BBC - Sacred Music - Bach and the Lutheran Legacy - Part 2/6

[uscgkid109]

Bach is my cousin. Very strange...

[frillydaffodilly]

Trev!!!! xxx

[alilapointe1]

luther doctrine ????????????

[wcbroccoli]

The music originally introduced into Lutheran services was in somewhat complex, polyphonic settings. It's very unlikely that the congregation sang these settings. Such settings were more likely performed by trained singers. The vocal chorale harmonizations Bach wrote for the Leipzig liturgy were not sung by the congregation, nor were they intended to be sung by the congregation, contrary to what is suggested in this video.

[wcbroccoli]

Luther acknowledged that he wasn't a composer and engaged professional musicians to provide church music. The isometric harmonization of Luther's tune heard here is by Bach,not Luther. The tune Luther composed (1527-29) is much more rhythmic. Isometric versions of Lutheran hymn tunes began to appear in the 17th c.

[sk8nruff]

wait...serously!? "gee-zoo?!" i just threw up a little.

[wcbroccoli]

Why does the narrator insist on pronouncing every German word as though it were English? Gee-zoo?

[CinnAlla]

@wcbroccoli er... because he's English?

[wcbroccoli]

@CinnAlla Er... the narrator also speaks German, so he KNOWS that "Jesu" is NOT pronounced Gee-zoo!

[CinnAlla]

@wcbroccoli The 10th movement of Bach's cantata 'Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben' is commonly known in Britain (and in most other English-speaking countries) as 'Jesu joy of man's desiring', after the first line of the English version by Robert Bridges. 'Jesu' is usually sung or pronounced as 'jee-zyoo' rather than 'yay-soo' in this and in many other pieces of religious music in English. It's just how it is. We manage to live with it.

[wcbroccoli]

@CinnAlla Here, in the American colonies, we don't pretend not to know how continental European consonants and vowels are pronounced: Yay-Zoo. Not Gee-Zyou. lol

I suppose you Brits would say "Hurts oond Mund ('u' as in shun) oond Tat ('a' as in rat) oond Lee-bun".

[CinnAlla]

@wcbroccoli It's just an accent. It's no big deal. We've got over it.

[pedantologist]

Can anyone tell me which fugue is playing at 6:12?

[skydrake3]

wonderful indeed! I'm also learning a lot from this historical exposition...Thank you Jormundgard

[emprock]

3:35 "..music touches the soul, in a way that spoken words does not.."

[vanni9283]

Wasn't it Luther who introduced the "gradual" hymn?

[pobinr]

this last programme number 4 in the series of 4 wasn't re shown for some reason recently. They only got as far as 3 Tallis & Byrd !

[Teigen64]

Wonderful series. Thank you.