penn and teller bullshit Animal Brutality 00

[stuntmanmike37]

This episode is making me hungry. 

[lethalkittens]

People

Eat

Tasty

Animals?

[185tiff]

i have an ancestor who owned slaves!

[elliottsmithrip]

press slut lol

[TheEagerMcBeaver]

@elliottsmithrip where???

[Mysterious0Bob]

The title of the video is... fucking wierd. PETA is bullshit, not animal cruelty.

[misspinkpunkykat]

Because if Peta didn't use "shock tactics", people simply would not care. And why are humans so much more important than animals?

[amadeusetnunc]

Even eating only plants is taking life. I think animals should be treated correctly and honestly all life should be respected and vauled . Don't mean you shouldn't eat meat just not over kill , or abuse animals or human........ for humans are animals

[iz2sicc]

@amadeusetnunc But if I beat a baby panda senseless with a club, it makes the meat more tender. Otherwise, I would have to fry panda tenders and well... I prefer my baby panda meat broiled like a proper filet, not fried like a walrus.

[marcus8374]

If we wanted to exterminate the cows we could have done it a long time ago.

[mechanoid2k]

don't kill animals -> animals destroy crops -> no fruits and veggies for vegans

QED

[pacguy19]

PETA should stand for People who Eat Tasty Animals, because not mass-breeding animals for their meat would cause them to go extinct, and we certainly wouldn't want that.

[kirafaye]

Two wrongs do not make a right. I am all for treating animals better, and would happily pay for more ethical animal meat. I like meat and wouldn't go vegetarian, but do believe it can be done humanely and happy to pay for it.

[Smennyboy]

PETA, fucking crazy people.

[SCAREDBANANA]

I´m getting hungry watching this show.

[Hermy1138]

Oh, what a relieve when Penn admitted it was a cheap-shot with the Hitler footage.

[videopunk10]

Why are those chickens pecking at those chicken breasts? Are we sure they're pecking at the bread crumbs or are those chickens cannibals?

Well then again chickens are the only direct, living descendants of T-Rex.

[guineapiggyman]

say what u want, but my piggies are WAY happier with me, then theyd EVER BE in the wild. they are the best guys in the world :)

[guineapiggyman]

how about maybe naming the video what the actual episode was named, so as to not make it look like your saying that animal abuse is bullshit....?

[TheSRalston]

Was that Teller cursing, at the beginning?

[nallenthepuh]

@TheSRalston Yes he was, if you search on youtube you can find interviews with him actually talkning :P

[xxOhSoNaughtyxx]

PETA - people eating tasty animals 

[ivajdavis]

lol the chicken its eating chicken at 9:57

[AtheistCranberry]

Peta pisses me off to no end. They are the most unethical, immoral, and ignorant sons of bitches that ever formed a group!

[DeathShooterZ]

Lol I just found out something fucking funny! I bet you fucking 100 bucks that some of the people that are against animal cruelty and who are against people killing dogs/cats if not adopted are people who don't even own a pet! Or don't want to adopt a pet! Fuck,they should encourage adoption,NOT SCREAMING ON MEGAPHONES TO STOP KILLING DOGS/CATS!

[mphello]

@mphello modelling. It is easy just to sit and philosophize.

That is why I don't put you into the same category as other real humans, who can do mathematical modelling.

I put you and your kind into the same category as cows, pigs, chickens, cockroaches

and hence have my own algorithms of how to treat one over the other, to compute the global optimal utility function.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello Say, just to satisfy someone's curiosity, would you mind sharing your complex, mathematical, algorithms for judging others and computing global optimal unity function?

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

Let's start with the 1 billion people who do NOT live in abject poverty. That would include the top 0.1% wealth-owners (not earners) that own 99.9% of the wealth (we've all heard that meme before, which is pretty well accepted as true - I've not heard anyone dispute that). But, I'm not talking just about them, but about the top 1/7 (the top 10^9) in terms of quality of life.

They can go vegan, and 1 billion cows, pigs, chickens would not be killed, because

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva they would not be brought into existence in the first place.

