IdrA vs. MorroW g3 2/2 - StarCraft 2 Commentary (IEM Finals) (#89)

[Angelslayer007]

i love seeing idra pwn

[wowdevil101]

remove the comment that is most thumbed up at the to for Christ sake it ruins the match completely.... idra would have won if marrow wasn't such a cheeser with reapers.

[hitnrunner303]

under rated commentator imo

[solidbones]

I don't understand why he didn't make any mutas. for a long, long time, marrow had no marines. I also don't get why marrow didn't pump out a few banshees to harass. But what really sucked was that ultras, the ultimate unit of the zerg army, is helpless against an MMM ball. sure marrow had tanks and they helped but it was the marauders that won him the game

[michaelZen100]

This iant idrA - idrA never gg's!

[ELMolliez]

mutas were missed during this game :(

[KtoRazi]

Lol, "idra getting 1000 resources, its the apocalypse!"

[Sisjoi]

@psyqmene

You have atrocious english.

[psyqmene]

@Sisjoi I sure know who is atrocious in u`r family

[brizihe]

Zerg wins if they go air, gets crapped on if they don't

[dessan18]

About time Idra learned a little lesson in manners

[kariido1]

It's sickening to see how weak Zerg are in their current state. The Roach nerf from 1 to 2 supply really weakened them and nothing's been done to buff them since.

[muusbolla]

i like your commentary

but Idra's play sucked... too many mistakes. He was almost back but he attacked needlessely

[kariido1]

@muusbolla Oh yes, I'm sure you could of played alot better.

[patochaos]

Good commentary man

[gabydewilde]

crap zerg play

[Swax6302]

i think idra just needs to learn how to use the nitus worm...

[miketgates]

@Alexon88 That's what is great about corrupters. You can make a bunch of them, morph some into broodlords when you get near the frontline, and now your broodlords are protected by the remaining corrupters from units like vikings.

[miketgates]

I don't understand why IdrA is always reluctant to build broodlords. Ultras go down way too quick to pay for themselves, but with broodlord range and damage, they are very effective against MMM, especially when you pair them with corrupters (although that is not needed in this game). Just keep them out of range of the marines, and you can take out some pretty massive armies, later rolling in and taking out bases.

[fateola]

@miketgates Totally agree, it surprises me that he doesn't use broodlords in situations like this.

[Alexon88]

@miketgates he had no anti air, vikings would have cleaned them so easily. also he didn't tech air units,

[Rusaarules]

@Nuel033 I think you can't nerd rage in official tournaments like he usually does.

[FatOscar0]

I actually hope they never make zerg better, I like playing as the underdog race :). Regardless of the IdrA losing frequently and being a bad sport you cannot deny he does a hell of a good job playing the "worst" race. I say keep up the good work!

[h3l1lo0]

thanks for making a click link to the next part... you are the only commentator that does that ^^

[goldfinger490]

@h3l1lo0 AGREED, I was so surprised by this, I wish all casters would do this.

[Alexon88]

@h3l1lo0 not hte only.

[Susanmugen]

Infestors were a good choice. I'm not sure about having zero anti-air in this game. Not a hydra? not a muta? Not even extra queens when he was out of larva and had over 1k minerals?  It made the drop-ship play too effective.

[CSBluefingers]

Really like how you end each video with a continue to next video interactive link. Makes your videos seem seamless and allows us to retain our enjoyment without pause. Keep em coming

[PurexOvvnage]

why does nobody do banelings traps, works very well

[FatOscar0]

@PurexOvvnage good terran players comsat the location in front of their army to see if anything fishy is going on. It catches the unwise player very well however and can also work occasionally against players if there is a lot going on at once.

[misteratoz]

THe zerg just aren't good, personally I prefer protoss.

[Darc1228]

i think zerg needs a buff

[chau2k5]

why does idra hate corruptors and brood lords? He had so much gas. Corruptors could take out the medivacs and brood lords easily take out tanks and militia. Ultralisk are so useless without full upgrades. (IMO, ultralisk should be able to melee attack air units)

[codglitcher4life]

omg i think idras growing up!!! just kidding.....

[Blaeckchen]

nc to terran

[8ballasnow]

AHA! RAAAAGGGGEEEEE

[olyfag]

Beautiful macro from both players

[Paggee]

In my opinion, it should require an Orbital Command or Engineering Bay to start building Tech Labs. Or the Reapers should require its own tech building, like Ghosts. The Tech Lab'ed Barracks can just produce so many strong units, and it is completed in almost no time at all. It's wrong! Already they produce a very effective anti air unit from the barracks with no add-ons. They are so spoiled, those Terrans...

