Skepchick preferred a male success object in the elevator

[MatheusLegenda]

lol. That was so stupid. LMAO

[MikieDaC]

Bullseye bro! :D

[brianestoll]

HAHAHAA.. this is hilarious :D

[Magicwillnz]

My god, this is so true.

[ahmed337799]

what about ugly women? they must be pretty frustrated too.

[PersianPaladin]

@ahmed337799

yes

[brownie1982ad]

@ahmed337799 Nope they still get action!

[ahmed337799]

@brownie1982ad

How?

[brownie1982ad]

@ahmed337799 Cause it is well known that ugly chicks can get fucked easy!

[dubified89]

I think what you're missing is that it might not be the majority of men who are intrinsically 'low value' and non-alpha, they are engineered and rendered as such by the modern misandrist feminist culture. Men have been emasculated and women de-feminized for it. So you have a lot of cold bitches and weak guys now, products of society supressing our more natural instincts. Judging by the popular media at the time women used to admire and respect men on average a lot more than now pre-60's. When

[dubified89]

they were 'oppressed'. Oppressed into things like not having to fight in World War II. Or not having to work in dangerous mines that my male ancestors worked in. The mess we have now is largely the result of feminism, a left-wing movement! Now a guy has to be super-alpha in order to win with many women, whereas before they just had to be a regular man.

[brownie1982ad]

@dubified89 Sorry you are just as bad as the feminists when you type that. Radical feminists make simple generalizations like that. Don't sink to there level! Do you honestly think all the problems of capitalism are caused by feminists? Also most females are not left wing anyway.

[dubified89]

@brownie1982ad Anti-capitalism and feminism are the same camp, I'm sorry to tell you. The feminist movement is part of the left.

[brownie1982ad]

@dubified89 Nope Feminism is the shit part of the left movement, Anti Capitalism is a good part of the left. Massive difference.

[crud4]

Some of the people on the liberal feminist "left" 9as opposed to Marxist or materialist feminists) scare me....the world they envision would be so regulated and controlled I'm not sure Orwell or Huxley could even describe it. This isn't to say I'd want to live in some Mad Max beyond Thunderdome world but, megh? I'm a fan of "The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State" and 'The Second Sex" but some feminists take it too far. Men and women. People take a lot of things too far.

[dubified89]

@crud4 If Marxist feminists don't disturb you you must not be paying attention, or perhaps you have low self-esteem as a male. NuclearNights, that womyn is a Marxist feminist. Look how blatantly misandrist she is, almost everything she says is a ridiculous hypocrisy. To me they have as much credibility in talking about men as the Klan does about blacks.

[crud4]

@dubified89 I dont think nuclearnights is the spokesperson for anything. Read "The Second Sex" and tell me what problems you have with it.

[dubified89]

@crud4 Nah I think I'm gonna go ahead and skip that one

[themaniusedtob]

@dubified89 "To me they have as much credibility in talking about men as the Klan does about blacks." that is sooo true!.. plus thats also what many evolutionary psychologist think about gender studies that it has very little credibility... pseudo science = gender studies = feminism = reverse (interpreted) sexism... its all fucked up now and nobody is happy.. keep educating the masses even a feather makes a difference

[brownie1982ad]

@themaniusedtob How feminists react to the evolutionary psychologists has very little credibility. They have an agenda, and want to fit reality into it. Not ajust there theorys to fit reality!

[crud4]

I have no money live in a shack and get laid like wildfire. Marriage and kids is another story though. The traditional male/female roles do in fact, many times, revolve around money/success. Sometimes women don't like men because they're ugly and stink....sometimes women are just shit eating money grubbing fuck heads but so are many men. People are all full of shit- feminists included.I'm full of shit, the whole world is full of shit. It's almost wonderful. A beautiful mess.Reality is strange

[hamburgermeat3]

yeah, if the guy was hot she, and most girls, would be making videos about how excited they were about meeting a hot guy.

[justamarxist]

@hamburgermeat3 Huh? When you're dead tired at 4am, who's going to get excited about seeing some guy in an elevator? Regardless of what he looks like.