So the sum total of those particular 10^9 human's utility functions (again, we're not talking about eskimoes here who have to hunt for sea lions) plus the 10^9 non-humans' utility functions is MUCH higher if that particular set of 10^9 humans goes vegan than if they don't.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello Hmm... I see.... You've clearly put quite a bit of thought into this, and I honestly commend you for that. Allow me to clear something up: I don't hate vegetarians in the slightest. I understand the health benefits, and the favorable affects it can have on an area. It's simply a life style I choose not to follow. I don't hate your opinions, and I further respect the fact that you've argued as long as you have.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello Few people put so much dedication into what they believe in. I still don't agree with your ideals, but for all intents and purposes, please keep on doing what you're doing. Just realize that not everyone has to live the way you see fit. Whether you call it murder or just business doesn't change what humans do to other animals. I just happen to like eating meat. Learn to accept that, because I've accepted your say of life from the start. That should be a good enough note to end on.

[thebestusernameeva]

By the way, I'm sure the average viewer is just LOOOVING this argument! :D

[xena91388]

The chickens were eating chicken!!! D:

[mphello]

Penn and Teller themselves are full of bullshit. They are not the final arbiters of truth.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello They never claim to be. They know that they're biased, and that they go into these issues with a bias. However, they're always honest about it, and they try their best to side only with the facts. Consider that they support atheism, scientific skepticism, and libertarianism. These are the things that shows like "Bullshit" are about; they're not what can please the underground.

[thebestusernameeva]

@thebestusernameeva correction: they're not *about* what can please the underground.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

Same with PETA. PETA does not claim to be unbiased. If PETA's stated goal is to take the side of non-human animals, then it is stupid to complain and expect otherwise, if no single PETA member agrees with all its organizations' goals. No different than any other organization. PETA gives desperately needed balance to media that is biased with 12 trillion pro-meat commercials every day.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello PETA proclaims itself as ethical and benevolent, but many of their practices say otherwise. It ultimately fails to see the harshness of its supposed "ethical" ways, justifying them with hyper-exaggerated images and claims regarding those it opposes. I personally don't like PETA, but I still see both sides of the argument. However, if it's the people who eat meat that trouble you, than that's something else entirely.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

"but many of their practices say otherwise" BULLSHIT. You're just making up unsubstantiated BS claims.

How many cats and dogs does PETA BREED, forcing MILLIONS more dogs and cats unnecessarily into shelters who are then FORCED to choose between letting them STARVE versus killing them humanely?

Huh?

ZERO. So, you got ZERO to complain about PETA.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello That's literally not even the tip of the ice berg. PETA would sooner see those cats and dogs immediately released from shelters: probably the safest place could be at, given most of their situations. What you fail to realize is that animal shelters are often under-funded and under-staffed, yet they offer the most humane alternative to suffering on the street. If PETA wanted to help, they would fund local shelters. Again, this isn't even the tip, but I have plenty reason to complain.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

And if YOU really wanted to help, then you would fund PETA, so PETA could fund those shelters.

And you would also go vegan. And give up fur. How will those shelters for cats and dogs help the BILLIONS of chickens, pigs, and cows murdered in factory farms each year?

PETA is up against so many battles, but ungrateful assholes have the nerve to complain about PETA not doing enough.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello If I wanted to help I would personally fund those shelters myself. PETA has its redeeming factors, I won't doubt that, but its negatives -in my opinion at least- outweigh the positives. If I'm going to fund any kind of animal-helping organization, it'll be a humane society, like the SPCA. I don't have a problem with PETA's dedication, I just can't support an organization that has been known to collaborate with a known arsonist.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello Furthermore, Animals eating other animals has been a natural part of life since the dawn of life itself. I'm not necessarily against vegans, it's just a lifestyle I choose to reject personally. Killing animals is always unfortunate, and processing them into something edible is never a pretty sight, but these aren't moral things. I can't start being picky with what I eat simply because the pig is cute. You can't push your personal judgements and morals onto something that isn't you.

[thebestusernameeva]

@thebestusernameeva I can obviously see that you'll stick to your guns as strongly as I have. To say the least, I had fun arguing with you, and will happily reply if you want to do it again. For the time being, though, stop trying to preach to the fucking converted!!! :D

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

Prisons were never natural or a part of life on earth since the dawn of time,

yet I don't hear you up in arms to demand the release of all human prisoners.

Why? Because you are selfish, care only about yourself, can get away with laws that are in your favor that imprison others but not you, and therefore are hypocritical if someone were to shove YOU in prison for eating meat, which I DO support.

NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with cuteness.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello Prisons came out of necessity; we needed a place to hide away dangerous people. Vegans came out of righteousness; a belief that we should not be eating meat, despite having done so for roughly the past 2.4 million years. I'm not going to say you should act a certain way, or tell you what you should believe in. I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of choice.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

That is YOUR opinion that they are dangerous. They believe they do net good.

Vegans came out of basic logic: the amount of pain caused to the animal far outweighs the slight discomfort of you eating something else.

There is ZERO proof for ANY of your worthless and unprovable claims about where things "came out of",

as NOTHING can be proven about psychology.

But there IS proof of cause and effect of choices.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

You are absolutely fanatically bound by your categories of "this is veganism" and "this is law" and "this is choice" rather than the fact that ALL laws are nothing BUT choices.

You are not focussing on global utility functions of all players - both human and non-human - both prisoners and non-prisoners - who is lucky enough to have laws their way vs those not.

Why? Because that requires superior mathematical minds and actual hard work: hard mathematical

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

= I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of choice =

That's a lie. No, you don't. Unless you agree that EVERY body believes in it.

I believe in it, too.

Prove that you do: support releasing every human and non-human prisoner everywhere.

I support giving all prisoners - even those for violating laws I agree with - voting rights, because it's not THEIR fault that the laws were not in their favor. That is dumb luck by whether one is in a majority or not.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello Six whole full comments? Just for me? Wow, I must've really been pushing your buttons there! :D In all seriousness though.... Actually I haven't been completely serious this whole time, I've just been passing the time. If I really wanted to be serious, you would probably be hiding in a corner, overwhelmed. Personally, I'm bored of this now, so I'll just leave you with this:

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello I realize that we are not equal, that we have conflicting views and opinions. We have separate thoughts on what freedoms are, what rights are; about what already exists, what has existed, and what may exist. I have respected your opinions, and the opinions of those you choose to represent. I may not agree with them, but at least I can understand their side of the story. I'd suggest you do the same. Jumping off the high horse and into the shoes of the common man is a great feeling.

[thebestusernameeva]

@thebestusernameeva Feel free to reply, but at lest for now, I'm done. Other people come onto this video and want to see the opinions of everyone, they don't want to see two people with far too much babble away. I may reply back to whatever it is you have to say. Until then, good day. sir! And thank you for helping me pass the time, I had a smile on the whole time we argued!

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello I don't demand we release prisoners because that would be disastrous to society at large. However, forcing people to stop eating meat goes against some of the most basic rights and freedoms. The choice to become a vegetarian was not out of necessity, but rather out of personal morality. When the majority say that eating meat is alright, then that's what you need to consider. Proper social systems are based around aiding the community, as well as the individual.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

= that would be disastrous to society at large =

That is YOUR opinion. Not the prisoners. And not for most people on the outside, either, who would be free from the threat of imprisonment. Unless you can do hardcore mathematical modelling (and if necessary computer programming) your endless philosophizing in circles in no way logically computes the consequences of all possible choices. Hence, you just brainlessly pick the status quo, because it requires no work by you.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

ALL laws go against the most "basic rights and freedoms" because ALL laws end up in prison.

If a law forbids me to curse at a judge, even though that is an INSIGNIFICANT hardship to the judge,

compared to the hardship that millions of starving Africans endure, then that forces me into prison

against my will.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

ALL things are personal judgements. The decision to outlaw child molestation is a personal judgement.

You force your personal judgement onto animals by eating them, and allowing others to do the same,

Hence, you have no right to complain if somebody does the same to you, for whatever reason they want,

whether good (to minimize total animal pain) or stupid (some assinine religious reason).

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello I guess I should've expanded on what I meant with the whole "forcing your personal judgements...." thing.  You believe I should become a vegan, that I should go to prison for eating meat. You see yourself as superior to me, and therefore feel your rights outweigh my own. Of course many laws came out of judgements towards others, but that's well beyond the point. I have every right in a free nation to go against what I want to against. Nothing you say can change that.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

I personally believe any meat-eater who advocates forcing laws on others by voting

is 1000X worse than a child molestor. They are just differences in political opinions.

If you demand I "respect" meat-eaters, then child molestors have the right to demand that you respect THEIR position on child rape, even if you don't have to agree with it.

