Terry molested his daughter and Stevie recurring for a few years, such as forcing Stevie to watch him masturbate and make him perform sex acts on his sister Amanda. Amanda continued to claim that Terry sexually assaulted her frequently. Apparently, a doctor confirmed these allegations of forced penetration. Along with sexual abuse, beatings were supposedly a regular occurrence as well.
Stevie told this to family before he was murdered.
@justonefirefly1 True..I read this evidence myself. Hobbs is one greasy lyin puke. Did ya watch his depo ? He is disturbed man. He used to lock Stevie in the closet too. He told his Grama these things before he was murdered. 3 people say they saw Hobbs with the boys that day.. yet..Hobbs said he never saw them.WHEN are they ever gonna reopen this case ? Where is the justice?
Terry molested his daughter and Stevie recurring for a few years, such as forcing Stevie to watch him masturbate and make him perform sex acts on his sister Amanda. Amanda continued to claim that Terry sexually assaulted her frequently. Apparently, a doctor confirmed these allegations of forced penetration. Along with sexual abuse, beatings were supposedly a regular occurrence as well.
did you catch that? when thay were talking about the knives at first he said he carried one for work then latter when asked that, he said he never carried one for work.
they have this new DNA in ENGLAND ,they can test blood and DNA,and fingerprints,20 years after the crime,its unreal to watch,they have the best FORENSIC in the world,the cop who invented this ,spent 30 years working on it,and what a break he got ,unreal,they should let him test the remaining evidence,they can get a finger print of clothing,and DNA,after 20 years wow ,it would nail terry hobbs ass
@yellowrose011 We have the same technology in the USA and have used it on many cases in which the person imprisoned claimed to be innocent. Several have been released from prison because of this tech.
At 8:16, he asks Hobbs "do you remember Stevie ever having a knife at all?". Hobbs pauses for atleast 5 seconds and then wipes his eye twice (an obvious tell he is nervous about the question). This is the knife that Pam says Stevie always carried with him, but was not with him when he died. It was found among Hobbs's knives.
Stevie's knife was found in Hobbs stuff. Pam says Stevie always carried it with him and it would have been with him the day he was Murdered. So how did Hobbs get it? Then his DNA . They sure did a piss poor job investigating. I hope they lie awake and think about how they convicted innocent men. I hope it eats at them day and night. Free the 3
@7pretty7 Shelby is just upset because she "knows her role" as a woman and is upset she has to do so much laundry. So she victimizes anyone who has to do the back breaking work of laundry. The guy did it Shelby! No one cares about your miniscule problems. Get over it.
I have to coment on what people are saying here. first they say terry did laundry and washed curtians and things the night of the killings, sugesting that he had killed the boys at his house and then discarded the bodys. The close they found of the boys were found turned inside out. It would be hard to belive anyone could kill, do laundry, and discard 3 bodys and 3 bikes all in the same night and not be noticed.
@juliejazz Lets say they find blood from one of the little boys on one of those knives and he's admitted to it being his in this interview. And yes blood could still be on the knife 17 years later. I would personally check the knife he said wasn't his and didn't know where it came from. He is distancing himself from that weapon for what ever reason, it's worth a shot but I doubt these inbred idiots bothered to check. The WM3 are still in prison and that says it all. Backwards fucks!
@tbfhbook I don't think any knife was used in the attacks on the boys. There is some talk that the perp may have used Steve's pocket knife to cut the shoelaces used to bind the bodies. I believe the defense is looking into whether fibers remain on Stevie's knife, which was much later found with Hobbs' collection, and/or whether the new "touch DNA" technique reveals anything on the laces.
idk where u all get ur story from the there was a knife that was used @ the crime scene cause if u all watch the documantry of Paradice Lost Child Murder on Robinhood Hills during Jessie Misskelly's trial they showed pics of Michael Moore's body & it clearly shows that his testicles was removed it goes to show that there was a knife or knives that was used @ the crime scene if u don't believe me go & rewatch the case!!!!!!!!
Well after the documentaries were made, the evidence was reviewed again by some of the best, most expert pathologists in the world. They all agree that there was no knives used in the murders. The damage to the testicles and other cuts and marks, except the bite mark, were made after death by animals in the woods. See the update on the WM3 site. Unfortunately, as good as the docu's were, they are somewhat obsolete because of new evidence, and especially evidence reviewed by REAL experts.
