Yes, Carle is there, but Morrow's foot/leg is interfering with Nabokov too. Morrow isn't even stopping in a conventional manner. When you stop with your left foot forward, you use inner edge of your left skate and your outer edge of your right skate. Morrow was trying to stop with the INNER edge of his right skate and his skate was moving forward. That's a kicking motion.
Wow, Dallas fans, how much clearer do you want it? His foot is moving forward. The puck is pushed by his foot into the net. That is a kick by definition. Intent is not included here. It was an excellent call, and I say that without bias.
I'm neither a fan of the sharks or stars as you can clearly see by my screen name, but that should have been called a goal. I reviewed this video 10 times already and he clearly didn't kick it in nore was he looking down while the puck hit his skate. No i understand shark fans defending this no goal, which any diehard fan would do, hell I would to, but the Sharks got away with one on that goal.
It wouldn't be interference with Carle nudging Morrow from behind before contact. and someone wanted to talk about the no-call of unsportsmanlike conduct on morrow? what about the no call of Rivet's OBVIOUS crosscheck on the second 'no goal'?
The 1st disallowed goal was called for 2 reasons; 1. Morrow drag this foot to the net and caused the puck to go in. 2. He clearly interfered with Nabby.
The 2nd disallowed goal was called because he used his hand to redirect the puck into the net. Besides even Morrow knew that the goal wouldn't count so I don't know why u guys r bitching about and u still had a 2 goal lead and u still blew it. SO STOP BITCHING.
Great move Stars fans. Instead of blaming your team for blowing 2 goal lead in the 3rd period and not even showing up in OT, no, u use the classic BITCH move and blame ur loss on the refs. Very good sportsmanship. I hope u lose the series. Just to c how u'll gonna blame the system.
Put the video in slow-motion from 3 to 7 and you'll see that the puck actually bounced off of either Nabokov or Carle and went onto Morrow's skate. Then look at where Morrow's head is at the exact same time it bounces off the SJ player..He's looking at the net. He must have amazing intuition to not only be going at that fast a speed but to know a puck going that fast will hit the other guy, go right to his skate, and time it perfectly to where he kicks it in, all while not even looking!
a side kick is still a kick. I can kick straight and i kick side ways. The punch was still in a motion of a kick which in turn knocked the puck in.
also was the puck going right in to turcos glove b4 cheecho touched it? Cuz nabakov's pad is straight on the ground... and is then lifted up when it makes contact with morrows leg.
arlgith being a stars fan i didnt like the call, but i can easily understand why it was ruled no goal, he didnt try to kick it in, but his foot was moving to the goal and helped knock the puck in, its a no goal, cant just keep complaining about it, lets just win the next game, we still have the advantage
This was such a bullshit call. Dallas should have won that game. There was no kicking motion at all. All there was was a stopping motion. IF he hadn't, he would have plowed into someone or the net. Such a stupid bullshit call
2. How did Morrow not get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty? He was flipping his hand, he kicked the puck away from the faceoff dot all the way down the ice after this "goal," and after the second one that was disallowed he jabbed at the puck with his stick in an attempt to do the same thing again WHILE the official was reaching down to pick it up (again, it was already set on the faceoff dot).
Morrow's conduct was despicable and a terrible example to set for young hockey fans in the audience
HAHAHA you want despicable?...here it is..the NHL. i am a non partisan figure in this argument...just like all the commentators on versus last night...and that was a goal..it embarrasses me to love hockey at times when the nhl has goal judge make a decision like that and then have a laugh about it. im surprise morrow didnt do more on the ice..since it's being treated like a circus from one side.
there was another player involved. watch it again..i thought it would be waved off for that...and it would honestly make me feel better about the people judging it if that was their reasoning...it's way more plausible.
His skate going into the crease and pushing Nabokov's pad isn't "goalie interference." If it was, then Cheechoo had a goal that didn't count because he pushed Turco's glove with his stick. And please enlighten me as to how that was a kick. It bounced off his skate and went in, and his leg was going forward to begin with! Like Daryl Reaugh said, that's called "kinetic motion" not "kicking". He never even saw the puck, his head was looking towards the net.
1. I'm a sharks fan but I agree he didn't kick it in, HOWEVER, am I the only one who noticed (I was at the game and noticed it the first time round too) that he's standing IN THE CREASE and running into Nabokov's pad when he scores. It's a no-goal for goaltender interference, kick or no.