[alistairproductions]

While I don't like your libertarian socialist-ish videos, and all the anti hierarchy stuff I have to say mr1001nights.. you are dead right about this. And I've never seen it laid out so perfectly clear. I think it has something to do with how women needed to mate with the man who could go out and kill the food, strong and confident men.. So now even though we live in a different world that evolutionary instinct is still there

[PersianPaladin]

"It's not so easy to be an alpha. First, you may not develop your abilities because so many doors open based on your looks. Second, you tend to misuse your sexual energy...because you can (ask Woods or Clinton). Third, you tend to burn out on the high life or a sense of your infallibility. Two of my past sweethearts who were pretty alpha died in middle age of health problems." - Marnia Robinson

[brownie1982ad]

@PersianPaladin Easy if you are a sociopath!

[nonamechannel]

I have an actress friend who moved from Canada to LA to spend time with her agent at his house for a week. He took her to parties and stuff. Some famous personalities were hitting on her and the agent reminded them she was with him. She got pissed and left the house. She later told me she was never gonna sleep with him since he was old and unattractive but she gave every indication to him before she went that she wanted to sleep with him. She called him creepy.. lol.

[PersianPaladin]

I suppose you could even argue that cultural habits have become hard-wired in certain genetic communities over time - I suppose it's similar to evolutionary "memes". Except that they are not neccessarily about "survival of the fittest".

[PersianPaladin]

Sometimes there are sexual preferences found in cultures that have proven negative affects on, for example, fertility. The human species is full of behavior that is around for no evolutionary reason (and is therefore not something you need to worry about when it comes to dating...You just have to find a woman who is either open minded enough to be critically aware of her own cultural conditioning, or has been culturally conditioned to find your qualities superior).

[PersianPaladin]

There are plenty of other examples that culture is the dominant driving force behind what we consider attractive... Scarification of the calves in the Tiv tribe, force feeding of young brides in Nigeria (there goes that hip to waist ratio), foot binding, etc.... Everything about human behavior CANNOT be explained away with evolutionary pressure to maximize procreation alone... We have all been undergoing a whole bunch of cultural evolution that is constantly ignored..(cont)

[PersianPaladin]

We would have either died out a long time ago, or only been successful in a couple of climates if we were as limited by our simplistic evolutionary sexual history as other animals. We have a level of intellectual complexity a chimp or a shrimp could never even dream of. There are plenty of cultures in which so-called "beta" males are valued as the number one choice by women, including subcultures within our own culture (cont)...

[Karestasse]

Goodness me I hope everyone clicked on the link and read that spiteful email she sent Richard, poor guy, I imagine he's completely appalled. If he even read it.

[themaniusedtob]

HAHA I just love the cut throat honesty & sense of humor in the vid. Notice when Chris Rock does this kind of thing most feminist laugh & see the truth behind the joke? why? BECAUSE HES FAMOUS! but yeah. Feminist will always deny anything that shows they treat men as success objects if that demo is coming from a regular guy, some are so backward in their thinking and say stupid things like "this is the fault of the patriarchal society we live in". All humans objectify, some more, some less.

[PersianPaladin]

In recent news:-

"An international team of scientists has discovered a new strain of the sexually transmitted infection (STI) gonorrhoea that is resistant to all currently available antibiotics."

Just shows that promiscuity is over-rated, and increasingly dangerous.

[urganodevotaton]

Apparently there is an initial video or something that rk watson did that this video is responding to. No link is given; I don't find it on her channel; I don't find it in the suggestions to the side; I don't want to drudge thru the Google search link to find it. If someone could direct me to it I'd appreciate it.

[Shawnruss]

@urganodevotaton

Here:  /watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk

And if you're to lazy to watch the entire video, the statement she makes that this video is a response to is at the 4th minute and 31 second markish.

[urganodevotaton]

@Shawnruss Thank you for your help though not for the rudeness. I wasn't lazy I was just lost. Actually I went to the Skepchick site & found a discussion about the incident etc. with a link to that video; but I made a bad assumption based on the title that something was skrewy & that it couldn't be the right video. Anyway thanks again. The video gave me more perspective on this video & its comments.

