Supercooperators: The mathematics of evolution, altruism and human behaviour

[felpaluche]

Truly a magnificent vid to watch

[MennoWitteveen]

WOAAAAAHHHWWW !!! :D

[sdrawkcabgnipytmi]

Get to the choppa!

[dontblockmedk]

"Money/market" is ROOT of problems, how do we:

1. stop corruption caused by profit motive?

2. ensure everyone has minimum necessities?

ANSWER

1. FREELY Share ALL resources & knowledge worldwide, NO more money/property

2. Use LATEST technology to create an ABUNDANCE of all our needs, NO more waste/theft

3. Automate/localize ALL production and distribution, NO more central control/wage slavery

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[Gameboob]

@dontblockmedk I don't think "money/market" is the ROOT of our problems. Its human nature, or a lack of character 95% of us don't have that allows our natural acquisitive/greedy tendencies to drive our actions. The Venus Project sounds great and all but theories usually sound better than they turn out to be. Maybe in a few centuries it will be more feasible. Better technology and citizens with more character are needed. I say start with education. That will likely have a greater influence

[dontblockmedk]

@Ga Please remember that love, compassion and sharing are also human nature and way more powerful than selfishness and greed, without the negative effects.

The real point is BEHAVIOR is determined by environment. 'free market' requires greed and corruption to function. In a system of ABUNDANCE those bad behaviors become OBSOLETE because they provide no benefit? ie when all are fed no one steals food.

Sharing, cooperation is the only prosperous future, also the most practical and natural.

[VenusProjectFTW]

@Gameboob I agree-ish. I think that if we have a global crises in this generation (which we might given the state of the economy) then it will take another generation (or less) to change the way we think if people got in a similar mindset as the Venus Project. I know that this is a lot of ifs but I believe it is possible that some people alive today could live in a world where we work cooperatively towards the benefit of mankind. ps Capitalism is very inefficient. Sorry, I just had to say it ;)

[surlyotter]

@dontblockmedk good luck with that.

[carnatu666]

@functionalist972 Hello, you must be Captain Obvious!

[Rosbif86]

Chairman is clearly out of his depth.

[danndan6]

charles darwin was the first person to come up with the idea that all life on earth is related and come from the same source???? are you fucking nuts???!!!??? what about the bible? darwin lead to eugenics which rejects the idea of the shared kinship of man whilst the bible said that all men are created equal.

[gnu11111]

@danndan6 it's not so much that "all men are equal" but that all life on this planet has developed from the same one single cell. Darwin was the first to discover that, when everyone around him still thought the earth was 6500 years old and dinosaurs never existed.

[skysteiner]

@danndan6 woah there... back up. don't attribute great scientific discoveries to the bible. darwin said ALL LIFE came from the same origin. the bible said ALL HUMANS came from the same two humans with seperate origins from other speices. darwin said desent with modification and natural selection. the bible just implies incest. also, darwin did not lead to eugenics. racist maniacs led to eugenics much like the maniac christians that tried to kill anyone not christian long before darwin existed.

[2bsirius]

I finished reading Martin Nowak's book, Super Cooperators, a week ago. It was a real eye opener. I know that Dawkins has been fairly critical of Nowak's new theory of the value of super cooperation, BUT the scientific data seem to be with Nowak.

EXCELLENT video! Thanks for uploading it.

[roidroid]

25:49 >"Greece & Arab world, they punished people who cooperated."

what the fuck!

[roidroid]

pink ties seem very popular these days.

(behold guy on right)

[ukchill1]

it hasn't started but looking at the comments i sure am thinking you are all retards already :)

[dewinthemorning]

I have read a lot about these ideas, good to see them in a video. Science CAN be consulted as to morality, full stop.

[Dtekkarrr]

I'm confused, so the altruistic strategy was just plain superior in all circumstances over a long period of time, oor the altruistic strategy was superior in a metagame filled with other players playing predominantly 'forgiving-style tit-for-tat', or a metagame that included a mix of everything?

[danielt63]

@Dtekkarrr In an environment of imperfect information, forgiving tit-for-tat is better than straight tit-for-tat (which itself is better than selfishness.) As more players shift from tit-for-tat to forgiving tit-for-tat, it pays to be even more forgiving than anybody else, until it gets to the point that so many players are being so forgiving that being selfish is the best strategy (taking advantage of everybody's forgiveness,) and the cycle starts over again.

[Artifactorfiction]

Very good - Big overlap with 'The Selfish Gene' though Dawkins generally dislikes the Group Selection mechanism as its easily invaded by other strategys

[trulez]

In before debate about religion and evolution.

[Kojak7snap]

@trulez Actually, I prayed and the Lord revealed to me the supernatural warfare that raged well before your earthly comment. Good try, though. ;{)

[RoyalW1979]

very cool