Sure. I mean, if I'm a ref, and the puck is sitting in the crease, and I'm in the corner way far away from the play, I'm going to blindly blow the whistle on the assumption that Turco covered the puck while flat-backing less than one second from the Thorton shot. Oops, I guess it's easy to loose sight of the puck when it's in the net.
THAT'S actually his job. As idiotic as it sounds, he basically has to blow the whistle once it's in the crease and he loses sight of it. if he thinks it's covered then he's not going to stand there and wait 20 minutes. it's stupid but it's no reason to take away a goal from Dallas that obviously wasn't kicked. "Benefit of the doubt"? There was NO doubt he didn't kick it, they just screwed the game.
I think this was a make-up call because of the missed goal the sharks scored in game 3--the game winning goal that was disalowed because the ref "lost sight of the puck." It's nice to see the sharks get the benefit of the calls once and a while--we sure didn't in the calgary series.
You don't have "makup calls" in the playoffs. If it's a fucking goal it's a fucking goal. The ref blew the whistle on SJ's because he lost sight of the puck, but that doesn't mean you go ahead and take away a clear Dallas goal just because you made a mistake 2 games ago. If that's how referees operate, then that's a clear sign they're all brain-dead.
When it's been proven that corruption exists among NBA officials, why would it not exist in the NHL, or any pro sports? A business is a business, in it to make money. A longer series means more games, more money. The league's influence on the officials AND VS and ESPN commentators is hilariously transparent.
brendan morrow is so funny wit the hand gesture! lol!
Sportsfan235 3 years ago
Yes, Carle is there, but Morrow's foot/leg is interfering with Nabokov too. Morrow isn't even stopping in a conventional manner. When you stop with your left foot forward, you use inner edge of your left skate and your outer edge of your right skate. Morrow was trying to stop with the INNER edge of his right skate and his skate was moving forward. That's a kicking motion.
cjl182 3 years ago
moot
netjunkie9 3 years ago
Shut up ineffablejeff. just because some sharks believe its a goal doesnt mean that all fans believe that. i no, i'm a sharks fan.
bariberhane 3 years ago
Wow, Dallas fans, how much clearer do you want it? His foot is moving forward. The puck is pushed by his foot into the net. That is a kick by definition. Intent is not included here. It was an excellent call, and I say that without bias.
NightHawk11and81 3 years ago
I'm neither a fan of the sharks or stars as you can clearly see by my screen name, but that should have been called a goal. I reviewed this video 10 times already and he clearly didn't kick it in nore was he looking down while the puck hit his skate. No i understand shark fans defending this no goal, which any diehard fan would do, hell I would to, but the Sharks got away with one on that goal.
SteelCity1981 3 years ago
It wouldn't be interference with Carle nudging Morrow from behind before contact. and someone wanted to talk about the no-call of unsportsmanlike conduct on morrow? what about the no call of Rivet's OBVIOUS crosscheck on the second 'no goal'?
hahasweeneyhaha 3 years ago
The 1st disallowed goal was called for 2 reasons; 1. Morrow drag this foot to the net and caused the puck to go in. 2. He clearly interfered with Nabby.
The 2nd disallowed goal was called because he used his hand to redirect the puck into the net. Besides even Morrow knew that the goal wouldn't count so I don't know why u guys r bitching about and u still had a 2 goal lead and u still blew it. SO STOP BITCHING.
bariberhane 3 years ago
Great move Stars fans. Instead of blaming your team for blowing 2 goal lead in the 3rd period and not even showing up in OT, no, u use the classic BITCH move and blame ur loss on the refs. Very good sportsmanship. I hope u lose the series. Just to c how u'll gonna blame the system.
bariberhane 3 years ago
You can argue the "distinct kicking motion" all you want, but the goal shouldn't have counted anyway because of goalie interference.
cjl182 3 years ago
Put the video in slow-motion from 3 to 7 and you'll see that the puck actually bounced off of either Nabokov or Carle and went onto Morrow's skate. Then look at where Morrow's head is at the exact same time it bounces off the SJ player..He's looking at the net. He must have amazing intuition to not only be going at that fast a speed but to know a puck going that fast will hit the other guy, go right to his skate, and time it perfectly to where he kicks it in, all while not even looking!
quotemeonthat 3 years ago
no it didn't, stfu
leetbarker 3 years ago
a side kick is still a kick. I can kick straight and i kick side ways. The punch was still in a motion of a kick which in turn knocked the puck in.
also was the puck going right in to turcos glove b4 cheecho touched it? Cuz nabakov's pad is straight on the ground... and is then lifted up when it makes contact with morrows leg.