@demon312003 watch paradise Lost 2 and Time for the Truth. It has now been proven that the scratches and injuries to the boys were done post mortem by animals. Even the removal of Byer's genitals.
notice how when the detective shows terry the pics of the knives, there is one sheet that has (i'm guessing stevie's knife) and when the detective shows him this, terry points out one of the knives and there detective looks at the other detective, that's a dead give away and also when the detective asks terry if he ever knew of steve owning a knife, terry freezes up for a good minute. He looks like a deer in headlights,
as a young boy, an still to this day, i keep precious pics/family mamemto's in my wallet, i still do now, as im proud of them. i would never leave them somewhere else but on my person.
Yes true the knife in question is a little pocket knife found in Hobbs posession that belonged to his stepson... leaning toward a trophy kind of scenerio... nothing to do with murder weapon. I know it's so crazy there wasn't even a knife used in the killing and the prosecution layed most of their case on completely lame knife wound evidence. pathetic.
And why now does he want his teeth back he had them locked up so why now does he want them is there something there he doesn't want to get out to the police ?
I agree Judginu there is way more important.evidence than finding knifes.like when he says he went in to the woods only after he picks up Pam then a few mins later says he went in the woods then left to go get Pam from work.Hmmm and the hair in the laces found that tied the boys up him an David's ? Hmmm
@Judginu I'm glad there's someone else here with some common sense! ...."he moved his foot!" "he waited 3 seconds before answering!" "his voice sounds different than it did 2 minutes ago!" HE MUST BE GULTY!!!!!!.... Geez, people. You're acting like the same people that put the WM3 in jail with no evidence.
?? He "found" two of the knives in the street. Strange--I'm as old as him, but have yet to ever find a knife in the street, never mind 2.
There is a 7 second pause after being asked whether Stevie ever owned a knife. Seven seconds. And notice the voice stress (audible) when talking about it.
Kittens -- the issue is that Stevie's mom said that Stevie ALWAYS had that pocket knife with him -- ALWAYS. He was a boy scout and so proud of having gone through knife safety class that he always carried it. ALWAYS. Then it's missing when he's killed ..... then it turns up in Hobbs' drawer.
That alone isn't enuf to convict TH, but it's a piece in a jigsaw puzzle that comes together pretty well (previous history of violence, bad timeline on 5/5/93, his hair & his friend's at the scene...)
I hear what you're saying but Pam was a mess of a human being. I don't think she's a very credible person. Also kids lose stuff all the time...that knife could have been sitting around the house...who knows. I agree Hobbs is suspicious I always thought in the Paradise lost documetaries he never looked distraught with grief...he looked nervous! I really do hope someone figures this out. I was happy to see after all these years that something/someone was being questioned by the authorities.
also one more thing however guilty or not guilty hobbs really is, Byers was in on this I have always thought that. I can see him turning into an absolute uncontrollable monster. To me He was the biggest suspect.
I don't agree Byers was involved. Check out my You Tube videos; I've met him and hung out with him. He's whacky, but not a killer.
From what I've heard from people that knew her in 93 - Pam wasn't bad until after 5/5/93.
There's an excellent Yuku discussion on the WM3. I can't put the full link here or You Tube will reject the comment as spam, but remove the spaces from:
h t t p :// westmemphisthreediscussion .yuku. com / forum / view/id/ 5
Right and Christopher Byers was supposed to have been wearing some sort of bracelet thing that was no longer on him at the time of the murders. Please remember that no blood was found on any of the clothing and yet they were beaten quite badly. Also, two pairs of the boys underwear were never recovered. Witnesses stated in depositions found within the exhibits of Hobbs vs Pasdar that Hobbs washed tons of laundry the night the boys went missing - including curtains and other things.
What a friggin liar. This guy finds knives on the ground all the time?
Dysanfel23 4 months ago 2
An Arkansas fellow who does NOT carry a pocket knife? There is no such creature.
And Boy Scouts without pocket knives?
Credulity is in the process of being stretched very, very thin here.
I wish this officer doing the "interview" would do the interview or get off the pot.