I DISAGREE with PETA's anti-war and anti-violence policy. But, that policy is NOT unique with PETA.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello Comparing someone who eats burgers to a child molester is a vastly unfair comparison. There is no law against eating meat, nor will there ever be. Eating other animals has been a part of nature since the dawn of time; it's the reason humans have come as far as we have. I'm not demanding you respect meat eaters, nor am I expecting you to. I eat meat more often than I eat vegetables, and I believe in democracy. I'm a trust-worthy, hard working, law-abiding citizen.

[mphello]

@thebestusernameeva

But, that policy is NOT unique with PETA. I strongly disagree with that "non-violence" policy of ALL political groups, because ALL political groups and armies use force, which is what the law is.

There is NO difference between an army and a political group and a "terrorist". They ALL use force to achieve their ends. There is ONLY differences in the goals themselves.

[thebestusernameeva]

@mphello PETA is neither an army nor a political group. It's a non-profit organization built around the idea that we have no right to interact animals in a way that harms them. PETA has no justification for their actions, and a far as I'm concerned, they're just a radical group eager to stand above the crowd. Sure, governments and their respective military groups aren't always much better, but they can at least justify their use of often excessive force.

[thebestusernameeva]

@thebestusernameeva They strive to see an end to violence in the world, but at the same time they need to use force as a means of protection. You could argue that PETA is doing this, but the whole point of the organization is the supposed liberation of all animals. You don't achieve that by trying to scare people into your demands. IF PETA really wants to help, they should support animal shelters, and look to ending CRUELTY to animals. They shouldn't be fighting what can save lives.

[mphello]

I don't agree with PETA on everything, but the massive mult-trillion dollar industries they are up against means I still keep sending them money, as should everyone. None of the humane societies ever had the courage to advocate veganism or simply doing away with vivisecting on animals, like PETA had. Those societies only went for useless half-measures.

And, people have the right to have any opinion they want on the Holocaust and factory farming.

[begs100]

i got my dog from a pound! Shes great! if there wasnt places like this these animals would be dead. fuk these crazy ass peple they prob stumbled over 50 homeless people on the way to the protest!!

[lardo444]

lol, penn and teller RULE! my dog lives like a king. king MoJo. he RULES also!

peace.

[lardo444]

lol, penn and teller RULE!

peace.

[superkickass1]

overall the animal cruelty images are hard to watch...but the cow getting punched at 6:42 is pretty awesome

[SailorSaturn66631]

they want animals to stop being killed in shelters...they why don't they adopt them all and forward all the expenses for the food/care etc

[Lamapus]

Fuck Animals they tasted good and if dogs, rats ect die for cancer reserch then so be. I mean I dont want to live of carrots and fuck on its won and quaren. FUCKING HAPPIES TAKE A SHOWER

[vashthefunker]

If someone wants to stop eating meat and dedicate there lives to try to improve the quality life of animals that is totally fine to me. But PETA goes about all the wrong way. They spend more time and money on trying to make headlines than actually helping the animals. I'd be totally up for consuming meats from companies that treat animals better - if I could have an adult conversation and respected my decision to eat meat. I can't digest vegetables( digestive illness) its not an option for me.

[Eceoes]

Dave Martakso is a corporate tool. Not only he is a master of backlash, and justifies cruelty, but he also supports the tobacco industry and favors the legalization of trans fat.

[kurukururock]

"Hey, cool, Dave! He can talk!"

[Stravinsky91]

Hitler was a vegetarian and a lot of pre-nazi pan-german supporters (including Richard Wagner and Nietszche's sister) argued that all people should become vegetarians , or at least te germanic people

[Eceoes]

@Stravinsky91

That fact is still debatable. Even if Hitler was a vegetarian your argument would be a non-sequitar. Just because someone is a vegetarian does not mean they support Hitler.

[ChurchOfKali66619]

PETA

KILLS

PETS

DEAD!!!

[Sambo8000]

I haven't ate meat/fish/eggs/dairy in over 2 years and have despised PETA since my first day following a vegan diet. If judging by appearance one would never know I was a vegan by my large muscular frame. Also, in conversation one wouldn't know because I'm a free-market libertarian. Government is TOO involved in our wallets, food choices and civil liberties. Abolish The IRS, Federal Reserve, USDA, Dept of Agriculture, Patriot Act, and any other welfare/warfare monopoly.