[acpjrr]

I don't think it's a stretch to believe that she would have the same reaction to a stranger known only to her as having high status.

[HomoCyborgZombie]

Not to be mean, but a lot of the humour I can see you put into this is... almost forced. In fact, I'd even say if I didn't know any of your other videos, I'd even say it was poe. Almost counter to your arguments.

[tommylehman]

Feminism is stupidity on fire.

[PersianPaladin]

I think it's time that all men started to ignore women who are even remotely attractive. Just go your own way. The whole sexual game is a joke.

[acpjrr]

@PersianPaladin

I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. Give more attention to women you find unattractive? To what end?

Assuming that a man's goal is to lay a woman they find attractive, how does this help?

[PersianPaladin]

@acpjrr

It's a good ego-killer, that's why.

[ConscientiousMind]

(cont.) Or perhaps the focus of this story wasn't the man at all, but a woman's natural reaction to a suspicious proposal. Yes, maybe if the guy had been a hot actor or whatever, she might not have been alarmed, but that's not the point. The point is that women are either conditioned or naturally predisposed to having certain reactions to certain behavior (fearing sexual assault seems pretty understandable), and men ought to be a little more sensitive to them. Even successful alphas.

[Torgo1969]

@ConscientiousMind "The point is that women are either conditioned or naturally predisposed to having certain reactions to certain behavior (fearing sexual assault seems pretty understandable), and men ought to be a little more sensitive to them."

No. Men are not second class citizens. Women ought to be a little more sensitive and empathetic to men and their sex drives. A tiny minority of criminals assault women. Most men do not, and it's long past time femisupremacists recognize that fact.

[ConscientiousMind]

@Torgo1969 Being respectful doesn't mean you have to surrender your balls on a platter and kiss women's asses. There's nothing wrong with being a proud man who fucks women because he can. My point is simply that it's men, not women, who have more privilege in this world (not to say women aren't privileged in some ways, but the scales are clearly tilted against them), and it's not too much to ask for us to be mindful of that fact. Not being a creep in an elevator is a start.

[niriop]

I've just realised you take a very Nietzschean approach to all this: sexual selection is the war of all against all.

I still think you're simplifying too much; I know Occam's Razor states simplicity is the key, it still seems that sociological and other biological factors still play just as much a key role. Tell me, have you looked at Wilson's Sociobiology?

[pazomblez]

@niriop

not a snowball's chance in hell of getting mr1001nights to ever read anything even remotely academic if it wasn't penned by Chomsky.

don't waste your time.

[ConscientiousMind]

I think the lesson here is "Don't be an AFC". And if you are, either shut up or learn some game. Women don't have to fear alphas, because if you can charm women, you don't have to rape them. Rapists on the other hand are often insecure and lacking in social graces, so if you're an AFC, it's better to learn some manners to remove any doubt that you have ill intentions.

Maybe I'm wrong. I know it sounds cruel and hierarchical, but weighing male inequality with rape, I'll take the former any day.

[Torgo1969]

@ConscientiousMind "Don't be an AFC".

Perhaps. Even better to be a MGTOW, at least for a while. With all due respect, "game" is still putting on an act and jumping thru hoops to gain the approval of a depreciating asset. If you GYOW and gain money and power, the women will come to you. Remember brothers, every woman's got a vag and she needs sex more than you, so there is never any reason to tolerate manipulative bullshit from a little girl in an adult female body.

[pazomblez]

@ConscientiousMind

Do you have even a basic understanding of narcissistic and psychopathic personality types (typical rapist/abuser)? If you did, you would know that one of the hallmarks of these types of people is their (seemingly) innate ability to be extremely effective charmers. So your claims are...well, stupid, to be frank, and to put it shortly.

[ConscientiousMind]

Wow, you totally threw me off-guard here. You being a way more left-leaning anarchist than I, I would have expected you to provide a standard feminist defense for Rebecca (I did). There's a point to your argument but probably also a synthesis to be found, but I'll have to think about it for a while.