WambaShuffle 4 months ago 4
we all find not a knife, but KNIVES on the road...what the hell?? again....sorry hes dead. but what of chris's step father???????
meshell86 5 months ago
Why if Terry Hobbs knew nothing about these Knives, was he wanting to get these back so quickly?
Although these videos do not show much, it does make me question him, unlike the other videos I have seen about anyone else involved in the case.
They need to try him so he can either clear his name or suffer for his crimes.
I will not state he is guilty but it does appear that way after looking at these videos.
IllegalCopyPresents 5 months ago 2
I've lived a lot of years and I've yet to find a knife on the ground. Must be living in the wrong states, I guess.
hollytoo 5 months ago 3
Terry molested his daughter and Stevie recurring for a few years, such as forcing Stevie to watch him masturbate and make him perform sex acts on his sister Amanda. Amanda continued to claim that Terry sexually assaulted her frequently. Apparently, a doctor confirmed these allegations of forced penetration. Along with sexual abuse, beatings were supposedly a regular occurrence as well.
Stevie told this to family before he was murdered.
justonefirefly1 5 months ago 3
@justonefirefly1 Wow, I didn't know this about him sexually molesting the children.
csturne2011 4 months ago
@justonefirefly1 True..I read this evidence myself. Hobbs is one greasy lyin puke. Did ya watch his depo ? He is disturbed man. He used to lock Stevie in the closet too. He told his Grama these things before he was murdered. 3 people say they saw Hobbs with the boys that day.. yet..Hobbs said he never saw them.WHEN are they ever gonna reopen this case ? Where is the justice?
7pretty7 3 months ago
Terry molested his daughter and Stevie recurring for a few years, such as forcing Stevie to watch him masturbate and make him perform sex acts on his sister Amanda. Amanda continued to claim that Terry sexually assaulted her frequently. Apparently, a doctor confirmed these allegations of forced penetration. Along with sexual abuse, beatings were supposedly a regular occurrence as well.
justonefirefly1 5 months ago
did you catch that? when thay were talking about the knives at first he said he carried one for work then latter when asked that, he said he never carried one for work.
sdavis732010 11 months ago 2
What is the deal with all the knives? He "finds" them "around" on the ground?
50kristens 1 year ago
@50kristens That does sound kind of "off" doesnt it.
Theliberalssuck1 11 months ago
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yellowrose011 1 year ago
@yellowrose011 I'm listening so fuck em ..FREE THE 3..peace..Pretty
7pretty7 1 year ago
He's more nervous than a cat in a room full of rockers!
Body language speaks volumes too!
IamChattyCathy 1 year ago
wm3blackboard -dot- com (register to gain access to resources about the case, read and/or participate in discussions, and help free the WM3)
322melissa 1 year ago
They need to make this fucker take a polygraph.
MyTwoCentsAreFree 1 year ago 9
they have this new DNA in ENGLAND ,they can test blood and DNA,and fingerprints,20 years after the crime,its unreal to watch,they have the best FORENSIC in the world,the cop who invented this ,spent 30 years working on it,and what a break he got ,unreal,they should let him test the remaining evidence,they can get a finger print of clothing,and DNA,after 20 years wow ,it would nail terry hobbs ass
yellowrose011 1 year ago 23
@yellowrose011 We have the same technology in the USA and have used it on many cases in which the person imprisoned claimed to be innocent. Several have been released from prison because of this tech.
Theliberalssuck1 11 months ago
ice cream route? = GUILTY
redpaul79 1 year ago 2
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yellowrose011 1 year ago
what was the motive?i think if we know that itll help zoom in on the real killer /s
jimpurdie 1 year ago
At 8:16, he asks Hobbs "do you remember Stevie ever having a knife at all?". Hobbs pauses for atleast 5 seconds and then wipes his eye twice (an obvious tell he is nervous about the question). This is the knife that Pam says Stevie always carried with him, but was not with him when he died. It was found among Hobbs's knives.