Altarir 3 years ago
arlgith being a stars fan i didnt like the call, but i can easily understand why it was ruled no goal, he didnt try to kick it in, but his foot was moving to the goal and helped knock the puck in, its a no goal, cant just keep complaining about it, lets just win the next game, we still have the advantage
thesponge8 3 years ago
This was such a bullshit call. Dallas should have won that game. There was no kicking motion at all. All there was was a stopping motion. IF he hadn't, he would have plowed into someone or the net. Such a stupid bullshit call
fsmetal 3 years ago
2. How did Morrow not get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty? He was flipping his hand, he kicked the puck away from the faceoff dot all the way down the ice after this "goal," and after the second one that was disallowed he jabbed at the puck with his stick in an attempt to do the same thing again WHILE the official was reaching down to pick it up (again, it was already set on the faceoff dot).
Morrow's conduct was despicable and a terrible example to set for young hockey fans in the audience
Silmaril89 3 years ago
HAHAHA you want despicable?...here it is..the NHL. i am a non partisan figure in this argument...just like all the commentators on versus last night...and that was a goal..it embarrasses me to love hockey at times when the nhl has goal judge make a decision like that and then have a laugh about it. im surprise morrow didnt do more on the ice..since it's being treated like a circus from one side.
shage2008 3 years ago
It was a kick. read the rulebook.
Also it shoudla not been a goal anyway it was obviously goalie interferance. Look at nabakovs leg. Its shifted out of postion once it hits morrow's.
Altarir 3 years ago
there was another player involved. watch it again..i thought it would be waved off for that...and it would honestly make me feel better about the people judging it if that was their reasoning...it's way more plausible.
shage2008 3 years ago
His skate going into the crease and pushing Nabokov's pad isn't "goalie interference." If it was, then Cheechoo had a goal that didn't count because he pushed Turco's glove with his stick. And please enlighten me as to how that was a kick. It bounced off his skate and went in, and his leg was going forward to begin with! Like Daryl Reaugh said, that's called "kinetic motion" not "kicking". He never even saw the puck, his head was looking towards the net.
quotemeonthat 3 years ago
Two things:
1. I'm a sharks fan but I agree he didn't kick it in, HOWEVER, am I the only one who noticed (I was at the game and noticed it the first time round too) that he's standing IN THE CREASE and running into Nabokov's pad when he scores. It's a no-goal for goaltender interference, kick or no.
Silmaril89 3 years ago
That call was horseshit, but Dallas still blew a 2-0 lead.
leetbarker 3 years ago
maybe you don't remember when the ref 'blew the whistle' after 'losing sight of the puck'?
there's a huge difference between that call, which was whistled dead, and an outrageous call made by Toronto.
hahasweeneyhaha 3 years ago
Sure. I mean, if I'm a ref, and the puck is sitting in the crease, and I'm in the corner way far away from the play, I'm going to blindly blow the whistle on the assumption that Turco covered the puck while flat-backing less than one second from the Thorton shot. Oops, I guess it's easy to loose sight of the puck when it's in the net.
svstsquaddy 3 years ago
THAT'S actually his job. As idiotic as it sounds, he basically has to blow the whistle once it's in the crease and he loses sight of it. if he thinks it's covered then he's not going to stand there and wait 20 minutes. it's stupid but it's no reason to take away a goal from Dallas that obviously wasn't kicked. "Benefit of the doubt"? There was NO doubt he didn't kick it, they just screwed the game.
quotemeonthat 3 years ago
I think this was a make-up call because of the missed goal the sharks scored in game 3--the game winning goal that was disalowed because the ref "lost sight of the puck." It's nice to see the sharks get the benefit of the calls once and a while--we sure didn't in the calgary series.
svstsquaddy 3 years ago
You don't have "makup calls" in the playoffs. If it's a fucking goal it's a fucking goal. The ref blew the whistle on SJ's because he lost sight of the puck, but that doesn't mean you go ahead and take away a clear Dallas goal just because you made a mistake 2 games ago. If that's how referees operate, then that's a clear sign they're all brain-dead.
quotemeonthat 3 years ago 2
When it's been proven that corruption exists among NBA officials, why would it not exist in the NHL, or any pro sports? A business is a business, in it to make money. A longer series means more games, more money. The league's influence on the officials AND VS and ESPN commentators is hilariously transparent.
dallasbelfour 3 years ago
Complete Effing BS. Toronto wants to see the SJ-Detroit conference final.
JMarshelMc 3 years ago 2
if there is a det-sj final it wont last long..sj has put up a shitty performance this year in the post season. the stars have a better chance.
shage2008 3 years ago