[Torgo1969]

When he was 9 yrs old, Richard Dawkins was fondled by a pedo, but he takes it in stride and keeps things in perspective. Perhaps he would be ashamed to make a public spectacle of himself merely for his "victimization" in the context of the much more vicious evils in the world. Things could always be worse.

Skepchick fails to live up to the stoic standard exemplified by Dawkins and other men like me who receive unwelcome male attention. Brittle pampered people don't impress me. 

[CuriousMoth]

@Torgo1969 Dude, you got propositioned by a 270 lb gay man and you've already mentioned in twice in this comments thread, yet you think you're being stoic about it?

[Torgo1969]

@CuriousMoth I was stoic about it when it happened and when it really counted (and you know it) and I don't apologize for being a good public example (along with Dawkins). Nice try trying to take the focus off of Skepchick's weakness and trying to shame me for my strength, though. It may work on the manipulable, but not us aware men. We don't apologize for calling an attention whore like Skepchick what she is.

Do you at least give credit to Dawkins for being stoic and having perspective?

[GreatGungHolio]

I'll wear a low cut top with plenty of cleavage whilst everyone else (men) are wearing a suit and tie....BUT HOW DARE THEY OBJECTIFY ME!!!

I can do that all by myself, thank you very much, without a whiff of irony.

[CuriousMoth]

@GreatGungHolio What, so you're saying because a girl wants to look good that means she wants to be treated like something to fuck instead of like a person? She dresses in fairly average clothing, nothing overtly smutty or sexual. If you can't see an average woman without thinking she wants to be a sex object because she isn't covering every part of her skin, then you've got problems buddy.

[GreatGungHolio]

@CuriousMoth The point was not made against skepchick per se, but the whole gender stereotyping within our culture that encourages females to expose themselves and men to cover up. Ideally it should be equal to prevent the irony and hypocrisy mentioned.

[FranG1214]

A better question is why in a society dominated by a few "alpha" male elites, is feminism allowed for "beta" females to be used on "beta" males.

[DeePhlat]

Fuck it. Just take the stairs.

[STigg2011]

Actually I've noticed some parts of this debate go a bit off-kilter, especially where

a guy is required to take all kinds of account of how a woman feels. It ends up

being that women can dress and do what they like, any emotions are the man's own problem (I agree with this), but then they expect guys have to give special concerns to a woman's feelings. Though I'm talking about some people saying you should eg. cross the road at night to make a woman feel more comfortable, not really what RK said

[ar4216]

@STigg2011 Comment left on her blog by another woman:

I’d like to point out how appalled I am almost every time I attend TAM or any other skeptic/ atheist conference – to see “skepchicks” shamelessly flaunt their sexuality to get attention from the “popular crowd” and to get what they want, in general. As soon as Penn Jillette, Phil Plait, etc. enter the room (or hot tub) the eyelashes start to flutter, the cleavage comes out and the childish giggles and attention-seeking behavior begins.

[ar4216]

@STigg2011 (cont.)

I’d also like to point out that Rebecca Watson is somewhat well-known for dropping sexual innuendo like it’s nobody’s business during unscripted events and podcasts.

Finally – the pink elephant in the room… the skepchick calendar. The word “sexy” is used several times to describe photo submission guidelines on the 2010 calendar application page – and I’ve seen previous calendars. They contain a LOT of suggestive and decidedly sexual nudity.

[pyrrho314]

you have some issues

[00maharum00ma]

Propositioning a woman you barely know in an small, enclosed space is creepy and messed up. She has a right to feel uncomfortable and offended.

[ar4216]

@00maharum00ma She has accused the guy of being a misogynist. Do you agree w/ her? The guy politely asked if she'd like to continue the conversation over a cup of coffee. That's all. Or at least it should have been. Until she decided to make a martyrdom video and speak for ALL women and put ALL men on notice and talk about her offense at being "sexualized" and "objectified". Not all women are creeped out at the thought of casual sex and being hit on in an elevator- depending on the guy of course

[00maharum00ma]

@ar4216

If you think it's possible to be polite while sexually propositioning a woman in a confined space, you've got a funny definition of the word "polite."