[tuberunner101]

If I were to guess, I would say that IdrA beat MorroW in this game in Actions Per Minute, but lost the game because he could not get ahead with his economy. MorroW did well exploiting the reapers, but Terran has just too man tools for IdrA to deal with. The Zerg players rely heavily on having more of everything in order to offset that their units can't stand up to the Terran might. They need to have their wings clipped a bit, and this vid seems to support that.

[TeamFaO]

dont scream terrans are imba they are the strongst but in this game the win the normal way

this game was lost by idras bad micro (roaches infront of banelings) and bad macro (ultralisk cavern at frot lol) and having to much gas.

[luckycandy101]

I love how when Terrans go MM ppl look down on them and saythey dont deserve to win. THats retarded MM is a strategy that works. Its no different from going Mass void rays or mass hydras. GG a great commentary

[ebag111s]

OPOPOP lol

[dreadfear1]

Its a shame morrow won, he didnt deserve these wins.

[slintirreg]

@dreadfear1 because idra didn't deliver him his third expo on a silver platter ? because the drop to take out the evo chamber was a stupid executed move? because idra could not build another hatch at his main to get more larva?

because the baneling nest scouted by and instantly taken down was the mark of a bad player? because idras attack with his army when they had even food was just a simple a move where he most likely didn't' even watched and lost which him the game right there?

[netskater4454]

@slintirreg agree, so sick of hearing about which race being the strongest, and shit, its not the race, its the players, not everyone could execute reapers that well, and still manage to macro up, gosh so many terran haters

[BreakpointStarcraft]

@slintirreg Because Morrow exploiting rediculous harrasment units that take almost no time to get out in the early game. have no early counter by zerg. and are easily tech swapped into MMM... OH WAIT U DONT HAVE TO SWAP SHIT. CUZ 1 BUILDING FOR 175/25 = 3 SUPER UNITS. 1 anti armor. 1 anti air. 1 heavy harras with no upgrade to cliffwalk. wtf

[lucasvandam]

idrA actualy sayd gg?...

[Alexon88]

@lucasvandam gg to ggs not to badgames.

[Titan001]

@lucasvandam why would you say anything that would give away what is going to happen

[koss121]

@lucasvandam ti's said you retard

[lucasvandam]

@koss121 ''ti`s said you retard'' Lol get your spelling correct retard. it`s it`s not ti`s...

[itachid]

Man this game is bullshit. 12 years of waiting only to get an incomplete package. defilers replaced with infestors. Lurkers replaced with burrow moving roaches and quick zerg speed replaced with absolute NEED for spread creep? BS BS BS. They pushed back zerg abilities and expanded on terrans. WTF! Blizzard better be hard at work on that patch and an apology speech. You cant have players play for money with this bullshit. +Merader, hellion, reaper, medic/dropship... +roach, queen... bullshit...

[itachid]

@itachid AND baneling but thats a bs cheese unit. I didnt even mention thors but i dont have to. Hell, even jesus would GG, rage quit and demand you ask for forgiveness.

[stasxxx]

TERRAN IMBA !!!!

[linenlines]

idra with 1000 gas still has droens on gas

[Aizuaka]

I am so tired of ignorant people who think terran isnt OP.. you must be terran players if you are THAT ignorant. IdrA and morrow are both amazing players. Everyone who plays SC2 who has half a brain should see that terran is OP in almost every aspect against zerg. Mech builds are extremely unbalanced. Air ? Thors rape air. Ground ? Tanks rape ground. Wtf are you supposed to do against that ? Nothing , because you cant unless you are a godly zerg player , or if the terran is a complete asstard.

[Risreify]

@Aizuaka There was none of those in this game simply Idra lost, he couldnt macro up and for ffs against that many marauders you go and madke ultras that isnt very smart so stop whining all of terran units of but none of zerg are? seriously stop whining terran is pretty strong compared to zerg i agree with that but not "that much" sorry but i have to say that "QQ MOAR"

[pkbro1122]

@Aizuaka i play protoss and that is more ballenced i guess, but over all terran vs zerg is just bull shit. nerf terran because they are the ones that are causing this shit

[oIIBLACKOUTIIo]

@pkbro1122 dude your right terran sucks dick!!!!!!! OP

[ShowXTime777]

@Aizuaka I say its more of a map problem than an imbalance between the two races. On the maps that Zerg can get a good surround on, are the maps that zerg can win easily. Maps that have small choke points are the ones that kills zerg armies. Even in SC: BW maps like Lost Temple really favored the Terran by abusing the high ground.