louielovett 1 year ago 19
@louielovett YES HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ,HOW DID HE GET IT,HE TOOK IT WHEN HE WAS KILLING THEM BOYS
yellowrose011 1 year ago 8
Stevie's knife was found in Hobbs stuff. Pam says Stevie always carried it with him and it would have been with him the day he was Murdered. So how did Hobbs get it? Then his DNA . They sure did a piss poor job investigating. I hope they lie awake and think about how they convicted innocent men. I hope it eats at them day and night. Free the 3
7pretty7 1 year ago 10
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7pretty7 1 year ago
@7pretty7 Shelby is just upset because she "knows her role" as a woman and is upset she has to do so much laundry. So she victimizes anyone who has to do the back breaking work of laundry. The guy did it Shelby! No one cares about your miniscule problems. Get over it.
tbfhbook 1 year ago 17
I have to coment on what people are saying here. first they say terry did laundry and washed curtians and things the night of the killings, sugesting that he had killed the boys at his house and then discarded the bodys. The close they found of the boys were found turned inside out. It would be hard to belive anyone could kill, do laundry, and discard 3 bodys and 3 bikes all in the same night and not be noticed.
shelby11211 1 year ago
Hobbs and his friend did this awful crime.
louielovett 1 year ago 7
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yellowrose011 1 year ago
@louielovett GUILTY AS SIN
yellowrose011 1 year ago
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7pretty7 2 years ago
Why is he being shown all of those knives?
juliejazz 2 years ago
@juliejazz Lets say they find blood from one of the little boys on one of those knives and he's admitted to it being his in this interview. And yes blood could still be on the knife 17 years later. I would personally check the knife he said wasn't his and didn't know where it came from. He is distancing himself from that weapon for what ever reason, it's worth a shot but I doubt these inbred idiots bothered to check. The WM3 are still in prison and that says it all. Backwards fucks!
tbfhbook 1 year ago 9
@tbfhbook I don't think any knife was used in the attacks on the boys. There is some talk that the perp may have used Steve's pocket knife to cut the shoelaces used to bind the bodies. I believe the defense is looking into whether fibers remain on Stevie's knife, which was much later found with Hobbs' collection, and/or whether the new "touch DNA" technique reveals anything on the laces.
juliejazz 1 year ago 6
Its very interesting to note that way back profiler Turvey predicted that the perpetrator would own a collection of knives.
bigTrhodes 2 years ago 8
idk where u all get ur story from the there was a knife that was used @ the crime scene cause if u all watch the documantry of Paradice Lost Child Murder on Robinhood Hills during Jessie Misskelly's trial they showed pics of Michael Moore's body & it clearly shows that his testicles was removed it goes to show that there was a knife or knives that was used @ the crime scene if u don't believe me go & rewatch the case!!!!!!!!
demon312003 2 years ago
Well after the documentaries were made, the evidence was reviewed again by some of the best, most expert pathologists in the world. They all agree that there was no knives used in the murders. The damage to the testicles and other cuts and marks, except the bite mark, were made after death by animals in the woods. See the update on the WM3 site. Unfortunately, as good as the docu's were, they are somewhat obsolete because of new evidence, and especially evidence reviewed by REAL experts.
sailorman13 2 years ago 5
@demon312003 watch paradise Lost 2 and Time for the Truth. It has now been proven that the scratches and injuries to the boys were done post mortem by animals. Even the removal of Byer's genitals.
paulamc1977 1 year ago
notice how when the detective shows terry the pics of the knives, there is one sheet that has (i'm guessing stevie's knife) and when the detective shows him this, terry points out one of the knives and there detective looks at the other detective, that's a dead give away and also when the detective asks terry if he ever knew of steve owning a knife, terry freezes up for a good minute. He looks like a deer in headlights,
wedabradamane4 2 years ago
as a young boy, an still to this day, i keep precious pics/family mamemto's in my wallet, i still do now, as im proud of them. i would never leave them somewhere else but on my person.
gazzzzzza20303 2 years ago
Kittens - check out the "general case discussion" section on the board; it's the most active part.
EsqDave 2 years ago
it would be much more compelling if the knife had belonged to one of the other victims...not his own stepson.
kittenshateyou 2 years ago
but there was no knife used in the murders
devoydisme 2 years ago
Yes true the knife in question is a little pocket knife found in Hobbs posession that belonged to his stepson... leaning toward a trophy kind of scenerio... nothing to do with murder weapon. I know it's so crazy there wasn't even a knife used in the killing and the prosecution layed most of their case on completely lame knife wound evidence. pathetic.
kittenshateyou 2 years ago
then how were the testicles cut off?
dannarocks 2 years ago
And why now does he want his teeth back he had them locked up so why now does he want them is there something there he doesn't want to get out to the police ?
deedeejenkins 3 years ago
Is it the teeth he wanted back or the knives? The sound is so muffled, it's hard for me to make out some of the conversation.