I don't know if the guy's a misogynist, I don't really care. The point is that it was an intimidating thing to do, and mocking her for being offended by it IS misogynist.

[ar4216]

@00maharum00ma First, you don't know if she was being sexually propositioned- you assume that. But if he was, don't you think he could have been far ruder. Look at what he said. Is that REALLY so bad. REALLY? & mocking her for feeling threatened MIGHT be considered misogynistic but mocking her for being offended is misogynistic? How so? You say you don't know and don't care if the guy was behaving misogynistically- well RK says he was. And that's probably one of the reasons Dawkins ridiculed her

[ar4216]

@00maharum00ma Why shouldn't we mock someone who screams "sexism" and "misogyny" at the drop of a hat? Do you agree she is being ridiculous and over the top when she accuses the guy in the elevator of sexism. Why do you not care about that? Is it because her position is over the top and ridiculous- and is deserving of being mocked. Look at what the guy said and what happened after he said it- NOTHING. People are sexual beings. Even if he did hit on her it's not the end of the world.

[00maharum00ma]

@ar4216

To be totally honest, I have no idea what the guy's ethnicity was. I don't care.

Now you're going over the top! In her video, she made a short comment about how she felt uncomfortable about guys approaching her that way in confined spaces, and thought it was misogynistic to do so. You're acting as if she asked for the guy to be arrested! Her reaction is totally appropriate to the context of the situation.

And what happened afterwards is irrelevant to this discussion.

[ar4216]

@00maharum00ma I just asked you to consider a hypothetical and to be honest- you again go with the "I don't care." Look, you say you don't know if the guy was being misogynistic and yet you say her attitude is entirely appropriate. So that suggests you do think what he did constitutes sexist/misogynistic behavior? Anyway, I suspect you're being disingenuous- if not with me than with yourself. The bottom line is she overreacted and looks foolish doing it. Dawkins was justified in mocking her.

[ar4216]

@00maharum00ma What if the guy had been black and she reacted this way- how would you feel about her reaction then? Would you be less sympathetic to her position? BE HONEST. What if someone you desire hits on you in an elevator- would you cry sexism and call them creepy? There are people do fuck in elevators- and they do it willingly. Aerosmith even has a hit song about it, "Love in an Elevator". There are even people who have casual sex with strangers- and do it willingly and enjoy it. SHOCKER!

[pazomblez]

@ar4216

'what if the guy had been black'

Wow, so in addition to hating women, you also hate black people.

It must be so awesome being you.

[ar4216]

@pazomblez HaHa! Yeah, that means I hate not only women but black people. You're a complete fucking idiot. It must be so awesome being you. Dipshit.

[pazomblez]

@ar4216

Uh huh. I think maybe I struck a nerve.

Racists often don't realise that they are or see themselves as such. You aren't any different.

[ar4216]

@pazomblez LOL! In your other comments you've displayed zero depth of thinking when it comes to this issue, so yeah, keep throwing out the insults. I don't care. I think it's a bit sad but other than that, I'm cool with it. Call me a racist, sexist, whatever. I do the dopey comments you've made on this video make you look like a simpleton but no big deal. I would think you might want to engage in the discussion but I understand- if your position is weak it's probably best just to troll.

[Torgo1969]

@ar4216 "Call me a racist, sexist, whatever."

Keep on keepin' on, friend. Everyone's a sexist and a racist, and anyone who tells you differently is selling you lies, so don't let it get to you. Frankly, it's getting old, like the boy who cried wolf. Remember, there are no struggles for equality, only struggles for power.

[pazomblez]

@ar4216

uh huh, i'm not trolling. just refuse to waste time trying to argue something with someone who is never going to agree with me no matter how sound and valid the claims i make are.

i love how you start being condescending too. people who are hateful assholes are usually elitist idiots, too.