PS. A terran player myself, I do agree the early harrassment from terran needs to a bit more "difficult",but I dont' think its a problem with anything else.

[sinekonata]

@ShowXTime777

that was always my opinion in broodwar too but I still feel that in this map or another, zerg will have to to cope with all the blood sweat and tears while terran can get to autopilot mode and free his hands to tech, macro, expand at will (thx to PF, turrets and repair), and drop at will (thx to healing, fast and cheap medivac)...

So as a whole, yes I feel that in general T>>P>Z and makes it as hard to root for T in a game as it is easy to play it (my ladder stats confirm this).

[ShowXTime777]

@sinekonata Well stats wise win to loss ratio is current T>>P>Z.

And by auto pilot I hope you mean auto attack.

Blizzard could try to nerf that but remember dragoons from SW:BW? The worst AI ever created?

And if they try to screw around with the 1. 1. 1 build, Protoss's gateway units will trample over Terran.

And if Blizzard try to screw around with M&M build mech's gonna be the only build.

Idk, while I do agree that Terran is a bit overpowered, I PERSONALLY, can't find anything to nerf.

[sinekonata]

@ShowXTime777 by auto pilot I meant that once your T defense is set, it is pretty hard to break, which means you have hands free to do what you see fit...

[asdfgoogle]

For those of you who are unsure that it's Idra because of the GG, watch the previous two games.

[CravenChokedKitten]

Love the "Continue to part 2"-thingy at the end of the first part. ^^ <3

[Telekenesis123]

Idra's only being good becuase he got penalty points at the tournament for bad mouthing the admins.

[wantmorednb]

epic flaming and trolling going on lol :D

Nice commentary Josh! cool match :)

I like how IdrA GGs now. Maybe he grew up.

[JouniKari]

I think he built the ultra cavern at that expo because if he is going to lose that base, it would be over anyways. And there it is safest considering drops.

[JouniKari]

@JouniKari Although after watching past that point of the replay where he rebuilt the cavern... Well I just think he still wanted to try one last time as that battle at the bottom expo didn't go so bad for him.

[kornuletz]

This whole bandwagon of whiny people is getting ridiculous...

Idra plays Zerg because of the "racial difference", Zerg is all about macro and that is the main point about him. He lost the macro game thus lost the game. Well deserved.

[eeg10]

It looks like its shawn, not idra. Idra never ggs when he loses,

[elfalomasmalo]

Idra made a mistake by forcing the issue with the bunkers in the south and going Ultras against Tank Marauder, should have gone brood lord and kept using the infestors + roaches.

[fishinguy271]

@elfalomasmalo brood lords wudve been very slow - he had to make spire + greater spire as well. If terran scouted it it wud have been easy for terran to get vikings out of reactor starport. Ultras were ok, but ultra cavern was a mistake and notice the +2 upgrade never finished.

[elfalomasmalo]

@fishinguy271 He did build that Ultra Cavern in a very exposed location

[whomybuddy]

........................Reaper micro is too good...... Normally I would be able to stop all reapers harass with queens , lings, and roaches speed..... Idra had so much problem with those reapers in early game which is his down fall. Amazing how the terran micro those reapers while macro up in his base XD. Sick APM man.

[efthio]

I know that idra rages a lot that tvz is imbalanced right now, but I also know that as a sc1 terran player, he chose zerg as his sc2 race, because during beta roaches were overpowered, but they nerfed the shit out of roaches later. So he can't back up right now as he already invested in his training as a zerg, yet it is payback time now that reapers are OP. But I sense a nerf bat is also coming for reapers.

[Dangles1337]

watched this for the idra rage, there was none. my face: @_@

[alexKrasny]

@Dangles1337 He doesn't rage in big tournaments when he is sponsored. He only rages in ladder games mostly.

[lilphillio]

do you think it would have been a good idea to get the upgrade for the overlords and load the banelings into them, and drop it into the bio ball?

[ijockbeast]

r u sure that idra? he GG'd o__O LOL

[DontFearGrim]

@hyperakee dont put yourself on idra's level. even morrow admitted that reapers are imbalanced after he beat dimaga. zerg early game is a joke compared to the overwhelming power terran can have right at the start. dont worry though, a balance patch is coming soon enough :D

[Yoonjin90]

Wow is this how TvZ always gona be now.

Only using this 1 strat? Sc2 competitive scene is gona be boring....

[nihlify]

@Yoonjin90 Are you fucking kidding me? In every video I've watched with a terran, people cry about the terran using mech, hellion openings, bioballs, reapers, banshees, basically everything they do... If terran players would do as whiny little zerg players wanted they wouldn't be allowed to get a single unit except marines to you can use your precious banelings to blow them up. You sound like giant babies.

