking in a movie theater and interuppting the movie everyone came to see. Freedom of speech is permitted as long as you follow the ordinances (laws) regarding freedom of speech in the city or county you reside and as long as those governments do not effect your 1st ammendment rights. or federal policy.
First question... how do you know I was being 'annoying and distractful'? did you hear anything that I said?
Second, since when has 'annoying and distractful' been grounds to end someone's right to free speach?
Take that to it's logical end.... anything that anyone, anywhere, anytime that is found 'annoying and distractful' would have to be stopped... everyone would lose in that situation... everyone...
That is the very reason our founding fathers gave us the right to begin w/...
You need to get very clear on the law, then obey it strictly, then get arrested and file a Federal Civil Rights lawsuit under Title 42 Section 1983 of the United States Code. If you were OK on the law when she ordered you away, (and remember, they are going to lie about that and say you said and did things that actually WERE disturbing the peace, especially after they talk with their lawyers) then you should file the lawsuit NOW. You can get information online on how to file without a lawyer
I would have told that cop that if a muslim was preaching or an athiest or a hindu or anyone other than a Christian was preaching, they would have never called it disturbance or anything else. Every false religion gets a free pass in the USA but not Christians. Thats because it is politically correct to champion everything but Christian. Hmmm? WHat does that tell you?
bornfromabove 4 months ago
the big guy next to her looks like fred gwen who played herman munster. sounds like hes from new york
veeseee128 7 months ago in playlist Law Enforcement
angela green is fine.
veeseee128 7 months ago in playlist Law Enforcement
i definitely agreee with the person who said let the ppl just enjoy their xmas parade... its so many cases that never go to court that r IMPORTANT, but b cuz of funding it never makes it there and ppl talk about wasted time and taxpayer's dollars.. i mean come on, a loud speaker? it seems u went to the parade with the intent to disturb the peace, but thats right money does rule with greedy capitalist ppl.... but noone should be offended by this.. freedom of speech right? lol.. pathetic
MrsShepherd0226 10 months ago
I'm glad that things turned out favorable. I hope you didn't make any concessions.
mrbonaparte 1 year ago
Courts ruled in our favor..... can't disclose details but I can say it was 'favorable' :-)
monkeyboynathan 1 year ago
@monkeyboynathan u won your case?
veeseee128 1 month ago
Coercion, manipulation and police action against citizens for speaking does not fall under freedom of speech. It falls under tyranny, fear mongering and conscription. The first amendment was drawn together because of the consequences the crown forced upon the people for speaking out against the crown, for dissent. The first amendment was written with the understanding that a free man should be free to speak his mind without consequence even in dissent.
intodustanddeath 1 year ago 3
Not sure how this went litigation-wise but you have the right to free speech but when you started using a loud-speaker that's when you began disturbing the peace.
Next time just exercise your free speech without a loud-speaker and learn to admit when you're wrong and stop using the first amendment as an excuse to break the law.
TheRealMikeDiesel 1 year ago
2 bad they didn't start bustin' yo head!
k77jones 1 year ago
grampie09 I removed your comment as you couldn't post w/out cussing?.... but the ironic thing is that you sent a very hate filled message saying that I was hate filled? hmm... it's obvious you do not understand the Gospel is not a message of 'hate' it is a message of 'hope and love'.... that is, that mankind who has violated God's law (like lying, stealing, looking w/ lust and using God's name as curse word ect) can be made right w/ God through Christ's suffering, death and resurrection...
monkeyboynathan 1 year ago
@monkeyboynathan u won your case?
veeseee128 1 month ago
A bit of a silly video. The problem here is that both sides are legally inacurate and have misguided knowledge of the law. This case would not be allowed to be filed and would be beaten with a demurrer, however, the cop also was wrong for her rational but so was the "preacher" sort of fun when both parties are inacurate. The preacher does not understand that the cop was not stepping on his first amendment rights, yet the cop was also wrong as to her explanation.
spk1973 1 year ago
The courts will decide... and yes the officer was 'stepping on' my first ammendment rights.... you make the claim that I am inacurate... please do tell, what did I say that was 'inacuate'?
monkeyboynathan 1 year ago
The Cops were right in this one. No doubt about it.
mi6QBranch 2 years ago
The courts will decide.... I'll keep you posted... meeting w/ the attorny today to review the case one last time before filing...
monkeyboynathan 2 years ago
If I came to your Church on Sunday while you're praying your Gospel, would I be in the right to stand outside on a public sidewalk and shouted about how Christianity hijacked and twisted the Hebrew Bible to suit it's agenda?
How about confronting your Parishners with my views as they came out of Church?
It's a Christmas Parade. Let people enjoy it without having to struggle over your bellowing about what you feel is right.
mi6QBranch 2 years ago
@mi6QBranch
Yes. you would have a right to stand out in front of the church on a public sidewalk
and verbally explain anything you wish. That is the honor of the 1st Amendment.
Freedom of Speech. Isn't this wonderful that you can say what you want?