[ar4216]

@pazomblez Fuck me, you're a complete imbecile and you like Chomsky. How the fuck is this possible. Anyway, get a fucking clue you moron.

[FantasmaBAnco]

"to my suite"??? ""to my room"??

wut? I'm sorry, but even if it's *Daniel Craig* talking like a sexy robot, I'm going to be completely turned off by the clunkiness of his expression. Urgh! Sounds like a mistranslation, or something...

Maybe, "Hey skepchik, why don't you come on up to my room for some coffee?" Something like that... a bit smoother, a bit more fluid. Sounds like a guy who's verbally adept enough to have an interesting conversation with. You dig?

[mr1001nights]

@FantasmaBAnco

"Suite" sounds like they guy is wealthier (e.g. executive suite, honeymoon suite etc), and is less common than "room" so it adds some more plausible deniability (helping de-activate her anti-slut defense) because we know better what happens in man's "rooms" than in their "suites".

The way it's said should depend on the personality of the man & how he feels in the moment. I was writing the stuff, not saying it, so yeah, it may not be ideal, but in any case, you get the idea ;)

[pazomblez]

@mr1001nights

english mothafucka, do you speak it?

[Shawnruss]

@FantasmaBAnco

I agree, I was distracted by the strange expression "Come have some coffee to my suite."

It should read "Come to my suite and have some coffee...."

Or you could read it like "Come have some coffee TO THE BATMOB... err, TO MY SUITE, SKEPCHICK!"

[DefenceSpeech]

From the looks of it, that girl is way overdue for some objectifying.

[Kropotkin2000]

I'm amazed and amused at the angry reactions these videos get.

[Grindermetalhead]

Are you really that dumb? If a stranger approaches a woman in an elevator and asks her to come to his room out of the blue, she will fell uncomfortable no matter if the guy is an "alpha", "beta", "gamma" or "zeta male". You don't do stuff like that because it's creepy and sleazy. Every woman knows that guys who do stuff like that are usually up to no good, so they naturally don't feel comfortable or safe being trapped alone inside the confined spaces with them.

[CuriousMoth]

@Grindermetalhead You, sir, are bang on the money. You don't do stuff like that because it's creepy and sleazy.

Anyway, I'm not even sure why I'm subscribed to this douchbag, so allow me to post this comment and fix that...

[mr1001nights]

@Grindermetalhead

Her comfort & his value r related. U can still lose her by making her uncomfortable later in courtship. It takes 7 hours. Why not as fast as men?

1) Ensure her initial value assessment is accurate

2) Appraise his willingness to commit value

The guy who approached her had heard her speak at the conference &told her that he found her "interesting". Her reaction would change if those celebrities said the same thing because they already have demonstrated much of what's needed

[mr1001nights]

@Grindermetalhead

The reason why being so interested at 1st is creepy is because the pre-selected alpha males that women prefer wouldnt be so needy. If you have a million $, would u be salivating at the sight of $1?

Of all the demonstrations of higher value (confidence, humor etc), disinterest (distributed at the macro and micro level) is the one that offers the woman overall indicators of value.

This means that by default, most males are assumed to have low value so yes, such proposals fail

[pazomblez]

@mr1001nights

-facepalm-

[Grindermetalhead]

@mr1001nights You just don't get it, do you? It has nothing to do with value of a man and everything to do with safety. Coming up to a woman in an elevator with such an indecent proposal is a form of harassment to begin with, and I can guarantee that the first thing she will contemplate in such a situation will not be his "value" but likeliness of her being hurt by him, based on the level of douchbaggery and sleaziness with which he approached her.

[ar4216]

@Grindermetalhead Level of "sleaziness"?! He didn't drop his pants and ask, "Wanna suck my cock?" He said:

"Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting and I would like to talk more. Would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee"

And then he left her alone. That's it. And you consider that sleazy? Do you think his behavior was sexist/misogynistic? What if a woman hits on a guy in an elevator? What if 2 people happily fuck in an elevator- are they both sexist?

