the direction of that ude-garami was illegal. the only way you can apply a shoulder lock in judo in which it is legal is if your opponent is on his back with his arm out making an 'L' shape, rather than a inverted 'L' shape, as shown in this video.
@Grove2000 This technique is perfectly legal. The 'L' shape isn't the most efficient way to apply ude-garami, you should bring uke elbow as close as possible to his body in a 'V' shape. Ude-garami includes two techniques known in BJJ as Kimura (the one done here) and americana (the 'L' shaped you've mentioned). I've seen that you're not shodan yet, and your mistake is acceptable. Consult book Armlocks - Judo Masterclass Techniques - by Neil Adams pages 51 to 54, or a competent sensei.
@Grove2000 Sorry if I've sounded a little harsh! It's late here! A very nice place to meet me and other Judoka and discuss these kind of questions, techniques... is the judoforum (judoforumDOTcom), you can reach me there with the same nick "loudenvier". If you ask this same question there I will be more than happy to provide you with scans from the books, and other sources. You can even do udegarami with your legs (BJJ omoplata) and that is legal too - Kashiwazaki sensei was fond of it!
Nice!! we do lot of newaza randori at my judo club. its good so if i only score wazari with a throw then im better prepared to end the fight on the ground rather than fail and maybe my opponents throws me for ippon when we stand back up.
No. And Kimura is just the Brazilian name for the judo technique called Ude-Garami (arm entanglement) that Masahiko KIMURA used to break Helio's Gracie arm. This is called Kimura in BJJ in honor of one of the (if not the) greatest Judoka of all time Masahiko Kimura. There's a catch: Judo give name to principles of applications, not to specific variations, so ude-garami can be done in two directions, so it includes the Kimura and the Americana/Arm-bar of BJJ. Keep training!
I heard that kimura kept on using his new inverted ude garami in the kodokan and Kano kicked him out. i got told not to go for it in competition because it is a shoulder lock and judo only allows chokes/arm locks.
It might have been because i did it while he was in my guard so it was on the shoulder but was yours on the elbow joint?
It hurts both the shoulder and the elbow. Correctly applying it (the most painful way) will make the elbow snap before the shoulder in a person without a compromised shoulder. Anyway, Kimura was never expelled from the Kodokan because of that. Kimura had trouble with the Kodokan for other reasons, but not that (e.g: he didn't give back the champion flag after winning it 3 or 4 times in a row...)
I can't tell you for sure: Pedro has been doing Judo probably more than 10 years, and he never did BJJ. André is probably doing BJJ and Judo for more than 10 years too, focusing equally in both arts!
André only advised Pedro that Pedro had put himself in a very fragile position because with that extent leg he had no balance backwards... But then, after bringing the leg back Pedro forgot to keep the weight low and André sweeped him forwards... André is the gentlest person you will ever met, he may be training fiercely with you and whenever he spotted a grave error on your part he will warn you instead of submitting you right away!
the direction of that ude-garami was illegal. the only way you can apply a shoulder lock in judo in which it is legal is if your opponent is on his back with his arm out making an 'L' shape, rather than a inverted 'L' shape, as shown in this video.
Grove2000 8 months ago
@Grove2000 This technique is perfectly legal. The 'L' shape isn't the most efficient way to apply ude-garami, you should bring uke elbow as close as possible to his body in a 'V' shape. Ude-garami includes two techniques known in BJJ as Kimura (the one done here) and americana (the 'L' shaped you've mentioned). I've seen that you're not shodan yet, and your mistake is acceptable. Consult book Armlocks - Judo Masterclass Techniques - by Neil Adams pages 51 to 54, or a competent sensei.
loudenvier 8 months ago
@Grove2000 Sorry if I've sounded a little harsh! It's late here! A very nice place to meet me and other Judoka and discuss these kind of questions, techniques... is the judoforum (judoforumDOTcom), you can reach me there with the same nick "loudenvier". If you ask this same question there I will be more than happy to provide you with scans from the books, and other sources. You can even do udegarami with your legs (BJJ omoplata) and that is legal too - Kashiwazaki sensei was fond of it!
loudenvier 8 months ago
gracias por subirlo todo lindo saludos les envio de chile
mazquechato 11 months ago
"Roll'im over bra! Roll him!!!!!, come on ROLL HIM"
electronikita 1 year ago
absolutely brilliant judo are very competent on the ground as well as standing i think a good jodoka would do well against a bjj fighter i think
m419s 1 year ago
Nice!! we do lot of newaza randori at my judo club. its good so if i only score wazari with a throw then im better prepared to end the fight on the ground rather than fail and maybe my opponents throws me for ippon when we stand back up.
tyebo87 1 year ago
Isn't a kimura illegal in judo?
GinZen1 2 years ago
No. And Kimura is just the Brazilian name for the judo technique called Ude-Garami (arm entanglement) that Masahiko KIMURA used to break Helio's Gracie arm. This is called Kimura in BJJ in honor of one of the (if not the) greatest Judoka of all time Masahiko Kimura. There's a catch: Judo give name to principles of applications, not to specific variations, so ude-garami can be done in two directions, so it includes the Kimura and the Americana/Arm-bar of BJJ. Keep training!
loudenvier 2 years ago 2
I heard that kimura kept on using his new inverted ude garami in the kodokan and Kano kicked him out. i got told not to go for it in competition because it is a shoulder lock and judo only allows chokes/arm locks.
It might have been because i did it while he was in my guard so it was on the shoulder but was yours on the elbow joint?
GinZen1 2 years ago
It hurts both the shoulder and the elbow. Correctly applying it (the most painful way) will make the elbow snap before the shoulder in a person without a compromised shoulder. Anyway, Kimura was never expelled from the Kodokan because of that. Kimura had trouble with the Kodokan for other reasons, but not that (e.g: he didn't give back the champion flag after winning it 3 or 4 times in a row...)
loudenvier 2 years ago
@loudenvier
He had also troubles for going into pro wrestling, but that was a long time after Kano's death.
RodrigoCabanillas 1 year ago
Awsome randori
FuckingBoozer 2 years ago
Very nice video. Good randori.
droman30 3 years ago
O i forgot.
Can you tell me please how long have they being training judo or maybe bjj.
Thanks
fairplaynow 3 years ago
I can't tell you for sure: Pedro has been doing Judo probably more than 10 years, and he never did BJJ. André is probably doing BJJ and Judo for more than 10 years too, focusing equally in both arts!
loudenvier 3 years ago
what happened at 1:23. Was that a tap from andre?
fairplaynow 3 years ago
André only advised Pedro that Pedro had put himself in a very fragile position because with that extent leg he had no balance backwards... But then, after bringing the leg back Pedro forgot to keep the weight low and André sweeped him forwards... André is the gentlest person you will ever met, he may be training fiercely with you and whenever he spotted a grave error on your part he will warn you instead of submitting you right away!
loudenvier 3 years ago
its a very cool fight! Wish I was like these guys! But if I do it, I'll just die trying... :-(
grapewine1977 3 years ago
very nice ne waza fight
judoguy307 3 years ago
muito técnico trabalho de solo!
albuquerquerj 4 years ago
nice
jimmcom 4 years ago
excellent Newaza!
jf1gd2 4 years ago
Belo newaza!!!
ska4fun 4 years ago
Thanks!
loudenvier 4 years ago