Outrjs 7 months ago
So I guess you'll be putting your aplication in to change that right?
jasonsr78 2 years ago
wow what an educated response....thanks for wasting 2 seconds of our lives!
ndamer1 2 years ago
He had no platform....he and his people go out to annoy or shock people with their crap. Yeah he has a right to speak in public....but the people he was screaming at had a right to watch the x-mas parade without him screaming in their ears. They have rights too.
He is looking for confontation...that's it.
He's not pushing the issue with the aclu because there is no issue...the Police did nothing wrong....he has no case...
or platform.
ndamer1 2 years ago
sad truth......people have hardened their Hearts..........
People in this world have created their own gods to justify their sinful actions and are ignoring the Holy God of the Bible. The Bible says that every knee shall bow and tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of their life!
No denying that fact!
nfantree 2 years ago
I was just using the logic you were using when I said you should leave... but I guess you don't want to be consistant... which is not suprising... you need to repent (turn from sin) and trust in Christ...
monkeyboynathan 2 years ago
I'm curious, what was your platform. Not that it really matters, because you have the right to speak in public about whatever you choose, but what was so "disturbing?"
finleyan 2 years ago
I was preaching the Gospel Jesus Christ.... it is a message that has always 'disturbed' people....
monkeyboynathan 2 years ago
no you weren't....you were screaming in a bull-horn at people who didn't want to hear your message...they were there to watch the Christmas Parade with their families including young children who you were harrassing.
You have rights....but so does everyone else....your rights aren't more important than theirs.
I was there....you are a shock preacher...merely looking for confrontation...the people you harrassed didn't want to hear your message...thats their right.
ndamer1 2 years ago
You are harassing me...stop posting on my youtube channel... I don't want to hear what you have to say... so you don't have a right to say it anymore???? no... I don't like what 99% of politicians have to say but they still have the right to say it.... please use some basic logic and see if the 1st ammendment really meant what you think it means...no one would really be able to say anything that any one found 'offencive'...
monkeyboynathan 2 years ago
....you are right in a sense... the true Gospel is 'shocking' that man can do nothing to save himself and only Christ can save.... repent- turn to the true and living God...
monkeyboynathan 2 years ago
shes a Leautenant now.
veeseee128 2 years ago
Just curious.. Monkey boy when you met with your attorney , did you report her to her chief ? Also did you meet with the ACLU ? Did you win your case? What was the outcome? Did the cop win or did you?
veeseee128 2 years ago
I have not persued this yet... I do still plan to... you have 2 years to do so on this type of case... ACLJ is who I plan to have represent me... he said it is a very clear case that she was wrong....No, I didn't report her to her chief... to be honest, we have had so many problems in Richmond police, when it comes to 1st Amendment speech, they need more than just a 'talking to' if anything is going to change in that respect...
monkeyboynathan 2 years ago
The key is not to bother anyone. which makes it disturbing the peace.
veeseee128 3 years ago
What if I said your statement here bothered me? Does that mean you can't say it? That is not what disturding the peace means....
monkeyboynathan 2 years ago
I wasnt there, but my opinon is this,..freedom of speech doesnt mean you can say what ever you want ,..any where. Its just like going to a movie theater you just cant start talking in a movie theater and interuppting the movie everyone came to see. Freedom of speech is permitted as long as you follow the ordinances (laws) regarding freedom of speech in the city or county you reside and as long as those governments do not effect your 1st ammendment rights. or federal policy.
veeseee128 3 years ago
The female cop is beautiful. I see her around sometimes.
veeseee128 3 years ago
I think the cop is in the right. The people came to see the parade not him. so shes right. Hes being annoying and distractful.
veeseee128 3 years ago
First question... how do you know I was being 'annoying and distractful'? did you hear anything that I said?
Second, since when has 'annoying and distractful' been grounds to end someone's right to free speach?
Take that to it's logical end.... anything that anyone, anywhere, anytime that is found 'annoying and distractful' would have to be stopped... everyone would lose in that situation... everyone...
That is the very reason our founding fathers gave us the right to begin w/...
monkeyboynathan 3 years ago
but "disturbing the peace" ...at a super loud parade.. its a bit of an oxymoron.
eeedel 2 years ago
You need to get very clear on the law, then obey it strictly, then get arrested and file a Federal Civil Rights lawsuit under Title 42 Section 1983 of the United States Code. If you were OK on the law when she ordered you away, (and remember, they are going to lie about that and say you said and did things that actually WERE disturbing the peace, especially after they talk with their lawyers) then you should file the lawsuit NOW. You can get information online on how to file without a lawyer
boatbrain3 3 years ago
Nate, that's nuts!! She's clearly ignorant of the 1st amendment rights or she just fears people more than her superiors.
Eric0873 3 years ago
As Michael Badnarik would say, show me the law
mousey1952 3 years ago
wow...crazy!
Isaiah6twothrueight 3 years ago
Yep
theheat151 3 years ago