[Grindermetalhead]

@ar4216 Proposing to strange women in elevator is by itself sleazy, but even if he really liked her and just wanted to talk to her, I believe they also serve coffee in hotel cafeteria, yet he invited her to his room, which means that he was more interested in talking her into fucking with him than he was in talking with her.

And guys usually don't see women hitting on them as a potential threat to their safety. Women do. When was the last time you heard of a guy being raped in an elevator?

[ar4216]

@Grindermetalhead What if after a night of clubbing a woman asks a man if he'd like to come back to her place? Would you call her a whore? Would you consider her behavior "sleazy" or even "sexist"? Do you consider what the man in the elevator did as being "sexist" or "misogynistic"? Rebecca apparently does- she says she was "sexualized" and objectified". Do you agree with her? People do get laid in elevators. Willingly. And they enjoy it. It's not always rape and it's not always threatening.

[CuriousMoth]

@ar4216 You hit the nail on the head right there, "It's not always rape" - so it is sometimes? And you don't see why that makes it threatening? And you don't see why that might make a girl uncomfortable? And you don't see the difference in 'after a night clubbing' and 'after a theological discussion'? Most people go clubbing to do three things: Get drunk, get high, meet someone to have sex with. You certainly don't go to a club to have a chat with anyone or get to know them, they're way too loud

[ar4216]

@CuriousMoth I never said I couldn't see why she might feel uncomfortable. But that does not make the guy a sexist/misogynist. Clueless? Perhaps. And forget about clubbing- imagine if Rebecca told the guy:

"Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting and I would like to talk more. Would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee"

And the guy made a video outraged that she had "sexually objectified" him and calling her a sexist. Would you defend him and be angry at skepchick?

[CuriousMoth]

@ar4216 At what point, at 4am in the morning, in the elevator of a hotel, is asking for coffee not a proposition for sex? Anybody in their right mind could see where that's leading and could see it from a mile off. Maybe some women would be okay with that, but others would be uncomfortable with such a proposition and to be honest it'd be okay if maybe they knew each other a bit and trusted each other, but this guy was essentially a complete stranger who had been following her around all day.

[ar4216]

@CuriousMoth Believe it or not, not every man has sex on their mind 24/7. That in itself is a sexist viewpoint. But let's assume you're right, that he POLITELY hit on her and she rebuffed him. So what? That makes poor Rebecca a victim of sexism/misogyny? Not every woman who is hit on under those circumstances would respond the same. How was he to know she would not be interested? And now the guy is being branded a misogynist? Bullshit. What a completely fucked up worldview.

[CuriousMoth]

@ar4216 Yea, you're right, it means he felt a connection that wasn't there and acted on it when he should have realised his affection was unrequited. I wouldn't personally call him misogynistic for that and if she has then I'd say it's an overreaction on her part. Still, it was a dumb thing to ask a woman he barely knew if she'd like to come for coffee at his place at 4am in the morning. Anyone in their right mind can see how that could and very likely would creep any woman out.

[pazomblez]

@Grindermetalhead

Yes, exactly right. Anyone with half a brain knows how important it is for a woman to feel safe with the person she is with.

Pretty sure these tactics (cold approach in an elevator, basically a PUAer's wet dream) only work on women who are mentally unstable/psychologically vulnerable. Predators are good at sniffing out these sorts of women and exploiting them...they often have an extremely disturbing ability to just 'read' women in this way, without even speaking to them.

[CuriousMoth]

@mr1001nights What a lot of utter bollocks. Women don't value disinterest, they value exactly what everyone else values, someone who's friendly, funny, helpful, compassionate, etcetera, etcetera. They value good traits, a good moral compass, a good ability to converse and a good ability to accomplish - just like pretty much every guy, every other girl and near enough everyone on the planet.

Try thinking of women as people rather than sex objects for fuck's sake.

[pazomblez]

@CuriousMoth

Unless they're broken narcissists...a lot of that going around these days.

*ahem*

But you're absolutely right, mentally *healthy* women value all of the things you listed.

[JessAtlas]

@CuriousMoth Not sexually though. When a man expresses strong interest it's a sign that they aren't as wanted by other women. Hence why it's so common for women to think all the "hot" guys are taken.