[ChurchOfKali66619]

@Sambo8000 Good for you! The attitude, i mean, not the veganism. (Brother, it's UNNATURAL!!!)

[wildthunder009]

@Sambo8000 I can defiantly support that!

[seppukuification925]

@Sambo8000 The only comment on here that makes sense

[DarthKrattus]

@Sambo8000 I agreed with and can relate to everything you just said. Kudos.

[38MJA]

@Sambo8000 Funny, it sounds like we went vegan at about the same time and have the same political views.

[scienceatheism]

You my friend have my vote. What are you running for again?

[DixieNormas07]

@Sambo8000 Vegan and Muscular? Cool story bro tell us an other one.

[beigelycheenut]

@DixieNormas07 Even if it's true, one can attribute it to genetics that most people don't have. Or you gotta wonder how many supplements this person's on. And if the vegan diet is THE diet, then why do they have to take so many supplements to get by without deficiencies and osteoporosis? If someone wants to be vegan, power to them, but don't try to force it on me and be a dick aboot it! And yes, I buy free range and I prefer animals that get a happy life before they're harvested.

[HIMYNAMEISEVAN]

I say we let a vicious dog loose on these people. Maybe know they'll understand why some dogs must be killed, not because others want to but because they have to.

[CrazyCheeseMagee]

I don't know if Dennis Prager is the greatest authority to use. He's the same person who claimed that Congressman Keith Ellison, the first Muslim to be sworn into Congress, was threatening America by requesting to be sworn into office with a Koran. Also of note, the Koran Ellison wanted to be sworn into office with was owned by Thomas Jefferson.

[syn010110]

@CrazyCheeseMagee That sounds an awful lot like... I dunno...

... bullshit?

[803badmutha]

@CrazyCheeseMagee Also of note, Thomas Jefferson was an atheist.

[CrazyCheeseMagee]

I remember meeting someone who was a big pet owner (had 4 cats at one point) who supported PETA. She also supported ASPCA, which is understandable, but PETA states on their official website:

We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed.

I told her this, and she was incredibly incredulous and mad.

[CrazyCheeseMagee]

I tried going vegetarian for a day. Harder than I thought since animal protein and fat are much more filling than vegetable or grain products.

I could have been full with just a ham sandwich and an apple, but I had to eat 1 1/2 cooked heads of kale, a full pack of goat cheese, a can of beans, and an entire onion to get the same fullness.

And nothing quite beats hot grilled sausage with hearty peasant bread, spicy mustard, and a stein of lager. Now that's a meal! Prost!

[CoreyWhiteCollar]

Ingrid Nuker?

haha

[dunklersoldat]

I ran into a women in the mall once... she was wearing a shirt that pissed me the fuck off: Meat is Murder!

I walked up to her to berate her for being a dumbass...

then I noticed that underneath in smaller letters it said: "Tasty, Tasty Murder"

I laughed so hard.

[CriminalIntent89]

@dunklersoldat youre the idiot for attempting to insult someone for having an opinion you fuck wit

[dunklersoldat]

@CriminalIntent89 What? All I'm saying is that not wanting to eat meat is unnatural. And you can go fuck yourself hippie.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the range to sight in my rifle... always got to be ready for when the deer come onto my property.

[RattyRandnums]

@dunklersoldat Indeed most people around the world do eat meat naturally. But the amount of meat consumed in the average US diet is just as unnatural as no meat at all, and potentially much more harmful. Its all a matter of degrees not absolutes.

[dunklersoldat]

@RattyRandnums Yeah... I eat almost all meat and bread... I rarely get any veggies in. Usually if I do its in my Chinese food. :P

[CrazyCheeseMagee]

@RattyRandnums The Inuit don't eat any vegetables at all, mainly because it's too cold for plants to grow where they traditionally lived.

What we need to survive are protein and fat, both of which are found in high quantities in MEAT. Carbs (found in plant products) aren't necessary for survival, as stated above about the Inuit. But it's better to get carbs in the form of unrefined products like whole wheat bread and real sugar, the latter becoming a selling point in recent years.

[mrfrosty8172]

@RattyRandnums the average of real meat in meat in american fast food places?

thats a question i want to know

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[ImperiousViking]

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