Sweetashanni 3 years ago
Knives
confusedsay 3 years ago 2
I agree Judginu there is way more important.evidence than finding knifes.like when he says he went in to the woods only after he picks up Pam then a few mins later says he went in the woods then left to go get Pam from work.Hmmm and the hair in the laces found that tied the boys up him an David's ? Hmmm
deedeejenkins 3 years ago 3
Thank God none of you are investigators, we would all be done for it. LEARN PEOPLE!!
Judginu 3 years ago 3
@Judginu I'm glad there's someone else here with some common sense! ...."he moved his foot!" "he waited 3 seconds before answering!" "his voice sounds different than it did 2 minutes ago!" HE MUST BE GULTY!!!!!!.... Geez, people. You're acting like the same people that put the WM3 in jail with no evidence.
paulamc1977 1 year ago
He "found" two of the knives in the street. Strange--I'm as old as him, but have yet to ever find a knife in the street, never mind 2.
tommy282828 3 years ago
I thought that was strange too.
jcoverload 3 years ago
At 8:32 he wipes at his eye after being asked if Stevie ever had a knife. A classic `tell' that he is lying.
louielovett 4 years ago 2
he does this exact thing after being asked if he kept any of stevies belongings beginng with a big exhale.
bigTrhodes 3 years ago
cmon
webwiz86 4 years ago
?? He "found" two of the knives in the street. Strange--I'm as old as him, but have yet to ever find a knife in the street, never mind 2.
There is a 7 second pause after being asked whether Stevie ever owned a knife. Seven seconds. And notice the voice stress (audible) when talking about it.
JunkInTruck 4 years ago
I think it really depends where you live. I'm 24 and I've found knives before.
Nibbbling 4 years ago
I found a huge switchblade when I was 7 years old...and I didn't live in hickville usa.
kittenshateyou 2 years ago
Kittens -- the issue is that Stevie's mom said that Stevie ALWAYS had that pocket knife with him -- ALWAYS. He was a boy scout and so proud of having gone through knife safety class that he always carried it. ALWAYS. Then it's missing when he's killed ..... then it turns up in Hobbs' drawer.
That alone isn't enuf to convict TH, but it's a piece in a jigsaw puzzle that comes together pretty well (previous history of violence, bad timeline on 5/5/93, his hair & his friend's at the scene...)
EsqDave 2 years ago 5
I hear what you're saying but Pam was a mess of a human being. I don't think she's a very credible person. Also kids lose stuff all the time...that knife could have been sitting around the house...who knows. I agree Hobbs is suspicious I always thought in the Paradise lost documetaries he never looked distraught with grief...he looked nervous! I really do hope someone figures this out. I was happy to see after all these years that something/someone was being questioned by the authorities.
kittenshateyou 2 years ago
also one more thing however guilty or not guilty hobbs really is, Byers was in on this I have always thought that. I can see him turning into an absolute uncontrollable monster. To me He was the biggest suspect.
kittenshateyou 2 years ago 3
I don't agree Byers was involved. Check out my You Tube videos; I've met him and hung out with him. He's whacky, but not a killer.
From what I've heard from people that knew her in 93 - Pam wasn't bad until after 5/5/93.
There's an excellent Yuku discussion on the WM3. I can't put the full link here or You Tube will reject the comment as spam, but remove the spaces from:
h t t p :// westmemphisthreediscussion .yuku. com / forum / view/id/ 5
or Google WM3 Yuku
EsqDave 2 years ago
Right and Christopher Byers was supposed to have been wearing some sort of bracelet thing that was no longer on him at the time of the murders. Please remember that no blood was found on any of the clothing and yet they were beaten quite badly. Also, two pairs of the boys underwear were never recovered. Witnesses stated in depositions found within the exhibits of Hobbs vs Pasdar that Hobbs washed tons of laundry the night the boys went missing - including curtains and other things.
322melissa 2 years ago 6
Note the long silence after the cop asks him if Stevie ever carried a knife!
BigTedK 4 years ago 3