An unwanted man is not as appealing as a wanted one. That's one of the reasons women get jealous of other women so easily. There's a competitive instinct women have towards having the man the other girls want.

[Torgo1969]

@JessAtlas "When a man expresses strong interest it's a sign that they aren't as wanted by other women."

Another reason to go your own way and ignore women and focus on career and hobbies. If a man has time for manipulative female drama then he isn't working hard enough. Jealousy is for the weak, hence why women feel it so often. It goes with their cowardice and dishonesty and artifice toward the men they want, according to my ex-GF when she said she was glad to not be an honest straight man.

[PersianPaladin]

@CuriousMoth

Bullshit. I have those values, and a nice attractive lady friend of mine told me that I have all those qualities - YET, she is still looking for a soul-mate and a marriage partner, and it certainly isn't me. She hasn't given any reasons as to why she isn't interested in me in the intimate sense. I guess because I'm not quite alpha enough for her.

[CuriousMoth]

@PersianPaladin So, this nice attractive lady friend. You asked her about your qualities and she told you what I said were good qualities?

[Shawnruss]

@CuriousMoth

I don't think you understand what Mr1001nights is saying in his videos.

He is talking about the differences between genders initial attractions. In general, the evolutionarily attributable attractions between men and women are very different. That's a fact. He then postulates further based on this fact. Not on his sexual objectification of women.

You've built quite a strawman, err, strawPERSON, in your attack against him.

[pazomblez]

I love how you think that this is natural, and isn't a symptom of the extremely fucked up, pathological culture in which we live.

[mr1001nights]

@pazomblez

But of coouuurse, evolution & sexual selection are a cultural construct; after the revolution we'll all get laid...a gigantic egalitarian orgy.

[pazomblez]

@mr1001nights

yeah, because that's what i said. again, my level of discourse is on par with yours. if you want more serious feedback, provide more serious commentary.

[pazomblez]

@pazomblez

oh, before you start raising your eyebrows, my first sentence was SARCASM.

durr?

[Sivels]

@mr1001nights lol!

[lebroz]

Yo i am in nyc area brooklyn and women and girls are exactly like this i try to talk to girls and i even in a esp way feel them looking at me making decision on money use me ratio

[socratesXLIX]

Skepchick displayed zero degrees of empathy based on selective biological pressure. If the man asked for help Skepchick in a difference situation may display much more empathy - such as a call for help "I am having a heart attack."

All of us have our preferences.

[hagsmunamadurinn]

Absolutely spot on!

[ryler05]

haha this is so true so true!

[Torgo1969]

Gold!

I really go for pale-skinned women and I sure as shit don't need a priest to give me permission to be with a woman...but this brittle "skepchick" makes it very easy for a man to go his own way.

A non-resilient woman? No thank you. I'll spend my disposable income on precious metals, which (unlike Skepchick) are appreciating assets.

[CuriousMoth]

@Torgo1969 You talk as if she exists for no purpose other than to satisfy men. She's her own person for crying out loud, it's up to her who she wants to date or not date, or what trinkets she appreciates or doesn't, or how 'brittle' she wants to be, or any of it.

[Torgo1969]

@CuriousMoth No. It's up to her reptilian hypergamous brain who she wants to date or not, etc. She's a slave obeying her giny tingles and her rational mind is powerless. She's thinking with her cunt, and it's long past time she and all women get called on it.

I've been followed home from the gym by a 270 lb powerlifting gay man and propositioned on my porch, but I don't think of it as worth a public complaint, just an anecdote. That's how an adult deals with other adults in civil society.

[ar4216]

@Torgo1969

Right on! I saw this comment left on her blog. Madness!

"I think this is the perfect time to put in place a TAM Women’s Advisory Group to vet speakers and presentations. This group could weed out people who have shown themselves to be hostile to women (Dawkins is a gimme, but I’m thinking of other person-”oids” who need to be ejected from the skeptical fold). Removing these anti-woman people from TAM would go a long way toward getting people like me to show up there!"