[alvarodelamo]

Idra seemed like the better player in this game though :S.

[nihlify]

@alvarodelamo No he didn't. Having over 1000 minerals isn't "seeming like the better player". Placing the baneling nest as well as the ultra cavern in exposed locations isn't. Using his inject larva poorly so he couldn't get out enough units early to mid game isn't. But hey, he played against a terran so he must play better right?

[icedragon003]

@nihlify actually idra used inject larvae almost perfectly. look at the energy on the queens and the larvae on the hatches. it's just larvae don't respawn fast enough if you're making lings and roaches

[slintirreg]

@icedragon003 but he actually had enough money for another hatch just for larva production.

[Thaistyleboy]

doesnt matter the matchup just sucks for zerg :( this is not balance :( for zerg

[TsuDymphna]

Really frustrating to see how the same exact terran strategy works every game, even when you know exactly what is coming. You really have to rely on the terran making a mistake, even if you play perfectly.

[nihlify]

@TsuDymphna If you watched the tournament, Idra won against several other terran players doing this strategy. But hey, if you can make up a fact, just do it! Idra lost because he played worse.

[TsuDymphna]

@nihlify Morrow isn't a bad player, and yes Morrow was better than the other Terran players in the tourney, so he was the best Terran player. He is not as skilled a player as Idra though. Idra lost because of the racial difference mainly. Yes, his skill let him beat the earlier Terran players doing it, but it wasn't enough to beat Morrow and the racial imbalance combined.

Yes, Terran is op. No, that doesn't mean it is impossible to beat a Terran player, just that it is harder.

[WestliFerZul]

@TsuDymphna He did beat Tarson (terran) 3-0 in the semi-finals and Tarson is on par with morrow in skill so your argument doesn't hold much water

[fishinguy271]

@TsuDymphna Just answer this question - how can Idra be the more "skilled" player when he let his minerals and gas go up to 1k? How can he be skilled when he forgets larvae injects? How can he be better when he leaves the ultra cavern in the worse position possible. Think about these things before randomly assuming than Idra is god and can only loose because of racial imbalance.

[Aizuaka]

@fishinguy271 IdrA is an amazing player. And joshy explained why he had 1k minerals , roaches are extremely cost effective , as are speedlings. IdrA is a skilled player because he is one of the top 10 best players in the world as ZERG. And in late game , it is impossible for a zerg to keep their minerals below 1k. Zerg is the hardest race to master , and idrA has mastered it. IdrA is alot more skilled than the faceroll required to play terran.

[fishinguy271]

@Aizuaka Late game? we are talking about the 10 miniute mark. Yes lings and roaches are cost effective but Idra had remembered to inject he could have used those minerals much better. All the zergs want to do is mass expands all over the place so they can throw 200/200 armies at the terran every 3 miniutes. Zerg macro is hard but if played correctly it is extreamly strong. That is why the terran have to do early presure as even midgame pushes now are difficult because of this "magic box"

[BreakpointStarcraft]

@fishinguy271 How do you purpose zerg go about beating reaper spam? 1 base? you lose to econ. expand? you get harrased in 2 areas. roaches aren't fast enough to defend and zerglings have no ability to harras. reapers to extra dmg to spine crawlers and can hop cliffs to avoid blocked ramps / spines at ramp

[BreakpointStarcraft]

@BreakpointStarcraft Edit : zerglings have no ability to surround. they also cannot take down the terran wall to harras either. you cant tech muts early cuz reapers can blow up the building in 2 volleys. as we saw the baneling nest go.

[eAzydaman]

@TsuDymphna Bullshit, he didnt even use alot of mech, he outplayed Idra simple as that. Go Sweden :P

[Suicideman0]

it seems to me that sc2 maps are far less open than in sc1, and zerg really need open space to fight effectively. I think this is one of the main reasons terran do so well against zerg.

[Shadec1]

idra had no air....

[nihlify]

@Shadec1 So? That isn't unusual for high level zerg players against terran. Mutas are often horrible against terran and corrupters are only good against bcs.

[Shadec1]

@nihlify brood lords are great vs all ground units

[albayes34]

gg!

[MrDietsalt]

I have to say IdrA had a few miss plays this game, from the bad placements of the baneling and ultra den to just miss managing his army.

[l0zzb0t]

@MrDietsalt bad placement? morrow used the shrub and the choke to his advantage. that map was too terran favored

[ElitexSnipax]

gg :D

[som3where]

good game